CTP (S3EMaySpecial1) Living With Crohn’s (or other) Disease

CTP (S3EMaySpecial1) Living With Crohn’s (or other) Disease
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond   
We talk with Daniel Lugo about the first signs that led to a Crohn’s disease diagnosis and what it takes to live with a chronic digestive illness day after day. We also dig into resilience, faith, and how writing a book can turn pain into purpose without pretending the struggle is easy. 
• noticing early warning signs like blood in stool and taking them seriously 
• facing the fear of “Crohn’s or colon cancer” and getting clarity through colonoscopy 
• understanding Crohn’s disease vs ulcerative colitis and why Crohn’s can affect the whole digestive tract 
• managing chronic illness with daily medication and long-term planning 
• enduring multiple surgeries and protecting your mindset through setbacks 
• treating hardship as a teacher and choosing a more grateful perspective 
• leaning on faith when life feels unstable 
• writing a book as therapy plus practical publishing lessons like deadlines and protecting your title 
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A Short Story: A Lasting Legacy? book Trailer

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:08

Hello, welcome to another episode of First Two Storms Podcast. I am your host, Joseph Monder. That's L-E-N-A-R-D at the French Now that's wonderful about the go. Thank you for tuning in. As Brandon to say on his show. Let's go to the show. Going to join me today. I should have double-checked the pronunciation before I hit record. Daniel, Daniel, well, that part's right. Easy. Lugo? Lugo?

SPEAKER_02 0:52

You were right the first time. Lugo.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Lugo, okay. It reminds me of I'm here in Detroit, the old Fago pop commercials. Which way did he go? He went for Fago. Well, which way did he go? He went for Lugo. Daniel Lugo is going to join me to talk about Crohn's disease and other things, as I had told him about coming on the show. In February of 2025, I did a couple of health weeks. I had people on before that and people on since, not as a special defined week, talking different health-related things. But I don't know anything about Crohn's disease. So I think it's time I get educated, and perhaps you in the audience I know a little more about Parkinson's, not to try to equate anything because I don't know. I only mentioned Parkinson's because we had a friend of my sister's live with us for a while that had it. And next time I'm at the doctor, I've got to be started to check because I'm getting uncontrolled shakes on occasion in my right extremity. So it's like, but anyway, welcome to the show, Daniel Lugo.

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Thank you, Joseph, for having me on. It's a great pleasure to talk about my experience with Cronus and anything that you want to know.

SPEAKER_01 2:29

Before we get to that, let's do the usual, you know, where were you born and raised? Where are you now? I know because you told me before I hit record, but where are you now? Places you may have been, you know, between birth and now and whatnot, those sorts of nitty-gritty. How much time and for what did you spend in prison? And for the benefit of the transcript, he's laughing. He knows it's a joke. But go ahead, Daniel.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Okay, so I was born in a city called Maracayo, Venezuela. It's been recently on the news. But you know what?

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Yeah, you don't say how a little bit of excitement down there.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

Yes, a lot of excitement from my end. But um I am in Houston now. Um I've been living the Houston area for a while. I just hate traffic coming in, trying to get here on time. That's why I moved the podcast to be a little bit later because I knew I was gonna hit traffic. So I'm I'm glad that we got the chance to be here together. And yeah, that's a little bit of my story on my end of you know the my experience coming over from another country and being having a different culture.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Yeah, what year did you come from Venezuela? 2016. Okay, so uh that that was still post-Chavez Maduro era, right?

SPEAKER_02 4:04

Yeah, it was post-Chavez and Maduro, it was three years after Maduro took power because it was Maduro took power in March 20 2013.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

So and before the before the rigged re-election that he lost, that he refused to then give up power.

SPEAKER_02 4:26

They lost all of them, and in my thinking.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

That's usually what happens with communist dictate dictatorial regimes. They rig every election, but yet we have Americans, of course, talk about election denial like crazy here, and you know, when you get shenanigans go on here, because we don't want our elections to turn into what they are in the Soviet Union or Venezuela or Cuba or Iran or China.

SPEAKER_02 5:01

You know, the podcast is not about politics, but I just want to say something that I I think the I think the people will want to hear. Be glad that you have a vote. Both. You have a voice, bolt. That's all you have to do. That yeah, that's everything that you need to do, and everything unique. Like for me, if in 98 people would have voted, I don't think Chavez would have been in power. Be glad that you have an American system that has worked in 200 almost 50 years, the country has done amazing. And there are countries that are below that have gone for centuries being there, millennials. So it is be glad that you have a country. I'm glad that I'm an I am an American, that I'm here. I'm happy that you know I have my Venezuelan roots, but I'm happy that I am an American too. So I know this because it's not about politics, but I just want other people to know that you know, be glad that you have a system that works.

First Symptoms And A Scary Diagnosis

SPEAKER_01 6:05

Yeah, yeah. You'll you need to teach me a one or two Venezuelan things which then wouldn't be cultural appropriation. It's called the great melting pot here in America for a reason. We are the most diverse and uh inclusive nation this planet has ever seen. And you you say this this particular episode isn't necessarily supposed to be about politics, but yeah, I do politics here all the time. Christitutionalist is all about biblical community versus worldly communism. A big difference. Whoops, can hear can hear the alarm going off to remind me to make sure if I didn't start the Zoom room by now to start it so I wouldn't be late since we're both a little early. Uh I always like to come in early because otherwise I'll get involved in something else, get distracted and forget. And then if I don't set the alarm, it's like, uh-oh. At any rate. So indeed, tell us a little bit about the journey Crohn's has put you on. What, yeah, I mean, I don't know anything more about it than the TV commercials peddling drugs for it. That's all I know. So fill me and the viewers in.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

So I'm gonna start from the very beginning. When I started to have some issues, some symptoms. And which were the I was seeing blood in the stool. Oh. So we we knew something was wrong. At first, I thought, you know, this might be you know just today and then tomorrow it's gonna get fixed, but it didn't get fixed. Right.

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Hey, everybody occasionally has hemorrhoids act up, right? Even at a young age, that can happen. But when it's happening more and more and more, and it's happening on a regular basis, you know you gotta get checked.

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Yeah, and if I were to fix something, that would be I will get checked earlier than I did. But the doctor, when I went to, he said, you probably have two things either you have Crohn's disease or you have colon cancer. And I was like, on the one hand, I don't know anything about Crohn's. Right? Crohn's disease, it sounds scary, but I don't know anything about it.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

You were in the same boat I still am. You don't know anything, yeah.

What Crohn’s Disease Actually Is

SPEAKER_02 8:46

Then I had on the other hand, I had colon cancer, and the word cancer is already big enough. So I was like, oh my god. And when after that, I couldn't, you know, think of what's gonna be my life. It's like it's either or, it's not that I'm gonna have none, it's either or. And then in the end, it turned out after doing a colonoscopy, it it turns out that I had Crohn's disease. And for those of you that don't know that what Crohn's disease is, it's a disease in the colon and in that the digestive system. So there are two. There is user colitis that is just in the cone, and then crohn's disease, it goes from your mouth to your cone.

SPEAKER_01 9:30

Oh wow, all the way through the system.

SPEAKER_02 9:33

Yeah, so the whole digestive system is affected by cold. And it changed my life a whole lot. And it has taken me on a journey, I don't forget about a lot of hardships. But now I'm clear and I want to express my message to those that are recently diagnosed with Crohn's, those that are currently living with Crones, and to being aware to something that is becoming more common in today's society that people don't know about.

SPEAKER_01 10:05

So you you said you're clear, so like cancer, it can be treated and go in remission.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

No, right now I'm not in remission. I am what I mean by clear is that I have a clear mind, a clear spirit. Oh, okay. I'm still living with Crohn's disease. I have a medicine for it. I take it each day. So I don't know if you have seen it, been booked that's my medicine. So it has been a journey because they couldn't figure out what exactly was. So in in the diagnosis, it they had Crohn's disease and eusetic colites, so they had both. I said to myself, Bingo. I was like, it's not one, it's two of them. So okay. And then they decided to try one medicine. It worked for a while. I had to go through another surgery. So in total, eight surgeries I had to go through without minor surgeries.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

In in a way, cancer is almost like chemo and done, but this has been multiple surgery journey, huh?

SPEAKER_02 12:19

Yeah, it has it has a multiple surgery journey, but I take my hat off to those that are going through cancer because the chemo is actually something that is ruining your body because it's a medicine.

Surgeries Meds And Daily Reality

SPEAKER_01 12:37

I didn't choose the hairdo, the hairdoer, the lack thereof chose me. I had leukemia, blood cancer in 2010. I'm in remission, but yeah, the chemo and everything caused the hair to come out, so I keep it shaved now. But yeah, I and even after the drugs, then for a period of several weeks, they put me through arsenic treatment. Arsenic, which is a another poison, but little bits of poison to kill other poisonous cells, and you hope it doesn't kill the patient. And in my case, I was lucky it didn't kill me. Made me better. So you're you're on a drug, you'll need to be on it the rest of your life, then.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

I would probably guess so. It's more of what the doctor decides to do. I I don't want to risk it. Like I said, I've gone through eight surgeries, so I don't want anymore. Even though if I go through one more, it's like one more, one less. You know, but you know, I want to finish it here. Um currently writing my book, talking about all my story, everything, every single detail. I'm working on finishing the book and publishing it. I will let you know once once I release it so that you'll have to have you back later.

SPEAKER_01 14:01

For sure. For sure.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

I will welcome the opportunity anytime.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

But I don't I I'm sure you will take this in the spirit it's intended. It's a good thing you have it at a younger age, though, than an older age. Like with me, if the cancer would have come, you know, 10 years later, or if it were a cancer that would have required surgery with my other health issues, so many surgeries have become fairly routine, but there's no such thing as a guarantee. Any surgery of any kind that you go under anesthetic is a risky surgery. You may not come out of it. So when your body is younger and you're more youthful, able to handle it and to recover after a surgery, that's not a it's a small blessing. It's certainly not a it'd be a great blessing to not have it, but it's a small blessing that you had it at young age and you're able to bounce back a little more. I think you understand what I'm saying, yes?

SPEAKER_02 15:18

Yes, but the point I will argue, even though it was a struggle, I will say that it was a blessing in disguise. Because I wouldn't be doing this podcast with you right now if I didn't go through it. If I wouldn't be writing my book.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Well, maybe not. I'd love to have talked to you anyway, probably because of what's going on in Venezuela. So but yeah, I understand what you're saying, yes.

Illness As A Blessing In Disguise

SPEAKER_02 15:48

So I I would also people is like if you're going through something hard right now, just know that it's a blessing in disguise. So that there's a saying that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Yes. So I agree with that. Yes, so everything, you know, there's you can learn so many things from going through hardships. I learned so many things that people ask me if you could go back and undo everything that could happen that did happen, I would say no. I will because I'm better right now than I was before.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah, yeah, I I hear you. Like my book, my latest book, you can see in the video behind the scenes, if you're looking there, swirling around in the background here called Complicated Life and Living. Indeed, life is complex, and we're not promised the old Lynn Anderson song, I never promised you a rose garden. The world is a rough place, and I forget if it's the book of Kennedy, Project Care Prade Diem, or a short story, a lasting legacy that I indeed refer to that line as you did, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Indeed, that there's may not make you happy, but it makes you stronger.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

I will say to people, if you keep living the same life, would you be the you will be the same person? Right? But when you go down, you have the possibility of going back stronger. Okay, there are some people that when they go down, they really go down. And there's no turning back.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

But at a time Yeah, other times you almost need a rock bottom to then launch, as you're implying, like a rocket to a new, better, best life. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 17:52

I believe God put me through that because he he knew that I would get through it, and I will say to people, God puts you there because you know he can you can do it. He knows that you can, and he knows that faith gets tested in the wrong times. In the bad times, faith is tested, not in the good times. Because it's easy to have faith in the good times.

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

It's hard to have faith in the hard times. Yeah. So he goes to that with every single one of us. You went through leukemia, I went to Crohn's disease. And every single person is different. So m my person in disguise was having Crohn's disease. I wouldn't be as close as I am to my sister. I I earned friends. Of course, I've lost friends. That's okay, that's life. But life, like you said, is complex. And the more we realize that it doesn't it's not on us. You know, there's so much that we can do. Like there's people that wait for God to send them the perfect job. God will put you in an opportunity, but you have to work yourself to get there. And he will put you, he will work with you every single step of the way until you're ready and he will present the opportunity. Yeah. That's right. Not before when you're not ready.

SPEAKER_01 19:10

Right. It's like the Longfellow, and I quote Longfellow in a few of my books. In four, I've got complicated is now the fourth in my life and living series of books. In two of them, I think I directly quote Longfellow in his rainy day poem. For in every life, a little rain, both literal and figurative, is gonna fall. As you said, there's gonna be ups and downs and understanding, and all four books in the Life and Living series talk about that. It's how we react to it, right? It's like the old chumbawomba song, right? I get knocked down, but I get up again. Right? It's whether you oh, you don't know that song. Oh, it's an old 80s or is it a 90s song from some Australian band? Yeah. Chumbawumba. Uh I forget what the song's titled. Everybody calls it I get knocked down, but I don't think that's the title. Because that's the line, I get knocked down, but I get up again. No, you're never gonna keep me down. It's like it's a good positive attitude song, really, right? Shit happens. Sorry for the language, folks, but indeed, shit happens. It's how we uh it's like in also my CTP3 and four books. Anger is a normal human emotion, it's not a sin like huge is. Anger is going to happen on occasion, we're gonna get upset, but how do we react to it? How do we channel that anger, right? Like you and the Crohn's, how do you channel that challenge to then spin something good out of it?

SPEAKER_02 21:12

Yes, no, and and I will say it here, and I'm thinking of it once you were talking, like in life when you plant a seed, you need rain. Yep, you need rain and sunlight. So it's both ways. You need balance, right? There's balance. You have too much water, the plant dies.

Faith Resilience And Perspective

SPEAKER_01 21:38

Yeah, that's too much. That's even true of humans. People have died. They people are are stupid. People don't just die of alcohol poisoning. People have literally the idiotic jug water challenges. You can drink too much water too quickly, which thins out your blood and means the oxygen level is thrown off, and you can actually die of asphyxiation due to too much water. So, yeah, too much water bad, not enough water bad, you need a balance, you need some good, and yeah, you can't appreciate the positive days if you don't have the bad days to compare them to, right? If you have all good and coast through life and never had any challenges, you're not you're you weren't hot battle hardened. You you you're you were you're soft, yes?

SPEAKER_02 22:47

No, and then I I wouldn't think that in this life you would be as strong as you are, and I will be as strong as I am if we didn't go through the hard times. The the rain. Right? Because like you said, you only see the positive once you see a negative. Yeah, yeah. You're looking at only the negative, and we forget about the positive. So for example, we look through life and you often take for granted that you wake up. There are people that die in the street. So looking at that and being knowing those little things that are positive will make your life a lot more happier. And once you take into yourself that you will go through hard times, and I know this will not be my only hard times.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Right. You know, you know, once I'm done with this one, I know there's another one coming. You're sensible, reasonable, understand again, human nature, the human condition. This is a fallen world. We're we're hoping to go to a better place eventually. But I grabbed behind my green screen while you were talking a couple of memes. This one here says you have to train your mind to be stronger than your feelings, or else you will lose yourself. From Proverbs. And another one is not from the Bible, but is very biblical like life is so ironic. It as we were talking. It takes sadness to know what happiness is, noise to appreciate silence, and absence to value presence. Isn't that profound?

SPEAKER_02 24:43

No, that's that that's the way to go. I would agree. Like thinking of like there is only positive in life, that's wrong. That's wrong. Because even in when you think about it, there's a lot of wrong things in this world. But you can be the positive, you can be the light in the world, and that is what Jesus said.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

You at least can try. You may not succeed, but uh I have other memes too. On you said it, planting seeds. Like I talk in my life and living series books, planting seeds of good, sow the seeds of good, and that it leave it for God. It's then God's job to water and nurture those seeds that you plant in others to hopefully make them grow into better people.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

I I completely agree, and then like you said, we are planning the scene on in other people, and that's what we're doing in this podcast. We're planning a scene. And then once they see it and oh I'm going through and I said to myself, I have to go through an iron infusion. And then once I was saying, and the reason I was there. I put my name in your logo, and then for the reason I was there, I was iron infusion. But I look at the people before me. And they all well they are all aware of chemotherapy. And I was like, I'm going through nothing compared to that.

Writing A Book Without Giving Titles

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Yeah, and they may look at you and think otherwise, but yeah, it's because like I said, like with chemo, with me, it was a period of two months, and then it's either you're in remission or make your cemetery plans, right? Whereas your yours is dragged out a lot more with eight surgery. I uh I I I don't say that to be morbid, I say that to be re a realist, right? We were all we all began dying the day we were born. Some of us just lined up in the ground quicker. Like uh my mother's brother died the day after birth. I mean, he had no chance of living any life. So we're not promised a short or long period, which is a key theme in a short story, a lasting legacy. It's actually a novelette, but the short story part is Ryan's life is cut shorter than the general expected life expectancies of our time. I didn't bring you on to promote only my books, but I'm gonna mention another one. In my how to write a book and get it published, hints, tips, and techniques. Uh I say don't ever give away your title. So don't give away your title, but you should have a working title that won't be the title that you can kind of say what the book's about and it's the name of the project. Do you have a working title for your book?

SPEAKER_02 28:17

Yes, I do, and I I like it so much, I think it's gonna be the title.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

Oh, oh I don't know if you should give it then, but share I I found it because it's let me put it this way.

SPEAKER_02 29:15

Um I'm not gonna give it away since that's your your tip to me.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

But the general rule somebody will steal it, somebody will use AI, create a book real quick, and throw it out before your book does. So, yeah, never give away your real like complicated was the working title was complexity, similar, but somewhat different, but related. So I could talk about my book complexity, because that wasn't gonna be the title. So, yeah, come up with another title that isn't gonna be let me say it's close to the name of my podcast.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Oh, okay. It's called Out of the Gray. The podcast is called Out of the Gray, so that gives you some kind of leap of what the book is gonna be like. I'm not gonna give you a name. I'm pretty excited for the book.

Where To Follow Daniel And Final Message

SPEAKER_01 30:08

I I like that. It's kind of a little playoff of out of the blue in a way.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

It's like no, if if I continue talking, I'm gonna give it away the chance. Oh, okay. Yeah, I don't want you to do that. I'm thinking of I'm thinking of a way of not saying it, but if if I if I continue on, I think I'm gonna say it.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

It's gonna slip out, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:33

Yes, uh, I think if I continue talking, I'm gonna give it away. So I'm gonna stop it right here.

SPEAKER_01 30:39

Suffice to say, out of the gray is not about little gray aliens, right?

unknown 30:45

That's sufficient to say.

SPEAKER_02 30:48

It goes along it's most along the lines of what we're talking about here. Yes, our downs to our ups, and how we go up to our downs.

SPEAKER_01 30:56

So thank you, Daniel Lugo, for coming on. Now, do you have like my terror strikes coming soon to a city near you book? I use terror strikes, I could say that title because there's already thousands of books by that title, and the subtitle is what distinguishes it from others. So I had my site, terror strikes.info, up before uh months before the book was ever published. And as a matter of fact, you could go to terror strikes.info slash status and see the stages I was going through, you know, design and development and cover art, blah blah blah. These are the stages the book's in till it came out. Do you have like an author site that isn't your book title, or do you have a website or your podcast? Does it have a website?

SPEAKER_02 31:57

As of now, I don't have a website for the podcast. You can follow me on the Lugo Official on YouTube. That that will you write to the videos I make and the podcasts I make. The same as for Instagram and TikTok. So the Lugo Official. So that's that's where you can find me. I'm working on trying to get a website and talking about it here, about the book. You just gave me an idea. I had to write it down. Good. I have to write a book, write it down for the book. I want to buy my notebook because I think I'm gonna forget it.

SPEAKER_01 32:30

I'm gonna forget it. Hey, hey, that's a hint tip and technique. Write things down or grab your smartphone, email, dictate yourself an email and email it to yourself when you got the idea. That way you can look back on it later. Because indeed, otherwise you may forget. So we've discussed health, we've discussed writing and publishing, we've just any one any last thing you'd like to talk about as we wrap up.

SPEAKER_02 33:06

No, I I think what I have to tell people is that don't focus on the bad things in life.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

You're selling my books. That's exactly my books. Yeah, focus on positives, try to do positive, stop focusing on the negative. You're selling my books for me. Thank you so much, Daniel. You're not giving a commission though.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

I have another analogy that I think people will were like, you know, in math, when you once you multiply a positive by a negative, it becomes a negative. Right? It's not the other way around. So you know what?

SPEAKER_01 33:54

I might steal that for my next book. Yeah, that's a good analogy. I like that. That's great. Yeah, that's a you better trademark that real quick, or I might steal it. Yeah, that's why I trademark the title of my show.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

Well, that's a good idea. I I might have to because I'm bearing out my ideas here.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

Well, yeah, ideas are not copyrightable. Uh, a term or phrase is potentially trademarkable, but that's why there are so many books about similar things, but phrased differently.

SPEAKER_02 34:41

I wrote my book from from the starting to to the end. It was a it is a process, it's not done, but you know, it's been a I'm grateful for it. It was like a kind of therapy. I didn't go to a therapist when I went through my my journey, but writing the book was an amazing experience. Yeah. And once like I was saying, positive and negative. Don't focus on the negative because it doesn't it doesn't work the way around. It's not like you multiply positive and negative and it becomes a positive. No, it becomes a negative.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

Now now you're helping some my how to write a book and get it published book. Like you said, a book is never finished, it's never done. You have to set a deadline of okay, it's gonna have to be published, it's gotta come out because you could take a hundred years writing and changing and updating and upgrading and fixing things that could be said said better. It's never done. There has to come a point where you've got to say, it's close enough.

Closing Thoughts And Subscribe Request

SPEAKER_02 35:53

Yes, I'm just trying to get it to the finish line. That's my way. I have an idea of the cover, like I said, the title, and you just in the conversation, you know, it came to me that like the subtitle of the book, and I was like, I have to write it. So good.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

So uh I will expect a mention in your book. I will expect accreditation and a turn attribution for that subtitle, then. So I'm kidding, of course. But uh anyway, again, thank you, Daniel. Uh, I gotta look again now. Lugo, so I pronounce it right, Daniel Lugo, L-U-G-O. And of course, in post-production, I'll put your name on the bottom of a uh text scroll so those viewing on video will see your name. Scroll by the bottom of the screen or the top or wherever I wind up putting it. And uh yeah, let me know when the book's out so I I can have you back.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

Of course, I will let you know once the book is done and released so that we can have a another podcast in. I'm glad to be here. Thank you for the opportunity. I would like to invite those that you know like what I have to say to follow me on social media. Uh like I said, the Lugo official.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

You can tag me as well on the video so that I can Yeah, watch out for that watch out for that D Lugo unofficial guy, right?

SPEAKER_02 37:30

You can tag me on the video so that we can collaborate and can share the podcast as well. So you know, I'm glad that I'm here. We have this opportunity for the people that are listening. The last message I have to say is be positive. Know that God is working for you, not against you. Yeah. So that's my last message that I would like to get across for the viewers. Right.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

And uh I uh I normally wait until after record to say I don't know when this will release. Full disclosure, we're recording in January of 2025. It might come out February, March, it could be April, so bear that in mind. We're recording in January. Uh, do you have a target release date? Again, you should never set anything in stone or sign a contract until the book is done. But do you have a release date that you're aiming for?

SPEAKER_02 38:31

I'm aiming for my graduation, which is May the 10th.

SPEAKER_01 38:36

Oh I didn't like that uh about uh not correlation or corresponding. I don't know what word I'm looking for. It's gonna be coincide! That's the word I'm looking for. Coincides with it.

SPEAKER_02 38:54

So I I want it to be because my birthday is on May 11th. So I graduated the day before. So I wanted to for all to be a big weekend.

SPEAKER_01 39:04

Yeah, oh, you do one on the 10th, one on the 11th, and the other on the 12th. Make it a trifecta.

SPEAKER_02 39:11

Or maybe one in the ninth.

SPEAKER_01 39:12

Yeah, ninth 10th, 11th, or 10th, 11th, 12th. Thank you again, Daniel. Have a great day. Take care. God bless.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

I'll bless you too.

SPEAKER_10 39:37

Wednesday, Wednesday, hot day.

SPEAKER_04 40:31

We got to do it.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

So tired. So tired. Pissed off. Upset. Upset. So tired. So tired. So tired. So tired. So tired.

SPEAKER_08 41:18

So tired. So fucking tired.

SPEAKER_09 41:26

Woke up so again. Like I never slept. Bottom night stands. Small thing.

SPEAKER_08 41:42

When the bottom feels like breaks down. No, we can then start. No, off switch to five. Just a long way.

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