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ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2E92): Faith in Action: Mobilizing Christians for Civic Engagement

March 22, 2025 • Joseph M. Lenard • Season 2 • Episode 92

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ChristiTutionalist Politics (S2E92): Faith in Action: Mobilizing Christians for Civic Engagement
Christian civic engagement isn't fringe activism but a responsibility stemming from our blessing of self-government in America. Our obligation extends beyond personal faith to participating in the republic we've been given, bringing biblical values into the voting booth.
• Fifty million self-identified Christians aren't registered or don't vote regularly
• Just 20% more Christian voter participation could create an "earthquake" in American politics
• Parental rights have become a flashpoint as parents discover what's happening in public education
• Local elections matter more than many realize - school boards, city councils can be impacted by small groups of engaged voters
• The Republican party has been making inroads with faith communities including Hispanic, Asian, and African American voters
• Churches and pastors are "multipliers" in getting Christians engaged in the civic process
• Bible verses must be understood in full context, not cherry-picked to avoid difficult truths
• The "minimal acceptable behavior" for Christians is simply registering to vote and voting biblical values
Start by getting registered to vote, then vote your biblical values in every election. You don't have to be a political junkie to make a difference!
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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show

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JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Hello everybody, don't adjust your video. Right, I didn't bother to pull down the green screen all the way, so if you're seeing part of the ugly couch as a joke, that's because I didn't bother to pull down the green screen all the way. And I apologize that you see me if you're looking behind the scenes in my nightmare. I know, probably TMI, right? But I've always told you, this is your no-mus, no-fuss, just me, right? Very informal, this is me, this is what you get, and I'm not putting on any errors. I wanted to briefly record this segment before I forgot, before we get into the actual episode. I was adding eatery, and I just happened to overhear a woman at the next booth. It came out of her mouth about someone. She or he doesn't matter. Point is, not like I was eavesdropping on their conversation, but came out of her mouth, an influencer without any real influence. That was such a great line, that it went in my ears subconsciously, and immediately looked to my conscious level, and if you know me personally, you know, I'll talk to anybody. I don't need a formal introduction, but that was such a great line. I got up and told her, it's like, oh my god, I just happened to hear you say that line, an influencer without any real influence. Now, you also know, if you're at all a regular viewer or listener to the show, that I joke all the time and say, at any rate is an ongoing gag segue, and at any rate would be a great name for a podcast. Well, if you were to want to do an informal show, kind of like I do, but you know, I deal in serious subject matter all the time. But if you were doing a lighthearted kind of fun show with guests about whatever everyday things and not necessarily always going deep into subjects, an influencer without any real influence, what else would be a great game for a podcast. So any rate, indeed, there we go again, right? I just had to record this before hopping into bed before I would forget so that I could put this before this episode's actual episode material. So at any rate, indeed, I told her to, I'd give her a shout on the show. I she'll know who she is. I hope she's tuned in. Indeed, any rate, let's get to the actual episode material. Hello, gang, another brief insert to say, I hope you've been enjoying music weeks. Another week has just ended Monday through Friday, the last three weeks of March. Today is another Saturday, traditionally monologue show, or may or may not be. We'll get into that in a second. But anyway, I hope you're enjoying the music weeks. I hope you enjoyed the health weeks at the end of February, a bit of additional fodder, discussions, material, kind of separate and apart from usual CTP fair. Hope you enjoyed it. Hello, everyone. A brief special intro to this week's show. You know Saturdays, I normally have on monologues that are in conjunction with a written article at the Liberty Beacon.com. Well, we're working through some issues. So today's show, as well as an occasional other Saturday show here and there, may not be a monologue in conjunction with. I know you already either saw or heard the pre-intro saying this wouldn't be a Saturday monologue, but a guest appearance instead. Well, that was a lie. Yes, for the benefit of the transcript, I'm laughing. Of course, I didn't lie, but I was wrong. Was I wrong? This is a guest's plural appearance. Yes, thank you. The show has been growing by leaps and bounds, but I of course know many have not gone into the back catalog and seen earlier shows, seen or heard, watched or listened to earlier shows. So this week, I'm having Drew McKissick and Dr. Robert Steele back about face engagement from 2024. Hope you will enjoy this. I thought it important to have a replay. Hello, everybody. Welcome to the show. Today, we're going to have Michael Myers talking about the Halloween. Nope, nope. That's wrong episode. Michael Myers. We were supposed to have Mike mirrors with us, but not Michael Myers, but he's got a church thing, as you can imagine, with all the lunacy going on around DC. And if you know anything about Michigan politics of late two, a lot of craziness going on here too. It's hard to get bored people together. And I didn't want to push this off any further away from the actual faith engagement event, which actually took place on January 30th. I wanted to get this out as soon thereafter as possible. So Drew McKissick. I'm McKissky, right? No, McKiss. Oh, I'm screwed up your name, Drew. Yes, McKissick. Yes. I'm like, I've got it written down and I still can't get it right. And Rob Lowe. Oh, no, no, that's another episode too. Dr. Rob Steele. But two, two admissions before I go too far, I wanted to attend was hoping to was trying to plan to attend the faith engagement, but it didn't work out. So I didn't make it. So I will, like everyone here, be learning as we go myself. And the other admission is I don't script. I normally don't share things ahead with guests. But since there's multiple of us, and I was expecting there might be four of us on it, I did share in advance some information and that we would be rotating through answers. So we wouldn't mumble and fumble and stumble over each other wasn't wasn't about control. It was about trying to avoid chaos. But at any rate, let me first introduce Dr. Rob Steele, who will then introduce us to Drew. So where are you calling in from Rob and how's the weather?
DR. ROBERT STEELE: I'm right here in, you know, Joe, Michigan right now specializes in chaos. So I think chaos is absolutely fine. Could be more comfortable with chaos. But I'm calling from my house, it's a spirit township. So, you know, I'm seeing the same basic weather that you are. You know, but I do have to head up north tonight, still up to the Traverse City area, because I'm doing an event up there in Lenaway County. So looking forward to that as well. And go ahead and. Yeah, so as many of your listeners may not know that I had sent out an email that went out to delegates, actually, I think it went out to more than delegates. I think it went out to about 17,000 people, you know, people that I've been in contact with in the past and so forth, some of the political, some not. But it went out discussing the use, what the RNC has been doing regarding faith engagement over the years. And so initially, I'd asked Mike, Mears to come on and Mike was there at the beginning in 2013. But, you know, even better, today we have Drew McKissick. So let me introduce Drew, who was there with the RNC faith efforts from the beginning, I think in 2013. And so Drew has been with the faith on the RNC and with the faith team since that time. But he's also been a very active member of the RNC all along since that time. And he's also the state chair of South Carolina. And of course, South Carolina, why we all know at the top tends to be fairly Republican, you know, down down below, as some of the lower offices, it has tended to be Democrats, Bill. And Drew has done an outstanding job as the chair in South Carolina. And they have really moved the Republican effort deeper down the ballot and now many mayor ships and other offices that were previously Democrat, you know, Drew has helped more constraints to take those over. And of course, right now, Drew is actually the RNC co-chair. And so every day when he wakes up, it couldn't be the day he becomes the chair. He doesn't know. I mean, there could be a plane crash, you know, right here, our house in Maple, where we go sometimes in literally two miles from our house. And it turned out my an aside, which I'm good at. My daughter's boyfriend was literally one of the first cars on the scene in his video. And then he was on international news all night long from this plane crash that happened right there on I 75. But so Drew is our co-chair. He does a fantastic job. He's all over the country representing the RNC. And what's fantastic is, you know, the co-chair is not required that they be a member of the RNC. But he is and he's been a great member and a great state chair. So, you know, that's a fantastic aspect of what Drew's done in addition to his faith stuff. So we can go ahead and move into the faith part of the RNC. However, you want to know.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Well, I again, this is a Christian show for all Christians. I don't want to dwell specifically on the RNC aspect of it, but the faith engagement in general. Of course, we want to bring people over. I make no bones about yes. I am a GOP delegate. I call myself a constitutionalist by choice, a Republican by necessity. In my opinion, it's the only party where the values are reflected in the platform at all, at least at this time, maybe some other lesser parties, but they don't really amount to anything. But again, this show is about Christians in whatever party. But at first, Drew, is there some warmth you can send our way? I just got off a plane like it midnight last night
DREW MCCISSICK: coming back from Alaska. So I don't know how much I'm still having my bones right now. I was with them for the last three days, got back late last night and time to go to bed and get up and go to church this morning. So, but I'll say and just, you know, initially talking about before getting into details, I guess about faith engagement, I think a bigger point needs to be made. Now, I suspect that's part of what you do with your show. And that is one, getting across people, the importance of what we have in this country in terms of the blessing of self-government. And I would say from a Christian point of view, then, because we've been blessed with that, then our obligation as Christians to actually participate in the government that we've been given here in this country. That's one thing. And then when you go further and you talk about the Republican Party itself, you know, and I hear your point a minute ago and I sympathize or I'll resemble that remark as the one would think, you know, because it has, as been said before, I'm a Christian first, a conservative second, a Republican third, you know, political parties in and of themselves, Republican, Democrat, libertarian, you know, whatever the party might be, parties in and of themselves don't stand for anything. People stand for something. So at any given day, it's the people who are in any respective party who are going to find what that party stands for. So as a Christian conservative myself, I'm always looking to try to get other people one engaged in the civic process. And as I think makes sense, getting them as many of it as possible involved in one political party so they can have greater political clout. You know, it's just a matter of simple arithmetic. I've considered myself for a long time to be a political evangelist, you know, evangelizing the importance of actually getting involved in the civic process. And when you're talking about Christians, you know, where are they? Well, they're in church. So then you've got the importance of getting those folks who are in church, not to be involved in a specific political party, but one just to to engage in the civic process and vote their biblical values. They do that. We're fine. Yeah, we're already dealing in that
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): first question, the why, which I had made myself a note, guessing to not put words in your mouth, but you're already kind of expressing it like my calling to do Christitutionalist politics. It's indeed about giving people involved in the Judeo-Christian Foundation and keeping our nation as that republic we were founded as and return to the Bible in full context, because a whole lot of people have caught up in the worldly bombardment and kind of gone away and lost a little bit of that biblical root and urge to vote biblically. So I think, Drew, you've kind of already answered that, but yeah, anything else you want to add regarding the specific why the faith and engagement.
DREW MCCISSICK: Well, again, you know, regardless of what particular politics may be talking about, you know, liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, Christian, secular, or whatever, you know, we do have a process of self-government with elections. And, you know, at the end of the day, there's a scoreboard. There's winners and there's losers. You know, in that sense, it's a zero-sum game when it comes to political power. You either win or you lose and losers don't get to make policy. You know, the guy, Galfu, lost, they don't get a call about what the tax rates ought to be or whether CRT ought to be in the schools or whether, you know, we had transgendered bathrooms or, you name it, go down the list of things that you and I probably wouldn't have took a bet on eight years ago that we'd be talking about today. But unfortunately, we are. You know, I think a lot of the what I would call the boundaries or the if you think of it like a highway, you know, the ditches have been moved further and further to the left, so to speak. I mean, you know, what we're arguing about things today that were accepted generally, you know, universally, if you will in the country, as being fundamental, not that long ago. And, you know, when you start arguing over things that are fundamental, you start to argue about the actual, you know, underpinnings of the country, of society, of the culture. And, you know, as you know, what we're told to listen, we need we need folks to go and be salt and lion. That doesn't mean just, you know, in and around your neighborhood and
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): your friends, but it also means in the political spirit. Yeah. And as Reagan said for us to be that shining city on the hill, Rob, you won the chime in with anything else there? Well, I think he's
DR. ROBERT STEELE: hit on the broad, broad aspect of faith and engagement with government. And of course, that's a huge thing. And I'm sure we'll get into it a little bit more when we talk about the Faith Summit, but it's been a huge topic about, you know, how little evangelicals tend to participate in vote. And that's just a huge aspect of why the RNC on a political side is in. But there are many other groups out there, Faith Boats, with Mike Huckabee, and of course, Ralph Reed, Faith and Freedom and others. So we'll cover some of that as well. Absolutely. And here's why I was
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): half tongue and cheek about the weather. My next question is why where it was now. Rob and I certainly understand you wouldn't want this in Detroit in January. So I would imagine part of the weather factored in why it was in Vegas. And when I knew of it in advance and was promoting it, I was tongue and cheek joking. Where else is there more need of faith engagement than Sin City? But in all seriousness, there's a lot of rooms, a lot of convention space, the airfare from anywhere in the nation is relatively low. So I would imagine all that factored in. But yeah, mainly why Drew?
DREW MCCISSICK: Well, first off, the main reason was because the RNC was having one of its three meetings there. You know, we do three meetings a year. That was our winter meeting. It was in Vegas. So we wanted to do this while we had RNC members in town because we got a very large faith engagement committee on the RNC with a lot of participation from members from around the country. And so they wanted to be able to be a part of this as well. And, you know, and not to put too fine a point on it, but Nevada is also a targeted state in this site. You know, when it comes to presidential election, that's important. Yeah, there are a lot of pastors there that we wanted to be able to reach out to. So all those things just kind of, you know, pointed in the same direction, which is fine. But, you know, not the last of these that we'll be doing by no means. This was a way to begin to have initial conversations with Chuck and ramp up, you know, for this election cycle. And, you know, it was, as Rob pointed out earlier, yeah, this is something that we first started back in 13th when Rice Priebus was chairman of the party. And he appointed the first ever faith engagement director for the RNC to get a friend of mine and Chad Colleen who actually preceded me as state chairman here in South Carolina. And I went to work with him as the Eastern faith engagement director for, you know, basically everything east of Mississippi. And did two political cycles there, the 14 cycle and the 16 cycle. And, you know, working with doing outreach to pastors specifically. You know, pastors are, they're multipliers. You know, those are leverage points. And so those are people who, you know, you would think, generally speaking, you shouldn't have to convince that they need the people in their church to actually be involved in civics. But you should be surprised how many really don't focus on that. And I don't mean focus on it to the neglect of their church work or, you know, the gospel by any means. But again, my point that I made about, you know, the blessings that we have in self government and then we were given a government to participate in and just with everything else we're given, we're going to be held to account one day as to what we do with what we've been given. And I think you can make an extra case for that when it comes for government. So therefore, the pastors have an obligation to talk to those folks sitting in the pews about their obligation to what they do with what war has given us here in this country. And so what we do and did in those cycles was go around and do meetings, make it be anywhere from three pastors to a hundred pastors. It depends on where you go. You do a small meeting. You can get more together to do a big meeting later and go around state to state church group, the church group, local Baptist associations, Pentecostal associations, etc. and work your way up to the larger group. You have to build relationships. And once you establish credibility with them and build the relationships, allow you to get in the room with fellow pastors and just talk about the importance of this. I'm not trying to get you to get everybody to turn out in a local Republican organizational meeting. I just need you to get more people in your church registered to vote and vote their values. If we do that, we are miles further down the road than we were.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Oh, I hear you entirely like I don't just, one of the reasons why I started this show is that, like Rob Touchdown, 50 million-ish Americans, supposed Christians, right now we all know not every Christian is really deep in their Bible. But if we can get those real Christians who are biblically rooted involved, there's no way we as a block can lose. But a lot of people and why I came out with Christiushalist politics, the book to go with the show. And I don't just push that. My friend Neil Mammon has a book called, Jesus was involved in politics. Why aren't you? Why isn't your church? Because there's a lot of people indeed think as a Christian, you're somehow supposed to be standoffish. No, we are called to be our brother's keeper. That means be involved. But that doesn't mean socialist, communist redistribution. Those are personal commandments. And our government is supposed to stay out of those things. But now you mentioned pastors, I was going to go into the guest next. I was going to start with David Barton. But since you keep mentioning pastors, Dave Welsh mentioned him and his group.
DREW MCCISSICK: Not a great guy. Dave's been involved for a long time. I think probably I suspect a little bit longer than I have. I first got involved in the late 80s. Dave a little bit earlier than that. I've known him since probably, I guess some time in the 90s when I first met Dave and him doing some of the work that he did politically. I mean, prior to my, you know, becoming a GOP elected official. Yeah, I worked in organizations like Christian Coalition and other groups way back in the day in the 90s and so forth. You know, Dave participated in a lot of that as well. And he's continued to stay in the fight. And he gets it. And he understands why it's important that the past wouldn't be a voice for participation. Yeah, and his group name is
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): officially what? You're catching me cold right now. How about you, Rob?
DR. ROBERT STEELE: I'm Jack. No, I didn't know, but man, did he do a great job? And he told some stories. Yeah, my his effectiveness in working through the churches and on a couple of different issues in Houston that was just really remarkable. And everybody really, really learned a lot when he was when he was going
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): into that stuff. It's past or something. But for those viewing on the behind the scenes video to this audio podcast, you can see I'm holding up my flyer from the event. And the name of this group is inconveniently cut off at the bottom of the print page. And I don't remember off the top of my head either. But I love Dave Bart. I mean, again, anyone more qualified to talk about our Judeo Christian ethic foundations than him I can't think of right? Drew. No, I couldn't either. I mean,
DREW MCCISSICK: Dave Bartens forgot more about Christian American history than I've ever learned. And by the way, has I want to say I'm pretty confident this is true. The largest private library in America of such documents, if it go all the way back, you actually precede the founding of this country.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Him and Glenn Beck have put together a massive collection. Yes, he has. And he knows it backwards
DREW MCCISSICK: forwards and sideways. And you put it off top of his head. And you know, which so much of which just makes, I would say, well, first off, makes you ashamed sometimes how little you do actually know about the Christian aspect of the founding of this country and the views of the people who did found this country and what they thought of in terms of the importance of having Christian people engaged in the government of this country and the things that they said along those lines, which obviously isn't taught in schools today, obviously isn't talked about in the media today and all that for a reason. And we understand that. So, you know, but one of the things that we can't do is get mad at the other side for what they do. What we need to do is get mad at ourselves for
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): what we don't do. Oh, I hear you on that. And I don't want to go into every speaker that was there. But Rob, one of the other ones and most of this audience will recognize Ralph Reed, formerly of Christian coalition now of faith and freedom. What did he bring to the table, Rob? As if we don't
DR. ROBERT STEELE: know, but he's remarkable and back on just on dig. Well, he's the head of the Houston area Passport Council. So, they have a large organization there where the pastors meet and have become very, very effective in their social engagement down there in a variety of issues. And before we
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): go any further thoughts and prayers, of course, to the Houston area after that shooting. But I'm
DR. ROBERT STEELE: sorry, Rob, go on. And then also on, you know, David Barton, I have followed him since the 90s and I actually have a set of videotapes, EHS, dates of David when, you know, he and I both were certainly younger. And he was talking more about the, you know, same founding stuff, but his talk with us was remarkable. And we could talk about it some more. But Ralph Reed, I learned a few things about Ralph that I had known, but he just did a fantastic job. I was not aware that he was a multi-term bear of the governor of the Georgia Republican Party. And so he, his involvement in intersection between the church and politics is remarkable because his depth of knowledge on the political aspects of elections and the electorate and how things work that he knows just was tremendous. I mean, it was unbelievable. This information he has that he can then apply to the numbers and the issues that are important to people, you know, holding their faith and activating those voters and the numbers that he had regarding some of the political aspects of this and how President Trump did in the election among evangelicals and how much it increased between 2016 and 2020 were shocking. And so he spoke not only at the faith meeting, but then again to us in the RNC meeting and was the guest speaker for the main dinner. Just did a tremendous job. But he, his organization is out there really working hard to activate evangelicals because, you know, if you're voting your faith, you understand, you know, we all say, I mean, don't we always say, this is the most important election in the history. We said, oh, but, but, you know, the guardrails, you know, that used to be, we thought we were arguing about, you know, how much welfare was going to be larger, smaller. But what's happening now is getting down to the foundations of our society and the guardrails are getting thinner and thinner. And so every time we say that, it becomes actually, it is more true. But now we're getting ready to break through some guardrails that have existed for hundreds of years. And once broken through, are going to be difficult to, you know, climb back up over the cliff. And of course, you know, a lot of people living their daily lives and, and trying to act out their faith, but taking care of their kids and going back to practice and getting their paycheck, doing everything they can to survive a replacement. You know, they're not as familiar with the idea of, of the concerted effort around the world to collapse the United States and to take religion out of the marketplace in, in the United States. And it is an international effort. And so it's really time for us to focus on this activation and, and voting your faith. And there are many groups doing it, as we mentioned it. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And I,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): again, I don't, I don't want to get into hyper partisanship again. But I, you know, I don't want Democrat Republican thing, but maybe more a bit left right. Because indeed, we see protection of freedom of religion from the right. And we see hostility of it from the left, the anti semitism now, the anti Christian, the attack on family values from the left, which is not to say all Democrats are ultra leftist ideologues. I'm not saying that again. I'm trying to steer clear of ultimate hyper partisanship. But anyone who looks with open eyes and ends indeed deeply rooted in their Bible in context, again, not taking render unto Caesar out of context, turning it into from it takes a village, which is a biblical tenant, meaning yes, it takes me, it takes my friends here with me today, it takes my family, it takes my name neighbors, the micro level, small letter community, or communism, if you must, not the hitlery blown out of proportion. It takes your children as wards of the state village. There's a big difference. One is biblical,
DREW MCCISSICK: one is not. Well, Rob pointed out, though, we do use that phrase a lot. And this is the most important election in our lifetime. But I think just to build on that for a minute, the fact is, as we have pointed out, the left has been working faster and harder to take this country further and faster to the left in every succeeding election cycle. So in that sense, every election does become more important than last. Because again, as I pointed out earlier, we're not arguing over things that are marginal anymore. We're arguing over things that are fundamental,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): foundational to society, culture, etc. And the core of the family, yeah, is under assault these days.
DREW MCCISSICK: And yeah, so, and one other thing that people need to understand, you know, that politically is the political system by and large responds to, let's call it political market dynamics. You know, so in other words, if people are not demanding something or agitating for something, then it usually does not happen. In other words, we can't, it's hard for Christians to get upset at a government that doesn't respond to things that they want. If they're not actively engaged in demanding the things that they want, and part of that is at the ballot box, that's one thing that we need to be mindful of. And as you pointed out earlier, and it's exactly right, you have a huge, huge percentage of Christian conservatives who are not registered to vote. You have a big percentage of those who are registered to vote who don't vote. And so, you know, if just an extra, let's say, 20%, you know, those who are sitting on the sidelines actually got actively engaged in every election around this country, it'd be an earthquake, total earthquake. And especially when you're talking about lower level races, you know, I mean, usually we all live and breathe and swim in national media politics every day. We're all guilty of this. We know more about what's going on in Washington, D.C. than we do on our own local school board or city council or county council. But the dirty little secret is we can all have much more influence over a city council or school board or county council than we ever could over congressional race or presidential race. It's not that we shouldn't participate in those other things. We should. But we neglect what's going on at the local level to our peril. And, you know, I don't know if you notice, you know, you get a tax bill, I'm sure every year you see how much your school district spends, you know, for your property taxes or, you know, you see how much that impacts children and the local community and what's going on in the local government. But the further thing is that the election participation rates in those lower level races are much, much lower than presidential races and congressional races. You've got school board races in some cases where collective track can be less than, you know, seven or eight percent of total elected voters in the district. So a small group of organized folks who want to work hard and help candidates can actually
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): have a huge impact at the local level. Absolutely. I made myself a note to go next parental rights. Again, back to it takes a village. That's another thing under assault. Your children belong to parents and the extended family, not the federal tyrannical wards of the state. But yet one side is supporting parental rights. And the other tyrannical top down, one size fits all, you must believe the way we dictate you to believe mentality. And as you said, more mama bears as we didn't come in to call them are finally stepping up and getting involved, Rob, right at the school
DR. ROBERT STEELE: board level. Yeah, I mean, it was the, you know, being a physician, I can tell you there weren't a lot of blessings in the whole COVID thing with collapse of organized medicine taking payments from the government to push, you know, certain points of view and everything that happened at the FDA and HHS. But the one silver lining was absolutely what people learned about what was truthfully going on in the public schools. And that has been a revolution in the school board situation, understanding how advanced this doctrine in indoctrination was and what was going on being hidden. I mean, you know, even when my 25 year old was in elementary school, they were bringing home, you know, books that said, you know, talking about, you know, promoting being a vegetarian and so forth, you know, when a chicken that says, I am not a nugget. Okay, I got it. But that's not what they're talking about now. I mean, it's a whole nother thing where they are literally stealing children's identity away from their parents and hiding. And, you know, and on the medical side, it's such a travesty. It's hard for me to convey how insane what is going on is when when you need a permission slip to take a mole off somebody but not for an abortion or to change their sex or start that process. It is remarkable beyond comprehension. And that all strikes at the foundation and the underpinning the power our system works and where the guardrails
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): are. Oh, absolutely. Robert, I just recently wrote on the Liberty Beacon calm, a piece bread and circus, right? Focus on anything and everything as a deflection and destruction, the bread and circus from things that actually are affecting your life now. And like I say in my book, they're pedaling as I coined it, the new ours, you know, it used to be reading writing arithmetic, history, science. No, there's no are in there. But our kids are so dumb nowadays, they don't know there isn't an hour in that word. But the new ours are radicalism, branch perversion and racism through CRT. Anything but the core principles that teach them to be able to live and think and do things for themselves. They just want as Lin ball used to say, turning out mind robots not how to think but dictate from the top down what you will think.
DREW MCCISSICK: Part of your problem or their problem is people who think. I mean, you know, literally, that's their problem is people who think because their ideas don't stand to criticism, critical thinking. So the last thing they need is more people who are who think critically and much less are steeped in core values, core traditional American values, which, you know, we know tend to lead to people who think differently than they do. So they have worked diligently and successfully in a lot of places around this country to undermine and attack that. And, you know, we are seeing the fruits of that right now around the country. And, you know, thankfully, you know, in say, in the Virginia School Board elections, you know, a little over a year ago, you saw people wake up as Rob pointed out. You know, you saw a lot of people wake up because of COVID and at home learning. And then people are like, what the heck? Yo, what they're teaching this in school? You know, and they start to ask questions. Well, that's inconvenient. So they show the school board meetings, start asking questions, they start turning off the microphones or telling them to leave or, you know, whatever, we're going to, sorry, we're going to risk you now if you keep disrupting this meeting with real questions, you know, so it's the last thing that he is people with critical thinking skills. Yeah,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): and they don't teach them history, world, and especially our own, as I also go into in my book, you don't need to look at the failure of fascism and Marxism through Marx, Lenin, Mao, Shaik, Castro, you can look back to the Mayflower commie compact, the Commonwealth, where everyone collectively owned, no one had an incentive to do more than the next guy. And they almost all starved to death. So Bradford instituted the what America became known for free markets, private property, personal responsibility, individualism rather than collectism. And as they say, the rest is history. We went on to thrive, or we could have completely died out if we need to stay down that macro communism. Again, micro communism as a community is fine if you choose to be part of that community as opposed to being forced to be part of a community you don't want to be,
DR. ROBERT STEELE: right, Rob? Well, you know, that story that you just related about how, you know, the Mayflower group that landed was almost distinguished because of starvation, because of the tragedy the commons, let's call it. And then their recovery once they became responsible for themselves, that whole story was in great detail, ought to children in their middle school, yes, not anymore. And so it just shows you how far and once, you know, the progressives got a hold of the education understanding, you know, as they say, you know, give me your children, how to generate that kind of stuff. And so they did. And that's what's happened. And that was common knowledge among people growing up because it was in the public schools and in their ducky reader type texts. And once you start taking that away, you know, it only takes a generation or two and those people have no idea about those general principles. And that's why the whole faith vote thing is really not that partisan. It may end up there, but if people vote their faith, they tend to vote for the things that Republicans believe in, as you said, about the parental rights and all these sorts of, and you know, with Drew said, they can't have thinking, be black, this was moving a book out of the my library book, around it, I had my hand in the book, I think the title of it was if liberals had a brain, it'd be Republicans, they're like that. It is kind of like that. And to be on the progressive team in today's society would be incredibly different, difficult because of this lack of the underpinning, they have to look at each issue separately, figure out how they come out on them. Whereas we tend to look at some very, very basic principle, you know, liberty, freedom, you know, some moral aspects. And we come to a conclusion based on those things where they have to, well, how do I work that one out on this issue? Because it was the reverse on a
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): different issue. Maybe it just becomes very, very difficult. Well, I'm with Dennis Prager on this. For years, I fell into the liberal conservative paradigm thing. And frankly, Dennis Prager educated me. And he's absolutely right. It's not liberal conservative. It's leftists. There's a difference between leftists and classical liberals. You look at a Brandon Strach or a Candace Owens or a Tammy Bruce or any number of people who were ultra liberal, but not completely indoctrinated leftists that when you think in these terms, and that's true of some Christians, which is why I say come back to the whole Bible in full context. As I said, you know, taxation, we all understand a certain degree of it is necessary. But Jesus said, God loves a cheerful giver, right? Taxation to some degree is necessary. But it is also true. Taxation is theft, that saying, God loves a cheerful giver. So we should be wanting to support the things our government under the constitutional limitations are doing. But redistribution, stealing from Steve to give to Eve for the benefit of John across the street isn't charity. It isn't being their brother's keeper. It is
DREW MCCISSICK: communist redistribution. What we like to contribute to is things that actually make the society function better, like say, for instance, national defense for local police protection. Things that protect, you know, when we go back to to to to we talked earlier about fundamentals, well, go back to our, you know, Declaration of Independence, we talk about what life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, life, liberty, and actually before they use the phrase pursuit of happiness, the word was originally going to be property, life, liberty, and taking my life, my liberty, and my stuff and to be able to use my stuff as I want to, to up until the point that it impacts you, you know, so to be able to provide for, you know, security and regulation to make sure that that's possible, those are the things that, you know, that's why you come together collectively as a society to actually protect and defend those things is Jefferson laid out in the Declaration of Independence. Yeah, but the principles you talked earlier, you know, about the about the pilgrims and so forth, it that whenever they changed tact, if you will, and decided, you know, hey, maybe we need this collectivism stuff isn't working out the way we thought it was going to work, or we got people who are just, you know, willing to lay in the hammock while the other people are working. Well, what did they do? Essentially, they tacked towards a more Christian point of view, which is what? Personal responsibility and the freedom to do with as you would. I mean, so freedom only works is a good friend of mine says freedom only works every time you try it. You know, if you want one of my favorite pictures, you can find online, you can go and you can Google this right now is the Korean Peninsula at night. And you can see right along the 38th parallel, everything below that at nighttime, you know, you've got lights everywhere. You can tell people live there and it's it's it's, you know, you have power electricity, you know, and above the 38th parallel up to the Chinese borders pitch black dark. Why? Very same located area, very same people, same culture, same language, same everything except freedom or social. And there's a difference right there. Yeah. And if you go back to our fundamental Christian principles, beginning with personal accountability and responsibility, you know, why would we not, you know, we as Christians ought to want more of that in the political sphere, more people who have those beliefs in the political sphere, because then good things flow from that. And of course, we know left this don't want that. So anytime that we talk about what we're talking about here today, which is getting more Christians to get engaged in the political system, they're going to say, you know, no, no, separation church of saints, separation church of state. Well, okay, so what you're saying is, if I go to church and I can't be involved in politics, is that what you're telling me? Well, it kind of sounds like that's what they're telling people. Yeah, but again, as I point out, I say this all the time, the people, you know, like mine who are just like us, but are very despondent sometimes and very worked up about what's going on in the country, we can't spend time being mad at what the other guys are doing. We need to be talking about what either we're doing or many cases, what we're not
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): doing. You're exactly right. That's why I wanted this episode on face engagement. And also, I do point out in my book two things about the Bradford colony, I like to think that's where Rand got the idea of Atlas shrugged, because Atlas shrugged then and we changed course. But now I'm forgetting the other point of what you said that I wanted to bring up. So Rob, take over while I
DR. ROBERT STEELE: try to remember what I forgot. I think, you know, one of the things that Ralph Reed talked about, you know, was this tremendous number of evangelicals that voted for Donald Trump and, you know, and that was really confused the left or the liberals because, you know, nobody would argue that Donald is perfect in his personal life has, you know, been the gold standard on certain aspects of the fight. But when it comes to what he tried to do to go out, you know, the freedom of religion and to allow our system, our brilliant system, to be able to function back as a way it was designed, allowing people to have a better life. And so he was setting records for his election in 2016. But through, I think, it routes say that it was 11 million more in 2020,
DREW MCCISSICK: evangelicals voted for it was it was. And in terms of total turnout, it was the second high turn out in the history of the nation, unfortunately had higher turnout in the other side of tickling key states, but, you know, states like California and other places where it doesn't matter if you can run up the score because they like it both don't change. But but yes, it was and I would also say, you know, the other thing, and this is the thing that of course just segue away into politics real quick that has Democrats in this, I particularly upset, is the sport that he received in 20. And that he's built on, at least in terms of polls, sits in with the African American community and Hispanic American community, Asian American community. He got the highest percentage of the vote in those three communities in any Republicans,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): as Richard Nixon in 1972. Yeah. Oh, yeah. The left in their defund the police, polls show four and five blacks want more police protection, not less.
DREW MCCISSICK: And I'll say, and this is a good other point to make is those communities, by large, are more conservative than white American communities on key cultural values. And this is something that has the Democrat party working at Cross purposes with itself right now. And as beginning to see some of those foundations erode because as they move further and further faster to the cultural left, they are alienating these folks who've been a core bedrock of their national support. And now you see those polls showing, you know, Trump potentially having a larger percentage of those folks in the coming election. So they've got a big problem. And in progressivism, we know ultimately destroys anything it touches. And I would say in this case,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): including their own part. Yeah, I made a note. I remembered what it was. Before I get to that, though, you went down another road, the election. People think of it as a great divide. But the reality is the election was decided by 44,000 votes over five states. That's what it electorally really came down to. And that difference is real easy to make up if people get off their couch and be involved, or at least vote this notion that Christian means not being involved, which was my other point, the Jefferson letter. I mentioned that on the back of my book. That whole separation of church and state is not in our founding documents. It comes from and is bastardized out of a Jefferson letter. The left doesn't want a separation of church and state, where our founder said freedom of religion, but there shall be no official federal religion. But many states had their own official church way back when it's not freedom from religion, that the leftist peddling. I like to say they want separation from church to state.
DREW MCCISSICK: That's why you have, and I think I'm remembering this correctly, but there is a leftist organization called the Freedom from Religion Foundation. Exactly. Yeah, Rob, you want to chime in?
DR. ROBERT STEELE: Yeah, right. Well, when I was in Las Vegas, we had to walk from one end of a complex to another to get to our meetings. While I didn't run into any Danbury Baptist, while I was getting coffee, I'm standing there and I had my RNC credential on. Some guy says to me, says, what's the meaning about it? I said, you know, Nag Republic of National Committee. He was obviously a very great guy. We talked for about 10 minutes. Turned out he was a professor who had gone into business, taught at a, and he was from Central America and had taught at an H.E.V.U. where he was a professor, but he said, yeah, I said, boy, he says, you know, you guys are still missing a lot of our community because there's such overlap. We had that exact conversation about the social values of a lot of the immigrant community who's come from Central America, who are very religious. And these are the ones that the Dems are turning away left and right. And then, of course, when Drew mentions, you know, the impact that are the inroads that we've made among the Black Hispanic and Asian communities because of the less division tactics, you know, that's something that we've been playing on, of course, on the political end with our community centers and so forth. But a lot of that comes down to religion. And it really is a sense of a community where some of our community centers, though they're started, frankly, as a kind of a thing, they become true community centers. And these, you know, communities like in Orange County, the Vietnamese communities use these community centers literally each their children, their native dances and their native cooking and their true community centers. And, you know, the church is there. I have become a very important part of why, you know, on the flip, the republics have improved because of the engagement in the Asian churches.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): And again, to avoid Democrat Republican thing, this is where the ultra left lies about the ultra right. We are not anti-immigrant, we are pro legal immigrant. And to your point about turning those away, they're turning people away from Venezuela and Cuba, where they actually qualify for asylum. And one of these other people in who don't have any of those values of actually escaping communism, because they have a whole point and different purpose. So the immigration is not no immigration, but legal and illegal. I want to start wrapping up. I don't want to go on and on and on forever. If it gets too long, people won't tune in. But I do want to go to this that I had written down in my notes, because I was on Wham Radio as a caller. Moment of clarity show, Saturday's one o'clock Wham Radio here in Ann Arbor, Michigan. I'm always calling into the Saturday show. They wrote X. They wrote X. Somewhere outside of Ann Arbor, they wrote X. Yeah. But I hate they wrote it. It was Ed Bandarinka and Bruce Flurry, who were filling in for Pastor Rick on his Moment of clarity show. And they discussed, and I had to chime in, that Jesus gets us ads. Now, there's a whole lot of people that like it. And I get the point of anything that potentially brings people to church and the faith is a good thing. But I also understand the converse other side, my show all about the whole Bible in full context, not just the loved one another part and leaving out the whole part of Jesus after he washed your feet would have said, go forth and sin no more. Oh, wait a minute. No, no, no, no, no. We can't have all you mean, I got to self reflect. You mean I got to confess. You mean that redemption in order to get redemption to the word repent. You mean I got to consider repenting? Oh, no, no, I just want the all sandals and love part only. But you got to talk about the whole Bible. So your thoughts on that, Ed Rob will start with you this time.
DR. ROBERT STEELE: Well, you know, it's all it still always comes back to, you know, people just activating out their faith to protect their family over time and into the future. That's why a lot of these organizations, you know, asking people to vote their faith, they are nonpartisan. In these places like faith vote with Mike Honkaby, who he represents and Ralph Reed and faith and family and some of these other ones, these are all nonpartisan education organizations to try people to say, hey, vote your faith, take care of your family, protect their future. And of course, you know, on our team, we think, yeah, go ahead because we know virtually all the time they agree with us. But it's all about, you know, the foundational process is being carried forward to the future and giving the next generation the opportunity, you know, to kind of what I would say opportunity they handed us. I mean, it's just the maintenance.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): As is my show, you've heard me a couple of times say, I want to avoid the hyper partisanship stuff and talk to Christians no matter where they are about coming back to the Bible, getting out of the world. If you go back to the full scriptures in full context, we fully believe they're going to vote one way rather than another. But they've got to go down and discover that journey for themselves. I'm not here to beat them over the head of you've got to vote one way or the other, though I do deal in left, right, more than party, because I think the real world and the situations to be biblical forced me into addressing them, unfortunately, at times, right
DREW MCCISSICK: through? Sure. Well, you know, a former Bible teacher of mine said that most of the most well-known scripture is most well-known outside of its context rather than in its context. Amen. Like
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Matthew seven, like Matthew seven, there are 12 other scriptures about judging biblically. Matthew seven really is condemned not lest ye be condemned, just like it's not thou shalt not kill original Latin Hebrew and Aramaic thou shalt not murder. There's a difference.
DREW MCCISSICK: And the context you're talking about the ad to say that ran in the Super Bowl, and I know they've got this ad campaign nationally, and I get that. I can see why people are willing to kind of take, you know, maybe what they can get so to speak when it comes to, you know, something that looks like it's, you know, supportive of Christianity. And I think, you know, sort of in the campaign, basically, Jesus gets us. Yes, he does, because he's God, he understands us. He understands us. He sent his only son to die for us. And further, you know, you have God in human form, meaning he understands because he experienced every potential frailty that we could have. So in that sense, yes, he does. But he also wants us to come to him. And as you point out, then that means something that most folks don't want to think about, which is that, well, that means I get judged, you know, that's it really literally at the bottom line, that's the problem that that radical leftist socialist you you feel in the blank here have with anybody who has any core of a, a sort of core Christian belief to their worldview is that there is an objective standard versus the subjective standard of man. The only two standards out there is either the one you make up yourself or somebody makes up for you, or there is God standard, and God has standards. And so as soon as you begin to talk about him having standards, then we'll suddenly, Oh, no, no, no, no, I don't be right or whatever. And I might be judging. I don't like that. So I'll go over here to this church where the as someone call it the the church of what's happening now, you know, the I'm okay. Okay, church. They put a lot of people in pews for a while, and people get, you know, a little of nothing out of us a little like cotton candy, you know, and as you mind you that scripture, and I forget if this was Paul or Peter talking about, you know, heaping unto themselves, teachers having itching ears. In other words, tell me something smooth, something easy, you know, don't give me the hard stuff, you know, the right of my life in any way.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Right. They only want the lovey-dovey touchy-feely Jesus. Cut out all that other inconvenience stuff.
DREW MCCISSICK: That brings this kind of full circle here to the beginning of this conversation, in my opinion. And that is our personal accountability and responsibility. What we do with the self-government that God has blessed us with in this country and to the extent that we don't do anything with it, we don't participate in it. We absolutely hear on this earth get more to complain about. It's one of the few guarantees in life that you don't participate, you're probably going to have something more to complain about. But further, we have something we're going to be accountable for one day. And so folks sitting in churches, pastors who have people sitting in churches, talk about the accountability that we have for what we've been given. And then as a result of that,
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): what should we do? Amen. Amen. And I'm going to start to wrap this up. Rob, I'm going to start with you with the last question of if you were to have me ask any question I had yet to ask,
DR. ROBERT STEELE: what would it be and the answer? But it's mainly, you know, people just getting information from themselves and focusing on what's going on in their own lives regarding their faith and morality and what they want to do for their family. And you know, somebody had mentioned earlier about, you know, the basis of our society being the family and that's absolutely true. And that's what, you know, I happen to be a son of the American Revolution and the Union Veterans, sorry, Drew, Union veterans of the Civil War. But, you know, all the great wars. And, you know, when I think about the sacrifices and the them, you know, the day my dad finished high school going off to join the Navy and that kind of stuff. And I think about those things and we're in our comfortable life here ignoring this incredible history that has been handed to us. You know, when we look at our society over time, you know, I heard a very, very historian say, it's like a candle and a giant auditorium and everybody's trying to blow it out. And where that light in that candle of society trying to pass it on. And, you know, the faith community has to involve to help protect that and shield that plane and let it be carried forward.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Yeah, before you answer, Drew, I want to interject on another show where I brought someone on to talk Christian, Christian and secular movies, but mainly Christian movies. We got into that point here. I think bottom line, we're still striving for the question of the rapture came up. Christian sex, believe it, Christian sex do not. That's the devil delving in to divide. We need to focus right, Drew, on those things that we can draw together on, not the Protestant versus Lutheran versus Catholic versus what are those things biblically, we indeed all can come together and agree on.
DREW MCCISSICK: The most fundamental element of it to me is the fact that, you know, it goes back to building on what I said a minute ago, and that is that there is an objective standard. Everything about, you know, left ism that we experience in this country today that we have experienced the direction that they go is by virtue of there being a subjective standard in life, you know, that your rights come from man then and not God if this is objective standard, we'll go back to our Declaration of Independence, recognize that they were in down by a creator, not by Congress with certain inalienable rights, okay, or not even by a Constitution with inalienable rights. So that's the first most fundamental thing that everybody from a Catholic, a Lutheran to an independent Baptist, a Presbyterian, a Pentecost will should be able to rally around. There's an objective standard of right and wrong, it proceeds not from us, it proceeds from God, and you know, we can quibble about small details, but what the left is talking about now is not small details, we're talking fundamentals now, and I would further point out one last thing, and that is that what we are talking about here, and the things that I try to talk about with when it comes to faith engagement in general, it's not about getting Christians involved in politics, and this is the way that the left usually phrases, that's not what we're talking about. I mean, everybody's not involved in politics, I am, this is what I do for living, but I'm weird, you know, this is coming up that time.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): I've heard that about you, Drew, you're weird, yeah.
DREW MCCISSICK: Well, up here is the political junkie, he's been involved a long time. Everybody does have time to be a political junkie, you know, you've got lives, we understand that. We're not talking about Christians getting too involved or involved in politics, we're talking about Christians engaging in the culture, engaging specifically in civics, in their government, at its root, simply being registered to vote and voting in every election, and when you vote, vote your biblical value. That's it. Now, that is the baseline to me of minimal acceptable behavior. That's the minimum we need, and if everybody did that, we would not be here right now talking about the need for this conversation. So, starting out at that level, and then to whatever degree their interests may take them and they feel that led by the war to get engaged in, maybe they need to run for school board one day, run for something else, that's fine. Everybody doesn't need to do that by far, maybe you need to help somebody do it. I mean, a lot of different things that you can do, you don't need to be a full-time political activist, you need just to do a little bit more than what you're doing right now. And that's the
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): secret. Yeah, and I think that's a good place that we conclude you brought up something we can all agree on. True is weird.
DR. ROBERT STEELE: Something we won't be able to agree on, but although for Groundhog Day is the best religious movie.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): All right, thank you all for joining, Rob. Dr. Rob, thank you. And also Drew, send us a palette of hot chocolate. It's cold up here.

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Eliminate the Penny?

Good, Bad, InDifferent? Let's examine all the angles...

The dumbest of recent dumb ideas and peeps ignoring the oft ignored Slippery Slope forewarnings that indeed often materialize later as foreseen

I get it - this does fall potentially under “waste” of the “waste, fraud, abuse” we’re trying to root out and I’ve written several pieces in support of DOGE (several here on SUBSTACK and several over on BeforeItsNews) but wrong solution (Government again likely making things from bad to worse) to the issue….

[from a Truth-Social interaction follows]Trump announced that it costs more (some saying $0.02 others saying $0.03 (regardless the exact overage NOT the point of this piece, let’s stay focused)) to make a new Penny and that he may potentially want to STOP MAKING PENNIES… My response, a response to my response, then my final closing thoughts response to that response, and then some even other thoughts this topic begs question too (if you follow that LOL)….

MY RESPONSE (#PrinciplesNotPersonalities) TO POTUS47’s THOUGHTS:

LOVE @RealDonaldTrump, does not mean I CHECK MY BRAIN AT THE DOOR and just surrender any/all Principles/Values to "just rah rah rah" whatever he wants - HE IS HUMAN, like us all, frail, flawed, imperfect, and subject to some DUMB IDEAS at times (like potentially eliminating the Penny (change it from Cooper, to tin painted cooper color or whatnot) and rushing in MARK OF THE BEAST Digital Currency)... #PrinciplesNotPersonalities

Oh, and YES, sure, HELP BRING IN THE MARK OF THE BEAST helping Left eliminate ALL PAPER/COIN CURRENCY with Digital that the Govt can then SEE EVERY TRANSACTION and TURN OFF YOUR ABILITY TO USE if you do not TOE THE CURRENT GOVT LINE. That is what is coming. It is STUPID to not understand that eventually Govt will TAKE OVER all controls of any/all Digital Currency for such control.

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RESPONSE TO MY RESPONSE TO POTUS47:

I must agree about not eliminating the penny…makes no sense having a certain amounts of money that one is unable to use, in order to keep an honest amount upon a good or service ….now as for stopping printing of them, if there are enough in circulation, of any denomination, don’t stamp/print more…. In capitalism having an exact amount that can be represented by a money, is keeping it real…but the representation of exact worth has been forsaken for tricking the consumer(like charging $xx.99, as an optical illusion), just as the definition of capitalism has been perverted … there is a much deeper meaning in all of this, just as in most everything else… there will always be criminals but why take the option of being honest away, by not allowing one to price something at its perceived value….

ME AGAIN:

Thanks for chiming inPART of the issue here is so darn many people have a PENNY JAR or whatever and so darn many Pennies are actually out of circulation why so many People have them laying about their dwelling until they get around to deciding to Roll them and take to the Bank - well, more-so now, along with other coins to a CoinStar as everyone now is too lazy bother roll any Coins. LOL

And, again, see the SLIPPERY SLOPE thing, time after time Slippery Slope warnings are made ignored and then low-and-behold WE TOLD YOU SO when the ball keeps rolling further downhill. In this case, if you take away one coin then the argument EASILY becomes the WHY NOT ALL and just go Digital (and the whole MARK OF THE BEAST warnings ignored which can quickly become real if you give them power of all digital and can turn on/off based on Regime desires to force folks to TOE THEIR LINE).

And about that Harriet Tubman Bill

Brief aside, I wrote on this somewhere as part of another discussion, apologize as I am having a BRAIN FREEZE and cannot think of the piece so-as to be able to link. BUT: It is about time #Republican #Abolitionist Hero Harriet have a US Currency Bill of HER OWN - not a rework.

During the GWBush (R) admin it was put into Policy that Harriet was to replace “Trail Of Tears” Andrew Jackson (D) on the $20 Bill. Left kept delaying it during W’s terms, obaMAO killed it, Trump 1st term tried revive it which #demoKKKrats again opposed, and now after #BIDENflation since $20 is not worth what it used to be time to consider creating a $25 or $75 Bill with Harriet on it - which can just go under the Business tills (like the $50’s and $100’s are all currently stored until shift-change time and time to balance the Register funds). THIS REMOVES ANY OF THE BOGUS OBJECTIONS and excuses Left/demoKKKrats can have!Funny ironic in the HYPOCRITICAL way how The Left #CommieFasciSocies-ocrats constantly point to “Trail of Tears” as one of the supposed “proofs” that America IS BAD, was bad, always been bad, remains bad, therefore why they want DESTROY the most Free and Prosperous Nation on the Planet REPUBLIC to bring in bits and pieces (blended bastardization of all the worst of the worst Political philosophies failed everywhere (including already on American soil (Why Left doesn’t want History taught as the Bradford Colony originally tried Communism/Socialism and they all almost starved out as more and more wanted be carried in cart for their “equal shares” of everything while doing little or nothing until there were not enough people to pull all those trying to lazily ride in the cart; Atlas Shrugged; Bradford pivoted from Worldly Communism back to Biblical FREE WILL Freedoms and Private Property ownership, Free Markets, Supply-Side-Economics, Individual Rights over “collectivist” failings, etc., and the Rest was/is History (again Left doesn't want taught)) creating #INEPTocracy #MOBocracy #CLEPTocracy on their way to their ultimate goal of ONE PARTY RULE like China, Russia, Dictatorial regimes around the Globe.

Oh... hey... update.... found one mention... it was/is from Social-Media posts about topic and my WE THE PEOPLE DEMAND LIST drafting...

Remember Contract With America? Well Here Is the started the We the People (post-election) Demand ListLast Update: Tue. Nov. 12 2024 15:45EThttps://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2024/11/remember-contract-with-america-well-here-is-started-the-we-the-people-post-election-demand-list-3706876.html

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35) A brand new US Currency Bill for HARRIET TUBMAN Act.In the late 1990's the GOP (you know, The Party formed as the Abolitionists Party to end Slavery) started talking about enacting Harriet Tubman (Abolitionist, Underground Railroad Hero, more) to replace Wilson on the US $20 Paper-Currency-unit. Those who have always tried to DUMB DOWN Americans (see other sections here-in) and fearing People might actually then become Educated/Informed about her years and that part of our History (The REAL History, not the more modern watered-down and/or rewritten versions) via the DeepState insiders in Dept. Of Treasury, stalled, delayed, ignored the Congressional input and Presidential Orders and it never happened by the end of GWBush's 2nd term as was mandated. President obaMAO (more interested in Cultural Marxism, and CCP history than USA's) completely ignored the effort. By time of Trump's first-term the concept basically forgotten.

Time to SCRAP THE $20 SWAP, time instead to create HARRIET TUBMAN Act to declare creation (with Inflation of the Biden years, this really makes sense) instead replace Wilson create NEW $75 US CURRENCY Paper-Money-piece to fill the gaps of the lessor and lessor (buying power) of our $50 and even our $100 Currency-Paper-units. Along with ORDERS for Treasury and US Mints to plan/prepare for printing of $500 and $1,000 Bills again. Or, at least, a new $25 Monetary unit-of-measure in our Currency with Harriet on it - what RACIST (and wanting our History erased, not promoted) reason will the Left try employ to block this THIS TIME?!?!? With today's anti-Counterfeit Tech this is a NO-BRAINER.

Addresses multiple fronts/issues: Education, Monetary, etc....

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semi-related: https://tinyurl.com/LastChristmasReview (also discussion of HARRIET (about H. Tubman) and OVER-COMER movies)

Also related, cross-posted to BeforeItsNews “Personal Finance” category (will makes sense why, if you read the “additions” to the piece added at/in that new piece): https://beforeitsnews.com/personal-finance/2025/02/time-to-revisit-the-harriet-tubman-on-us-currency-idea-again-2448031.html

BONUS MATERIAL ABOVE from: SUBSTACK "Eliminate the Penny? Good, Bad, Ugly, all sides examined" [See original piece at: https://jlenarddetroit.substack.com/p/eliminate-the-penny-good-bad-indifferent , for referenced links, images, and embedded videos.]

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