CTP (S3EJunSpecial2) Trauma to Transformation w/ Shirley Buck

CTP (S3EJunSpecial2) Trauma to Transformation w/ Shirley Buck
Shirley Buck shares her remarkable journey from severe childhood trauma and abuse to becoming a mindset coach and author, illustrating how alternative healing methods changed her life when traditional therapy wasn't her path forward.
• Born to deaf parents in Chicago, becoming their "ears and voice" at a very young age
• Survived her alcoholic mother's suicide attempt that also targeted Shirley when she was 13
• Experienced homelessness, addiction, and eating disorders throughout her teen years
• Chose self-help books and mindset transformation over traditional therapy and medication
• Founded Red Leaf Alternative Healing to help others transform their mindset through a 12-week coaching program
• Published "Sweet Freedom Whispered in My Ear," a book sharing her story with tools for healing
• Emphasizes taking personal accountability rather than blaming circumstances or others
• Found healing through music that helped her feel less alone during her darkest moments
• Planning two future books on parenting after abuse and trauma, and dating after abuse and trauma
• Believes self-love is essential to healing: "Everyone deserves happiness, everyone deserves love"
Connect with Shirley at ShirleyBuck.com  

Chapters

• 0:38 Welcome to Christitutionalist Politics Podcast
• 5:47 Shirley's Background and Trauma Story
• 15:24 Alternative Approaches to Healing
• 21:59 Taking Ownership of Your Journey
• 31:33 Music as a Healing Force
• 39:52 Sweet Freedom and Future Books
• 45:08 Final Thoughts on Self-Love

Transcript

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CTP (S3EJunSpecial2) Trauma to Transformation w/ Shirley Buck
Shirley Buck shares her remarkable journey from severe childhood trauma and abuse to becoming a mindset coach and author, illustrating how alternative healing methods changed her life when traditional therapy wasn't her path forward.
• Born to deaf parents in Chicago, becoming their "ears and voice" at a very young age
• Survived her alcoholic mother's suicide attempt that also targeted Shirley when she was 13
• Experienced homelessness, addiction, and eating disorders throughout her teen years
• Chose self-help books and mindset transformation over traditional therapy and medication
• Founded Red Leaf Alternative Healing to help others transform their mindset through a 12-week coaching program
• Published "Sweet Freedom Whispered in My Ear," a book sharing her story with tools for healing
• Emphasizes taking personal accountability rather than blaming circumstances or others
• Found healing through music that helped her feel less alone during her darkest moments
• Planning two future books on parenting after abuse and trauma, and dating after abuse and trauma
• Believes self-love is essential to healing: "Everyone deserves happiness, everyone deserves love"
Connect with Shirley at ShirleyBuck.com  
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Welcome to ChristiTutionalist Politics podcast aka CTP in association with TheLibertyBeacon.com and I am your host Joseph M Lenard and that's L E N A R D   CTP is your no muss no fuss just me you And occasional guest type podcast as Graham Norton would say let's get on with the show 

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JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):   Thank you all for tuning in. Joining me today is Shirley Buck and you all know I can never pass on the lame pun so and she know I already joked with her once on her name right? Shirley you jest and of course the airplane movie don't call me Shirley right? And then Buck Shirley Buck I think was a Truman that had to sign the buck stops here well yeah I forget my name right at CTP the Shirley Buck stops here welcome to the show Shirley. Thank you for having me thank you. First let's start with the down and dirty kneady gritty for us older forks the four that's five four one one for those thing I'm behind to see the whole hand the four one one for those remember when you used to be able to pick up a phone and hit four one one to get operator assistants yeah I don't think that exists anymore you're supposed to look it up on the internet now but where were you born and raised and where are you now and all that stuff and also before that people could see on the behind the scenes I'm wearing my savage done filtered shock caster shirt well rest assured no shocking going on here today I'm calm cool collected no swearing on the show we get a little animated over there but so now we're all the way at any rate born and raised and all that stuff okay well I'm Shirley
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Buck I was born and raised in Chicago I know you're done what's wrong with you
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  the shit I said no swearing but plug the kids ears the shit cargo balls
SHIRLEY BUCK:  that's true no beautiful beautiful state I mean a city sorry I got you all so sure though yes you do is is a beautiful beautiful city it's a clean city it has the lake it's just gorgeous it's gorgeous and you know believe it or not it's a friendly city I've always felt like it was a friendly city we have a bad rap for sure but it is a really nice city I've been in and through
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Chicago many times on the way to like Naperville right Sharonville and stuff like that so yeah downtown Chicago is lovely and obviously certainly much bigger and area than the Detroit downtown which Detroit downtown's lovely unfortunately large swaths of our city still look like he or she master the bomb hit they only help build up downtown they never fix anything in other areas but I heard today way off top but I heard today on the news that they're supposed to be working towards putting in a train line between Detroit Patoskey up to Traverse City which would be wonderful a nice corridor I go to Man of Steel like twice a year so that's great yeah creating nice train corridor from Detroit to Traverse and people visiting up in Traverse to come to Detroit for the day and people in Detroit can get out of town for a day and not have to do that drive but indeed that's way way way off topic my no way right I have my notes here I don't script the show but I do have I want to read a little bit about background information that I got about you which is why you're here says about you I struggled with depression anxiety and low self-esteem for most of my life due to years of severe abuse and trauma and indeed that's why I wanted you here today about overcoming trauma and mindset healing
SHIRLEY BUCK:  yes yes okay so like I said my I was born in Chicago I had deaf parents which in itself you know pause the and cause the challenge right because I was their ears I was their voice at a very young age I was making calls I interpreted their divorce at five years old so I oh but it was normal to me you know if that makes sense well you didn't know only better yeah right right so but that wasn't the trauma my when after the divorce when I was around eight years old my mother became alcoholic and an abusive alcoholic and from the ages of eight to thirteen she was very abusive to me and when I was thirteen she took her life violently and tried to take my life as well which led me to a series of living with different family members living on the streets you know I had addictions I drink I had eating disorders I was everywhere on the scale from 70 pounds to 200 pounds I I mean it how tall are you yes my life was a mess
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  yeah how tall are you for five two yeah in my ex-wife's five four so yeah 70 pounds is awfully light and then the other is then yeah above BMI not obese
SHIRLEY BUCK:  but above BMI right yeah so it it um I went through some very serious struggles and by the time I was 18 I had gotten a job with the steel workers union and I was making good money and I got an apartment and I got you know my life together and then by the time I was 22 I met my fiance and with 23 I was getting married and I was finally in a safe happy place and that's when I had my breakdown I guess I guess when I felt safe my body said okay now you can deal
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  with all everything in a perverse way it makes sense right and and and through
SHIRLEY BUCK:  it all I mean my grandmother always taught me about God so even when I was drinking and doing drugs and stuff I was talking to God I was that my faith did play a good role in it and I I've never did traditional therapy or meds mainly probably because I never had access to it I was a kid that was pretty much a throwaway kid everyone thought she'll never amount to anything she's just been through too much trauma I mean there was physical abuse sexual abuse verbal abuse there was you know so much going on in my life and I just didn't have access to that you know and my dad being deaf was remarried I mean it's it's all in the book but you know what we'll get to in a second right I just want to you know go too much into everything but I will say that my faith did pull me through quite a bit and then when I had the breakdown it was pretty much I was done living or I had to pull it together and I didn't want to go to traditional therapy because that scared the hell out of me I've seen some or that's not a swear word right sorry
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  that's quite all right hey we're all human right like I said on savage gun filter you wouldn't recognize me there's a whole lot of custom going on hold
SHIRLEY BUCK:  different for show over there a double toothpick so I didn't want to talk to somebody that most likely didn't experience the things I'd been through and in my mind I was like they just learned something out of a book on how to treat me and they're not really gonna understand you know empathize and word you know empathy they didn't and I felt like I've seen other people go through therapy and it seemed like they were focusing on the problem focusing on the problem focusing on the problem and then they were given meds to calm down but they're focusing on the problem but they're you know the wise that and I was like that just seems like a vicious circle to me I didn't want to go there and I'm not saying that therapy's wrong for everybody it's not what I'm saying I'm just saying for me I did not want to do that we talked about that on other
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  shows regarding trauma and stress and that yeah what's good for one is it
SHIRLEY BUCK:  necessarily another one me I'm just telling my story of yeah and I'm not a
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  doctor I'm not playing one here and you're not a doctor right playing one here
SHIRLEY BUCK:  right just dealing in our experience and I feel like even in the doctor realm like meds are just pushed to too much and we're the only country that shows commercials of medicine I mean ask your doctor about this yeah yeah yeah that's
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  one thing I disagree with Ronald Reagan on I understand the concept of it but I agree and if I had my druthers we would pass a law to return back to you can't advertise on TV I joke about it before like the big bang theory penny towards the end becomes a pharma rep well that's the way it's supposed to work the doctors learn about the drugs and then if something can fit they discuss it with you versus just my chosenism we got going on oh my god that's my ship you know the symptoms are the same for just about anything right and what you're going to take a hundred pills no we're making people paranoid and then they just
SHIRLEY BUCK:  roll all the side effects that can happen and they're terrible and I'm just yeah or there's there there is so many ways to holistically deal with a lot of the things that you know and labels don't even get me started on labels I think labels are detrimental I think maybe that's what saved me I didn't go to therapy as a child to tell me you you are you know you have PTSD you you are depressed you're manic you're this you're chemically imbalanced I didn't have all that being put inside my head telling me I'm doomed so yeah yeah
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  yeah yeah convention you or something that may or may not necessarily be true because someone in the profession is getting a kickback true even if it is
SHIRLEY BUCK:  true it's not your identity and you can change it that and that's not what they kind of lead you to believe they kind of like you have to keep coming to see me for years and years and I don't know I just I'm just glad I didn't get caught up in that I started to get my hands when I I mean I I didn't I just stopped going to work I stopped going to work I didn't I couldn't lead the house I was a complete mess I couldn't get out of bed I was terrified thinking I was gonna go crazy I was the scariest time of my life and I just started to get my hands I decided I didn't want to die I didn't want to end my life so I wanted to go and learn so I grabbed like I just got my hands on every self-help book on mindset transformation and I'll tell you that started the the reason I had the idea is my grandmother turned me on the Norman Vincent Peele the power of positive thinking when I was a kid so I kind of had at least some of that knowledge of how your mind could actually you you can actually have the same background as someone but perceive it completely different and perception is huge and so I started to learn about mindset and how to change my mindset and the tools and it and it just kept growing over 25 years of studying it then you know everyone was telling me for years write a book write a book write a book and then finally I sat down and wrote a book and then I was like you know what I want to help others who and I have helped individuals who have been through therapy for two or three years and said it's just not working you know yeah
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  my father they say all the time to that there's a difference in like the mindset thing is absolutely right there are substances that indeed can cause a physical withdrawal a physical addiction but as long as you don't have the addiction addictive personality type disorder you can come over
SHIRLEY BUCK:  there's actually a gene that they can tell you when you're born if you do start drinking and drinking a lot you're most likely to become an alcoholic if you don't have that gene you you may or may not you know like you don't have to be coming alcoholic but there are there are some people who actually have the gene that can't fight that and they really need some extensive help so yeah
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  it's interesting it's very interesting yes very indeed as far as modern scientists become in the last hundred years things we say today though maybe snake oil a hundred years from now right as much as we think we know there's a whole lot we don't know and a couple things one quick one for those looking at behind the scenes video they will see a pumpkin over your right shoulder and by the time this airs they're gonna be wondering why did she have a pumpkin out well we're recording around Halloween 2024 so but I know they're not
SHIRLEY BUCK:  coming over tomorrow and I've got the house that's with some Halloween stuff
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  for them yes so that explains that and Alice I just like pumpkins yeah you've got a pumpkin spice latte there with you yes but being since I'm in the Detroit area we and I spoke with someone else on another show about Vincent aka Alice Cooper his talk about Christianity and then kind of falling away but then his faith definitely being a help in him getting over his alcoholism and now that we're kind of on music the next logical segue is Elton John the song Philadelphia freedom which was really about a Billy Billy Jean King and tennis somehow I don't know how but it is funny it says sweet freedom whispered in my ear that's
SHIRLEY BUCK:  not Philadelphia freedom oh I'm saved my life tonight oh yes of course duh yeah
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  wrong song but yes I actually sent him not the other book I don't know got it
SHIRLEY BUCK:  I don't know anything about it but I bought I sent him on and Bernie top in one because that song if we were to listen to it I can take you through it lyric by lyric and it describes tonight my mother died you know you almost had me altar bound not marriage but killed like in a coffin and like the whole song and and that song kind of got me through that time in my life because it was like sweet freedom you're whispered in my ear you're butterfly and butterflies are free to fly and I didn't know that was gonna be a title book book or anything like that but one night after I wrote the book I couldn't come up with a title and I was falling asleep and it just hit me in bed like I was like oh my god it's
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  that's the name of the book you know so I love that because I've spoken to it I'm a suicide attempt survivor myself and I speak to it all the time and in my terror strikes book there's a suicide prevention sub thread in there you never know what tomorrow will bring to you Carpe diem right you may not see the value the meaning the purpose in your life at any given moment but there is
SHIRLEY BUCK:  one yes yes absolutely absolutely and I I just feel that my purpose now and and I'm just transitioning into this you know this role is is to be there for people who've been through trauma and abuse and and maybe not even through trauma and abuse there's someone who came to me and said I just have negative thoughts all the time I'm always down on myself I don't love myself in a but I was almost I almost didn't call you or get on the call with you because I thought well here's someone who went through so much trauma I feel like why am I taught she's gonna feel like why are you complaining me you haven't been through trauma but that's not me I trauma is trauma and and trying to get past negative beliefs or thoughts you know a belief is just a thought that you thought
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  for a very long time right yeah that's that mindset transformation which is in
SHIRLEY BUCK:  sweet freedom whispered in my ear the book yeah the book is my story and at the end of each chapter I write about you know what tools I used to and what or what I learned about going through that particular event in my life so the book is to to show what I've been through and the level of trauma and that in spite of all that I am a happy successful person who is very close to my children my grandchildren I built a life that is worth living I love my life and yeah and
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  if I can do it anyone can you know we can sense the I was gonna joke we could say right happy you seem crabby to me right yeah we could sense I like sesame Street Oscar right yes yes right now yeah we gotta gotta keep a
SHIRLEY BUCK:  sense of humor absolutely absolutely that's super important super important and I'm glad that I have been able to do that right and certainly one planning
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  to go there but Robin Williams comes to mind indeed a lot I had bullseye the clown on my show talking about bullying bullseye bullying right but indeed humor makes a can make a big difference for both the person in depression and everyone else I do that it's behind my humor my lane puns my bad humor my workplace because if I can even get a fake grin out of somebody yeah I know I've helped make somebody's day hopefully just a skosh better and that makes me feel better that gives my life value meaning purpose helping others through the day and like the Pantene commercial if you remember tell two people tell two people sooner either you've got a movement right right fretting joy you we got a movement hopefully absolutely yes hopefully not that kind of the movement but for those on for those on the audio I grabbed my stomach lame lame potty humor you know bathroom humor joke can ever resist anyway back to the serious stuff now go on please
SHIRLEY BUCK:  yeah so it has become you know very important to me and very near to my heart to work with people and to like you said see them smile you know one of the individuals I work with called me and they were just in tears you know and by the you know it's a three month course so I am on the phone with them every week or in a zoom call with them every week throughout the three months and to see them start smiling and and having joy it's just pretty amazing yeah I will I will
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  link back in the show notes to the bullseye the clown episode because indeed he gave a story one time when they were on a mission somewhere you know different language then we're like I think it was might have been Russia but that language barrier so you know he'd get out of rubber chicken and get a smile from somebody on the street that he would otherwise not be able to communicate
SHIRLEY BUCK:  right anything with but he knows it's kind of with deaf people you know there's there's a lot of communication with they're very animated they have a lot of body movement along with the signs and they usually get their point across without someone even knowing sign language so yeah with me and the Italian in me with the hand movement I use my hands too but because I have signed my
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  whole life right yeah well that makes perfect sense well I'm glad I brought up bullseye because again you never know where something will lead into you just kind of flow into it right right that's very true so let's pivot a bit to Red's Leaf alternate healing LLC alternative healing yes yes red lead
SHIRLEY BUCK:  alternative healing um I named it that it goes back to my grandson and my granddaughter and I walking one fall a couple years back and and there was this beautiful red tree and my grandson was just like look at that beautiful red tree and my granddaughter she was really little then and she was looking at it and I picked up a red leaf off the ground and showed it she can I keep this and it just kind of was like oh I'm I'm gonna name my business red leaf because the tree of life and the roots that are grounded and I'm also a Reiki master so trees are my thing and I was like yeah red leaf I'm gonna go with that so it's
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  amazing how sometimes something can just flow like that it just like divine intervention or seeding as the skies open you know the cloud part and here's the idea run with it yes absolutely yes so you do both uh consulting and you have sales of some things um I decide your book I don't
SHIRLEY BUCK:  sell besides my book I don't really sell products okay I am a Reiki master and sometimes people want energy work done as well so I can add that in with that but it's really a 12 week course and it's weekly lessons with daily activities and then we speak once a week as well via zoom so and so I don't just give the course to somebody and say okay figure it out I want to walk them through it I want to be there and and it's and even our talks every week isn't really a lot of times they're not even about the course we may touch on the course but it's more about a more customized you know what they're struggling with what they what evidence of things changing for the better they see and they'll ask for advice on different things so um the coaching calls aren't necessarily only geared towards the uh coaching uh
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  the course itself yeah are you ready folks I know some of you probably anticipated this joke coming after she started talking right as I you talk about being happy I don't get why being mean to people for 12 weeks helps since
SHIRLEY BUCK:  you're being coarse with them hey well you know what taking ownership is a big part of healing right so when you got to tell someone it's not anyone else's fault but your own it is a little course right but amen amen somebody realizes that hey I'm the one who has to change I'm the one who has to take responsibility for the situation I'm in of course unless you're a child you know um
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  taking ownership is huge yeah I have a numerous occasion during this show with yes we've already mentioned Alice Cooper and Elton John I'm going to drop Michael Jackson and Rick Springfield now right right Michael Jackson man in the mirror I'm asking him to change his wave right Rick Springfield prayer I send a prayer to heaven to be a better man than the man I see indeed what are we doing about ourselves right right yes taking account
SHIRLEY BUCK:  accountability taking ownership for where we are in our lives you know it's it's not my mother's fault that this happened it's not I'm not using any crutches it's like if something's going wrong at my life it's because of a choice I made and I can unmake that choice or change things around that choice to make things better and we have to take accountability for that amen absolutely
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  not to say because you already mentioned DNA right particular gene but if you know that you know what you're to use that word again course of action needs to be to make sure you don't put yourself into that situation exactly taking ownership what what and again like you said right not blaming mama for the alcohol problem right you you knew that was a case with her and that you might be susceptible but yet you went you drove yourself down that road I did I did I absolutely did and
SHIRLEY BUCK:  and that's the thing is is oh something was right on my mind when you said what happens to me all the time yeah so but yeah I and when you talk about music there's music has been a lifesaver for me because they're re-healing yes and I didn't feel so alone because I felt like when I was going through all the abuse and everything I wasn't talking to anybody about it you certainly don't go to school and talk about it and they I when I would hear songs I'm like oh they're hurting they feel bad I'm not the only person that feels bad you know and Alice Cooper I've seen him live and I actually you know he played with Frank Zappa back in the day and I have to go to Zappa Nelly and you're not old enough for that so I went to Frank Zappa festival in Germany too in 2009 but I only found out about Alice Cooper being a Christian this year I really did not know that and I was like wow that's really cool yeah he
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  has a lot of Christian fans including me I've been one you know being in the Detroit area he grew up in the area too so obviously for that reason but yeah he's got a big Christian fan base because and he said it on the video and I'll link to the video in the show notes where he talks about it his whole show even while he was a drunkard and before he got straight and cleaned up and came back to Christ right God was working through him his whole show is good over evil he gets it in the end the beheading yes and then also music right music can be wonderful and soothing unless if maybe you're listening to Megadeth all day right just a joke I like Megadeth or disturbed or because heavy metal is kind of my preferred genre so right I say that I joke obviously anything in moderation I mean even some of their music has some suther tracks and about people dealing with
SHIRLEY BUCK:  issues right I agree I agree there's a lot of genres out there I mean even rap at some point
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  you guys have Eminem yeah I well I was gonna say I was never a fan that that would be an untruth I like them when he first came out I'm not a fan of his now but indeed you know him and Kid Rock
SHIRLEY BUCK:  from the area 10 new gen also yeah and he's a fan of Eminem I think he's a lyrical genius I think he's just clever he's clever he's clever he's clever yeah he really is um and I think I you know related with him a lot with his dysfunctional relationship with his mom so a lot of the songs I would listen to some of them would make me cry like I I just could relate so much you know yeah absolutely so I mean obviously he has some really off the wall stuff with Slim Jadie and stuff like that you know but um yeah I like all that earlier stuff yeah I like his earlier stuff not so much now after Encore I it's like I'm done with you I'm done with Eminem I still like him
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  I'm on to other Raptors like Tofur and Brison Gray and Tom McDonald's and I've had Gista on my show I have D.P.B. gonna be on my show about bringing positivity back into the rap genre as opposed to all the ganks to kill murder, loot, rob, steal yeah six sex sex drugs rock and roll right right
SHIRLEY BUCK:  absolutely I agree there's a lot of a lot of positive things that can be said in every genre music and it's a powerful way to get a message out for sure oh absolutely yeah uh because the
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  music enhances the lyrics and and even an instrumental uh if done well done right can can move you like right oh yeah absolutely like Rush oh man just the rock group not the talk show guy oh I know right why why me my favorite band so are they yeah oh I like well of course Detroit too so Toronto yeah apparently I got a lot of Detroit artists yeah rush did YYZ which is the code for the Toronto International Airport and that's indeed that's you know why it's got a hobby movie kind of you know Bob the Round feel good kind of think to it right right so I gotta have you back just to talk music
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Sometimes yeah exactly exactly I agree John gets my book and I Rode him a letter thanking him for the song and Bernie topping as well, you know
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Yeah, oh that would be great if it's I
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Said Stephen Tyler won too because I'd love to do some work with his Charity event that he founded or the charity he founded Janie's Janie's fund You know for girls who have been abused and I'd love to either speak there or Donate my books or something so I actually wrote the foundation and Stephen Tyler a letter and sent the book as well
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  So yeah, I have donated some of my books to one of the many overseas like USO tight sending packages overseas to But yeah, the Aerosmith Janie's got a gun even named it after I reached out to Stephen Tyler too because when I was courting my then Before fiancee Was out and don't you know Diane Warren? I reached out to her too. I don't want him to sing well, right I reworked a second course and an alternate verse for my then girlfriend who then became my wife Right, so I reached out to them. Of course never heard anything
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Yeah, it's kind of a busy person. I guess yeah, they all are yeah autographed by him that you know he when he was coming out of the show and stuff, but you know I Got that
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Alright, well, let's try to drag and I'm back from off From having leapt off the tracks that I caused this now train wreck to be Bring it back and start to wrap it up So I guess the best way to do that is to go back to the book sweet freedom whispered in my ear
SHIRLEY BUCK:  When when did it come out? It came out of an October of 2023 so not that long ago and I'm actually going to a Book fair in Miami at the end of November, which I didn't know was going on But I am going to meet moon zappa. Let's not get back on the music thing but I'm going to eat moon zappa and I would like to you know exchange books and get you know sign books and and talk to her a little bit because we have a lot of Similar things in our books that I'd like to talk to her about but yeah the book um I'm doing a reading on the book. I'm I do book signings and I'm keeping the Momentum going on the book, but there are two more books. I'd like to write once I'm more Established and got my business going on a you know smooth level and everything's going right. I do want to take some time to write Two more books. I want to write about parenting after Abusive trauma and I also want to write about dating after abuse and trauma. Oh that those would be
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Very very good follow-ups and let me know when you do so I can have you back on it I have Michelle jusberry also on by the time this airs the show already recorded with her will of air too And I've had Trent brock on who has a chapter in one of her books She's got a collection of people who went through trauma That comes out. I have the whole on just a second. Okay There we go. Don't worry. We'll edit that part out It's breaking the silent voices of survivors to pedal pedal her book and yours and the same thing I would recommend people buy yours and hers. Right. Yeah, their second book is coming out soon And To start their journey if they haven't already or help their journey
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Hopefully to recovery. Yes. Yes. Yes. Absolutely Yes, and and there's Happiness everyone deserves happiness everyone deserves happiness everyone deserves love and And it can be achieved but it does start with from within Because you if you are always searching outside of yourself for validation or for love You're you're not going to find it. It has to start from within
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Right self-love right since we were on music the whole time another old song came to what the world needs now Love sweet love right but no You've got to be able to Look at least accept yourself. You don't have to love everything about you But you've got to michael jackson style Right look in the mirror and be honest with yourself In order to be better
SHIRLEY BUCK:  To be better. Right. I mean you can change the things you don't like and you can love yourself and you can love your flaws as well It's okay. It's all part of being human right right and we are children of god so If god made us then we have to kind of respect that You know if we're hating ourselves, we're hating something god made right? So come on ourselves christians You know, that's kind of counterintuitive right so you've you've got to um
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  Gotta love yourself. I think that's the perfect place to end it and the next Last obvious question is is there a website? Where do people reach out to you?
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Well, if you can remember my name Shirley you just and the buck stops here Shirley buck calm all right. Yeah, Shirley buck calm. Yeah. I've got you questioning it now Indeed surely you just Yeah, the author name is s a book, you know on the wall but um But my website is Shirley buck calm
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  That's a good distinction. I will Making note of that People behind the scenes can always see me waving around a note or right? What is he doing over there? I'm writing down notes Right So I know what to put in the show notes Right When the show does when the episode does finally get ready to come up. All right. Well, thank you so much
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Thank you. This was like probably the most fun i've had on a podcast. So thank you. Thank you. Yeah, well, and I was good
JOSEPH M LENARD (HOST):  I apologize for maybe probably too many jokes. Oh, no, no, it's fine. I I did not feel that way at all Yeah, we're dealing with serious subject matter But even in my terrorism book there's a comic relief chapter to make that point No matter how serious things get around us kind of keep us into humor or we'll be curled in the corner In the fetal position sucking on our sub crying all the time. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely
SHIRLEY BUCK:  Okay, take care god bless you too. Thank you so much for having me


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