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CTP (S3EAugSpecial5) Faith, Politics, and Protecting the Unborn
Exploring more of the world of fascinating Guests, Health, Human Nature, Music / Movies, Mysterious, Politics, Social Issues, and much more 
Stuart Kellogg shares his journey from TV news management to pro-life advocacy through his program "Students in Action: Building Pro-Life Leaders." This educational initiative equips young Christians with the knowledge and tools to effectively engage in abortion discussions using science, constitutional principles, and compassionate approaches.
• Former TV executive who ran an ABC station in Jackson, Mississippi for 25 years
• Created a five-module program teaching students about worldview, Christian perspectives on life, and how to defend pro-life positions
• Emphasizes scientific facts about human development from conception - unique DNA, fingerprints, and potentially different blood type from mother
• Highlights Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg's admission that Roe v. Wade was "egregiously wrong from the start" with "exceptionally weak reasoning"
• Program includes practical experience with pregnancy centers to demonstrate how pro-life advocates support women before and after birth
• Materials available at no cost (beyond printing) at ProLifeLeaders.net
• Teaches students to ask effective questions rather than just making statements
• Addresses common criticisms of the pro-life movement through education and practical experience
Find Stuart's program and materials at ProLifeLeaders.net or email info@pro-lifeleaders.net for more information.


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Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Constitutionalist Politics Podcast, aka CTP. I am your host, Joseph M Leonard, and that's L-E-N-A-R-D. Ctp is your no-muss, no-fuss, just me, you and occasional guest-type podcast. Really appreciate you tuning in. As Graham Norton will say, let's get on with the show. Hello everyone, Welcome to another episode of Christi I can't even talk today. I can't get the name of my own show out Christitutionalist Politics Podcast. For those behind the scenes, you can kind of see in the graphic. I dropped the politics but it's still in the name Constitutionalist, our Judeo-Christian Ethos Foundation's Constitution, Biblical community, free will, wanting to be our brother's keeper, not forced worldly communism at the barrel of a gun and theft At any rate. Well, I'm holding up the notes here. For those behind the scenes, you can see Joining to me today is Stuart Kellogg. And, of course, first thing, nothing to do with the cereal, right.

Speaker 2:

Well, my line is I'm related, but not enough to do me any good. Oh okay, you go back about five generations and I got an uncle there and he and his brother started WK Kellogg Company. So we're related directly.

Speaker 1:

That's why this show wasn't scripted. Oh, you can see. There goes Boo the Cat from behind-the-scenes video. Boo the Cat wanted to be part of this discussion, apparently, but now he got bored and left.

Speaker 2:

I guess he prefers post oh well, I was gonna say that's okay. I it did do us good one time. Can I share that quick story? Sure, please do so, not to brag, but I mentioned a lot. My daughter was Miss Mississippi in 2003. Okay, Cool.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so prepping to go to Atlantic City. It was still there at the time and we wrote to Kellogg and said we want to make a cereal box and they gave us permission. We made a special K cereal box with her picture on it, with a crown, and they gave us a case of a special case.

Speaker 1:

So that was the one oh that is cool. I hope you didn't open all the boxes. Those would be collectors now.

Speaker 2:

Yeah no, the box, all those were just cereal, the one box they allowed us to make ourselves.

Speaker 1:

so anyway, okay, little story I'd share with you, joe yeah, at any rate.

Speaker 1:

And now how? Who knows how many people alpha. But I hey, not only is this behind the scenes video, this is now behind the scenes into your life across the 25-plus audio platforms too. Before we get to the retired local TV guy and of course I'll give you shit about being with ABC and students in action building pro-life leaders let's do the proverbial right Christian show pun intended. Proverbial first question who the heck is Stuart Kellogg? We discussed it a little, but where were you born? Where were you raised? Where are you now? That sort of thing Sounds good.

Speaker 2:

Joe, thank you. So one of four children born in Utica, new York, so upstate New York, in between Rochester and no, I'm sorry in between Syracuse and Albany the other way. My dad was a salesman. We moved a lot. I moved after the first grade out of Utica, moved to Pennsylvania, ohio, ended up on Long Island about 30 miles east of New York City, went to high school there and then went to college at Syracuse, at the Newhouse School at Syracuse University, and during the last two years there I was the weatherman at Channel 9. It's now SYR. It was called WNYS there. And here's a little thing One of my competitors was Al Roker. So Al Roker was at the CBS and we have stayed in contact. I can tell you a story about that in a little bit. But anyway, neat guy. But from there I noticed something, joe I was selling before I got into TV full time. The last two years of school I sold shoes in New York City one summer and something.

Speaker 2:

So you're, you're part Al Bundy part of Al Bundy, except a higher level Bergdorf, goodman, fifth Avenue. Ok, and I noticed something Every woman who came in and every woman's daughter, if they were from the South, they were all gorgeous. There was just something and I said I love country music, let's try the South. I'm sick of 110 inches of snow every winter, so I moved from Syracuse to Mobile, alabama.

Speaker 1:

Okay, interesting.

Speaker 2:

And became a reporter at WKRG-TV. And became a reporter at WKRG-TV and on a story at a local high school, theodore High School. I have to clarify I say I met my wife at high school. She was a teacher, not a student. She was a teacher.

Speaker 1:

Very important distinct clarification.

Speaker 2:

Yes, Somebody asked me that the other day I said, boy, I've never clarified that. So from now on, there you go Joe.

Speaker 2:

You're the second. I've clarified. So Beth and I married in the mid-'80s. We left with our two children from Mobile and moved all over the country. I was a reporter and then got into after doing weather, became a reporter and then got into news management and then station management. So I worked at WWL, a wonderful station. I was assistant news director there. I became a consultant for a couple of years. You know what a consultant is, joe? Oh yeah, he's the one who rides in after the battle and bayonets the wounded, so that was my job, and then I worked at Oklahoma and Dallas Right, I'm here to give advice.

Speaker 1:

whether it works or not, whatever.

Speaker 2:

as long as I get paid right, I got a play to catch and then got back into TV and was in news in Oklahoma City and in Dallas and then got to my goal had always been to run a station and moved to Jackson Mississippi and moved a lot and then finally didn't move and lovingly stayed almost 25 years in Jackson Mississippi working for the Hearst Corporation and ran the ABC station in Jackson Mississippi and retired. During that time went to seminary, got more involved in my faith and then retired almost 10 years ago and, yeah, on the gulf coast back in alabama two things in that.

Speaker 1:

One, the way my ocd adhd brain works. Now you mentioned beth, your wife, so now I'm gonna have the kiss song, beth, I hear you calling in my head all damn day now.

Speaker 2:

Thank you very much for that and she was a professional singer, so that adds to that.

Speaker 1:

So keep it going, yeah, yeah this is exactly why I don't script shows and I don't want to know much about the guests before they're on. Fun stuff like this are the rabbit holes that pop up along the way. And the other thing is, of course you mentioned ABC right, All the alphabet medias are mostly left-leaning, but that doesn't mean a local station or necessarily a particular talent at the station is an ultra NPR, PBS type lunatic.

Speaker 2:

That absolutely too. And but I will say in my experience, especially at that level, not in news but in general management, uh, dealing with, and I had a very professional relationship with them. But they are, and here's the great thing, and the Hearst corporation, which was wonderful, worked for Hearst Television and their freedom they gave us to express, they loved it when we stood up at the network meetings and asked tough questions and even though my boss and his boss may not have agreed where I was coming from, they loved it. And I'll tell you. The last one is they had a sitcom coming out and it was about set a couple of decades before and it was a Boston Roman Catholic family and the teenage son, of course, comes out as gay, gay, of course, which is a theme that was going out we're talking about 10 years ago, 11 years ago.

Speaker 2:

My question was and I won't get into the names and everything, but I knew who one of the developers was and he was an ardent, not just pro-gay, but ardent anti-Christian pro-gay. I mean just he wrote about sex, just nasty things, and I stood up to the head of programming and I explained him. I used some quotes and I said to them would you let David Duke he was the kook luck set would you let David Duke produce a show for ABC? Well, the poor woman knew in her job. Finally, the president of the network had to step in and say no, we wouldn't. But basically, this is what we're doing so tough. I just did it to share that there is a different world and I was given that freedom. And did it change anything? Probably not, but at least it made him think yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and the point here is I am sure there are some overboard Christian Bible thumping. This show is not a Bible thumper. Beat people over the head with the Bible. Matthew 7 is condemned, not lest ye be condemned. There are 12 other scriptures to say. We are to judge.

Speaker 1:

So, yes, I have gay and lesbian friends and they are only able to be my friends because they understand. I don't hate them, I don't approve of their lifestyle and no way in hell am I ever going to allow the gaitivists, as I coined, engaged in gaysativism. They aren't tolerance and acceptance, they're about advocacy. They're about pedophilia, they're about promoting. That is a red line I cannot cross. But gay and lesbians can be my friend as long as they understand. I as a Christian am to love them. Hate the sin, love the sinner. Divide equal sign.

Speaker 1:

Gaytivists, queers for Palestine, are too stupid to understand. I'll help get you a one-way ticket because they're going to throw you from a building. You moron to throw you from a building you moron. Christians aren't trying to stone you to death, but you're trying to defend terrorists who would stone you or throw you from a building in a heartbeat. Oh and speaking of heartbeat, since we'll get into students in action Building Pro-Life Leaders. I'm wearing my Life Walk 2025 shirt from here in Southeast Michigan. We just had our Life Walk in July, in June, june 25th. You can go to udmi-rtlorg for more info on that. But anyway, do you feel the same frustration as I do? Because the gay people I know aren't anti-Christian haters, but the gaytivists like you were talking about are out of it, anti-christian.

Speaker 2:

And that's correct, and I think the engagement is critical and especially. But it's boy, trying to find common ground and that's part of what this project is. You've got to ask questions and you've got to find. Is there some? I believe a culture, a government, a culture will win. Obviously, protection is key, but especially of children and the defenseless. That's my belief. It starts there if you can't. So to go to your topic, can we agree that sexually mutilating minors genitalia probably isn't real smart and every study is showing that. So even that now I think slowly coming around to have that discussion can, can we, can we have that discussion, and so things change.

Speaker 1:

Amen, right. What you want to do to your body and killing a child in your womb is not your body, it's not your heart, it's not your lung, it's not your kidney, it's not your liver, it's another life with its own DNA, its own gender, its own sex, and there's only two right, by the way.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but what you want to do as an adult, knock yourself out as long as you're not infringing on another's rights and under the 14th Amendment you are. And indeed let's get into more in Students, in Action, building Pro-Life Leaders and you spoke to it. Pro-life leaders, and you spoke to it. The culture, this deception, choice, that's just a dodge word. They're against choice and anything else. They're against your free will and choice. But when it comes to murdering a baby, it's the convenient dodge. And on the notes baby, it's the convenient dodge. And on the notes. I see you say Roe was such a constitutional train wreck. Even Justice Ginsburg, a proud abortion proponent, couldn't defend the law from a constitutional standpoint. I talk about it on this show, I talk about that in my books, I talk about that in my free online writings all the time.

Speaker 2:

So please go ahead and expound upon that Well and just in your audience. May love the quote and it's pretty tight. It was in NYU in 1992.

Speaker 1:

Oh she spoke before Chicago Law too. You can still find it on YouTube, where she says Roe was unconstitutional.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, where she said Roe was egregiously wrong from the start and this is a woman, not just pro-choice, she was a. She equated aborting babies with equality. All right, that's her worldview. Okay, it was egregiously wrong from the start. His reasoning was exceptionally weak and the decision has had damaging consequences. She said that. Yet when it was overturned, you had people attacking justices, homes and threatening them with death because they said this is a matter not for the nation, but for the states. They said this is a matter not for the nation, but for the states, and one of their champions said that and that goes to your point, joe, about the intellectual thinking through. Can we turn down the heat? Can we think it through? And now let's talk about what we're talking about. You know, but that's one of the the ironies of of yeah, yeah, I've got multiple pieces on beforeitsnewscom.

Speaker 1:

They can be found for free as well. No, actually these pieces are at thelibertybeaconcom, some of it's at Before it's News. I wrote three of them, one Illuma Baby, kind of like. You know everybody's into the comic book superhero Illuma Baby, right, the pro-life advocate. I've got that. But the piece I want to refer to you is because you use the term equality, of course. Now, with a warp and twist language, I got several articles on that and a show on that too, warping and twisting. Now they want to move from equality to cultural, marxist, moronic equity. So I've got a piece called I demand my equity as a male to murder for my convenience. Why do you, as a female, get to murder for your convenience? I should be able to murder you for my convenience well, and it goes.

Speaker 2:

so that brings it down to what are we talking about? And they want to move around, it's true. No, what are we talking? We're talking about a human being, right? They want to talk about clump of cells.

Speaker 1:

Never in the course of human history has a female woman given birth to a bird, a fish, an alligator, a monkey.

Speaker 2:

despite your Darwinism nonsense, you only give birth to a human, so it's a human from the very start and the key is and this is and I love the term, you probably do too, because it was used against conservatives follow the science, so I love using the term.

Speaker 1:

I love it.

Speaker 2:

I'll say let's follow the science.

Speaker 1:

How about real science, like actual biology, not your pseudo fake bought and paid for warped data science?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and when you do that and this is one of the in part of this program and we'll talk a little about it in teaching students is the science the fact that once the egg is fertilized, the DNA is exactly the same as when that person is 90 years old. So the DNA is unique, it is a human being, and so this is where the fingerprints are unique, the blood type can be different than the mother's. The scent can be different than the mother's. The sex can be different than the mother's.

Speaker 2:

That I'll give credit to, because there are those not just pro-choice, pro-abortion, who are okay with abortion up to the day before delivery. Right, I will give them credit for being consistent, because those who are pro-life but say it's okay in the first three months, that's really not pro-life. You are inconsistent. So, anyway, we can get into that. But the key is to remember and this is one of the things in the training the final of the five-part modules, things in the training, the the final of the five part modules. The final is defending the pro-life position and a key part is asking questions, engaging, getting. Are you okay with killing a baby the day before born? No, why not? Oh, it's a child, okay.

Speaker 1:

Well, you know now the peddling post the thing that kermit gosnell is in jail for for in Pennsylvania. Still they're peddling like in Michigan. Ballot 3 initiative years ago Didn't codify Roe, as they claimed. It legalized statutory rape. A 40-year-old teacher can now prey on a 14-year-old girl in the classroom without consequences. Statutory rape is gone. That had nothing to do with Roe. Also, what Kermit Gosnell post-birth abortion it's born, we botched it, just leave it there to die. Illegal illegal, not legal in many places, but Kermit still rests in jail. And another thing that frustrates me to no end, and I hope you will borrow this from me, regarding student inaction and building pro-life leaders they say we're male, we're not supposed to have a say. Excuse me, not supposed to have a say. Excuse me, I don't have a tail, but that doesn't stop me from talking about animal cruelty. And abortion does affect men. We are the would-be fathers. We are more than just a sperm donor.

Speaker 2:

Well, and let me tell you where the culture has gone. I work in a local pregnancy center. I'm what's called a male advocate. I work about a third of the women who come in. Their father is with them, and so I will sit with them, ask questions, get to know them.

Speaker 2:

We offer parenting classes Part of the process is asking questions such as why are you here and testing? And I will tell you almost every man who I talk to I ask what's your feeling about the abortion, about the pregnancy? And most are excited, or at least like one put on a couple of weeks ago, it's time for me to put my big boy pants on, you know. But almost without exception, almost without exception, they then come and say but it's her body, so she wants an abortion.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but it's not her body. I am not, I am scripted I'm talking through.

Speaker 2:

I'm not in to have a discussion with them, but that's a fact. That's in the water, that's the brainwashing.

Speaker 2:

This man, who is a pro-life, no't even say I can't imagine that, but if she wants to, so that has seeped in and some of these are christian men that has seeped in, and so that that's why we got to stop and make people think about it and that's what, michael, I felt a calling a year and a half ago to to produce this uh project, to let's get the kids early to be thinking about it, because they're going to leave into the real world and they're going to get bombarded.

Speaker 1:

People could go to udmi-rtoorg. I'm the webmaster for our local pro-life group website Group website. We have a life oratory contest and we are seeing more and more teams that are indeed pro-life and willing to speak out about life versus death, including eugenics life at all phases. Now, but back to what I said about twisting and warping of language, because you mentioned you're talking about planning parenthood. What does the left do? They call their organization planned parenthood, and there's only death plans there, not parenthood. Only death planned there, not parenthood.

Speaker 2:

Well, and that's and again, I mentioned in the water I think the other term, you used it pro-choice Well, in California. Let me tell you just a quick story we had here. I'm in Baldwin County, alabama, on the Gulf, and we had our very first. We have four offices. An abortion pill, reversal, success, success. We just had a baby born two months ago. The mother took the first abortion pill. It's a two pill regimen, took the purse. It starves the baby can be reversed.

Speaker 2:

Thank, god immediately regretted. It, called our doctor, got with her, flooded her body with progesterone save the baby. The baby was just bored, we had our first. Now she chose it's illegal, but she got the pills. But she said I want to do, I want to have a baby. In california, right now they're they are suing the pregnancy centers for telling the women about the abortion pill reversal, saying that it is deceptive. And so I get to the point of goodness, you're pro-choice, can you just really no, they're not sure they are pro-abortion, they are pro-baby murder.

Speaker 1:

They are not for choice. I remember back, remember, oh, what was his name? George Michael. Remember the wake me up before you go go video. Choose life. Oh, my God, the grief he got for that back when. Right, they're not for choice. And you can go to udmi-rtlorg and find information about the abortion pill dangers, the side effects. They won't. They're the ones deceptive. They won't tell you the deaths caused by those pills, beyond just the baby, the mother's dying, the bleeding out, the dangers of these abortion clinics where they don't have admitting privileges to a hospital, so if they cause a major hemorrhage, the women are left there to die along with the baby, because they can't immediately admit a woman pretty much murdering, to the hospital to save her life, let alone both her and her child's life. And as C Everett Koop, former Surgeon General.

Speaker 1:

Thank you. Yeah said all his years he has never not known once where you had to murder the child to save the life of the mother, and especially now preemies are born earlier and earlier and surviving. You do an emergency C-section and you treat both patients' life.

Speaker 2:

So the thinking has gotten and you get the radical end. You say, well, most aren't radical, and that's true. However, between 65 and 75 percent of Americans are pro-abortion at some point, at some point.

Speaker 1:

They fall for the rhetoric yes.

Speaker 2:

So standing in pro-life is a minority and it's going to be more so, and so that's why I felt it was important let's put together a simple in this project. If you don't mind me talking a little about it, the project is it's five modules, teaching modules, about half hour, and it starts with why worldview matters, and then the Christian worldview view, truth in life, truth and abortion, the history of abortion and, as I said, defending the pro-life position. So those are the five modules and you also. There's hands-on work with the local pregnancy center where the students are working with where where actual parenthood is actually being planned Right and we support them.

Speaker 1:

That's another one of the lie. We don't care once the baby is born. Wrong. We're for adoption as a choice, as an option. We support, through diaper drives and fundraisers, those who are impoverished and not financially ready to handle this family yet.

Speaker 2:

And that's. And you know what, joe, I think in the early 80s that was a fair critique and it was. You only care about the baby until it's born. But the pregnancy centers, people have no idea what they are and ours is the same way we do parenting class. We connect them so they get to see that. In our, our case they got to talk to a woman who had an abortion as a teenager and now counsels forced a boat so they helped raise money. They helped get the younger kids raising money in the church so that was the pilot program and what this is.

Speaker 2:

and my point was, if you ask, joe and I think you'll agree most evangelical churches, are you pro-life? Yeah, yeah, they'll check that box. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and we'll talk about it Devils in the details.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, well, and so when you say, what are you doing about it? I wanted to take away number one. What do I teach? Here it is. And if you go to pro-life leadersnet, all the materials there they don't know who I am, so what am I? Well, if you go to the website ProLifeLeadersnet and you'll see all the modules so you can read everything that's in them, you can see the PowerPoints and the videos cost, because there is none. Beth and I have spent a lot setting this up and whether it's graphics or the website and all that sort of thing, and all people are paying for is the printing. There's a printer in Dallas. He'll print on demand and it's there. So you order that. So I wanted to take away the. Well, what would we teach them? Here it is, and it's five and it's tight, but it's good information.

Speaker 2:

And the second is cost and there's just the printing cost. So I'm trying to take away excuses if I could use that term for churches saying well, we, just how do we do this?

Speaker 1:

Well, here's the issue. Yeah, we just had an event Again. You could go to udmi-rtlorg On May 17th. We had an intro to pro-life culture event Again. Pretty event, no cost and handouts no cost. Seven speakers, no cost to you to show up and hear these arguments, including my. I don't have a tail but that doesn't stop me from speaking out about animal cruelty. So just because a man doesn't mean I don't have a say in the abortion issue as part of my speech us and it's not. It costs us I can't tell you, being on a disability budget, money I can't afford to spend, but I do helping the pro-life cause. This isn't making me money life cause.

Speaker 2:

This isn't making me money, yeah, and so it's and, as I said, my goal and it's been a little. It's just gone off. In the last couple months I did the pilot with eight students and, you know, tweaked it and and learned, and so then put it together. So it's well thought out. I think it's got great information. It's not me, I'm quoting people. I'm taking the scott klusendorf's and and I'm sharing. This is where you get the information, but it's you're sharing'm quoting people. I'm taking the scott klusendorf's and and I'm sharing. This is where you get the information, but it's you're sharing the ginberg quote right so you could see it and read it, and and and.

Speaker 2:

It's not exceptionally long, but it is a commitment. But, joe, I've been telling people. I had that feedback boys. I said you know what following christ is supposed to be a commitment. Don't tell me that I try to. So my my goal, because I'm trying to find churches with one pro-life champion who's willing to try this with 6, 8, 10, 12 kids. Try it. It's all there. I have the information info at pro-lifeleadersnet. They can email me. I'm happy to help them. Let's try it. Time sure flies. They can email me.

Speaker 1:

I would. I'm happy to help them. Let's try it. Let's try it. Time sure flies. I try to keep my shows to around 30 minutes. We're there. You've already gone into the obvious. Last question when do people reach you? Prolifeleadersnet? It will, of course, be on a scrawl for those watching it. Of course, be on a scrawl for those watching at BitChute, brighteon, daily Motion in France, rumble or YouTube video outlets. And, of course again, if you've not gotten a pen and paper by now, why haven't you Write this down for those of you on the 25 plus audio platforms prolifeleadersnet. All together, no dashes, no underscores, right? Prolifeleaders? All lumped together is one word net, yes.

Speaker 2:

And it's all there. It's no tabs. You go through there. There are videos that explain it. How to get in touch with me. It's real simple, it's all there and you can look at all the material to get in touch with me. It's real simple, it's all there and you can look at all the material. Just to say you know what's he talking about. Well, there it is. What is he talking about?

Speaker 1:

So thank you, stuart. Not able to cash in on the cereal company Kellogg, stuart Kellogg for joining today. Thank you, Take care, god bless. Thank you, joseph. Thank you for having tuned in for Krista Tuchel's Politics Show. If you haven't already, please check out my primary internationally available book, terror Strikes, coming soon to a city near you, available anywhere. Books are sold. If you have locally run bookstores still near you, they can order it for you. And let me remind, over time the fancy high production items will come. But for now, for starters, it's just you as a very appreciated listener by me. All substance, no fluff, just straight to key discussion points. A show that looks at a variety of topics, mostly politics, through a Christian, us constitutionalist lens. So again, thank you from the bottom of my heart. Take care, god bless. Like and subscribe to Constitutionalist Politics Podcast and share episodes. We need your help.

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