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CTP (S2EAprSpecial6) Paper Over Power: Defending Liberty Through Affidavit Law

April 30, 2025 • Joseph M. Lenard • Season 2

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CTP (S2EAprSpecial6) Paper Over Power: Defending Liberty Through Affidavit Law
Kirk Beck reveals how ordinary citizens can use the "power of paper" to hold government accountable to constitutional principles through proper documentation and affidavits. He demonstrates how this approach has helped him win multiple legal cases without attorneys by forcing officials to respond to allegations of constitutional violations.
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• Understanding the difference between statutory jurisdiction and common law in the courtroom
• Using certified mail and properly formatted affidavits to create a paper trail that officials must address
• Jack and Margie Flynn's affidavit process has reportedly achieved over 10,000 victories in six decades
• The importance of pre-trial motions to properly introduce constitutional arguments in court
• Kirk's forthcoming book "Officer Hansen: Compassion in Blue" about respectful policing techniques
• How Kirk's experience with a "passive rebel" student taught him valuable lessons about accountability
• The fundamental principle that authority flows from the people, not from government officials
• To learn how to effectively use this process in your own interactions with government get Kirk's free affidavit template at affidavitsecret.com/detroit
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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show

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JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Hello everyone, I have with me today Kirk Beck, aka Captain Kirk. No, not William Shatner or Patrick Stewart or... Oh, I forget the guy from Quantum Leap. I really loved him in the enterprise version of Captain Kirk. But none of them Kirk Beck. And we'll get into why he's here. But first I had asked him how he was doing and he went into a story of how he was out campaigning today and also a story about how he'd been to Detroit since his Detroit base. So let's let him go into that. How you doing today Kirk?
KIRK BECK: I'm doing well. Boy, you've got a lot of energy there. I'm going to enjoy this I can tell.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): So you are out campaigning for who?
KIRK BECK: Well, David Serp is running for Congress out here in the 39th congressional district and we're trying to convey to people it's not left, it's not right, it's uniting together on the things that we should share in common. Michael, why aren't we dealing with water? We have a drought in California?
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Mostly self-induced by any policy, but yes. So yeah, I agree. And I like what Reagan said. I put it in my Christitucilist book in the intro of why I was inspired to write it. Reagan, I created the Christitucilist term because left, right, conservative, liberal, all have negative connotations to them now. So I created Christitucilist politics. Are you a Christian? Then here is survival and how it should apply. Right? Full context, not warping one scripture or another. And Reagan said, I don't want to hear left, right? I want up, down. And I agree with them. Does it lift up we the people or does it lift up the government and downtrodden our rights? I agree. Sounds like you agree.
KIRK BECK: You preach it. You did a good job. I could listen to you for a while.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): And also while you were in the green room before I hit record, you were in Detroit. Go ahead and give us that story.
KIRK BECK: Wow, I'll tell you, I started writing a book 10 years ago about a fictional police officer who loves people and treats everybody with respect. And I made these stories up for my son because it's always been ever since the Vietnam War. I've been very anti-war. And my wife would say, you need to write a book on that. I said, well, I would like to write it, but I don't think it's all that practical. I don't know if there really are cops like that. And by Providence, I found Dale Brown in Detroit. And Dale Brown was running an organization then called TAC, or, well, I'll get the name in a minute because he sent sold their company. I got another one. But basically, it was threat management center, Detroit. So I found out about him. I flew all the way out to Detroit and wanted to ride with him for one day. And he taught me so much about respect for individuals. He gave me classic examples that help people understand how this works. And Dale Brown had a website at the time, and he had seven police officers from the Detroit PD. I think six of them were African American. And they all said the same thing. Why were we not trained like this? Because if we were trained like this, we wouldn't have so many problems. We wouldn't have so many people getting shot. We wouldn't have so many lawsuits.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Okay. Well, we are a law fair society. Somebody will always claim they're a victim, whether they are or not, and try to sue for money. And I have in the notes here. So I take it. This is leading to and is soon to publish Officer Hanson compassion in blue.
KIRK BECK: What we're getting to. That's true. It's done. It just needs to be published. And I'm working through some things with professional writers because I really would like this book not to be dragged down by my inability to maybe put a good narrative together. Because I've got tremendous information in the book. Many things that have happened to me personally over the many years that I've been in court. Also, I'm a police officer, friends that I've had who share the same kind of respect for human life that I do. That all this came together in the book. And I think the book is going to be a great help to many, many people. I modeled it after Black Beauty by Anna Sewell. All my chapters are very short. And each chapter has some purpose, some understanding of law or human kindness that will make it a very easy book to read.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Could read a chapter probably in 10 minutes. I think you're going about it right in my how to write a book and get it published hints and techniques book. I say that, you know, the same right about what you know. Use personal experience when and where you can and fictionalize it. So you did that right. Also, you mentioned you didn't steal source material, but you borrowed someone's style. You patterned a bit after somebody. And that is intelligent. That's not theft, that's homage. And in fact, I hope you will throw a shout out to her in that book in your book saying you were inspired in part by that. She deserves, you know, a bit of credit for inspiring you in part your writing style. But at any rate, and people who know the show at any rate should not go and joke. I say it all the time. It's like, you know, it's like a as an um, I do at any rate as a segue saying it's an ongoing gag now. So indeed at any rate, we jumped into nitty gritty. What's backpedal to the original usual first question before we get to your book, How to Parent the Passives Rebel. Who like, you know, the who song? Who are you? Who? Who? Who? Give us the four one year old enough to know what 411 means. Give us the 411 where you were born raised, where you're at now, all that kind of stuff.
KIRK BECK: Born in 1949 in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. I'm a Dakota and a group in a city of about 80,000 people know Hispanics, two black families in the whole city. And that very diverse, right? The boy, the boy that we love those guys because they were great athletes. They were great athletes.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Yeah, you wanted them on your basketball team. Not to be stereotypical, but indeed, you know, I don't know them. So don't get on me about the statement. But I mean, that's there are stereotypes for a reason, right? So you're in Christiano state. And again, I mentioned not very diverse diversity if used in the real sense is not a four letter word. It is just how the left use it by just skin tone related, never diversity of thought that is kind of bad. But anyway, I'm sorry, I interrupt to go on.
KIRK BECK: Okay, so I went to school and graduated an engineering degree from South Dakota Tech. I got the opportunity to play football there for four years and actually played in a game that was later called the upset of the decade. Later on, I found out they actually in the in Rapid City, South Dakota, they went up, they up to the upset of the century. What a wonderful thing to be able to play in such a one in a football game like that. And remember these many 52 years later. So I graduated. I went to work for Shell Oil Company. I lived in Denver, Colorado for a couple of years. I got married and lived in four columns, Colorado for about 10 more years. And had three young boys, all of them were born. Two of them were born in Colorado. The third one was born in California. I've been in California now for about 37 years. I hastened to tell people California has 58 counties. And most of them are red. And we have 40 plus sheriffs that don't have any time for our governor.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): They resist him as best they can. And what I often tell people, oh, you're you're North. You're Burgum then. I said, no, my thought you said you're North Dakota. No, no, I South Dakota. There's a Christina. Yes. Okay. I thought you said him, which made me think Burgum then. Okay, I'm sorry. I got myself confused. I apologize.
KIRK BECK: Well, I'm out here in California now with Gavin Newsom. And he's a real nuisance. And we deal with him all the time. But as an example, oh my gosh, so sorry about that. We got to turn this thing off. I'll turn that off. Oh, that's all right. My phone rings all the time during records. I should say it happened. Can't always remember to turn them off before. Well, it's off. Okay, so I want it. By the way, before I go any father, I want to say that I have a free gift to anybody who is at the end of this.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): This interview that I'd like to give them. And I'll talk about that a little bit later. I'll I made a note. We'll be sure to get to that at the end.
KIRK BECK: So it was when I was in California, I have always been a person who is very curious. Maybe I should have gone to law school. Well, I did go to law school for one semester, but I didn't like the kind of law that I was learning. But I've always had a real interest in politics and the law. And especially something called American exceptionalism. It is not the American people. It is a system of government that our founding fathers gave us that is unique in the history of the world. And it wasn't until I found myself in court on as a part of a jury. And I was there and I was sitting right behind the defendant. And the defendant was making an objection and the judge was very, very blunt with him. He said, sir, you had an opportunity to have an attorney you've chosen not to have an attorney. Therefore, you have to know all the rules. He's scolding him in front of all of us. But the the entire time that he's being scolded, the defendant is shaking his head very negatively. So I've been in court enough times to recognize I might know what's going on here. Two days later, I'm on the jury selection. And the judge makes his standard three caveats. And the one that I remember is the one where he said the fact that the defendant is judge is defending himself against 17. Oh my God, Bellonies. Would that inhibit you from making a a just verdict? Well, I didn't say anything. But as soon as he got done, he said, you're number 14. I see by your body language, you might have some problems with what's going on here. And for five minutes, he allowed me to elaborate. After which he said, I think we need to take a short break. And when it came back, he said the juror 14, you can leave. Hey, you've already tainted the other jurors. Right? Right? I got I got what I wanted to have said. I knew I wasn't going to be on this jury because I always ask questions on the usual, though, I came back the next day. And sat right behind the defendant. I wanted to get the jury's attention. Like, what's this guy doing in here again? He was supposed to go home. And I went out to lunch with the defendant. And I found out that he had actually gone out with an attorney to see if they could work together. He didn't want to give up his right to defend himself. He knows, like I know, like you probably know, that when you have an attorney in the courtroom, you have given up your right to talk. You are rendered incompetent by the by the court. And the attorney does all the speaking in your behalf. Put her bad. And it's not always good. He did not want that. So he went out to talk with the attorney, see if they could work together. He came back into the courtroom. The judge asked the attorney, well, can you work together? And the attorney totally blindsided him by saying this. You're on or based upon my conversation with a defendant. I highly recommend a full psychiatric evaluation.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Wow. Wow. What happened to attorney client privilege? He didn't pay him yet, but they were talking that still should have applied.
KIRK BECK: So I'm talking further with the defendant. And I found out that I was right. He didn't want to give up his ability to speak in his behalf. But then he said this. I'm trying to defend myself based upon the constitutional principles that I'm learning from Jack and Margie Flynn. Well, I don't know who they are. Well, 10 years later, I'm a student of Jack and Margie Flynn and their affidavit process, which we call the power of paper. And we've used this effectively. I personally have used it effectively five times over the last six years. And Jack and Margie Flynn have said, and now I believe, and they've been doing this for six decades. They have over 10,000 victories. Now, I'm happy to go into my victories one at a time. I don't know that we've got all day to do that, right? Yeah. I can fly through them very quickly. Okay. But so here I am in California living in a most regulated state in the union. It's crazy in many respects. But as I said earlier, we have a lot of good sheriffs. We've got a lot of good people. And we believe that with the understanding of using the law, basically without attorneys and just holding government accountable to their oaths of office and to the higher law, the constitution, we can affect great changes. And we're trying to do here in Riverside is change one county to basically being a constitutional county, not because the governments did something, but because we the people know the law. And we the people are the bosses. If we bother to get off our butts and exert that authority. Yes. Exactly. It's not they the elect that it's we the people. And when we the people are armed with the law and can use it judiciously, then we can gain great latitude and increase in liberty wherever we are. So I applied the Margie and Jack technique with just a traffic ticket. I went to court. Well, what I did is I wrote the police officer a nice letter and explained what he did wrong. But I sent it certified mail. Right. You got to have you got to have that paper trail. Yes. Right. Plus he's not used to getting letters period from somebody who gives a ticket for a rolling stop. But then he asked the sign for it. That's really unusual. He read my letter probably didn't think too much of it. But then I did step two. I took my letter and basically turned it into an affidavit. And this affidavit says two things, one at the beginning and one at the end where we're notifying the officer or the government official or the corporate CEO that they're going to be able to get out of the door. That they have a responsibility to answer the affidavit and remember you're under oath. Not only because you took an office, but also because any affidavit has to be sworn before a notary to be true. Otherwise you could be subject to perjury. So I specified exactly what the officer did wrong at the stop and 90 almost all traffic stops violate certain rules of the law. So I put that in there. And then I told him and either the key words you have 30 days to rebut with particularity specific to what I put into my affidavit. Otherwise everything in it can be used against you. Officer so longer in any court in the United States. Now when he gets that by certified mail and he signs for it and he looks at it. Now I am pretty sure that he runs that up to legal. And legal takes a look at it and legal basically comes back and says we got bigger fish to fry than this guy. Just let him go. It's not worth the hassle. So I went to court with my witness. I always take a witness whenever I go to court. And I watched the, oh here comes the deputy. Good. We're going to have not going to be one of those that I win by default. I'm going to win this time because he's here. And he walked in and he looked at me and he gave something to the bailiff. The bailiff gave it to the judge. The judge looked at me and said, Mr. Beck, are you here? Yes, Mr. Beck, you may leave your case has been dropped. Okay, now I walked out and I realized, hey, these two people, Margie and Jack Flynn, they know what they're talking about because this just saved me $240. And I had to have something notarized and had that it certified mail.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Yeah, couple bucks here and there. But all of this is indeed describing the importance of power of paper, as you said, because if you had just gone to court and tried to argue all those things, they're just going to blow you off.
KIRK BECK: Exactly as I've done four or five times previously. As I tell people, I'm a recidivist when it comes to rolling stops. I just can't stop not stopping. So I've never had a speeding ticket in my life. I don't drink so you don't have to worry about DUI. Like just like, but I have a problem with stopping when I look 50 yards that way and 50 yards out there, but nothing to be seen. Right? I'm with you on that. I'm with you, especially the, especially the cop who's hiding. You can't see him either. But he put the light on you and this started back in Colorado many, many years ago with my first rolling stop. And every time I go to court and I try to fight with whatever different means I try, I always try to appeal to the Constitution. But they don't listen to you without the paper.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Where there's a paper trail. It's in evidence. Now, as opposed to the transcript that nobody's going to pay attention to either.
KIRK BECK: Right. Now, there's a special sentence in the Declaration of Independence that I always bring with me to these interviews. Thomas Jefferson wrote, quote, he speaking of the king. He has combined with others speaking of the colonial governors and parliament. He combined with others has subjected us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution. That's not the United States Constitution because that came 11 years later. Jefferson is talking about the common law. Subjected us to a jurisdiction, on acknowledged by our laws and given his assent to acts of pretended legislation. Get this. There is such a thing as color of law. There's such a thing as legislation that's not constitutional. Therefore, it's not law. It's a statute. When I went into court those many times, I went into statutory jurisdiction.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): And just as the ordinances also are not law. There are ordinances and different.
KIRK BECK: They can become law, but they're not necessarily law until they adjudicated to be constitutionally valid. And most of our statutes are not. Whenever you're in court where there's not a victim, you're in the statutory jurisdiction. You might ask, why am I here? There's no criminal. There's no crime. There's no victim. I was in court one time and I said that your honor, the police officer cannot fill out a verifiable complaint. Yes, he can. No, he can't. Yes, he can. I'm saying he can and he did and that's the law in my courtroom. And I got upset, but she's totally right. I'm in statutory jurisdiction. Under statutory jurisdiction, that police officer can write a verifiable complaint. But under common law, he cannot. Only a human being breathing with blood flowing in their veins can fill out a verifiable complaint in common law jurisdiction. So I tell people I learn law by doing law. I go to court and sometimes I lose. Sometimes, well, most of the time I lose. Not anymore, but I used to lose all the time. And I was in court one time on a misdemeanor because this is the case. I had one of my rolling stop tickets and I was so upset with it that I didn't pay the fine. So they suspended my license and now I got another rolling stop. And now it's a misdemeanor and I'm in court with an actual district attorney over there. And she's coming after me. Well, she made a couple of mistakes herself and I brought one to the judge's attention. And he said, okay, you're going to have to explain that more. So I began to explain it and he let me go for a while and they said, no, wait a minute, we're going to have to stop right there. Now, I said, I go to court to learn law. This judge, he had no necessity to do this. But he must have made a little bit impressed with what I was saying because he said this, Mr. Beck, you make some very good points. Nevertheless, that's not why we're here today. You should have brought that up by way of a pretrial motion. There you go. That's where you bring the common law.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): And again, the power of the paper, the pretrial motion could have and should have done in writing. And I could see how knowledgeable you are and we could talk about this for probably six hours. But I try to keep my shows to around 30 minutes so people will actually listen. So we've let their whistle. So we'll get to how people can reach out. And you mentioned Jack and Marty Flynn's information. They could check into that, of course. But so before I get on to, because I want to touch on how to parent the passive rebel. But before I do, I want to remember for those looking at the behind the scenes video. Yes, you see me wearing my never forget 9 11. That is because we are recording during the week of 9 11, even though this will air later. And the other thing is I got to try to say when you're in a whole stop digging, well, I got to try to dig my whole out of the basketball comment. All I'm saying is that it's anecdotal. But me as a white dude growing up all the black friends I had and people I've ever known that are black have always been indeed better basketball players. So yes, you know, I threw out the stereotype and it's certainly not always true if you get an oracle. He's probably not a good basketball player. So, but again, please, I mean, can we be reasonable here? But I'm saying this as a way of an apology and an explanation because I know the internet, somebody will, oh my God, did you hear what he said? Right, kind of thing. But anyway, now that I've got that out of the way, tell us about how to parent the passive rebel.
KIRK BECK: My desire was to write the book about Officer Hanson. But I needed to learn how to write books. So I got online and I found one of these organizations that help you go through the process of self publishing. Like my heart, like my how to write a book and get it published. Yeah. Well, I, I wanted to learn how to do this. And then the process, they said, we want you to write a book, a very short book. Well, I had something rest, you know, that I've carried with me for 40 years as a teacher. I ran a private school back in Colorado. And I had this wonderful young man in my class named Doug. And Doug taught me that the Bible's true. The Bible has great application. Amen. Thanks for sharing that on, especially on this show. Yeah. Well, Doug was a passive rebel. He came to class every day and he had all these different magic tricks that he was working on. Rubik's cube. And I kept confiscating them. And he was in my school in the school. We were the students had individual curriculum. And they had modules in science, history, Bible, mathematics and English. And they were supposed to get a module done at least one week in all not each subject, but at least one module every week. Doug had been in the classroom for 17 weeks and he got five modules done. I went to the pastor and I said, this is almost like theft. We're taking money from the parents. He's not doing anything. I want this, this young man. I want him disenrolled. The pastor got the mother in. She started crying and the pastor came back and said, no, I want to keep him in there. I said, okay, I've been thinking about this. I'll keep him in the school under one condition that Monday night, Tuesday night, Wednesday night and Thursday night, he goes home with me. And there's only one rule. According to the Bible, if a man does not work, neither does he eat. Amen. So it's unwilling. Unwilling versus unable. Yes. So I've dug, doesn't get his work done. He doesn't eat. And then I'll make sure he doesn't eat. When he goes home and I took Doug home with me and he went all day long. I said, Doug, if you want to play with your Rubik's Cube all day long, I don't care because the rule is and you know what the rule is. Yeah, that's fine. So it's seven o'clock at night. I'm sitting with my family at home and I said, Doug, do you have your work done? No. Well, Doug, you can't eat. I'm not hungry. What? Okay. So six o'clock in the morning. I got up. And I took a seat right next to the refrigerator and about six, 10 outcomes. Doug. And he didn't say hi. He went right to the refrigerator. Because I told him I said, this is your house. You come here or anything, the refrigerator is fine. Go ahead and have what you want. I said, Doug, is your work done? No. I said, well, Doug, you know the rule. Yeah, but I'm hungry. Yeah, I know you're hungry, so you better get your work done. And he went back to his room. I took him to school with me at nine o'clock in the morning, brought everything to me. We checked it. Yep, it's all done. I said, Doug, the lady's waiting for you down in the lunch hall. So go down there and eat. That was it. I think I had one other time in the seven weeks that Doug's lived with me. And he always went home with his family on the weekend. And of course he never got anything done on the weekend. Because they were enablers. Yes, exactly. So, but it worked perfectly. In, I think the seven or eight weeks that he was with me, he got 14 or 15 modules done. Because he was really quite an intelligent young man. He just didn't have initiatives. And once we put him in gear, he worked out just fine. And I think, well, how many people, because in my book, I point out five things you don't want to do.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): The worst things you can do. And I said, the worst one of all is ignore it. Just ignore it. Right. Right. A lot of parents just ignore the problem. Yeah. They just let Johnny go to school and get and learn anything. Well, both of these books sound like something. I definitely recommend people get the currently available, right? How do parents to pass this rebel and coming officer, Hampton compassion in blue? But I do not want to do that. I do indeed want to wrap it up. So the proverbial, you know, required last question. Where do people reach you? And of course, the add in of the free gift.
KIRK BECK: Okay, let's the free gift will be a template of the affidavit that I use with some descriptions as to how to use it. You can get that at affidavit secrets.com forward slash Detroit. So we'll know that came people came from this show. Yeah. And you got your first customer before this will leave an air. Okay, so be it. So that's how you can get that book. Well, not the book. That's how you'll get in touch with us and begin the process of learning how to use the affidavit process because quite frankly, if this snowballs across America, government is going to be very wary of stepping outside the box. Yeah.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): Because we can win with the power of people. Yeah. Yeah. And that's the problem. Again, as we both said, we, the people are the real bosses and we got to stop being so lazy and refusing like Doug to have any initiative to do anything for themselves.
KIRK BECK: A lot of it is also a lack of courage. We seem to have a frightful condition regarding government. We don't want to contend with it. My gosh, the country was birthed because men and women were willing to bleed for liberty.
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST): And that's why we're seeing more and more tyranny here. We refuse to nip it in the buzz and just keep letting it grow. Oh, well, why not use paper rather than guns. Amen. I'm. Was he on the ass? Absolutely. The paper of the ballot, when and where we can and the power of paper through the affidavit. Thank you, Captain Kirk back for coming on the show. I really, this was very informative. I've heard some of these things in a different way. I like the way you laid it out. And I really appreciate. I hope the listeners will to that free offer to help get them started.

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