CTP (S3ESepSpecial6) Misfit in Hell: One Woman's Near-Death Experience Revealed

CTP (S3ESepSpecial6) Misfit in Hell: One Woman's Near-Death Experience Revealed
Mary Kathy McDaniel shares her distressing near-death experience and the profound transformation it brought to her understanding of life, death, and what lies beyond. Through her journey from hellish visions to heavenly joy, she discovered a message of unconditional love and purpose that completely changed her perspective.
• MK experienced what's called a "distressing" NDE - something that happens to about 20% of near-death experiencers
• During her drug-induced coma after lung failure, she first found herself in hellish scenarios that mirrored traumatic events from her actual life
• Her experience suddenly shifted to heaven where she felt overwhelming joy and love, meeting a deceased friend
• She was told she had "too much left to do" on Earth and was sent back to her physical body
• MK believes there is no judgment in the afterlife, only a life review where we experience how our actions affected others
• She now co-hosts a support group for people who've had distressing NDEs through IANDS (International Association of Near-Death Studies)
• Her advice for living: be loving, kind, merciful, forgiving, encouraging, grateful, nonjudgmental and useful
• Small acts of kindness can create powerful ripple effects that positively impact others  

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Speaker 1 0:00

Welcome to the Constitutionalist Politics Podcast , aka CTP . I am your host , Joseph M Leonard , and that's L-E-N-A-R-D . Ctp is your no-must , no-fuss , just me , you and occasional guest-type

Meet MK McDaniel

Speaker 1 0:19

podcast . Really appreciate you tuning in . As Graham Norton will say , let's get on with the show . Hello everyone , Welcome to another episode of Chris D'Attuso's Politics Podcast . I did a short pause there . I forget the name of my own show For those on video . Well , you can see her . I'm holding up a minor note . I don't like to script shows , we just kind of go where the show goes . Joining me is Mary Kathy McDaniel . For those of you who follow CIA declassified documents , think MKUltra , MK McDaniel there you go .

Speaker 1 1:09

Because that's what's on your book Misfit and held to have an expat . Mk Mary Kathy McDaniel , welcome to the show .

Speaker 2 1:20

Well , thank you , I'm happy to be here , yeah .

Speaker 1 1:23

I tried getting you last year . You never got back to me , whatever , maybe you didn't get my outreach , maybe got whatever . But this year I decided I wanted to reach out again , and here you are , so you know I guess it wasn't meant to be then . It is now Right , that's the way to look at it . And the usual first question , right ? Who the heck is MK McDaniel ? Where were you born and raised and where are you now ? How much time did you spend in prison and for what ?

Speaker 2 2:08

I got out on good behavior actually . Well , it's a long story . I just turned 79 . So we got a lot of ground in there .

Speaker 1 2:16

Yeah , give us the cliff notes .

Speaker 2 2:19

The cliff notes would be , let's see , born in St Louis Missouri , but my dad was in the Navy .

Speaker 1 2:25

Like I like to joke , the state of misery oh yeah , missouri .

Speaker 2 2:31

Yeah , I didn't stay long because your dad was . You started the military . So we got moved every two and a half to four years yep , new York and Maryland and Kansas and California , and so I spent most of my time as an adult in California and I got there about 26 years ago and I'm up in Washington , thank God you escaped oh Washington state is not necessarily if you're in Seattle necessarily if you're in Seattle .

Speaker 2 3:10

Uh yeah , seattle by an hour , and it's beautiful , right on a harbor , it's , it's like well , it's like life 30 years ago here . It hasn't caught up yet .

Speaker 1 3:14

Yeah , there are several counties in Washington and Oregon trying to secede from those states and join Idaho . It's like it's getting too California-y here . I know the Californians are coming up , you know , yeah , so yeah , the eastern counties of those states want to join Idaho , and I don't blame them . And of course you mentioned Kansas , so got to do the proverbial joke we're not in Kansas anymore , right .

Speaker 2 3:50

Yeah , four years of that was plenty .

Speaker 1 3:54

Whole lot of corn right .

Speaker 2 3:56

Like .

Speaker 1 3:57

Iowa whole lots of corn .

Speaker 2 4:00

Tornadoes that's the part I didn't like . My lights went out . Hold on , tornadoes . That's the part I didn't like . My lights went out , hold on . We're talking about this stuff and somebody's not happy in the universe . All right , that she is okay okay , so indeed , at any rate .

Speaker 1 4:16

So we kind of know a little bit about you indeed the summary on the podcast guest list that we are both members of , where there's also Matchmaker FM and Radio Guest List and a few other sites where podcasters and guests I've been picked up as a guest by many podcasts through all these things too , as well as bringing guests on to my podcast through them . But yeah , your podcast guest list summary that's all I have here says near-death experiencer , author , speaker and indeed NDE . I've had people talk about afterlife , including an atheist who talked about afterlife from a scientific , nonbeliever standpoint , so that was really interesting . I had to get you on to talk about that , you on to talk about that , and again , the book title Missed it . In Hell to Heaven , expat MK McDaniel . So obviously the NDE inspired the book . What all happened ?

Speaker 2 5:40

Well , you know , about 20% of the people that have NDEs have something called distressing , disturbing not your ordinary run-of-the-mill stuff . So I was one of those people .

Speaker 1 5:53

Yeah there's , like the Freddy Krueger invaded your dreams , kind of NDE , oh , and that would have been great kind of envy . And then there's those others that have those wonderful , lovely fluffy on a cloud and all their relatives are there , kind of thing .

Speaker 2 6:13

That wasn't me . No , well , it wasn't at first , but what happened is I had been really sick . I got something akin to COVID before COVID came out , akin to COVID before COVID came out . I had lung failure . They put me into a drug-induced coma . I was there quite a while 19 days or something and they told me the last thing the doctor said is you won't be able to remember anything of what happens .

Journey to Hell: The Distressing NDE

Speaker 2 6:38

So when I woke up in this very dark place and I thought , uh-oh , what's going on , man , and I was , you know , just kind of hung out , but it did did turn into an adventure , starting with this reddish fog , kind of like you see in the background here reddish fog and heat and people screaming and shrieking , and and I thought , oh , like you said , you're not in Kansas anymore , right it was like you landed up in one of the layers of Dante's Inferno .

Speaker 1 7:12

Yeah right , it may not have been the worst layer , but one of them at any rate .

Speaker 2 7:19

The thing is you don't know you're dead . You know that puts a real handicap in the situation , because you think you know this is happening right now and there's no good reason for it , there's nobody to help you and you're just kind of staying one step ahead of the next disaster .

Speaker 2 7:38

So for me it was a series of segments and , and the first one was almost like a movie separate it was it was , except somebody was changing the channel , you know , on your television and they were , all you know , horror movies , and so you'd go from one to the other and you would . I wouldn't know when it would happen , the lights would just go out and I'd freeze and then the lights had come up and be totally in a different situation . So this , this went on several times . The first one was this bombed out city thing . I just , you know , came , the lights came up and it's like being in New York city and and somebody's dropped an atomic bomb or aliens have landed .

Speaker 2 8:20

Something terrible happened here and people were screaming and and there's fires and buildings are falling down . You know , it kind of upset me . So I , you know , I kind of tucked into this broken concrete that had fallen and I'm seeing all these weird people , creatures , whatever , going by and I'm I thought , geez , you know , I got to get in survival mode , that's , you know . So I thought maybe if I could just get into one of these buildings I might find some people that are left . There might be food , shelter , whatever .

Speaker 2 8:52

So as I was running through all this concrete and stuff , I tried to climb up on a wall and I slipped and I was falling backwards and I thought , ah , this is going to hurt . Boom , the lights go out . Boom , the lights go out . Boom , the lights come up . You know , now there's this Bigfoot demon thing standing in front of me and you know , you're just in total shock . What you know ? Oh , now what ? So it was bizarre in that he said do you want to get out of here ? And I thought , wow , that was perfect English , you know for a Yeti . I wonder what he learned there .

Speaker 1 9:25

But English major you know he went to Oxford , yeah .

Speaker 2 9:31

I was going to play along , you know . I said , yes , I certainly would like to get out of here . And he says , well , I got a job for you . You do this one thing , I'll see you get out . And I said , huh , you know , I felt there was a trick involved here . But he kind of waved his arm and behind me there was this huge , interminable field of brambles and raspberry bushes and you know just big thorns on it . And I thought , huh , and he says , you just cut all that down . For me , I need that done and I'll get you out of here .

Speaker 2 10:03

Well , I , I thought , a , it's impossible . And then , b , he hands me these little scissors that kids cut paper with and starts to laugh . He thinks it's funny . So I thought , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , excellent , excellent . So I got down and I tried to , you know , cut at least one of the . I thought , well , I got , you know , I got nowhere to go , nothing to do . I better just try this . Maybe I can , you know , think of something . But anyway , as I finally cut one of the canes and went to put it behind me , I turned back around and the thing had grown completely back and this guy's laughing like it's really funny and I thought you know , this is impossible , but I'm a survivor and I'm just , you know , I'm just going to keep going . Well , the lights went out , the lights came back up . I'm someplace else . There was this road a lot of times . Actually , I like the road because I could . It was like a moonscape , you know .

Speaker 1 11:00

Kill the Willie Nelson on the road again .

Speaker 2 11:03

Yeah , that's about how I felt . But you know , I kept turning around making sure nothing was creeping up on me , and so I had bad experiences there , and and every time they would say I've got a job for you , I want you to do something . Sometimes it got squeamishly immoral and I'd say , no , I'm not going to do it . They say , well , all right , it's just going to get worse , you know . So that was the misfit in hell thing . Heaven Expat is coming up later . I finally did get to what I didn't know was going to be the last episode , but I made this demon lady very angry by singing a Christmas carol , you know .

Speaker 2 11:46

I was really kind of ticked off . This whole thing was just a nightmare . And she had it's in the book . I'm not trying to sell a book , but I don't know .

Speaker 1 11:56

Yeah , we are . Yeah , we are . I'm lying , I'm lying .

Speaker 2 12:01

I ticked her off and she came at me like she was going to club me and I thought so what you know , I'll just go someplace else . But boom , I did go someplace else , but this time it was just like , wow , all this joy , love , you're at a birthday party Everybody ever knew was you know . It's just that kind of you couldn't imagine how wonderful that felt . You totally forget everything has happened , everything has happened and you just tumble in this wonderful love . It's kind of sparkly and , oh my gosh , there's not a care in the world . I can't remember anything . I don't remember my kids , nothing . I'm just

Escape to Heaven: Finding Joy

Speaker 2 12:41

enjoying this ecstasy Kind of filters into solidity of some sort . I can see my friend . I had gone to Seattle to help him through leukemia .

Speaker 1 12:54

He had died , that's why I have the hairdo I do .

Speaker 2 12:58

Oh , really , leukemia ? Yeah , I'm , a survivor , though , obviously .

Speaker 2 13:02

Well , good for you , because it was nasty . I was up there almost nine months . He and I had been engaged for seven years and had gone our separate ways amicably when he got a job promotion but there he had died . And so there he was , standing there and I thought I'm still in this wonderful place and in mood . And I see him and he's laughing and he has his hair back , you know , and he looks about 35 instead of 50 . And he's just got this sparkle in his eyes Like he knows something I don't . And I thought you know , he , oh Lord , he doesn't know , he's dead , you know . And and he burst out laughing and I thought , wait a minute , I didn't say that out loud . And then he's laughing again , like come on , come on , think it through , think it through . And I thought , holy , you know what , I'm dead . This is great . Oh my gosh , we're in heaven . Show me around , man . What are we standing here for ?

Speaker 2 14:03

and he kind of crept up a little closer , not getting too close , and said ah , mary Kay , you've got too much left to do .

Speaker 1 14:12

And people who have that experience often come back saying I came back kicking and screaming , I didn't want to come back .

Speaker 2 14:22

No , what a lousy trick . You know I'm so mad .

Speaker 1 14:27

Come back to this . Oh yeah , I was 86 pounds .

Speaker 2 14:32

I couldn't move . I had the trick I had I , you know . I thought how am I ? I can't even breathe . How am I going to get all this quote stuff done , you know ? So I was not a happy camper . It took me a couple more months to get out of hospitals and get my life , you know life back to where I could move around a little bit . Still a mess , and then , gee , it only took me another 15 years I guess it was really closer the 10 years of having no idea what happened , afraid to die because I might have that health thing happen again . Before I got back to heaven , nobody wanted to talk to me about it . Gee , kathy , we thought you were such a nice Catholic girl , what you do in hell , you know .

Speaker 2 15:19

It was tough and then , through this series of synchronicities , things started falling into place . I found myself in Seattle at an IANDS meeting , that's the International Association of Near-Death Studies . Whole bunches of dead people , you know . They have the best time really , because they're not afraid to live and they're not afraid to die . So I got in there and I listened to some of the fluffy stories you know with the angels and puppies and stuff , and I thought , yeah , that's not what happened to me . And some guy overheard me complaining and said why ? What happened to you ? And I said , well , he said did you have a really distressing , terrible one in hell , or something Like he was excited and I said yeah , and he says you've got to tell us about it . We never , nobody ever will talk about these things . I mean , we know about , you know 20% of the people have them , but nobody will say anything . So that started my journey and now , 15 years later , I've been in INS . I co-host a distressing sharing group for people who have had these experiences . We can kind of get together once a month . They can tell their stories for the first time by people that won't judge them and understand , have been there literally and kind of help them work it through . And I was lucky to find the books of Nancy Evans Bush and Howard Storm . There's been a bunch of them that have written really terrific experience-related books .

Speaker 2 16:43

And bottom line for me is I believe that as a Catholic , my

Life's Purpose: Too Much Left To Do

Speaker 2 16:51

whole life I was taught that I would go to purgatory when I died because , even though Jesus died for my sins , I still had to pay . You know something , get my sins burned off in hell . It's like hell , but you'll get out , kathy . So I think I made my own . I thought I would go to someplace like that . So I think I made my own . I thought I would go to some place like that , so I did .

Speaker 2 17:11

And so it took me a long time to realize that each one of those segments , joseph , had been things that had actually happened in my life . Like the first one , I had been in the 1989 earthquake in Santa Cruz that the town fell down , there was fires and people screaming . You know , I could pinpoint every single one of those things and I thought , okay . And the other thing I've come to believe and accept is that had I stayed in heaven or stayed dead , none of that would have happened . I believe that we choose our lives . I believe we come down here to learn things . We have a purpose , and I think my purpose was to have that experience and be able to come back and tell people God is all loving , all forgiving , there is no freaking hell , nobody judges you , and just live your life the best you can . Life the best you can . I was told later to be loving , kind , merciful , forgiving , encouraging , grateful , nonjudgmental and useful . That's it . Throw the rest out If you can't remember all that loving and kind , and then the rest will take care of itself .

Speaker 1 18:21

Yeah , your story sounds a little bit like mine , in that I am a suicide attempt survivor . It's not something I want to talk about , like you write those people who don't want to talk about it , but it's important that we do for our own cathartic health as well as trying to help others . And yeah , as the joke goes , today may not be your today and sorry , tomorrow ain't looking so good either , right , you don't know until you . Carpe diem Next week , next month , next year , next month next year , my Terror Strikes book . I started it and had a version of it in 2006 , but it didn't come out as an Amazon bestseller until 2022 .

Speaker 1 19:23

That's a long time . That's a long time , but as part of that , there is a suicide prevention sub-thread . To make that point and share the story , all life has value and meaning . You may not see it yourself Doesn't mean it's not true , right Right . And little things can matter . They add up to some things bigger again , whether you see it or not . So I'm not happy to talk about my weakness , my depression then and indeed overdosing , but yet coming back , and indeed I didn't have an NDE or anything , but clearly my time wasn't ready to be up . I had things I needed to do . I think like this show and having people like you on .

Speaker 2 20:21

That's absolutely right and that's specifically how I feel that Too Much Left to do was made available to me . I got an email from Kirstie Salisbury in New Zealand and she said I want you on my podcast , which I had no idea what that was , and that has led to I think I've done 177 now in the last five years , and that you know , with millions of views . So here's this old lady in Gig Harbor and that you know with millions of views . So here's this you know old lady in in gig harbor , washington . You know who , who was able to take that message only through people like you yeah and yeah , not everyone .

Speaker 1 21:01

I always say everyone has stories in them worth sharing , but not everyone's gonna be able to write a book which is's going to be able to write a book , which is why I also wrote how to Write a Book and Get it Published , to help people who have that story want to share it and help them get it available . Also , not everyone is a podcast going to be for them , but wrote podcasting quick start guide . For those who , right , like I'm gonna lift up my green screen and you could see the ugly couch with all . Yeah , I may not be a hoarder , but I am a slob . Look at all that stuff on the couch hidden behind the green screen doing this podcast from my living room .

Speaker 1 21:50

Indeed , right , I'm not a big high production show . Right , you may not be , but , again , you may not do either of those things . But again , little things you do do on a daily basis you might not recognize as important are just as important as long as you're trying to sow a little bit of good so good can be reaped , rather than doing nothing and being complicit in the rotten fruit that is then reaped and we're all trying to choke down to sustain ourselves . Absolutely .

Speaker 2 22:35

Absolutely , absolutely , and and every time you leave the house , whether you're in your car , whether you're standing in line at a grocery store , just to just to give somebody a smile , and it just chit chat just a little bit , I don't care who it is . It elicits something in them , a spark . Oh , I've been seen , I'm valuable . Oh you know , I'm worthy , and , and , and it's loving and kind is just magical .

Speaker 1 23:03

Yes , those are a lot of the little right . I like to joke . You remember the Pantene shampoo commercial . They tell two friends , then they tell two friends , then they tell right , pretty soon you got a movement right . And these , like the movie Evan Almighty , which is a comedy but important Arc God tells them to build an arc , but it's really about arc as an act of random kindness is the moral of that story . You don't see those great moral stories coming out of Hollywood anymore . But indeed and we have to remember though , we're all human , flawed , frail and perfect I can have a bad day , you can have a bad day . You give a smile and you get a snarl back . Recognize okay , maybe they're just having a bad day . Sometimes someone may be having a bad day . You give them a smile and even if they give a fake smile , forced smile back ,

No Judgment, Just Love

Speaker 1 24:13

as you kind of alluded , they walk away and their day has been made better and they may crack a smile to somebody else and again , hopefully , you have that arc , that those acts of random kindness , movement going .

Speaker 2 24:34

You betcha and it's easy and it's free and you feel better too .

Speaker 1 24:38

Smiling is free people . Don't be so grumpy , please .

Speaker 2 24:46

Yes , so that's kind of where I am today . I love my IONS group and it's ionsorg if you want to find out anything about near-death experiences and sharing groups , and it's ionsorg if you want to find out anything about near-death experiences and sharing groups , and it's all very positive . We have conferences once a year . This year it will be in Chicago in Labor Day and I'm telling you , the energy there is so upbeat and fantastic . The worst part is you have to leave . You know it's like a little slice of heaven and you go .

Speaker 1 25:19

Oh man , I don't want to go home because , yeah , yeah , well , I like what you said earlier , right , and you're not really afraid of dying because you've been there , done that . Yeah , yeah your greater fear is not living , living positively , living , getting something out of this life , not it just being the plane of existence before we get judged and go to heaven or not .

Speaker 2 25:50

And really there is no judgment , there's a life review and it's just for your own edification . How did I do ? You know how did I do on my job down there ? And you get to see your entire life . I didn't , I wasn't there long enough , they threw me out too soon , but yeah , thousands of people have reported the same thing .

Speaker 2 26:09

And then they turn that around and run it again and you get to experience how it was to interact with you . So that person you did smile at , you know you get to feel their . They got a little bit of joy back . Or you lent somebody some money and didn't expect it back , or whatever wonderful things you did . You get to feel how wonderful it was that you were on that earth . And if you were in traffic one time and you laid on the horn and that poor little old lady just had , you know you get to feel her fear , you get to feel her hurt , and that's not a judgment , that's just kind of karma . You put that out . You get to feel how that was . And then everybody says incarnation . So you just come back and try it again .

Speaker 1 26:51

I'm glad you said that , because the Bible does not preclude it , exclusion does not , or preclusion does not mean exclusion . We have one eternal soul . It doesn't say only one life on earth . Indeed , some , for whatever reason , might be required to come back , and I want to push back . I don't want to believe that there's not a hell , because there are certainly a whole lot . I sure hope Hitler and Stalin and Mao are not up there . Well , I'll tell you , I love that one .

Speaker 2 27:33

That's my favorite , because if Hitler gets to feel the pain , agony , fear that he in , you know , enforced on other people , all those millions of people he's still halfway through his life review , you know . I mean he's going to get to feel all that , and what more can you do to the guy you know ? And ? And God , just you know , is not judgmental , god is love and God , just you know , is not judgmental . God is love , and we'll just get to experience what we put out , and I think that's you know we're not , god is not like us .

Speaker 2 28:06

God is not like us .

Speaker 1 28:08

We're invincible , but God is I'll get into trouble , because if I run into Hitler in the streets of heaven , I'm punching him in the face .

Speaker 2 28:18

No , he's still in the live review room . He's not going anywhere .

Speaker 1 28:25

Okay , thank you , MK McDaniel . I try to keep my show short . I call it the Twitter attention span these days . Attention span these days . Right , Everybody wants to just give me the headline , even though it might be misleading . Details matter , you know . Cover as much as we can in a short period of time so that people will actually watch or listen .

Speaker 2 28:52

That's great . Well , thanks for having me on the show . It was wonderful to meet you . I've had a really good time .

Speaker 1 28:59

Thank you for coming by . Take care . God bless you too . Wait , wait , wait , wait , wait . I do this all the time that after I hit stop and record , there are always things I think , oh , I needed to say that or I needed to ask that . But I don't do this . Add a tacked on additional segment all that often . Or , frankly , I'd be annoying you as much as it's annoying to me that I keep forgetting things . It's annoying to me that I keep forgiving things . But regarding the exclusion does not mean preclusion thing , reincarnation . Just because it doesn't say there is it in the Bible , it also doesn't say there isn't it in the Bible .

Speaker 1 29:56

What is it with some people , the sin of hubris that think God owes them explanations and answers to any and every question they may have while we're here on earth . God doesn't owe us that . Hopefully we get the answers to our questions , indeed , in heaven , but we're

Final Thoughts: We Are All Children

Speaker 1 30:26

not owed them here , just as a young child isn't owed an explanation of don't do that , that's bad for you . And sometimes they have to touch the hot stove to learn whoa , mom and dad were right , don't touch that , but not have had an hour lecture of it's hot , you'll get burned . And they don't understand , necessarily hot or burned because they're a child . We are all , despite all our advancements in human history , still children to God , our Father . We are not owed all the answers . That's all I wanted to add on . Thank you all . Take care , god bless .

Speaker 1 31:20

Thank you for having tuned in for Chris D'Attussion's Politics Show . If you haven't already , please check out my primary internationally available book , terror Strikes , coming soon to a city near you , available anywhere books are sold . If you have a locally run bookstore still near you , they can order it for you . And let me remind , over time the fancy high production items will come . But for now , for starters , it's just you as a very appreciated listener by me . All subjects , no fluff , just straight to key discussion points . A show that looks at a variety of topics , mostly politics , through a Christian , us constitutionalist lens . So again , thank you from the bottom of my heart . Take care , god bless , like and subscribe to Christitutionalist Politics Podcast and share episodes . We need your help .