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CTP (S3E130) If Common Sense Had A Podcast, It Would Ask “Why” A Lot
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CTP (S3E130) If Common Sense Had A Podcast, It Would Ask “Why” A Lot
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond
We press into why as a civic habit, from childhood curiosity to adult responsibility, and challenge listeners to test claims by outcomes rather than slogans. Tony EL shares how a military upbringing, history, and education shaped his approach to questioning narratives and defending free thought.
• recovering the habit of asking why across life and politics
• tradition that works versus change that regresses
• judging policies by outcomes and fruits
• history, labels, and how narratives polarise
• education, civics, and critical thinking skills
• journalism’s who what where when why how as daily tools
• practical steps for source checking and media literacy
• guest link http://ProjectThirdIOpen.com
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Hello, welcome to another episode of Prestitutionalist Podcast. I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard. That's L-E-N-A-R-D. It looks French. It's not, it's wonderful down and oh. Thank you for tuning in. As Graham Norton used to say on his show. Let's get on with the show. Hello, everyone. This is gonna be a quick cheat intro segment. I'm gonna be lazy. I've got so many guest recordings built up. I'm gonna get lazy and cheat on some Saturdays. I don't have to dream up a monologue topic this way. So, and I'm also not gonna say what guest will be appearing because I'm gonna be lazy and cheat and use this same intro several Saturdays to intro a guest show. So, as Graham Norton used to say, let's get on with the show. Surprise interview to hello everyone. Welcome to another Christitutionalist politics. And joining me today will be Tony L. I'll be asking him, of course, what it feels like to be part of the alphabet and how M and N O P are doing. But I'm bummed, just a joke. It's spelled E L, okay? And of course, in post, I'll put that in at the bottom of the screen for those viewing behind the scenes. But Tony, I saw his online write-up, and he brought up why. Again, not the letter why. We're not talking English alphabet, but WHY. And my response to him was but the whole slate of journalism tenants, I'm reading from my notes, who, what, where, when, why, and how are all out the window these days for preferred narrative propaganda rather than journalistic integrity. But before we get to that, welcome to the show, Tony. How are you doing?
SPEAKER_00:I'm blessing how they feel. Thanks, thanks for having me on, Joseph.
SPEAKER_01:Glad to have you, glad to have you. And like I always say, could be better, could be worse, right? So before we get into why you're all about the why, pun intended, where were you born and raised? Where are you now? Some significant places you've been to in between, that sort of stuff. Sure.
SPEAKER_00:Um, I I I'm I'm a southern born Georgian boy. I got I got I got the red clay running through my blood. My folks are from South Georgia, as far as um back as I understand. Um we've been in the South for forever. Um my dad was in the military, so I was blessed to um be raised in the military family in so many ways, because um what has not gone unappreciated was being exposed to a lot of different cultures. Um not just foreign, but also um domestic. Um I don't know if you had this experience, but you know, when you're brought up in a uh period where you have to be able to um uh adapt um not just to um new surroundings but new people. Um and sure, there's some people who don't do it, you know, um properly, uh, keep the issues, but when you do it and do it well, I think is it's it's a plus um because you don't have this one um way of looking at things um as a person as a person who uh raised and born in the same area code area code. You have a different perspective on the world, uh different viewpoint on of the world. And um and I really appreciate that. I didn't appreciate then you know, didn't appreciate it all there. There's a lot we don't appreciate till we get older. Yeah. But um as I as as I um have have gone into adulthood, um as you say, I had to uh leave childless things behind. Um and that and growing up like that and and being an inquisitive person, the why, um, I never lost that. Um we we we have you have children, people who have children, we we we see that when they're born, that's that's their motive, that's the MO. Why? You know, why explore, how, what, you know, all of that.
SPEAKER_01:An insatiable curiosity.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly, exactly. And for whatever reason, good or bad, that's beat beaten out of us as we get older. Uh, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_01:Right, yeah, just accept it, just be a sheeple, just follow the herd, just follow orders.
SPEAKER_00:Exactly. And and um and that's not good for a culture and a country that's supposed to be free, of free-minded individuals. Free-minded individuals, they don't have that uh handicap um of no uh or not questioning why why not? Um, but that's kind of culture that we have morphed into, much to our detriment.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, you said a couple things. Red Clay, been there, done that, and if you've never been to Georgia and never seen My Cousin Vinny, the movie with Peshi and Marissa Tomei, you gotta see My Cousin Vinny and inside baseball, there is a My Cousin Vinny sequel, supposedly, in the works now, finally.
SPEAKER_00:But yeah, the red clay if you don't leave the classic alone, leave the classic alone. Yeah, I I um on that point, I did see that that that they're trying to bring back um um Harlem Knights with uh that that's Eddie Murphy, um uh uh Richard Pryor.
SPEAKER_01:They're trying to reboot a bunch of them. Yeah, that just goes back to we have we have been able to imagination, they've got to reboot it, no imagination, and they don't want to push the envelope, right? Yeah, and the other thing you says uh adapt, right? The adage adapt or die, figurative, not literal, hopefully, most times, but there are times indeed it can be literal that that adage. So, yeah, when I saw your profile and the word why jumping out, it's like absolutely uh and but we've always done it that way is not a valid answer.
SPEAKER_00:Not at all, not at all. No, it's it's the word evolution comes in. Um just because you done it yesterday, don't need unless unless it's positive, unless it's it's it's it's it's a good thing, you know. Um unfortunately, um um progressivism um in today's culture is is to me is a four-letter word because it's anything other than progress.
SPEAKER_01:It's not progress, it's regression. Yes. Today's left wants to go back from a we the people constitution republic closer to a democracy that they keep claiming they want, but they don't. They want to go, they are leftist, they want to go back towards monarchy, socialism, communism, fascism, all one or small group of elites ruling over everyone. That's not progress, that's regression. And as you said, I was gonna chime in tradition. I am a traditionalist if it's a positive thing, as you said, right? But question the how, the who, what, where, when, why, and how, and can it be done better? Not just oh, change for the sake of change, or oh my feelings are hurt.
SPEAKER_00:Right.
SPEAKER_01:BS if it works, let it work, and shall be known by fruits. Show, don't tell. I don't give a rat patootie. The promises spewing from your mouth, like the inflation reduction act, which was the inflation production money laundering scheme to their families, friends, and donors, and inflation ran out of control. They give these bills wonderful titles, and they do the exact opposite, right? Show, don't tell. Shut up and do, and yes, you will be judged in the Bible. There are many scriptures we are to judge. Matthew 7. There's more than just that first seven words. It's really condemn not, lest ye be condemned for final judgment is for the Lord. But there's 12 other scriptures tell us to judge biblically ourselves and everyone else on the same standards. Don't be a hypocrite. So, yes, I judge you based on your effects, not your empty promises. That's a whole part of our problem today. People just watch the news and so-and-so, oh, I you're chicken in every pot. Yeah, like they're not telling you their actions are making that chicken cost ten times more than what it used to.
SPEAKER_00:Right. Agreed, agreed.
SPEAKER_01:Okay, let me move my soapbox off to the side. Rant over. Back to the why. When did you first have this epiphany that there's not enough questioning the why and keeping the good, not throwing out the baby with the bathwater, right? Changing what is bad, like our constitution. The three-fifth clause, Frederick Douglass was a leftist until he educated himself on the constitution and what the three-fifths clause was about. Not to protect slavery, but to limit the power of the slaveholders and the slave states. He became a Republican after that. But people love to quote his once a slave, always a slave speech that he later recanted. And that's because he asked why.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, first of all, let me let me make a slight correction. Um, Frederick Frederick Douglass was not a leftist in today's sense.
SPEAKER_01:Um, no, right. Thank you for the correction. Yeah, he's not a leftist. I mean, he was that time. Yeah, he was he was a Democrat.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, well, well, well again, I mean, there was no substantial Democrat back then either, um, at the time. So um he didn't federalist. He did right, he didn't know we didn't know. Um, so he didn't know we didn't know. And when when he did learn, um he he couldn't unlearn. And um um, so so that's what I want to put for Federal Douglas.
SPEAKER_01:Um, yeah, but the slave mentality was continued. Slaveholders didn't want the slaves to be educated, and same post-slavery, they wanted like today, our education system remove civics, remove history, remove keep the people dumb, and they're easily fooled.
SPEAKER_00:Sure, sure. I mean, well, I mean, again, uh the the product is the same, but how how the the the ingredients will mix are totally different. Um back then there is I mean it everything's based on economics, first of all. Um and and and when you ask um how that I developed or or didn't relinquish the uh my propensity to be questionable, be to be curious, always had this natural curiosity and all stood from being able to see how the culture was in a military um community where everybody mixed, you know. Um I did most most of my growing up outside of the South. Um and I came only to the South, you know, during the summer, you know, and I spent most of my time with my grandparents on a farm. But I was never in the communities until um 1976, when my dad moved back down to um Columbus, Georgia. Then we was in the South. That's when I was like, oh yeah, different years.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah, I didn't know there was a Columbus, Georgia. I never saw that when I was in uh the in the state of Georgia. There's a Columbus, Ohio up closer to me. That's the more famous Columbus, yeah. So you did the whole old McDonald's thing on the farm for a while, huh?
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, yeah, but uh during the summertime, during the summertime. So um, but when I got exposed to the South and all the don't do's, can't do's, should not do's, I was like, what the hell? Um and um, and so that's a curiosity because, like, okay, from what I understand, I mean, as far as trying to date women, this just whatever, there was this group of women that I I shouldn't approach all of a sudden, Caucasian women. And I was like, okay, but uh, how does this make sense when it seems to be okay when they are able to um go with boys from cultures that we went to war with, Asian, Mexican, sister, whatever, but I'm off limits? Nah, I don't that don't make any sense to me. Somebody got to explain that to me, and that just evolved more and more and more. Why are we separated? The the the the two most um powerful groups in in our community, the Negro community and the Caucasian community, are supposed to be for whatever reason at odds. And I nobody could really intellectually explain that to me. And it wasn't until roots hit the airways that people just lost their mind. And now that that community now, yeah, you know, and that's and and that's my heritage, slavery. And I know where part you missed that part. When when did this happen? And from that point on, we were in in this two camps, you know, and I never experienced anything culturally like that before in my life, and that has changed, that changed our culture, our way of speaking, our way of interacting to me, to where we are now, where the BLM, all this other nonsense has to take root. But before that, was it perfect?
SPEAKER_01:No, but it wasn't like you know, reparations and you know, you know, they they killed Lincoln, the guy who was actually going to give reparation. 40 acres of the mule people, you remember that?
SPEAKER_00:It never made sense to me. And and that and that that that morphed and and that um, you know, the snowball effect, the more and more I dug and dug and dug, and the more I looked at law and and and and how that's applied to our culture, um, and looked at the the success that blacks have had in this country where you go back to the revolutionary war in before then, look at our culture, and uh often right, and I'm I'm uh and I'm doing uh doing I'm looking at a podcast right now, don't get ready to do the absurdity that our history begins in 1965 to so many people is so repugnant to me. You know, it's just like and then and then uh I hear this this this uh regurgitation of that we we were slaves for 400 years. I'm like, wait, the country's not even 300 years old. So somehow the math don't really work to me. Somebody got explained that to me. How does that work? There were many, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:David Barton, great historian, works with Glenn Becker. He does a great job.
SPEAKER_00:I I've been to several episode about black patriots.
SPEAKER_01:I'm like, absolutely, a lot of free blacks fought for this nation at its creation for the hope of freedom and individualism, freedom for all, biblical community, free Martin Luther King Jr., this leftist cultural Marxist racist garbage. You and I are of the same race. We have different skin tones, we may have different subcultures, we are of the same race, not a different race. Martin Luther King Jr. content of character. A whole lot of white people I know I wouldn't associate with have nothing to do with skin tone.
SPEAKER_00:Right. That's what it's fueled. My my my wanting to go down this rabbit hole more and more and more because it's just so much that is being lied about. Um and and and it all seems to be part of this grand scheme to keep us separated. And but the the cultural Marxists divide and conquer identity policy. You know, the well um the elite through the um the pauper. So they they they had to create this that this other set of white people. We couldn't all be Europeans or whatever. So so so so now you are white people and and um and and and I'm And I'm the the um non-white I'm Caucasian, so uh you're white people or what my grandparents used to call you're the crackers, you know, which which you don't hear that often. Um that that digital connotation, but that's still where we look at the separation of our classes, where there's an elite class of blacks here, and there's an elite class of whites here, but they want to keep those who are not elites fighting amongst themselves so they can keep keep going with their wealth. But we on the on the lower end keep falling for this okay dog and not understanding that there is a reason why they don't want us to get along in all economics, yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Uh uh uh Kanye, who gets flaky at times, was involved with the creation of the Harriet movie came out years ago. Great movie, but even in that, they don't mention her as a Republican, right? She was part of the abolitionist movement, the whole foundation of the GOP here in Jackson, Michigan as the abolitionist party. Lincoln, a Republican. A lot of people, kids now, we don't teach history, they think he was a Democrat. That's like having right, so tub he and people don't know the NAACP founded by abolitionist Republicans to protect, and it's the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. That's not derogatory, if it were, then change the name of the group.
SPEAKER_00:Well, well, again, again, the NWCP was restored by W Du Bois, and W de Boyce um he he was of the mindset of the elites. What what what what people want to look at when did the uh Negro people as a community leave the Republican Party? I point to that period of time uh under um under Waldo Wilson, where there that there was a battle going on between um W. D. Boyce and uh Booker T. Washington for the soul of the of the Negro community. Booker T. Washington, he was definitely a person who looked at having something to come to the table with, having your own, being being um um one who um had money, um one not not necessarily wealthy, but had control of your own means, you know, um uh being being being um um uh frugal, being one who was um of of the independent, I don't need government kind of mindset. Where um W De Boyce, he was of the elite mind. He was of we're gonna form a group and we're gonna tell the Negro people how to react as a group. So WD Boyce is definitely not a fan of mine, need to be able to do it. Yeah, but at the same time the NWCP. NWCP has done nothing fruitful, in my opinion, for the economic independence of the black community.
SPEAKER_01:Especially not today. How is it an advancement of colored people? Again, it's in the name people, to kill your children in the womb. And still disproportionately more blacks are killed in the womb than any other group per capita, per, you know, basis of uh uh population, whatnot. But my point with the NAACP, other abolitionists involved, and to protect gun rights of former slaves who were being slaughtered, both white and black Republicans, by the KKK formed by the former slaveholder Democrats. So I mean they did some good, but I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you.
SPEAKER_00:It's not what what what are you what what are you getting credit to A in the WCP for?
SPEAKER_01:I for some help early on. For for protect helping to to want at least want to, but again, actions, right? Try being part of uh protecting gun rights for blacks to be able to defend themselves against the KKK. Most of the Jim Crow laws, the gun laws all come from the left, and mainly why to disarm black people.
SPEAKER_00:Okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01:Right? But again, we don't teach history, so people don't know any of that.
SPEAKER_00:Well, I mean, but I mean, but I I think when you gotta look at the education system, you gotta look at one, um, as I did a recent podcast, the the um education system was never designed or meant to be on under the auspices of the federal government. Um that's why it's not it's not missing the constitution.
SPEAKER_01:Department of Education is unconstitutional.
SPEAKER_00:So it's very new, and people understand that's that that's only created under another Socialist Democrat, uh Jimmy Carter. It's a very, very recent, recent institution. Um talk to people, you will think that that it's been around since the the beginning of of the of the uh of the republic.
SPEAKER_01:Um and the and the general decline of education in America and everywhere else goes even back a little further to Thomas Dewey. People will remember the Dewey Decimal system. Well, he's the progressive who's really regressive, who started us down this road to dumbing down our own children.
SPEAKER_00:Yeah, very much so, very much so. The education system is definitely where it all begins. And uh I I did uh recent uh podcast um breaking down um silent weapons, secret war, um, and that and and and that that bought into how um um the elites look at education. Then there's another book um the the dumbing down of education. Um person who's actually an educator from from the inside described how everybody was was designed and created to be almost robotic. You know, the the bell rings, everything stops, the the bell rings again, everything starts. So, and that's not really that's that's not natural thinking um you know at all. Um so it's this robotic um conditioning that we are all in, and now and now we look at not how how we came to two plus two equals four, or how the vowels come out together to form a word. We look at we're agreed upon the end result. Yeah not necessarily how we got here. So now we're having this educational system where no one cares about critical thinking, you know, critical thinking about how do we come to um an opinion. We don't even ask, well, what do you what do you think about something, Sally? How what do you think about this, Johnny? It's not how you feel about this, how how how you feel about this, and and and and that's a totally different part of our brain. Where when I was going with you, when you were going, we had to we had to sound outwards to get the word to come out. We had to show our work how do we arrive at two plus two equals four, whatever. Um this new math and this and this the comic core garbage common core nonsense, you don't learn that that's how kids don't well or is it's contracting. People don't want to hear long stories or or or books or or songs, they want everything here and now, right?
SPEAKER_01:Common core tries to incorporate the algebraic show me your work and this is how you get there. But you don't need common core show me work, manipulate what is two plus two. That's for flashcards. You if if you can't understand that basic math based on memorization, then all the other math is worthless. But you hit the key words, conditioning, they want to indoctrinate, not educate, condition people how to think and what to think, not be, as you said, critical thinkers. And indeed, to bring it back to why you're here, why ask the why? Or as I say, all the journalism tenants, if you know, I'm not for forcing things, but I would greatly encourage every child to take a journalism class, right? Because who, what, where, when, why, and how are important in every situation. And today's media, they just they're not journalists, they're just reporters. Chucky Schumer, what do you have to say? Tell us a lie, and we'll just regurgitate it on air. No fact-checking, no nothing, no pushback. But anyway, time has flown. And uh, so do you have a website for people to reach out to you?
SPEAKER_00:Sure. Um, of course, Project Third Eye Open. That's Project Third spelt out, the letter I open. O P-E-N-E-D.com. Definitely on um the your favorite um social media platforms, definitely reach out to me there. And if you want to uh reach out to me directly, do Tony L at Project Thudeopen.com.
SPEAKER_01:And again, that's not L M O P, that's E L. Well, thank you, Tony, for joining. This is why I don't script shows, it's why I don't send. Oh, here's the standard questions I'll be asking you to guests, nor do I expect you to say much about who you are and what you're about before you come on. Hey, we just open it up and whatever rabbit holes happen, we go down them here.
SPEAKER_00:I just want to definitely encourage everybody to really, really look around and ask the question why, because there's there's a lot of crazy things going on, and uh uh and we there is a day of reckoning coming for this country, and it's not due to the to the American people, it's due to the uh primarily um contracts and agreements that the U.S. government um got itself involved with years and years ago, and and and this um um and pretty much took us down the the the wrong path. Um but the ignorance of the American people, not not necessarily to blame the people themselves, but it is what it is.
SPEAKER_01:I mean we we We are all ignorant of things we've yet to research ourselves. But when you look at how how which is different than stupid, which is not wanting to learn.
SPEAKER_00:Stupidity to me is the people person who just refuse to learn. Um so but but but we we we have been created to be ignorant because if you look at people um who or look at the makeup people who grew up during your time, Joseph, um it's it's not not the same creature um at all. Um and and that's deliberate. And if we look around and we individually question, you know, because progress is supposed to be where we always added on to the generation that that this came before us, we're regressing. So, but if we all stop and think, what how how can this be? And once we start asking the question why and question how, we will have to put forth some effort and some energies to come to an answer and maybe a response to do something about it for ourselves.
SPEAKER_01:Yep, yeah, the question why, as in motivation matters, right? Why am I doing the show? My motivation matters because I'm a Christian and I care about others, I care about truth and reality. Right, others are lying to you. Why? Because it's about power and control for them, not caring about you. It's more money, more power for them, the ruling elites, as you use the rules of elements.
SPEAKER_00:I mean, people will say that, and and they will say that as as a derogatory thing. We all want to be rich and wealthy. Um maybe within their boardrooms when you're having discussions such as this. Um, but in the manner that they're going about destroying this country, I can't speak for anybody else, but this country, I think, is what bring brings my IR up because our country was designed for free people, free thinking people of all different colors and backgrounds. But the fact that we have been dumbed down, that that we now we are working against our best interests, working against our own country, that's where we also be as free-thinking individuals, who once you ask that question, why? I guess my people who do not want to do that, because now once you ask that question, now you gotta do something about it.
SPEAKER_01:Free people and free thinkers, as well as religious people. John Adams said our constitution is for a religious, moral people, it is wholly inadequate for any other. One of the reasons why I teach and preach from this pulpit, so to speak.
SPEAKER_00:Well, let me see. But also the the more morality base as well. The the the the the the the moral the moral um education that that comes from the Bible, which is why the constitution was definitely founded on Julia the the Bible, the Judah Christian Bible.
SPEAKER_01:Yeah, yeah. Okay, we could go for hours, like I could do with it most guests. So, but indeed to wrap it up, uh Tony L E L, Project Third Eyeopen.com, and the I is not I as an eyeball. It's in the letter I in that case, with all the alphabet jokes I've done. This time it really is a letter. All right, thank you, Tony. Take care, God bless. Oh, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, don't go away yet. Couple thoughts I wanted to add on. I wanted to push this episode too much longer, though. The point I was partially trying to make regarding NAACP has to do with all kinds of organizations, is what I mean to say, right? No matter what they are, when they are formed, you sometimes have people with competing personal sub-agendas and motives, right? As a organization grows. You have more people come in, sometimes with their own personal sub-agenda, their own motives, may not necessarily be looking to join and grab the rope in the tug of war of issues and pull in the same direction. There are competing issues, so there are good people and bad people in every organization, right? Take, for example, the ACLU. When I was running for office in the 90s, you can still see the archive campaign website of mine. I can't change it now because it's an archives, but it says an association with the ACLU. I sure wouldn't be saying that today. ACLU is nothing but an arm of the DNC today. There were good and bad in the ACLU then. It's all bad, in my opinion. Now if I were running for office now, which I'm not gonna be, I my campaign site would say ACLJ, not ACLU, right? Same Southern Poverty Law Center, right? I don't know. In my my opinion, I've only known them as negative leftists, arm of the DNC, like the ACLU is now. There may have been a time when it was created. Good people with good intentions might have started it. I don't know. I don't know its history. All I know is I would have nothing to do with it today, and they are nothing but negative and destroying this nation. But anyway, the point, right? Good and bad, people and everything, people have sub-agendas, their own motivations, not necessarily in line with an organization. And the other thing, right, shall be known by fruits and show don't tell. I don't care what you say, your actions speak louder than words. And I had just gone to lunch, come back and heard a song that was about boats, which sprang the thought. Is did Al Gore, Bernie Sandart, and uh Al Gore, Barack Obama, and others buying boats to rise with all those waters they say are gonna overflow and overrun our coastal lands? Florida was supposed to be entirely underwater by now. Did they buy boats so that they could rise with the waters they claim is gonna want us all under? No. They bought beachfront houses. Yeah. They're hypocrites, they're liars, they want you to give them money for their themes, their cons. But they buy beachfront property showing they don't believe what they say. And they they're not their primary properties, of course, right? Their second, their third, their fourth mansions on the beach. And anyway, that that's all. Thank you all. Take care. God bless. Love you all. Like and subscribe to Christitutionalized Politics Podcast and share episodes. We need your help.
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