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We trade puns and real talk with author Sheila K. Collins about why grief does not move in tidy stages and how art can help us carry loss without shutting down. We explore storytelling, memory, legacy, and creative practices that keep us connected to the people and lives we love. 
• the backstory behind “Sheila K.” and why names matter 
• growing up in Louisville and how arts communities shape us 
• The Art Of Grieving and the spiral model of grief 
• why people avoid grief conversations and what to say instead 
• using music, movement, crafts, and found objects as creative coping tools 
• building rituals for anniversaries and keeping legacy alive 
• co-destiny and turning loss into purpose through giving and research 
• Interplay improvisation and using humor to make the heavy lighter 
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A Short Story: A Lasting Legacy? book Trailer

Transcript

Welcome And Schedule Notes

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Hello, welcome to another episode of Pristitutionalist Podcast. I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard. That's L-E-N-A-R-D. It looks French. It's not, it's wonderful down and all. Thank you for tuning in. As Graham Norton used to say on his show. Let's get on with the show! Special segment for February and March. Midweek drops. Normally Saturday monologues and normally a guest appearance on a Wednesday, February and March, two a week, Tuesday and Thursdays, in order to get caught up on some interviews that have been stacking up. Enjoy. Joining me today will be Sheila K Collins, and that will be one of the questions. Why the middle initial K. So in her honor, let's all raise a glass. I don't have a glass, I just have my water bottle, but let's raise a glass. Like according to Google, Tom Collins in order in honor of Sheila K. Collins. A Tom Collins, according to Google, is a classic cocktail made with gin, lemon juice, sugar, or simple syrup, and carbonated water. It is served in a tall Collins glass, and quotation marks, over ice and is considered a spark, a spiked black. I hit record and I can't talk. A spiked sparkling lemonade. Key variations on the Collins family, a John Collins, the original made with Ginovir or whiskey, a vodka Collins, vodka replaces gin. Rum Pedro Collins, I guess, for other cultures, uses light wine rum. Brandy Pierre Collins, I guess, for those in France, uses brandy or cognac. Colonel Collins made with burn bourbon. Can't talk. Can't talk. Michael Collins uses Irish whiskey. Sandy Jock Collins made with Scotch whiskey. And I dare say, let's invent a new one in honor of Sheila K. Collins, the Sheila Collins. Let's add some Arnold Palmer T-Aid mix and have a Sheila K. Collins. So welcome to bartending 101, Sheila.

SPEAKER_04 2:58

Oh, yes. Quite an unusual. I wasn't expecting this to be a bar, but okay. I can play. I can play. Actually, you ask about the K. Uh my mother, my mother's story is uh our name was Smith. That was our family name. Her name was Jane, and her and my father's name was Joe. So they were looking for something different that would go with Smith. And she says that she was reading a book by an author, Sheila K. Smith, which was that was, and so she said I was named after that. And and I kept I've kept the K because there are too many Sheila Collins's. Collins is my married name, which in those days, you know, people took their husbands' names. And I did at that time. So um, so anyway, yeah, um, it would be interesting to have a female version of uh the drinks you're talking about.

Names Middle Initials And Mixups

SPEAKER_03 3:56

Exactly. What's with all this sexism, right? Darn it, we need a Sheila K. Collins blend, and we just invented it here today. And my audience knows I can't pass on Ling Puns and Wordplay. So of course I had to play off your name. And the only way I could think to do it was the drink, even though I'm not a drinker myself. So, and yeah, I got Joseph M. Leonard have to use my middle initial because my name looks French, it's not, it's actually Polish. Leonard without an O. And there is, though, a Joseph Lennard out of South Carolina, who is also a Christian author. So I have to use my middle initial to distinguish, like you have to continue to use your middle initial to make the distinction because just Google Sheila Collins, as you said, you might get the other one, or Joseph Lonard, you'll get the other one.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

It's it's worse than that. It's worse than that. When my I would get called by the grocery store that I there was a check that had bounced, and I was to come and pick it up, and it wasn't my check, but you know, so you don't you set these getting mixed up things we don't really want.

SPEAKER_03 5:22

Exactly, exactly. So, at any rate, the actual reason you're here. I saw in your pod match bio, and my regulars know I use the pod match service often to find guests for the show. Says, let's make art out of what happens to us. And I love that line. Needed to read nothing else more about you than that. So, but before we get to that, let's back up. I like to joke, put the garbage truck in reverse, right? Beep, beep, beep. Where were you born and raised? Where are you now? Significant places you may have been between, that sort of thing.

From Louisville Arts To Pittsburgh

SPEAKER_04 6:08

Okay, we're gonna do that. Well, yeah, so I I actually was born in uh Evanston, Illinois, and uh Illinois, Illinois, and uh and I grew up in uh Louisville, Kentucky. Louisville, that's how we say it when we're there, right?

SPEAKER_03 6:25

Louisville, yeah. Louisville, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_04 6:30

My dad was transferred in those days, you know, the companies just moved men around like little chess pieces, and never mind, they had families, and that was okay. So, but I was lucky to grow up in Louisville, Kentucky. Uh and that's what got me so into the arts. So uh that because they had um uh Louisville was supposed to they built a bridge and they had some money left over and they didn't know what to do. And you gotta Oh, imagine that.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

How did that happen?

SPEAKER_04 6:58

You gotta be careful what you do with the money left over. So they decided to make a community chest of the arts, the Louisville Foundation. And we kids used to take little canisters around to collect money um for these programs that we were able to be in. So I was uh my brother and I both we were in theater, we were in, I was in dance, um, there was a a Louisville ballet company I was in when I was 14. And of course, we thought everybody had this in their neighborhood. Everybody had this, but it turns out not. Louisville is still a center for art, and um, so I'm very grateful for that, yes. And then I've moved all around the country, but currently I'm living in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Penguins, boo penguins.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Well, fortunately for me, since I'm interested in the arts, we have lots of small arts groups and big arts groups. We have Symphony, we have a ballet company. I mean, we it's a really um rich, rich art.

SPEAKER_03 8:04

Yeah. Well, of course, again, my audience knows I can't pass on the puns. Who the heck are these art brothers? Right? Art one and art two. I don't like that name art. Okay, but lame pun, right? The man's name art, Arthur Scherfer. Okay, now she's laughing. I think a joke loses when you have to explain it, but anyway, again, can't pass the lame puns. But indeed, uh let's make art out of what happens to us absolutely wonderful, like uh my books. Write about what you know, as they say. Life that goes on around me. I fictionalize it, put it into books.

SPEAKER_04 8:52

Yes, and the book I would the reason I wanted to come on initially was to introduce you to my newest book, which is called The Art of Grieving. How Art and Art Making Help Us Grieve and Live Our Best Lives.

SPEAKER_03 9:07

Absolutely. And for the benefit of the 25 audio platform for the transcript, she is holding up. You can see on behind the scenes video, the Art of Grieving book there, very artistic cover. Explain the cover.

Grief Is A Spiral Not Steps

SPEAKER_04 9:24

Well, the cover is very important because grief is not a stair steps we climb. We've been taught that, okay, you're gonna feel you're gonna feel this feeling.

SPEAKER_03 9:35

Denial, anger, acceptance.

SPEAKER_04 9:37

You know it. You know, everybody knows it. And and then we get kind of mad when it doesn't turn out that way. I mean, we get we get to the top of the stairs and dust our hands off, and we're not done. Uh, it's not a done thing.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:52

So it doesn't, so the shape of it is it's a spiral.

SPEAKER_03 9:56

And that almost looks like February sequence kind of spiral.

SPEAKER_04 10:03

The spiral is the is the is the shape of how energy moves in the universe. And so, and so we, of course, are part of the universe, and that's how the energy moves within us and also between us. So, what happens is that it's not just the past is the past. Uh, the past is I have to go back sometimes to see what to get to go forward. When you asked me about my name, I said, well, this is where my name came from.

SPEAKER_03 10:34

Yeah, to know where you're going, it's good to know where you've been, why you were there, and whether you want to stay in that direction or choose a chart a new path.

SPEAKER_04 10:44

Yes. So, what anyway, how I got into all of this is you know, your life hands you things you don't want. Have you noticed?

SPEAKER_01 10:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Things you did not order. You would never order off a menu. So some of the things that happened to me was that I had um I had a uh a son who died of AIDS at 31 years old, and that was not something he wanted or I wanted, or any of the other millions of people at that time who died of that disease. So um, so then five years later, my daughter gets breast cancer, and we know about that. Everybody, you know, that's uh ubiquitous for a lot of families, and she didn't make it. So I had to under begin to understand more about how what is all this, because I ran into as I wrote about it and talked about it. Um, I I ran into people who don't think they want to hear about it. So let's, you know, people are looking for the exit. And uh so that intrigued me in a way. Why can't we talk about this? And um so then eventually then I got to this in terms of the art of it, because we are whoever you are, you're gonna have loss. And things are gonna happen that you do however old you are, however rich you are, however poor you are, it doesn't you're not gonna you're gonna need to know. So I got the notion that maybe we need to learn how to grieve, and that what and and what I recognized in looking at my own life is the arts are how we grieve. We don't sometimes don't even realize it. So think about it. You're in your car, you just broke up with somebody, the music comes on, and it's your song, right? So, okay, I mean, uh so because we're vibratory beings, we're gonna re-experience or we or remember. Now there will be a time when that will be a good memory, that will soften. Right. You had uh when you have a different uh partner or different life, it will soften. But the fact that it happened and was a part of your life, that's uh not something to uh just put aside forever. It's there and it'll come back, and that's the spiral. It comes around and the spiral comes around.

SPEAKER_03 13:18

I like that. I'm I'm in the process of planning to release in May of 2026 this book in my life and living series of books. Tentative working title is loss. I too want to broach the part of fact of life and living is we all eventually die, and dealing with that loss. And indeed, as you said, uh ups and downs. I use roller coasters as a metaphor in there, and right tears of joy, uh, tears of pain in the downtime, tears after the loss of indifference of opportunities that have been lost. I won't be able to put that song at the end of this. Uh, I don't have license of uh rights to that song I created on Suno. But regarding all the jokes I've already made, I think I'll tack on to the end of this uh episode, the tune serious about being silly, because indeed, as we're talking loss, heavy, deep, dark. We need to maintain humor also through all this, so we don't go insane ourselves along the journey.

SPEAKER_04 15:44

Exactly. So that's where getting back to that notion of making art out of what happens to us. So I became a a part of an improvisational system called Interplay, where you just make stuff up in the moment.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

Oh, wait a minute. That that sounds x-rated. We can't have oh, yeah, I know. Well, it it just it's like where you put your keys in the bowl, kind of thing. Well, no, it's just joking, people.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

We're just joking here. Well, the thing, the thing of it is Interplay was based, started by two dancing ministers, which kind of comes a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 16:23

Couldn't have been Baptists and dancing, right?

SPEAKER_04 16:27

Jokes, people, jokes, lighten up. But you're no, you're right. There are some churches where it's forbidden to dance.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

The footloose movie, right?

Storytelling Keeps Legacy Alive

SPEAKER_04 16:35

Was based on be careful here, but it that that is because it's powerful, but uh, but then there are religions where people dance, that's what they do in the temple. They dance. So that my for my in my life, that's what I did. I was a member of a dance company out of the Jewish community center in in uh Detroit, Michigan, at one time.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

I am Detroit suburb Windat.

SPEAKER_04 17:01

Okay Windat downriver, yes. Okay, so we danced in our first piece was uh Make a Joyful Noise, uh, which is from the um uh it was sung in in Hebrew and uh with the music of Leonard B. Bernstein. We danced in churches and synagogues and and uh country fairs and museums and and everything.

SPEAKER_03 17:27

So uh that's I I I don't another joke. I don't I used to write and record music. I I do it now through the Suno system, but I don't sing myself anymore because it's not a joyful no noise, it's more like a screech.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

Well well, we can still, whatever our skills, we can still use the arts, storytelling. So that's what my book is about. Storytelling. See, when people when somebody loses a let's say, uh, like a friend of mine, her sister died unexpectedly. And uh now, unexpectedly, only that she wasn't ill at the time. It's not unexpected that we're all gonna die, as you mentioned.

SPEAKER_03 18:06

We're not promised tomorrow. We don't know how short or long I have my uh uh uh I'm grabbing uh where to go. A short story lasting legacy book also deals with loss of someone dying unexpectedly younger than our we we generally live longer now into our 80s, but somebody dying in their 30s and 40s, yes, is very unexpected.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

Yeah, so uh so then what is it? So people I I decided that people don't know what to say, you know, when they just don't know what to say, so they kind of look for the exit, you know. But what I know now is that what they want and what they want is they want I always say, tell me about your sister.

SPEAKER_03 18:56

I wanna celebrate them. Don't I want to know her.

SPEAKER_04 19:00

And I have friends now that I know relatives of theirs because of the stories they've told me, and the the anniversaries we've celebrated. So on the on the day that my daughter died, one of my friends who never knew her knows that day, and we often go to lunch that day, or we so we can remember her and and uh also recognize all the gifts that we had from her.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

And and I've they are only forgotten if we let their legacy be forgotten, celebrate who they were, along with the sadness of our being absent of them.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

So, Joseph, what I'm most excited about right now is I am doing some retreats and uh the Art of Breathing retreats, and people were doing one in the Laurel Highlands of Pennsylvania, and um that one is coming up in May, and then I'm doing one in in uh New Mexico near Santa Fe in October, and uh so what happens is it turns out like I'm gonna I'm showing you something I made. So I guess I have I have now lost, I am the last remaining of the Smith family. There were six of us, and so I have uh had the I guess honor of being able to still be here. Uh so uh so I made uh I I visited uh the Mosaic Center, uh it's uh in Pennsylvania, and you you take little stones and and also things from nature. A lot of art is made out of found objects, which I love. In some ways, we're making our lives out of found objects, right? At least some of what I have is found for certainly I just it just came in. It I don't know where it came from. But uh so then you have something that reminds you and uh of the person or of in this case my family, and um, and so I can stay connected, which we're we find out is really the richness of a life is related to staying connected to who you used to be and who used to be with you and who is part of you in your heart, even today.

SPEAKER_03 21:25

Amen. I just last night literally added to the working title lost book a couple paragraphs. Dog on it, there's that frog again, uh on that keeping attached via remembrances and keepsakes again, part of that keeping a person's or in your case, as you're saying, an entire family's legacy alive and remembering through objects that will be left behind even when you're gone.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

You mentioned about legacy and uh most recently, and this is here in Pennsylvania, but um there's an organization, it's actually women uh uh who uh uh happened when when Sputneck happened. This is many years ago, but there was a concern about the fact that what what are where are we with science? Where are we with science? So they started raising money um so that we could attract young people into science, so that we still need that because there's many other careers you can have, and so this was uh money that they would raise, and then the university could use this to entice the biggest, the best and the brightest to come and study.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

Uh so um I got including or especially women, because back then we were far more patriarchal in society, and like brings to mind the movie Hidden Figures. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_04 23:02

Sure, yeah, that's right. Yeah, exactly. Well, and even in women's health, so that I I know that uh i it it was unfortunate for my daughter that women's health was not we just did the studies with men. We knew that they should be also done with other people like women, but to just eliminate one of the variables. So for many, many years that's how it was done. So my husband and I were able to contribute from a fund we had that our daughter's friends had made for her, and we were able to use that to fund a young scholar who is working on breast cancer. So I would tell you it makes my voice shake because I can't the fact that we got him you know assigned to us, but we we said we we we just what we did, we made we said anything to do with women's health because it's going to be in perpetuity her legacy and hopefully one of these days breast cancer will be taken care of. But yeah, there's lots of other things that won't be. So that notion of doing something in uh i in the grief world is called co-destiny. So part of my destiny becomes to extend her legacy or so that something she didn't get to do. She we can try to see if it can happen or help it happen, or in this case, uh reduce the possibility of other people uh having her fate. So that notion and and for those that is the the bereaved parent or the close friend, it it's a very it feels wonderful to be able to do that.

Turning Loss Into Legacy Action

SPEAKER_03 25:36

Yeah. And of course we're talking art, but it doesn't matter the art. You we've mentioned music, we've mentioned movie, we've mentioned uh arts and crafts, uh dancing. Yeah so many there I am not against teaching arts in schools. I think they we need them, not everybody's going to be a mathematician, but I am concerned we don't pay enough attention to the core Rs anymore. But art must be there because not everybody's going to be a STEM major, some may be a musician.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

Or as I've looked at this too. Uh it isn't just that art, it's just like every class. If you go to if you take a history class, you're not taking it because you want to be a historian, you know, or make your living a historian. I mean, maybe, but probably not. So uh so we have to stop always focusing on it has to, you know, what's your day job kind of thing. Um when you do an art, it it tr it comes from a side of your brain that is not as active in some of the other things.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

So part of being holistic, and by holistic in this sense, I mean W-H-O-L-E, the whole person, the whole brain in acting, as you're talking about, getting the functions of the whole brain, left and right, front and back, active.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Well, and interestingly enough, when I visited the uh the science uh center where the the lab where the cancer research is going on, it's often the creative side of the person that's doing the try this, try that, how about this, how about that? So it's really about creativity, and we want to always encourage our children and ourselves to keep focused on what can I do? What can I contribute? What it what can we do about this uh problem or this situation or this thing that's happened that I did not put on my agenda for uh on my order or my menu.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

I'm with you a hundred percent. The creative imaginative side, look at the works of Heinlein or HG Wells or even Star Trek. The things that were imagined by creatives inspire some of the science of today. Right, right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

So I'm very excited, as I said, about my particularly about this uh retreat, these two retreats that I'm doing. So I'm hoping that I can let people in your audience know they can sign up and get and come and and do this with us in May. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Yeah, I'd rather you change the name though. I'm not fond of the retreat idea. I don't like the concept of surrender. We need to call them refensives rather than retreats. Oh, you're using play on words, just all aim pun again.

SPEAKER_04 28:50

Well, here's the thing though. Oftentimes we need to get away from, retreat from, get away from the the the the relentless. I mean, it's relentless responsibilities or you know, uh focusing on the thing.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

The word meaning is purposeful here, it's not retreating as in like battle. It is indeed, as you say, retreating from, like I said about, and I will tack on the song serious about being silly at the end of this episode. Retreat from all the seriousness and just be silly and funny at times to get out of our own heads of all this heavy stuff that goes on.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

I um I also think it's a good way to look at ourselves. So I I would love to invite you to I have a class that I do online and and it's and it is and it's called Interplay, but we use and we use music, it's based in story, and so what we do is we say, okay, what's up for you today? And the person names what that is, and whoever everybody does that, and then we say, um, so uh what could you talk about? What could you talk about? You don't have to talk about it, but you could. So you kind of list the things that are up for you and the things that you could talk about, and then you decide afterwards, and that's kind of interesting because when you hear people say what they could talk about, you know a lot about them, even though they didn't talk about it. I mean they just named it. So even naming it can be a very powerful thing. So then we try then we start to make art out of whatever it is. So you you select, maybe you want to just try to see if you can get all those things in when you're doing your improv. You're you're you're maybe starting with moving the you know, the rhythm of it, and then you give and then maybe you end up saying one of the lines of it. Like, I can't stand, I can't stand this. So when we exaggerate, when we play with what's happened to us, it becomes lighter. Even when it's very, very serious.

SPEAKER_03 31:11

Yeah, a meant very serious, so and sometimes a serious subject in one way can be a metaphor and deal or analogy to deal with something else. When you said what's up with you, of course, my joke net nature, uh I would answer the sky, of course, right? Yeah, what's up the sky? Well, which would launch me then into, and I've done an episode of constitutionalists on this. What color is the sky, really? If you answer the sky is blue, wrong answer. As a right, as a declarative statement, the sky is blue is scientifically false. It is actually opaque, it is clear. You look up at night, you see black, the actual color of space out there, devoid of light, you see through the sky because it is opaque, it appears blue because of reflectivity and prism effect of the sun off our waters. It can appear orange, it can appear green at times, it can appear gray at times, so the sky is clear or opaque is the proper scientific answer.

Interplay Humor And Hopeful Closing

SPEAKER_04 32:41

And it and there's also a projection of your own emotions. So we have somebody who comes on this uh Friday morning uh class uh or experience with interplay uh from uh from um Israel. And uh and he used to be in Pittsburgh, that's how I know, you know, we used to do stuff in Pittsburgh, and when he moved, he has his wife is from uh is from um that country, and they have grandchildren there. So, you know, grandchildren always are a big pole. So so they moved there a number of years ago, but uh he came on one day right after the uh October 7th event, and we were just so grateful to see him because we didn't know how he was and how his family was, and and he was and and we said, How are you? How are you? And he said, Oh, it's so wonderful to see your smiling faces. And so he couldn't stay very long at the time, but what that taught us, and so we made a song for him, and and and uh what it taught us is that maybe we have a responsibility to not just focus on we know about the war, we know, yes, yes, it's awful, it's terrible, and but we want to hold on to why we're even what we're hoping is it's gonna be. We hold on to the smiling faces, the soft tones. We don't want to give that up because that is the human condition that we are we are holding up, we are making art out of something so that we can hold that up.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

Although I have an issue with John Lennon and Imagine. No, sorry, silly, there's no such thing as perfect, trying to sing about and pretending perfect is ever gonna happen is not realistic. So, you know, clinging to things that are achievable as like you're referring to in your song there. We can achieve through ourselves, starting with ourselves, trying to make it a better world one person at a time. That's achievable.

SPEAKER_04 35:02

Yes, but it also takes more than one person, so it's really our connection.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Well, you start a movement, yes, you start a movement.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

That's the the sense of the connection that and so that's one of the things that, for instance, singing, I mean singing, when people start singing together, that becomes very powerful for individuals and for the uh people they're giving the message to.

SPEAKER_03 35:30

Now I mentioned John Lunn and Imagine. I have a video exclusive show on my platforms about the White Lion song when the children cry, also a very aspirational kind of song. So I talk about well, what is really achievable and all that, and I get it right as an author, as a writer of songs myself. Sometimes you say things in the song because it flows, not because it's realistic, it's it's metaphor for something we hope that we're able to achieve. So there's that, but at any rate, time has flown, and indeed, as like with most guests, I never script shows, a lot of rabbit holes opened up, which we drove down, we went way beyond let's make art out of what happens to us. But thank and I didn't say your name enough. I like to repeat the name through the episode so it sticks with people. Thank you, Sheila K. Collins, not the drink, though we invented a new version in your honor today, for joining today. It was a great discussion.

SPEAKER_04 36:47

Thank you very much, and I hope to see some of your uh hear from some of your viewers if they're interested in doing uh and that's the last question.

SPEAKER_03 36:57

Do you have a website for people to find you?

SPEAKER_04 37:01

I do, and the wonderful part about my website is it's my name. As it is for a lot of people.com sheila kcollins.com. Yeah, yeah, you just have to just have to spell it right. It's she s-h e I L A K C O L L I N S. And yes, you can find all kinds of good things in there, videos and uh descriptions of my other books and uh hopefully of these upcoming retreats.

SPEAKER_03 37:34

And yet another reason why you should watch my show on the five video platforms as opposed to just listening on the 25 plus audio platforms. I actually think I'm up to 40 now. It will your name and the website will be in post, put as a scroll at the bottom of the screen for all to see so they won't get the spelling wrong. Plus, to see that you held up your book and to see that you held up that piece of art. So again, thank you, Sheila K. Collins, it was a pleasure.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

Great, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

All right, take care, God bless.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

Building a pile, in box on fire, calendar shouting, emergency choir, phones all buzzing like anxious bees. I'm scheduling panic between my pleas. So here's a little song about doing it wrong with this something. The words too loud and the nudes too strong. So I'll sing along. About nurses, yeah, absolutely not. Like stopping carbon, you know. Take a break, take a dance. You didn't even make take a thought, let it drop, let the heavy story stop for a minute, for a three, for a half bad find the woman. Yeah, this is a single little song about nothing important and wrong. That's the fun thing. We know I feel sharp, and the edge too strong. We defend the joy with a dumb song. Just a single little song about nothing. And that's really saying something.

SPEAKER_03 40:53

Thank you for having tuned in to another Christitutionalist podcast show. I really appreciate that you stop by. Again, please like, share, subscribe. We need you to help spread the constitutionalist movement. Thank you again. Take care. God bless. Love you all.