CTP (S2EMarSpecial1) Law, Order, and Laughs: A Dystopian Conversation

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ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2EMarSpecial1) International Firebird Book Award Winner: C. C. Robinson   
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CTP (S2EMarSpecial1) Law, Order, and Laughs: A Dystopian Conversation     
CC Robinson joins us to discuss her award-winning novel "Divided" and the theme of unity through storytelling. We dive into how fiction can address contemporary societal divisions and the importance of dialogue in healing those rifts. 
• Introduction to CC Robinson, author and pastor 
• Discussion of the creative writing process and character inspiration 
• Importance of thoughtful character names and their implications 
• Recognition through literary awards and charitable initiatives 
• Insights on how stories can foster understanding in divided communities 
• Practical advice for aspiring writers looking to share their narratives 
Join CC Robinson's journey as she shares her insights and offers a free eBook for listeners. Subscribe to her newsletter for your free copy!

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• 0:00 Introduction to CTP
• 5:19 Meet CC Robinson: Author and Pastor
• 20:49 The Inspiration Behind "Divided"
• 36:33 Crafting Characters: Dreams and Intentions
• 51:03 Awards and Charity in Writing
• 1:10:48 Closing Thoughts and Where to Find CC Robinson

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ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2EMarSpecial1) International Firebird Book Award Winner: C. C. Robinson   
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CTP (S2EMarSpecial1) Law, Order, and Laughs: A Dystopian Conversation     
CC Robinson joins us to discuss her award-winning novel "Divided" and the theme of unity through storytelling. We dive into how fiction can address contemporary societal divisions and the importance of dialogue in healing those rifts. 
• Introduction to CC Robinson, author and pastor 
• Discussion of the creative writing process and character inspiration 
• Importance of thoughtful character names and their implications 
• Recognition through literary awards and charitable initiatives 
• Insights on how stories can foster understanding in divided communities 
• Practical advice for aspiring writers looking to share their narratives 
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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D   CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show 

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JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Welcome to the institutionalist politics podcast, aka CTP. I am your host Joseph M. Leonard and that L-E-N-A-R-D. CTP is your Nomus, no plus, just me, you can occasional guess type podcast. Really appreciate you tuning in.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Hello everybody, with me today is C.C. Robinson. How are you?
C.C.ROBINSON:  We are great here in Cincinnati, Ohio, buried under almost a photo snow.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, all right, since you said that, let me look at my calendar again. Yet today is Monday, January the 6th. So when they hear this, they may look out their window and say, it's 80 degrees out!
C.C.ROBINSON:  I don't think Cincinnati is going to forget this anytime soon.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Oh, at any rate, and as my audience knows, I can't pass on lame puns in wordplay. So the first thing I've got to do is ask you, your Christie Robinson, but your author name is C.C. Robinson. Yes. Are you related to Christopher Robinson at all?
C.C.ROBINSON:  I don't think so. I mean, maybe my husband's family is, but yeah, Robinson is my married name.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Ah, okay, right, right, okay, that's right. I'm asking the wrong Robinson.
C.C.ROBINSON:  And there are lots of Robinson's. Like people have asked us if we're related to a lot of Robinson's.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  But I better explain the joke in case it wouldn't pass some others in the audience too. Winnie the Pooh?
C.C.ROBINSON:  Hello. Yes. I didn't recognize that I'm just thinking.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, I've got a cold. I'm in a fog. I'm just in an app. If you just said the joke to me, it probably would have went past me because of my cold head fog, the, you know, the, see already, here we go.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Well, in my brain probably frozen. Anyway, so that's okay.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  So indeed the proverbial first question and I like to joke the cue the who song. Who are you? Right. Yes. Where were you born and raised and all that? Well, we know where you are now.
C.C.ROBINSON:  You're in a sense. Yeah. Since then, I was born on the coast of North Carolina while my dad was in the, in the military in Vietnam. So I was born on a beach area, like, you know, and I'm so not on the beach now, but my parents moved around for a little while. And then I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky. So right down the street from where I live, literally an hour and a half. And, and then met and married my husband in Nashville, Tennessee. We have three amazing kids who are all adults and all helped shovel those that foot of snow we had. And yeah, we live in Cincinnati. I'm an associate pastor at our church and I'm also the director of finance and an author. So I've been, I've written stories most of my life, but I kept them to myself or just put them in my head and left them there. And so if you see me walking around looking like I'm daydreaming, I'm probably making up a story about you. So it's okay. I will only print it if you make me really mad. And then I'll maybe make you the villain.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  But that's okay. So you're, you're a Taylor Swift type. Right.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Exactly. Right about all our exes. Yeah. I really don't do that. That's a joke. I really don't do that. I work through my grudges with Jesus, not with pen.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. And another thing I was going to get to later, but I'm going to jump ahead to now. I don't script my shows, but I do have a few notes. We just go where it goes. But so I'm going to skip ahead to what I thought I'd do later. You and I have something in common. Our lead character named Martin, although my middle name is Martin though too. Why are you turning me into a bad guy?
C.C.ROBINSON:  I'm so sorry. Oh, it's the name that came to me. So you know how that is like my characters, like other people will sit and plot and script their characters up. My characters usually appear to me in a dream and introduce themselves. And I know I sound crazy when I say that. But if I don't write enough, like Marcos, who is my main character for divided, he would come to me my dream and be like, hello, I need freedom. I'm like, are you kidding? Okay. All right. All right. All right. So yeah, that name was not just plucked out of the universe. I saw the Supreme Commander. I heard people talking about him in a dream and an all night dream. And I saw our nation after we had fought a civil war and then Martin had divided us into our racial groups, separating us behind walls, selling us. We could not get along. So he was going to separate us for our own good, but we know anytime a dictator does anything for your own good. It's really not for you. It's for him. It was all about control. And so that's where we are and divided is Martin is the big bad guy, but we don't really see him a whole lot in these first couple books. We'll get, we'll get to him later.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Right. So it is a plan series then.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Oh, we absolutely four books. I've already written to the end, so I know how it ends.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Oh, okay. Yeah. I'm glad you said they come to you in a dream because that's how my books come to me too. I like to say they are not from me. They are through me.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Exactly. Absolutely. Absolutely. I feel like God has called me to write this because our, especially our young people today need to hear a message that they're not hearing from a whole lot of other places. And that is if you don't work together and learn how to disagree without becoming disagreeable, while still working together, then our nation is going to go up and flames.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yep. And well, I'll wait a minute. Let me write myself a note. Right. I'll go down, go there next. Otherwise, I won't remember with this cold fog head. I get it. But characters. I'm glad you said that also because in my terror strikes coming soon to a city near you book, my main character, Martin, who's a good guy though. I spell an M A R T E N to make it different. So, but his wife's name was originally going to be Marina only because I knew a couple girls of Russian heritage that had that name. And they were very pleasant people. I liked them. I liked the name. I said, I was going to use it in the book someday. When the time came, I didn't like the fact that it would give that potential hint of the heritage of the character that I might not necessarily want. So I started going through the list. All right. It's a Christian book, but it's a non traditional book on terrorism, not a very traditional fluffy kind of Christian book, obviously, right? So charity. Okay. Faith, maybe. And I settled on hope because in a way, even though she's a fictional character, there's both then somewhat figurative hope as well as literal through the character name hope. And so you understand, obviously, what you're saying, the importance of the character name and what you want to put forth and what you don't accidentally want put forth.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Absolutely. And so I have a character named Harriet and she's a black American. Here you come. And immediately comes. It should. It should. It should. And I would say that she is a re. Pre fleeing her slave masters area right now. She hasn't yet found the source of her bravery or the source of her courage. But that is that is a big character arc for her over the series. She's got some stuff she needs a deal with. And I can't. I have to tease it because I can't reveal. It's not a reveal until the end of book two, which is in production now. But Harriet has some big stuff. She's got a deal with it is snuffing her courage and keeps her from really accomplishing what she's meant to accomplish. So yes, very intentionally. But again, she introduced herself to me. I didn't come up with that name. Like people say, Oh, that's two on the nose. I'm like, not my fault. Sorry. Not my fault. Well, I did come up with some of my character names. So I will say that. And I gave her mother the name of Ruth. Not only is it my oldest daughter's name. So there's a little like nod there and the biblical the biblical Ruth, you know, coming as a foreigner into that land and choosing to do something even though it was very difficult. That is Ruth's backstory, which maybe one day we will get.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. Well, when you talk about Harriet and people might say, Oh, it's too on the note. Well, there's a whole lot of people sadly don't know any history. Won't even know who the hell we were just talking about. And you know, I GW Bush, we were supposed to get Harriet Tubman to replace Wilson on the twenty dollar bill. Why has that not happened yet? I know. I put forth a we the people demand list. And on that is let's create a new bill. All right. You don't want to remove Wilson after the inflation we just went through. Seventy five dollars isn't a whole lot of money. Let's create a seventy five dollar bill put Harriet Tubman on it. But then again, there's a lot of people who do know history don't want Harriet story fully told. And that's why they block it.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah. And that's a shame because I really think that if until we choose to really not only acknowledge but deal personally with our history as a nation, then we're not going to be able to move forward. Like if you can, if you have a cut on your arm and you just go, there's no cut on my arm. There's no cut on my arm. Guess what? You know, pretty soon that cut on your arms going to be infected and that cut on your arms could turn into sepsis. So like just ignoring a wound is really not a great strategy. It's not going to be the thing that moves us forward. And I agree completely. I was so sad when that when that effort just kind of died in the water because I really think that there we need as a nation to recognize our history, confront it and then sort of deal with it in a way. And I don't know what that looks like. I've seen this and been part of it on a micro level. I lead in a diverse church and we are ethnically diverse. You come to our church and you can't really tell what's the predominant. You know, you might think it's black, but oh, there's black Africans and there's black Americans. Oh, you may think there's white, but gosh, we have some people that are that look white, but they're really like Hispanic or Asian or their complete mix. And when you're in that context, you have to learn how to reconcile racially. And so we haven't we haven't done that as a nation.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. Wow. Martin Luther King, Jr. A dream, right? And currently there's a whole lot of people screwing it up. You know, the CRT and all the crud is inserting racial division, not unity. They're the left has literally gone back to segregationism. Yes. They want to segregate black only dorms or black only graduation ceremonies and that's that diversity and inclusion. That's segregation and separation. And I by the time this show will air, we got nowhere near the first question I was expecting to have.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Sorry, I keep throwing you these like curve balls.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. But oh, now I forgot what I was going to say, but yeah, this is a great game. So by the time this airs, I will have released in January of 2025 a monologue show as well as the Liberty Beacon dot com that my Saturday shows correspond with a one called E pluribus Unum right from many one. We are the great melting pot. So don't tell me D E I I'm going to tell you E pluribus Unum. You're dealing with separation, not togetherness. We are the melting pot.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Absolutely. And I think it's interesting like Canada has more of a theory or thinking that like it's more like a stew and everyone can still have their, their flavor and everything. And there's some merit to that because I think unless we, unless we really acknowledge and celebrate different cultures, we're going to be guilty of trampling on them unintentionally maybe even. So I think we need to appreciate other cultures. We need to learn about other cultures and not just be ignorant based on in our own little bubble. And I, and just as you said, like the secretary, I think that's the problem right now is that everyone is, is kind of being forced into their groups. I was told as a white person that I can't write this book. I can't write this series. Well, that doesn't surprise me at all. And, and, but it's interesting because a lot of other writers said, well, that's preposterous. I'm not a serial killer, but yet I write serial killers. And it with enough, and writers know with enough research, you can get there. And I feel like it's that way with people too, with enough research, with enough learning, we can get to a place of understanding, which have to want to.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. Now, of course, got to put the disclaimer in things aren't perfect. Nothing is ever perfect. No one is ever perfect. If you're expecting perfect, you're delusional. But we have gotten better and we are indeed again, the most diverse and inclusive on the planet. And you have the freedom, the equality of opportunity to make of yourself. And if not for all those cultures, we wouldn't have our unique American culture. Like my, well, may as well go there now, right? My heritage mainly is Italian, German and Polish. Last name Leonard was Leonard, a wask of a ski or whatever at some time. I haven't dug far enough into the genealogy to find it out yet. Keeler on my mother's side, as well as Sylvaini Italian on my mother's side too. So, and it's okay to recognize those as long as you're not putting those above that you're an American, yes? Mm hmm.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah. And in my book, so there's several characters who are mixed race and they are not like saying, oh, you got to treat me this way because I'm X, Y, or Z. They're just who they are. And it is just part of who they are to be of a mixed ethnicity. And so there's a, an onus that we have as people of varying backgrounds to know our history, to know what, what our, you know, DNA is like, or what our ancestors did. We might have some gold there. It can be dug out, not a little bit of gold, but a figurative gold.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Right. You're leading me into the question that I was going to. Italian, Polish, German. What is your background?
C.C.ROBINSON:  So I am, I am a mutt. Is the only way to say it. Let's start north and work our way south.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  So your husband picked you up from the local humane society.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah, pretty much, pretty much. So I am on my mom's side. I've got German, Irish, Scottish, and English. My dad's side, we found out when I was already an adult that my great grandfather was full blooded Jewish, emigrated to the US in order to escape persecution in southern Germany. And then on his side, we also have a lot of English, a lot of English, a lot of Scottish. And then also Polish, which we always saw as Hungarian, but that was the Hungarian Empire. And it's really Poland now. And so my great grandmother's entire family was Polish. And so like Gulash and Keith Lee's and Poppy Seed Rolls, those are part of the currency of my growing up alongside Fala and cranberry sauce and pumpkin pie. So like you just can't, I am who I am. All that mess has made me who I am today. And I love, I love new foods. I love learning about new cultures. And I think that's part of being the child of so many different immigrants. Because they had to learn a new culture. And so I've been blessed to receive that curiosity. Right.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  And it's homage. It's not cultural appropriation. We want to pick pieces of our other cultures and pay honor to them. It's not like unless what would OK, gotta make a couple disclaimers. Right before I forget, just claim or one, the munchoke about the pound. All right. Look, it's just a joke. Just a joke. Yes, OK, but oh my God, you can't say that to a woman. I was like, what's like now? People, that was just a joke.
C.C.ROBINSON:  And I went there. So you are released from it.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Well, you know, some just so hypersensitive. And that's that's part of our problem today, too hypersensitive. But indeed, and the other thing, the other disclaimer is not this again, not perfect that to say there aren't people who are racist, overtly racist and what that. And frankly, I want them to vocalize it. I want to know who they are. I don't want them hiding in the shadows. I want to know we have First Amendment. If you want to talk ill of Jewish people or Black people or whatever, I want to know because I want nothing to do with you then.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yes, absolutely. And I think that is so important what you raise because when we try to silence people because we don't agree with their speech, all it does is drive that speech underground. And that's what happened in my book is there was a rebel movement that had that was already fighting Martin, even as he took power. But because of his control and the dictatorial nature of his rule, they went underground and literally underground. And we see that in other dictatorships now, we see that rebellion going underground. So you don't you don't snuff it out. All you do is one, make it grow because rebellion is appealing. Hello, we're human. And two is strengthen them by making it outlawed. Anything you you outlaw like that is only going to be strengthened. So I exactly I want to know if people are racist. I want to know if they have that issue because we can't deal with it unless we recognize it.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Exactly. It's you have your free speech to vocalize it as long as you're not inciting violence towards anyone or whatever. I like to joke. I I've used it on a couple of shows before. Right now I wear glasses to what for the benefit of the transcript and those on audio, I have glasses. So does our guest, C.C. Robinson. I haven't mentioned your name again in a while. So I better get that in there. Right. But hey, I can hate people with glasses all day long. You know, as long as I'm not inciting anyone to violence towards people with client that we're glasses, then that's not a problem.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah. And I think, you know, that hatred when it when it comes into the public space and you express it, you can't get mad at people then confronting you. And I see this sometimes on, especially on social media, when someone expresses an opinion and then they get upset in the comments that people are coming for them. I'm like, you open the door. So if you don't want to open that door, then you don't say it. Like, so I hear you in that. And I also think that there's and words are not violence, you know, that's not a violence. Thank you. That is that is challenge. And some people can't handle challenge. And okay. So if you if you know you're one of those who can't handle challenge and you best not open your mouth, right, not say it.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  And the people that can't handle challenge are the same ones usually that are in the category of those who warp in twist language. They can't have an honest discussion. I should keep a dictionary here so I can hold it up because I go into this a lot on many shows, right? The dictionary definitions, they can't use them. So they have to keep trying to twist them and change them so that they can vocalize something that isn't reality. They can peddle their delusion and money the water through warping of terms.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Well, you and I are both Christ followers. And so we have the same thing in common that the word of God is the foundation of truth. And, you know, if I come into the word of God and my thinking is not right, it's going to set me right. If I let it and I feel like in the same if you let it, the same thing can happen in the public space with public discourse. You know, when truth is presented, people can get offended by it, but it's still truth. And, you know, so what are you going to do? The truth offends you. I'm so sorry, but that's the truth.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, it's like the Bible. I didn't know we were going to go this road because my guests don't have to be Christian or don't have to deal in politics. You're just we haven't gotten to the award yet, which is why you're here. Well, get there next. I think we're going to go a little longer with you than I normally go, I think, because I haven't even got anything I expected to talk to you about. We have quite a bit in common. Yeah, well, it's my OCD ADHD brain. It just knew rabbit hole over here.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah. We're 88.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  We're just like, oh, yeah, well, the phone is OK. There we go. All right. The wrong phone was ringing. That was a call I didn't need to take, but I told you in the green room, I'm accepting a call that I have to take. So I didn't unplug the phone. So, but at any rate, yeah, now I've lost my train of thought. Oh, no, well, no, OK. I'm wasting and warping of the Bible. Like you said, if you let it set you right, a lot of people want to push their worldview onto Jesus and the Bible. Pick and choose a scripture like a render unto Caesar and think it's a entire governance statement. It is not. And Jesus also said the poor will always be among you. It is not a statement of economics, nor is it one of governance. It is of human nature, as you mentioned before. It's a human nature thing for thousands of thousands of years before Christ after Christ forever. Human nature, we've been given free will and there will always be some who never ever want to make anything of themselves. So the concept that you're going to eliminate poverty entirely is just idiotic. It's not biblical.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah. And I write you. You would try. We should try. And I write dystopian literature. So even more so, like I generally take one evil, one thing that I see that it's wrong. And I blow it up to it's to where it would end up if we let it rule. And I mean, if we think back to our own nation with slavery, the Bible was used to support slavery. Does that make the Bible wrong? No, that makes the people who interpreted the Bible wrong. And you know, so you have to have a good interpretation. But even if you look at it from a dystopian view, there can be rulers in this world. You know, the people of Israel living in Egypt, that wasn't exactly comfortable. They were in slavery and yet God allowed them to suffer that for 400 years because he had a plan in mind to free them. And so we can't forget that even in the midst of evil, rolling, even in the midst of something that appears to be not right. There's still a plan. God has a plan for this and he might involve us. He might ask us to do something because it may be that there's something wrong that needs to be righted. And but yes, you're right. There is always going to be evil among us because we as humans are evil in our very nature. We will make choices against the way God wants us to make. And is that like, should we fix that? Well, I'd have to fix you.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  OK, so indeed. I don't want on the list. I don't want to get 25 minutes in. International Firebird Book Awards.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yes. So not only that, but I'm divided as also one, the Moonbeam Children's Book Award. Now you may think Children's Book is like picture book, includes young adult fiction, which I would fall into. And we've also made the short list or the long list, whatever you want to call it. For Shanta Clears, YA award, the Dante Rosetti Award. So I won't hear that until May, but I am. I'm just so honored that divided is being recognized like this. Of course, there's the humble pie of Nat Galla reviewers who trash, trash me and go. It's the same thing over and over and I'm like, really? Because there's any other. I really don't see any other. Actual. dystopian novels who were really hitting diversity and division and hatred like I do racial hatred. So, you know, it's just an honor to be. Have received those awards and to be among the company that other authors that have received those awards.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, I go into that in my how to write a book, get it published. It's tips and techniques for those who are thinking about publishing from being, you know, concept to writing. To publishing to marketing to indeed reviews. The troubles will always be there. The trolls are always the most vulnerable. The trolls just love to attack people.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah, I'm not going to call Nat Galla reviewers trolls, but they are kind of harsh. They can be really demanding and, you know, I want to get better. And so I read those reviews. I listen and improve the craft.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  No, there's a difference between something. constructive and something just I hate your stuff.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Exactly. And there's a mix.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, because I had one review from someone. So I was disappointed. I was expecting there to be more dialogue. And another reviewer saw that review, decided to leave a review of their review in a way. Said, well, what has this author ever said in a way of dialogue that made you to believe it was a dialogue, laden book? So. Yeah, I understand you may have preferred more dialogue, but that's how I write.
C.C.ROBINSON:  And I have friends who don't even read their reviews. They can't handle it. And I respect that as well. I do read the reviews. I read everyone. And if there's criticism, especially if it's constructive, I take that to heart because I'm still learning. Divided was my first novel released. And I do work with an editor and she's pretty tough on me. But, you know, there's always ways to grow and you're never perfect. Only Jesus is perfect.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I said it earlier. You're right. No such thing is perfect. We got to get out to sin of hubris. Right. It's not pride to sin is hubris. Because it, you know, back to twisting and warping of language, like all. The root of all evil is money. No, that's not what it says. The love of money is the root. So it's just twisting and distorting. I should be proud of my son hitting the walkoff home run that little league. I should be proud of my daughter, getting all these on her report card. If I solve a problem at work, I should be proud of it. It's a problem. If it's hubris and you go into the boss, how not in the desk, I demand my salary be doubled because I'm the only person on the planet gets anything done around here. Then it's a problem. Yeah. OK, really? Back to the award. Oh, because it says here. And I thought this was really nice and unique because there are various different award things and whatnot. But this ties in a charity and terror strikes that info site for my book. I have terror strikes that info slash charity where I try to promote charity as much as I can through that book too, because charity being a Christian value and a Christian book. So why don't you go ahead and tell us about that charitable tie?
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yes. So most award programs will charge a review fee. And it's because they need to find reviewers to read your books. And I get that and I completely understand and I support that because we need to actually let people work and earn money for their work. But the International Firebird Awards charges a fee that then is donated to a local nonprofit that works to help women who are homeless. And I would even say I challenged in in homing right now. I've known people who have gone through periods of not having a home and it is it is a struggle. And they're they're trying their best to keep their their family intact, to feed their kids and to get back on their feet. And so this this charity helps with that. And I love that that my award program fee goes to help that. And I love that that's what they're doing. And so I chose that program among a lot of other options I had. You know, we have limited funds. So I had a budget for what I would spend on award programs. And I wanted the International Firebird to be part of that. And because of that reason. I've worked in charity. I've worked in nonprofits for 20 years, 20 plus years. I can't even remember 24 years almost. And I think it is a it's a good thing that they're doing that I had an opportunity to support as well.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, that's wonderful. That's I have not heard that of any other award organization.
C.C.ROBINSON:  I haven't either. I have any. There was the first one I encountered. And I've looked at a lot of award programs.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  It was. I actually wanted you on to talk more about them than about you.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Oh, that's great. I love it. I'll make sure I grab this little thing and plug it out.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, just to joke people, just to talk people can recall them down, please. Oh, but like even in my terror strikes books, there's a comic relief chapter to make that point. Things are so serious. You got to keep a sense of humor.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Oh, yes. Yes, I have a I have a character and divided that is a bit of a comic relief as well. Because dystopian can get really happy and friends themselves have times when they're relaxing and they're getting to know each other. They're getting to know the cultures because they've been divided for 45 years. So these kids have grown up not having known someone from another ethnicity. Unlike us where we're really our culture is is a blend of a lot of different ethnicities, a lot of different focuses, but in their times, they don't have that. And they're curious. And so I love that curiosity, that humor, that those times of of rest can come in the middle of all the action.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah. Have you heard of a site called Story Rocket?
C.C.ROBINSON:  Not Story Rocket. I've heard Story Origin. OK, Story Rocket. Tell me about Story Rocket.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Story. I'm going to suggest it because my book's there. I'm I'm looking to try to get it adapted to the screen, right? Your series lends itself to something that would come to the screen. So you put your book on Story Rocket dot com, I think, but it's Story Rocket. You could Google that I'm sure no problem. Find it. I mentioned it in the how to write a book and get it published too for others. Yeah. Story Rocket allows you to kind of get your book in front of people who are in the Hollywood or movie making industry, not necessarily even Hollywood either. A lot more independent studios now, which is good. So you don't have to know somebody who knows somebody. You can put your book up on there. They're there. Look at actors, actresses, producers, directors, studios. They're looking for content there that they might want to move forward with. And I think your material lends itself very much to that and you might get picked up.
C.C.ROBINSON:  I will check that out for sure. Absolutely. Thank you for the suggestion.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yep, no problem. OK, so moving down the list, starting to wrap things up. What the deal? Yeah. What's the deal? It turned into the science about Joe here. What's the deal? Speak up, talk great. It's my brain fog. Dilly. I'm just so out of it with these medications. But speak what I don't even remember it. Speak up, talk radio. Yes.
C.C.ROBINSON:  So speak up, talk radio is a partner. And I was on one of their podcasts. So yeah.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  OK, so there's not a direct affiliation or with me, wards or anything like that.
C.C.ROBINSON:  No, no, that is that is part of the whole, I guess. Like organization.
None:  Yeah.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Like organization. Yes.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  All right.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Yeah, the speak up, talk radio, I believe. And I'm not part of it. That's why I'm hesitating. I believe they help amplify the Internet, the Firebird and the National Awards.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Oh, OK. All right. That makes sense there. Then all right. Let's I know what your website is, but yes, this is an audio show mostly. So tell our audience it will be in the extended show note version. If you go to Buzzsprout, find the show, the transcript has extended related links in it in the transcript there. But tell those listening what it is.
C.C.ROBINSON:  So it is CC Robinson author.com. And on there, I have a special offer for your listeners, for the listeners of the Christitution List podcast. And that is a free ebook. Join my newsletter list. And there's plenty of places to subscribe. And the buttons are available everywhere, both on the homepage and on CC Robinson author.com forward slash subscribe. And you will get upheaval for free. That is an ebook that sells on Amazon, but you'll get it for free.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Great. Great. Yeah. And again, that's CC Robinson author.com. Not winning the pool in Christopher Robinson.
C.C.ROBINSON:  That's Robinson. Nope. None of those, not Mrs. Robinson, either. Oh, that's the one I typically get is Oh, Robinson.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  No, I am amazed. My brain didn't go there. Yeah. And now the rest of this game will have that dog on my ass. So here's to you. Mrs. Robin. Oh boy. Yeah. Thank you. No, thank you.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Sorry about that. And on all the socials, I'm also CC Robinson author. So come find me. I love engaging with listeners, with readers.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  That's great. Thank you for coming on the show. CC Robinson.
C.C.ROBINSON:  Thank you.



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