CTP (S3E149) Data Centers Questions and Solutions

CTP (S3E149) Data Centers Questions and Solutions
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We challenge the hype and fear around new data centers by focusing on what actually changes local water use and electric demand. We argue that if these projects are inevitable, the public should push for clear engineering answers and enforceable rules instead of empty talking points.
• why the show pivots from air cooling to water-cooled data centers
• why water near electronics feels like a bad risk
• open-loop water use versus closed-loop recirculation
• why requiring air-cooled systems could be a workable local compromise
• why promised data center job counts are often inflated
• how tax revenue can grow without real relief for residents
• how political sound bites fuel confusion instead of solutions
• requiring rooftop solar and small wind to reduce grid strain
• the limits of stopping projects when incentives are aligned
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SPEAKER_00 0:08

Hello, welcome to another episode of Prostitutionless Podcast. I am your host, Joseph M. Wanner. That's L-E-N-A-R-D, it looks French, it's not it's wonderful down the ho. Thank you for tuning in. As Gram No used to say on his show, let's get on with the show. Hello, gang. How are you doing? This is a cheat segment. I am recording this as a lead-in to a standard Saturday show that is going to now air through the audio platforms 25 plus of Christitutionalist Podcasts. What was formerly a CTP video exclusive that I feel needs to go out as a regular show. So bear that in mind when recorded, it was a video exclusive. So uh the dates, it could be from a month ago, it could be from a couple months ago, so bear that in mind when you hear things regarding time frames, it may be from a while ago, so particular references may be a little dated. And this segment of cheat, right? I'm recording it, I'll be using it with several video exclusives turned Saturday episodes. Without further ado, let's get on with the show. This video is Data Centers Three or Data Centers Update. As new information comes in, we have to understand we might have to pivot. I have to backpedal a little. I have to update a little bit. I have to pivot from data centers to video. I was talking about traditional cooling of computer system rooms, server rooms, whatnot. Generally, they are free on like based cooling air cool systems. However, I am learning now and I haven't seen all the details. I would like someone to lay out the details for me. More modern concept for cooling data center server farms is somehow a water-based system. Now, as a former IT guy, electronics and water don't mix. So first thought, really stupid idea. Now of course, well, water will be in pipes and what pipes burst. So really stupid idea. Putting that aside. Now, is it more efficient? Some might argue it is. Is it cheaper? Most likely why they want to do that instead. But again, really stupid idea. Getting water anywhere near your electronic equipment. What are you gonna run the water through your walls or run the water through your floor, even if in pipes again, pipes can burst? You get water anywhere near them electronics, and you got major problems. But again, I am speaking. We are all ignorant of that which we've yet to learn about. And I am ignorant of this water-based cooling concept as of now as I am recording this. Honest and open with you about that. The other thing is why is it an open loop water cooling system that it's can gonna use all this water as opposed to a closed loop system where, yeah, it will initially take water, but then it just reuses the same water. So it isn't gonna run up and use up all the water where a data center goes, which is what data center two video was about. This concept of it's gonna use up all the electricity and run up electricity rates. I'll address that again in a second, but oh, it uses a ton of water. Yeah, I'm concerned about that. I would be concerned. Why not use an antifreeze system? Now, what well the computers do a lot of heat. There's no threat of them freezing. Yeah, antifreeze coolant, like in your car, a closed loop system, anti-freeze to make sure it doesn't freeze. Now with data centers, except for like in cold, frigid states like Michigan, I'm in. The general threat of it, freezing is slim, but it has to be accounted for to make sure it will circulate when needed. But the coolant aspect of it is what we're talking about here and needed here, right? Your antifreeze slash coolant in your car is meant to keep your car from overheating. Data centers, a lot of heat. You want to prevent the servers from overheating. As a former IT guy, I've been in a computer room when the AC went out and the room 98 degrees, and somehow the computer's still running, but might seize up and stop at any minute. And I was running fans to try to the doors and windows open, which you normally don't do in a computer room, to try to funnel the heat out. At any rate, back to cooling when they do work. Use a closed loop coolant like an antifreeze in your car system. You're not using up water. Well, that liquid might be expensive, and it's still a liquid. It's a really bad idea. The general concept is not a good concept. Getting any of that stuff anywhere near your electronics, just not a good idea. So the solution here is obvious. Even though conservatives don't like government meddling and regulations, sometimes to provide a compromise so that they because I hate to break it to you. It's like 5G rollout and people constantly protesting. How well did that work for you? Did you stop the 5G rollout? No, you didn't. You're not going to stop most. You might stop some data centers from going into local municipalities near you, but you're not going to stop all the data centers from being built. So realistically, and this show is about dealing in things realistically. You're not going to stop them. So, how is it best to mitigate your concerns? My concerns too, I don't want them using a bunch of water. Solutions then become the question. Well, regulation, which we don't like, but as a compromise requiring them, if they are to be built in the state of Michigan or whatever state you're or the county you reside in or the city you reside in, in order for them to be there, the local ordinance, the state regulation, or federal regulation, require them to be free on like gas-based coolant air cool systems. Traditional computer room air cool systems require that problem solved on the water issue. Move on. Because you're not going to stop all the data centers. So what is the compromise? What can mitigate our concerns? What can we reach a reasonable solution so that it's a win-win-win all around? These data centers are coming. I want them air cooled. It may not again, I don't know. I've not seen if you're an engineer out there with these water cool systems. Present it to me. It's more efficient and it's more cost effective. It's not safe. Again, getting liquids anywhere near your electronics as safe as you want to come. Oh, let it all be in pipes. Anyway, so problem solved. Problem solved. Rather than being out there with your sighing and whining and trying to block progress and the few jobs that will be created. Yes, that's the other. Oh, I promise all these jobs. No, no, no. You for a server farm, a computer room, you need a few operators, you need a few security guards securing the you need janitors to make sure the building stays clean. But it doesn't take a it doesn't create a bunch of jobs. Sorry, not happening. That is a lie. So yes, dismissing the promise of the lunch, will it generate tax revenue for your municipality and your state? Yes. Especially if you're a high property tax state. But that's certainly not a reason to support it. Oh, because unless if again the data center's gonna create X in taxes, so guess what? We're gonna cut the equivalent X in taxes of your personal taxes. Oh, then it's a win-win. But of course, that's not what they're talking about. More money, more, more, more for the politicians to play with and spend. No relief for you. If there was a bit of an offset and some relief for us as citizens, then okay, a partial win-win for everybody. We could talk about that. We could potentially deal with that. So I addressed the cooling thing. And the other thing is politicians, I wanted to say, because this is part of the problem that brought me into this issue with data centers, too. People, oh, it's gonna use up a bunch of water. Well, how? Why? You need to explain it to people like I just did. But the problem is politicians dealing sound bites. And far be it from me to defend politicians, but I'm going to in this case. It's not necessarily always their fault unless if they're invited on a show like mine or whatever to have a 30-minute segment to deal more in depth in a topic. All they have is sound bites to deliver. So they're out using the scare tactic about it's gonna use up all the water. And have no time to explain it because of our TikTok X Twitter attention span, as I coined it years ago. All you have is on the news a two-minute segment to get your sound bite point across, no chance to explain it to people. They want to move from air-cooled to water-cooled. How is that supposed to work? How is it? Is it indeed maybe cheaper for the data center, but it's not, and where are all you leftist environmentards, right? Oh my god, too much water being used, but you're silent on this all of a sudden? Of course. So we can solve that problem. And the electricity issue, as in the original data center episode I did, we can mitigate some of that too. Again, I don't like regulation, but it's a workable compromise. It makes it workable and achievable in this situation. Data centers are big buildings, they got lots of roof space. Require them to generate at least some of their own electricity through solar panels and wind barrel turbine electrical generation systems on their roofs. So at least while the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, which is the problem with green energy. But again, all you green scammers out there wanting to pedal windmills and solar panels as a solution to energy. No, the wind doesn't always blow and the sun doesn't always shine. But this at least as a regulation requiring them to do that, would mitigate some of the concerns about the electrical consumption and the drain on the grid, which is already in shambles and a problem, and available energy production not necessarily able to ramp up to meet the needs. Pardon me. In this situation, solar panels and wind drum barrels are more fashioned than the windmills, and they don't kill birds. Solutions, I'm about solutions, and this can mitigate our concerns. So let's work to solutions because you're not gonna stop all the data centers. I hate to break it to you. They're coming. What rather than moaning and whining, and you're going to lose, what can you realistically work towards to mitigate your concerns rather than just be a constant whiner, endlessly whining, just opposing, providing no solutions? And I say that to the politicians also that are out there. I oppose all beta centers. What are your solutions? What are your alternatives? Don't just be against something. What is your policy prescription to help deal with and at least partially solve a problem or an issue? Enough whining and complaining. What are your potential solutions? I have laid some out here. I still don't want necessarily a data center put several blocks over from me in my city. There's open space. One could go there. I don't necessarily want one there, but if one tries to move in, my likelihood of stopping it is zero. Next to zero. Right? Because there are far too many politicians getting their palms greased. Let's be realistic. So while there are politicians trying to stop it, there are all kinds of politicians getting their palms greased or just want the extra tax revenue coming in. They don't care about the electrical drain or the water waste potential, which I have provided at least potential alternatives and partial solutions to. Take care. God bless. Love you all. Hey gang, a short segue segment here to announce, yes, I will be going into another song of mine, but an invitation first to join the remix contest. What do you get? Well, nothing. There's no winners, but there's no losers either. And Suno

SPEAKER_01 25:31

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SPEAKER_02 27:45

Then there's California, sorry, I mean California dream Where the stars all glitter and the taxes make you scream Silicon Valley billionaires preaching save the planet from their jets While homeless tents line the sidewalks and the middle class just forgets Legal weed in the morning They legal everything by night Coming for the sun shines bright But the future ain't right Now back to my own backyard the great nick of game Once motor city muscle now rust and regret on the brain Detroit went bankrupt But the taxes still keep on rising Politicians promise jobs while the factories keep on closing Great lakes glisten But the economy's entertained Mike again Yeah we're trying real hard But we just keep falling back And don't get me started on Illinois State of Illinois Chicago corruption running deep like that deep dish void Politicians grinning while the taxes keep on rising high Windy city blowing smoke Making honest folks wanna cry Springfield to the suburbs Everybody's getting fleeced Illinois as hell Yeah This state's a straight up beast We're living in the states of confusion From mass hysteria to California shore State of misery in the middle make a game in Illinois forevermore Red, blue, purple, we're all confused as can be states of confusion But it's still the land of the free Lord have mercy States of confusion Yeah that's now status of the people we'll come to the states of confusion US and we sit where once we used to stand I'll play in different tunes no longer the same band Woke up in Massachusetts land of the free and the text hovered a leadership latte telling us how we did that From Boston to Cambridge is all massive area Protesting the streets while they count in their stereo yelling about tolerance but cancel you quick if you disagree Welcome to the People's Republic of Do As I Say We're living in the state of confusion Costa custom everybody playing the blank game comedy top confusion Lord have mercy on me Top New Missouri Stony State Third State of Missouri Gateway Art State and Taller Midlands in barbecue misery Kansas City State with the heartlands feeling the squeeze fly over the country getting forgotten while the coaches do as they please Show me the money, show me the job, show me where the hope went right now. Missouri's just one long state, a misery, a mental California, sorry. I mean coming for your dream where the stars will glitter and the taxes make you scream, still the company building, preaching, save the planet from the jets behind the tents, line the sidewalks and the middle class. Just forget eagle weed in the morning, little everything by night. Coming for the where the sunshine's bright, but the future ain't right. Now back to my own backyard, the great bitch again. Once motor city muscle now rust, and regret on the brain. Get track went bankrupt. But the taxes still keep on rising. Politicians promise jobs, while the factories keep on closing, great lakes to blisten. But the economies in the tank complete again. But we just keep falling back. And don't get me started on Illinois, the state of Illinois. Chicago corrupted running deep like that. Deep dish void. Politicians bringing while the taxes keep on rising high. When you city blowin' smoke, making honest ones water cross, Springfield to the summer. Everybody's getting sleep. Illinois. The state's straight up beast. Now we hit fashion soft state of six that's fine. Cowboys in the heatboard are talking down the case. Keep the chaos off the feet. Big box, bigger half of politics, that's why it's that's equal freedom. But the power's out tonight. We're living in the state, a little bit, little dick and dick, red, blue, purple. We're all confused as can be States of confusion, but it's still the land of the free. States of confusion.

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