CTP (S4EJunSpecial2) What If The Bible Can Be Tested Like Science

CTP (S4EJunSpecial2) What If The Bible Can Be Tested Like Science
Exploring more of the fascinating intersection of Activism, Community Engagement, Faith / Religion, Human Nature, Politics, Social Issues, and beyond - all in Biblical perspective
We chase a bold claim: a time-based Bible prophecy can be dated with astronomy and historical records to land on specific days centuries apart. John Zachary explains how an engineering mindset, NASA eclipse data, and ancient observations shape his case for “scientific apologetics” and why he thinks repeatable patterns matter more than opinion. 
• John’s background from Colorado to Israel and ministry training 
• a spiritual experience that kicks off decades of research 
• treating Scripture like a document with testable timelines 
• dating biblical events with NASA eclipse tables and ancient astronomy 
• Herod’s Temple in AD 70 and a 14,000-day control pattern claim 
• free will versus divine “nudges” in major historical turning points 
• intelligent design arguments and critiques of atheism and the multiverse 
• Gospel details as chronological clues, including coins and Passover timing 
• John’s book The Science Behind the Story of Jesus and where to find him 
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Welcome, Guest, And Audio Note

SPEAKER_08 0:00

Hello, welcome to another episode of Pristitutionalist Podcast. I am your host, Joseph M. Leiner. That's L-E-N-A-R-D at the French. It's not a slender without an O. Thank you for tuning in. As Brandon used to say on his show, let's get on with the show.

SPEAKER_07 0:27

Morning. This episode contains some audio and or video glitches.

SPEAKER_08 0:35

It was not your equipment. Joining me today is John Zachary. Welcome to the show, John.

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Well, thank you. Thanks for having me on and uh great to be here.

SPEAKER_08 0:48

Yeah, now before I get to now, my audience knows it's no secret. I use PodMatch to find some guests, and I found you via PodMatch and your bio saying we have traditionally overlooked because we separate science, history, and belief into different categories. I wholeheartedly agree that's been a major problem, and we'll get into that. But first, you know of John DeLorean, right? The DeLorean automobile. Yeah, I remember that. He his name was John Zachary DeLorean. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, Zachary was his middle name.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

I didn't know that. That's pretty interesting.

SPEAKER_08 1:32

Yeah. And I only know it because I owned two DeLoreans at one point.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Oh, you had two of them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:39

Well, I'm in the Detroit area, and of course, he was in the Detroit area too, and I actually ran across him one time. Uh, but but anyway, that's not what you're not here to discuss automotive history.

SPEAKER_06 1:53

No.

SPEAKER_08 1:55

So the usual first real question is where were you born and raised? Where are you now? What significant places

Colorado Roots And Life In Israel

SPEAKER_08 2:05

you may have been between, and that, you know, how much time do you can you share with our listeners how much time you spent in prison for what?

SPEAKER_01 2:15

Okay. Yeah, I was uh born and uh raised in Colorado on a farm, and uh, so we were always working as children. I'm a 60s child, probably like you. So when I got out of high school, I didn't go to college. I uh traveled, I actually hitchhiked and I traveled to Israel, lived in a kibbutz. I don't know, you know what a kibbutz is?

SPEAKER_08 2:45

I've heard the term, but no, offhand, I don't yeah, it's a like a commune.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

So when uh Jewish okay, okay, it's a commune, a farming commune, and uh so when Jewish people started returning to Israel, they first came like in groups and they would live on these farms, work together, they raised their children as a group. That was what was unique about them, and uh it's kind of like a communal thing.

SPEAKER_08 3:10

Hey, if it's done by choice, there's nothing wrong with that. It yeah, worldly communism is a problem when it's done by force at the barrel of a gun, but the biblical community is free will. People choosing voluntarily to do that is not a problem. Go on, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

I stayed in Israel about a half a year. I went and toured all the sites. Okay, I would go to Qumran and I would hike into the caves, actually.

SPEAKER_06 3:44

Ooh, cool.

SPEAKER_01 3:45

Well, then I would see the tourists come, they would get off the bus, take a 10-minute tour, and leave. And I was there a couple two, three hours taking pictures of them, and I was in a cave, and uh, so it was pretty interesting. Then I came back. I all right.

SPEAKER_08 4:00

Well, my audience knows I can't pass the joke, so I gotta tease you. Someone dare say you're living in a cave. You're living in the dark. It's a joke, it's a joke, people. It's a joke, it's just a joke.

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Okay, my my cave is lined with marble, though. Anyway, I came back and then I I studied to become a pastor. I was uh uh born and raised in a Christian home, and we went to church every night. Of you know, we were in there on Sunday morning, Sunday night, Wednesday, and I felt called to be a pastor by the age of 14. So I come back and I go to study to become a pastor. I'm not really a pastoral type person, though, and uh so what some a spiritual experience happened to me while I was preaching, though, that caught my attention and led to my research. And so I was uh preach this sermon on the second coming of Christ, and uh the ladies got up and sang a special song, two of them, and I'm sitting there on the front row, they sang one line into the song, and I heard rustling above my head, and I'm thinking, what's going on up there? Then I heard the word like real clear, anoint. And then suddenly a ball of power, like eight to ten inches in diameter, came down on my head, and it was like this, and it drifted like three inches a second and stopped here. Well, when that happened, I went like that with my right hand because you could feel it, and everybody saw it, and then I preached the sermon, had a great response, and ended up studying that sermon for like uh 14 years. Uh, this was 73 to 86, and then uh I ended up writing a book. So, since that time, so I've lived in uh Israel in Oklahoma City area where I went to college. I got two degrees there,

Pastoral Calling And A Strange Moment

SPEAKER_01 6:10

uh grew up in Colorado. I moved to Denver, worked, started working aerospace as a technical writer. Uh, they closed that down. I went to California because they were having trouble. Uh, I led this or supervised the technical writing group there, and then I went into reliability engineering. So I'm uh very advanced at doing calculations for uh, and that's what I use on my research uh of the Bible. Is it's like uh engineering analysis of the Bible as a as a scientific document, you might say. Believe that or not. And then uh we moved to Florida. Currently, we live in Florida uh because we retired. So there's a lot went on across 50 years to write this book, and it's not just the first book, it it keeps getting better. I wrote the first one and I only knew two things at that time. Now I know multitudes of them, and uh, we'll talk about that in a little bit, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 7:14

Yeah, couple things uh again. You you triggered in a good way, not an emotional, hysteric snowflake way. Uh another joke. Yeah, the uh a church near me had a sign out, said celebrating our pastor. Or no, we hurt our pastor. Okay, yeah. You know, and there was events. So I went in and said, Why is he leaving? And of course, they looked at me funny because they didn't understand I was setting up a joke, which is of if he was still if he was staying, he'd be a presentor, not a pastor, right? But a bum. You know, fun with language.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

There you go. That's good. You like to laugh? Well, uh, you're not me. I tell jokes all the time.

SPEAKER_08 8:13

That's good. And and I I joke with guests a lot about you know the tongue-in-cheek, how much time did you spend in prison for what? But the reality is is that relates to the subject matter we're talking because some don't even realize the original Holy Roman Catholic Church to this day still runs spatial telescopes for space exploration and has commissioned science over the years to, as you're talking, not to prove the Bible. That they are they go hand in hand, one and the same. The God that created physics, physics don't disprove the God that created those laws, but they've gotten it wrong over time. And people like Copernicus and others literally for pushing the accepted norm of in nowhere in the Bible does it really suggest everything revolves around the earth, but that was the prevailing thought. And thankfully, a lot of them, like uh also uh Leonardo da Vinci and other brilliant minds stuck to their guns in the church, re-examined the text, and realized it's not Jesus or God that gets it wrong, it's us humans that screw up in the reading of the text at times, yes?

SPEAKER_01 9:52

Yes, I would agree with everything you said. There's a lot of misinterpretation and uh invalid assumptions that are running the planet, and they teach them in the universities, and they should be challenged. That's what I do.

SPEAKER_08 10:11

Yep, so yeah, and also I have a friend, Pastor Richard Clark Dietering, who's also does archaeological work. So I I wish I could introduce the two of you because it sounds like the two of you do similar things. Again, demonstrating, and over and over, science more and more today is discovering the things in the Bible as historical relevance, not allegorical story, yes?

SPEAKER_01 10:47

I agree 100% because uh what I do is basically there's a problem that nobody can answer. That

Engineering Thinking Applied To Scripture

SPEAKER_01 10:55

problem is this. Can you tell me, anybody tell me what will happen on July 11th in the year 2691, more than 600 years in the future? Can you do that?

SPEAKER_08 11:10

It not even Nostradamus.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Nobody can do it, but uh so the whole thing, uh, after that spiritual experience I described earlier. Uh I had I got into this by curiosity. This is the question. Uh, there's one time-based prophecy in the entire Bible, it foretells of specific future events that have to happen on a time-based uh system.

SPEAKER_08 11:42

So I'm like Nostradamus, it is vague in ways so that it isn't necessarily like if we could and there have been plenty of people who try to predict the exact date of Jesus' return or the exact date the world's coming to an end, and of course they're always wrong.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yep, yeah. So, anyway, so my curiosity question was this if you scientifically date when those two events happened, what will we learn? Well, we learn that the Bible actually foretells the future centuries ahead of time to the very day, and that's what we discover. So it's a mind-blowing thing, and actually, I call this scientific apologetics. I call it that because you have regular apologetics, but they can't prove anything. You still have to have faith, but when you do scientific apologetics, using I actually use and analyze NASA scientific data, astronomy, lunar eclipses, solar eclipses, things like that are in the book to scientifically date when those events occurred, and when you get that done and you've done 50 years of research. Well, like in 1991, the first book, I only knew of two of these events. Now I know many of them. The more you get, and you see repeatability and consistent repeatability, it doesn't just happen once, it's happening over and over and over. Hence the phrase, history repeats.

SPEAKER_08 13:27

Not really, well, in some cases it does, but I I prefer the alternate phrase, history may not repeat, but it sure does rhyme an awful lot.

SPEAKER_01 13:38

Yeah. Well, the Christian worldview is that history is linear, it's in a straight line, and it's and when you read the book, it's more like the Mayan cyclical round repeats, yes.

SPEAKER_08 13:54

It's it's being repeated because of divine intervention in human events, he's controlling people at a high level, some of them, not all of them, but just a few people that's all because we are given free will, and you have to give yourself up to God to want to be allowed to be used, you have to turn over your free will, and God then uses people he needs at times, yes, but otherwise, most of the eight billion people on the planet all have their own free will and their desire

Scientific Apologetics And Time Prophecy

SPEAKER_08 14:30

to do whatever the hell they want, and unfortunately, some use that for evil. Go on, sorry.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Well, a good good example of what you just said free will. Well, but you wanted to do it, but it was uh an act of God. Because one of the foretold events is the destruction of Herod's temple in AD 70. Okay, it happened on an exact date, and the two people that set it on fire, two Roman soldiers, one of them grabbed uh a firebrand, the other one lifting him up to the window and he threw it in, and that was it. And when that that temple burned down, that was the will of the creator, because it actually validates, uh, you can say it supports or tends to. If you read the reviews on Amazon, a lot of those people are reading it and they're saying science actually validates the resurrection of Jesus.

SPEAKER_08 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Well, that's the story that you go ahead.

SPEAKER_08 15:34

Yeah, that's the story that immediately came to my mind when you're talking proofs and validations of future prophecy. Uh that's why to me I speak out about anti-Semitism a lot. People who want to blame Jews for Christ's death. If you're it was God's will, God ordained it, God prophesied it. It had to happen for Jesus to prove he was the Christ and die to be resurrected. So to blame Pilate or the few Jews or those calling for Barabbas, any of them, is to blame God because they were playing a part in the prophecy that God ordained. So to blame any class of people today for something 2,000 years ago is just plain, just stupid. And the other thing it's just it's devoid of understanding God's will and biblical prophecy. And the other thing you said is what came before the term used that you're kind of referring here differently would be Bible code. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 16:59

I've heard of the Bible code. Are you talking about uh equidistant letter spacing?

SPEAKER_08 17:05

I well, not necessarily that, but indeed, scientific uh uh uh things in the Bible that indeed, if you break them down, are messages for the now when we would better understand them. You're breaking down codes that wouldn't have been understood 2,000 years ago, and we'll understand even more 2,000 years from now.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Yeah, I would agree. So uh like you talked about, we were talking about the two soldiers. See, they were ticked off. Uh-oh, you froze. And and okay, they were because our chance to end it. It's on stable. Hold on.

SPEAKER_08 17:58

Yeah, I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_01 18:06

Trying to get another computer. This might be a problem. I'm gonna was so busy I didn't have time to do this holding. You're not gonna do it now anyway, right? Ah, you broke up there. Yeah, I'm here. Okay, hold on. Let me do a little bit more. And then we'll go on.

SPEAKER_08 18:36

Well you seem stable now! So let's go with what you've got now. Seems to be working. What are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 18:43

I'm doing the save this thing. Uh let me go here. Okay, I got rid of that one. Okay, so I'm stable again?

SPEAKER_08 19:01

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:03

So anyway, but well though the two soldiers, the two soldiers that burned down Herod's temple or set it on fire, they were ticked off. So it was their free will to burn it down.

SPEAKER_08 19:17

But there was a there was a nudge.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

A nudge. They did it on the precise day that was foretold centuries earlier. So in

Herod’s Temple And The Exact Date

SPEAKER_01 19:30

other words, this text, time-based predictive text, foretold of these future events that had to happen on an exact date. Okay, to do that, the only way to foretell the future, because none of us can do it, there's a being that transcends the universe, space-time. Space and time have no control over the creator, and he's intervening in human events all across history. So the destruction of Herod's temple is one of those events, and uh what it does is because in Herod's temple they practiced the Old Testament sacrificial system, it was destroyed in this time-based matrix from the 70 weeks prophecy on the 14,000th day. Okay, well, the prophecy itself uses the numbers 7 and 70, but it's hiding 14,000 days when you do this deep analysis and scientifically date it. And the other thing, well, like the scientific date for Herod's Temple, because we're using NASA scientific data, uh, the confidence level, you can calculate it. The probability of us being misled by this data is one chance and ten to the power of 66.

SPEAKER_08 20:57

Okay, getting hit by lightning twice on the same sunny day.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

Yeah, something like that, yeah. Because uh the probability of being misled would be like one chance in a thousand billion. You're gonna say a billion seven times. It's not a coincidence. Okay, now the other one was the decree to rebuild Jerusalem. It took me 20 years to figure out how to get the actual scientific date and prove it. And the the confidence level was 10 to the power of 52. Very high. Now, if either of these days were off by even one day, you wouldn't find these 14,000 day sequences because they actually start with Moses, hidden in the earliest texts of the Bible until now, and then it begins again with Solomon's temple, Herod's temple. There's the same alignment with Ezekiel's temple. These are all control features saying God is intervening. Meaning in human events to reveal what is true of the spiritual realm. It also reveals what's not true. People don't like that, though.

SPEAKER_08 22:10

Some people don't well, what comes to my mind, I went to interject before, is God explains the Big Bang. The Big Bang coming from nothingness. The atheist thought that's a belief pattern, too, that something can come from nothing. Is it me? Now the question, well, where did God come from? Well, that's above all our pay grades. But God can explain the Big Bang. The Big Bang doesn't explain or he right, you know, explain away God. But anyway, I just wanted to get that thrown in there as a thought.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Well, I agree. Whether you believed in uh you know the creationists and the earth's only six or ten thousand years old, or you believe in the Big Bang, and it's got scientific evidence to support it. Either way, you've got a creator.

SPEAKER_08 23:09

Yeah. Intelligent design.

SPEAKER_01 23:11

Yeah. Yeah. As well.

SPEAKER_08 23:15

There's a guy in the Bueller movie, right? Bueller, Bueller, Bueller. Uh, I can't think of his name. He did Expelled No Intelligence Allowed, uh Ben Ben the Money Guy. Ben Steinman or something like that Ben, yeah, Ben Stein or so, yeah. He did Expelled No Intelligence Allowed documentary about creationism being removed from schools, and and indeed all the proofs of intelligent design. You know, the eyeball alone, for that complexity to just randomly have come together, again, you're talking statistical odds. It's like getting hit by lightning ten times on the same sunny day. It's just not believable. I I it it requires more of a belief in random fantasy than it does an intelligent designer.

SPEAKER_01 24:18

Yeah. And uh chapter 15 about atheism. That's one of the features, uh questions I bring up. I'm not talking about uh uh intelligent design or things, but I'm asking since basically atheism is based on pseudoscience. You claim you have science, but you don't, and you'll even acknowledge that the multiverse is not provable. Show me one other universe. Can you do that? Nobody has seen one, but yet they claim it's gotta be true, and they'll say, Well, it takes faith to believe in the Bible, and if it takes faith for this, we're gonna choose this. Yes, but here now you have the scientific dating with these control features that actually cross 3,500 years and are repeating consistently

NASA Eclipses And Babylonian Records

SPEAKER_01 25:20

and the same control period. Yes, it says this is a feature that reveals God is intervening in human events, and some people claim, well, there's no evidence. Read the book and it's all over your face.

SPEAKER_08 25:39

Now, a couple things. I always say exclusion does not pre mean preclusion, or preclusion does not mean exclusion, however, you wish to say it's like reincarnation, just because it isn't in the Bible doesn't mean it's precluded. There can be multiple physical human presence for but one eternal soul. It also doesn't preclude aliens on other planets, like in the Spielberg upcoming movie I love the scene that's in the trailer, the Catholic nuns saying, Why would God make all that space and leave it empty? So God can explain aliens, not the it doesn't preclude it. And what about the Nephilim and blah blah blah blah blah, right? Well, you know, but so yeah, I you know, so the multiverse again, exclusion does not mean preclusion. A multiverse could indeed be real, but God can explain that. God may have created that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Well, he may have, I doubt it though, because nobody's ever seen one.

SPEAKER_08 26:53

Yeah, well, there's a movie I love. Uh Canoe Reeves was in the movie Constantine. Did you see that? Whereas Hell is kind of another dimensional plane of the current existence. I highly recommend that movie. I love it, Canoe Reeves Constantine. Yeah, it's it's it uh well anyway, it's interesting. I don't, you know, some people, oh my god, sacrilege and blasphemy. It's like, oh, please relax, people. Just please relax. But we haven't given the book title yet. What is the title of the book?

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Oh, my book. It's called uh The Science Behind the Story of Jesus by John Zachary. So you can look it up on Amazon and read the reviews. It's got nothing but five-star reviews.

SPEAKER_08 27:50

And uh one third of Well, that that kind of amazes me because I always say about reviews it's hard to get someone who likes your work. They may love your book, they'll tell all their friends, but they won't take two seconds to leave a review about it a lot of times. And the haters, the ones who want to attack you personally, will go out of their work, even buy the book just to be able to leave a nasty negative review that isn't true because they didn't read the book. They just bought it in an e-book just so they could flame you. So that that's kind of surprising because I do have a friend Bruce Fleury who wrote uh The Negro Project about Margaret Sanger, and of course, and the same with my terror strikes coming soon to a city near you book. There are the haters who want to pile on and attack it because they can't refute the facts and the reality within. So they, Olinsky style, have to attack the author instead.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Well, it's hard to attack it when you use real scientific data, okay, and you can calculate confidence levels. I have a graph in the book showing the 10 to the power of 66, and the R squared values, I think, are five nines. Uh that means it explains 99.999% of the data, but your confidence is through the roof. Normally use 95 confidence for engineering stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 29:35

Now, yeah, no such thing as 100%, right? No such thing as perfect.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

It's that small, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 29:47

But we have to remember, too. We were told no one shall know the time regarding later in Armageddon and the Christ's return. So there will be purposeful deceptions, and of course, the great deceiver is always looking to deceive. So we do have to bear those things in mind that we are human, frail, flawed, and imperfect, and we can be wrong on something or another, but because we might discover something wrong in own up and admit to it doesn't mean everything else is wrong. Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:29

Well, that's true. The uh the I think you know, the reason people haven't given me a bad review, but if you look in it, it's all based on logic and real scientific data. So I'm using ancient Babylon, that's what the haters hate the most, though.

SPEAKER_08 30:48

The emotional snowflakes hate logic and reason and facts.

SPEAKER_01 30:53

How are you gonna attack something if you calculate? You got a confidence level so high, it's through the roof. Here's real NASA scientific data, here's the references. I also referenced Babylonian astronomy data, and they so that if you're an astronomer in ancient history, you would observe a lunar or solar eclipse, you would say it happened in the year of this cane, and this year, this month, this day. Okay, now that's all been lined out now, but they didn't know, they might say, Well, there was a full total eclipse, it started at midnight or two in the morning or something like that, but they don't know the minute of it. So you go over to NASA and you get their scientific data, and you get the precise date of that event down to the minute, even. Well, the people who have analyzed the astronomy say, even though it's thousands of years

Intelligent Design And Atheism Critique

SPEAKER_01 31:50

ago, it's within one hour of event. That's your error rate. Okay, well, that's I'm just in the day, so that's that's close enough. Yeah, uh, you see enough for government work.

SPEAKER_08 32:04

Exactly, exactly. You triggered another joke. You mentioned loop, you mentioned lunar. So, in other words, you're omitting your loony. But um, it's a joke, it's a joke, people. Can we please lighten up?

SPEAKER_01 32:25

That's funny. You made me lose my train of thought.

SPEAKER_08 32:29

Well, anyway, the time has flown.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Well, I was gonna say this. Oh, okay. In addition, okay, I'm relying on people who observe these events. They were there, but their opinion, because they're writing the their opinion, has to be backed up by the positions of the sun, the moon, and the earth. Once you have that backing up what they write, you know it's credible. So how are you gonna argue against something like that? And and uh that's just the way it is.

SPEAKER_08 33:10

Well, the only valid argument is again that we're all human, flawed, and frail, and there's no such thing as perfect, and we can be it's like carbon dating. Yeah, we assume we know, we think we know the atmospheric conditions through all this time to be able to properly carbon date something, yeah. And we may say the probability is indeed high, but we cannot know for certain until we meet God and find out it indeed is true or not.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

But I think you're talking about ancient, ancient, ancient, ancient history when you said those comments, because you're talking about you know, millions of years ago, right? Okay, well, I'm talking about okay, uh carbon. They say they did radio carbon dating on the oldest known copy of Daniel. It was released on June the 4th in 2025, and it is in the range at a 95% confidence level of 230 BC to 160. So, and it yet it portells of Herod's temple's destruction in AD 70 more than two centuries into the future, which when you do the analysis is on an exact, precise planned date, foretold centuries earlier, and and the other thing was this if you if those scientific dates were off for even one day, you wouldn't get this control feature. Okay, this is how exact it is. So think of Solomon's temple. Jeremiah, the prophet, observed it, and he wrote in chapter 52, verses 12 to about 14, right in there, it was on the tenth day of the fifth month. When Josephus observed uh the destruction of Herod's temple, he refers to the Babylonian destruction and he says it was on the same date for the Herod's temple. That's a control feature. Well, if you go back to Ezekiel's temple, which is just a vision he received, okay, all those Herod's and and uh Solomon's temple were destroyed on the tenth day of the fifth month, and that's the 14,000th day for both of them. Okay, you go back to Ezekiel's vision, the 14,000th day is the same date as those other two temples. That's control. Nobody even knows that. I actually didn't write it in the book because I'm still learning, but it's a good point.

SPEAKER_08 35:54

Hey, we all are always learning, but and I I'm gonna tack on a couple of songs that I've written. One is uh God is among us, and one God is in everything. He still speaks to us, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:09

And that was a song from the 90s, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_08 36:12

No, it's something I just wrote, but maybe maybe in the back of my mind there is some subconscious uh uh uh influence from something years ago. I don't know, but yeah, no, my two originals, I just wrote them this week. Uh they'll be old by the time this airs. But anyway, uh the point in being what you're saying, the time-based predictive text and Bible code, whatever we want to call it, we're on the same page and saying God is speaking to us through the Bible still, in that again, no one would have been smart enough two thousand years ago to grasp this, and we're no near near as smart as we'll be 2,000 years from now.

SPEAKER_01 37:03

Yeah, a lot of it was just strictly observation. Okay, so the gospel of Luke and the Gospel of John have details that are missing in the other two, and Luke's gospel, he tells you when Jesus, the year that Jesus was baptized in Luke 3:1, the 15th year of Tiberius, and all the coins in the Roman Empire that have been discovered

Multiverse, Aliens, And Bible Boundaries

SPEAKER_01 37:30

agree with this one year precisely. Nobody can argue against it, and it's more relevant and credible data because you're not seeing or listening to what a person is writing who could modify it to fit his opinion. Okay, but the scientific dates on these coins validate Luke chapter 3 to the to that one year period. Then in the Gospel of John, we find when you re if you read the book that the second Passover was on a Saturday, and the only year that fits that is AD 30. That was the second year. He was just observing it, it aligns with all the data. But all the theologians have missed it, they never comment.

SPEAKER_08 38:26

Uh um well, time has flown. One, I've not said your name enough. Normally I like to repeat the guest name several times so it sinks in the listeners or viewer if you're viewing on behind the scenes video, uh, or for the 40-ish audio only platforms. I've been speaking with John Zachary, not John Zachary DeLorean, he's passed. John Zachary, the author of the title of the book again is The Science Behind the Story of Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 39:03

Amen. It only gets five stars. You can go read them. People are fascinated by the scientific dating because it makes sense. Nobody's refuted it yet. In fact, I said, if you don't like it, buy a copy, redline it, and send it to me so I can change to the correct worldview.

SPEAKER_08 39:26

Yeah, yeah. I I get that a piece I wrote on before it's news.com harkens back to what I was saying about the reviews. If they can't refute your facts, they will want to Alinski you personally, personally attack you. I say that all the time about my online writings and my nonfiction books. If there's something in here you can refute, use your words, bring your proof, not your feelings. And everyone's entitled to an opinion. But it matters if your opinion is reality based or unicorn fart fantasy delusion based.

SPEAKER_06 40:14

That's what I'm saying. Right?

SPEAKER_08 40:16

So yeah, I'm not perfect. If I get something wrong, refute me with logic, reason, and proof. If I'm wrong, I'll admit I'm wrong because I'm not filled with the sin of hubris. I can be wrong. Prove me wrong, right? And I I go into that in a couple of my constitutionalist politics books as companion to this. It's not the sin of pride, it's hubris, it's pridefulness. I should be proud of little Sally getting all A's. I should be proud of little Johnny hitting the walk-off home run at Little League. I should be proud of a day's job well done. It's hubris. That's the sin. To go into the boss and demand all these other people are worthless. They couldn't have done what I did. Fire them and give me their salary. There is a big difference there. Yes?

SPEAKER_01 41:21

True.

SPEAKER_08 41:22

Anyway, you to wrap it up, John Zachary.

SPEAKER_01 41:27

Yeah, the book title One More Time is The Science Behind the Story of Jesus. Hold on just a minute.

SPEAKER_08 41:37

Oh, yeah. For those on behind the scenes

Luke’s Dating, John’s Passover Clue

SPEAKER_08 41:40

video, there it is. If you're viewing on the five behind the scenes video channels, you can see the cover. If you're on audio, you're just SOL. Yeah. That's why we say, that's why we vocalize it. And for the benefit of the transcript, also, we have to spell things out. Some people may read this episode in a transcript.

SPEAKER_01 42:06

Now, well, if you read this book, your faith will go through the roof.

SPEAKER_08 42:12

Yeah, but then I'll have a hole in the roof. Well, that's fine. The read will get in. Anyway, enough jokes. Enough jokes now. Uh, do you have a website for people to find you?

SPEAKER_01 42:25

Oh, yeah, yeah. You can go to authorjohnzacri.com.

SPEAKER_08 42:31

Authorjohn Zachary Z-A-C-H A-R-Y. Yes?

SPEAKER_01 42:38

Correct. Yeah. Author A-U-T-H-O-R.

SPEAKER_07 42:42

All right.

SPEAKER_01 42:42

Well, Zachary could be science, religion, interface, research, 50 years of study, and it's difficult to refute. I'm still waiting on one.

SPEAKER_08 42:58

And since you can interpret and spell John different ways, there's one way to spell author, unless if you're talking foreign. So author, John with an H, J O H N, Zachary A's, no E in there, Z-A-C-H-A-R-Y dot com. So now we've done it for the benefit of the transcript. No one can screw it up. It'll be right there in black and white for them. Thank you, John Zachary. It was a great conversation.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

I I love talking with you and joking with you. That was great.

SPEAKER_08 43:36

Take care. God bless. Have a good one. Hold up, hold up, hold up. I just wanted to pile on with some additional thoughts. I made a note time multiverse. Now, hopefully I'll remember to get the thallout. But for our conversation and the history may not repeat. but it sure does rhyme a lot. And while we as humans kind of, I'm gonna hold up, right, my planner here, my calendar, we tend to experience and record time in a linear fashion. But as he stated, and I said, it's more like the Mayan calendar. Circular flows, rolls back around. A perfect example of this, I thought of, wanted to give, is the weather. Now winter may not be exactly the same as the last winter and the winter before it, but we all know the season's cycle and roll back around again.

Book, Website, And Invitation To Refute

SPEAKER_08 45:00

A perfect example of the concept of the Mayan circular rotating calendar rather than linear. Summers aren't exactly repetitive in history repeating the same as it was, but it rhymes we know in our individual regions what we expect generally

Time Cycles, Films, And Faith Questions

SPEAKER_08 45:30

of the seasons and they there's give and take and some change sometimes they're better sometimes they're worse might be rainier might be drier from one and those even usually are a broader cycle anyway all right so time moving on multiverse exclusion does not mean preclusion or preclusion does not mean exclusion just because the Bible doesn't say there's a thing called the multiverse there are dimensions and there might even be interdimensional travel oh that's not blasphemy that's not heretical God doesn't owe you all the answers on your time to your desires it's on God's time and in God's plan. So because it doesn't say it doesn't mean it can't be there and we just don't understand it. It's above our pay grade and I go back to the Constantine movie with Cano Reeves. I think is it I love that film. But again there will be oh blasphemy it's heretical again over yourself just because someone posits a creative concept that maybe hell is another dimensional plane of the reality in the same space we exist doesn't make it blasphemous heretical we don't know God does and again God doesn't owe you all the answers if you think he does then go back to the conversation on hubris get over yourself so the Constantine movie great wonderful interesting interpretation of possibilities not not saying plausibility but possibility and hey this makes a great movie it asks important questions about seen and unseen forces it's a great movie I highly recommend it and since I'm talking christian movies Risen based on the resurrection through the eyes of a Roman soldier brilliant Christian movie brilliant another one one of my favorites Mom's night out more recently the best Christmas pageant ever and my favorite all time Christian movie The Resurrection of Gavin Stoney about resurrection of a human except Christ it's a figurative spiritual resurrection not a physical one over yourself it's a comedy so it isn't taking the Bible and beating someone over the head with it if you're only preaching to the choir you're not saving additional souls and these other movies I mentioned raise questions and may bring people to the faith with questions what does the Bible say what doesn't the Bible say and look into it more so they're not a bad thing they're a good it's like the Dan Brown movies Catholic nuns are out there protesting fact fiction blend my tears strikes book is a historical fiction fact fiction blend brown brought a lot of people to christ how why protesting it isn't it didn't help bring anyone the movies people went in and saw okay it came out what is real here what is fiction here what are the realities versus it again the fictional story parts to make a good story go home and crack open the Bible and look for yourself so Dan Brown didn't destroy people's faith he helped bring people in to the faith I'm all right I'm gonna leave it there thank you all take care God bless love you all and you either get it or you don't but again Matthew 23 Christians they just want to focus on one little piece of the Bible and ignore the rest of it and ignore the fact it is fact it is reality it is delusional to not acknowledge that the Bible doesn't say everything about every topic the dimensional thing just because it doesn't say it doesn't mean therefore it can't be true you are not owed every answer take care bless love you all okay hold up again I lie of course I didn't lie into figure speech you know what I mean and this is part of the point people getting hung up on stupid stuff on words that's meant in a figurative not literal way I I said I lied right now no that wasn't it no I'm not done uh justing the screen if you're seeing behind the scenes apologies and you can see in the background now the epic movie theater of MJR theaters over here because I want to mention one more movie one more movie the movie Heretic again heads are gonna explode because I am gonna say that it's a great movie it's a fantastic movie I forget who's in it I can picture them in my head but uh good actor but he he played the got people upset because he played the umpa loompa in the in in the Wonka remake uh but whatever heritage I love the movie because I am not weak of faith I have no problem understanding other people have questions and they can raise them and I don't immediately get defensive and take offense to them raising questions as I speak to on my before snews.com piece did Jesus ever contradict himself no humans screw things up and get them wrong like the everything revolves around the earth thing humans screw that up not God not Jesus if people have questions it's not a problem to me question because I'm strong in my faith it doesn't hurt my faith to have somebody raise questions because all will be all will be revealed in the end in God's time on God's plan not ours doesn't obey them any of us all the answers to our desired questions eventually all will be revealed not in this plane of existence but in the hereafter on God's time so heretic raising questions and challenging faith is not upsetting to me it's not blasphemy even though the movie is titled Heretic it isn't it it raises issues of heresy as some would call it it's not heretical in it in the sense of it being a movie and asking questions again if it makes people leave the theater and pick up their Bible what is in here what is not in here what is still an open question and again God doesn't owe you every answer period get over yourself hubris he doesn't owe you every answer so the movie heretic great wonderful movie I give it an A plus it's a great movie if you're strong in your faith it's only a problem to someone who's weak in their faith and thinks ahead of time oh they have all the answers nobody like God has all the answers questions can be asked I may not have the answers that's not a problem I'm human I'm not expected to have all the answers anyway I'm really done this time I promise I'm not gonna hit record again to add another segment thank you all take care bless love you all but it it was important to me when the heretic movie popped in my head to have to address that in the dust of my mess you still call my name handshake hard unsteady you don't look away you stand in the middle of it all closer than my fear I was lost in the crowd you drew me near everyone falls down when you step into the room every life goes quiet when I hear you I told me I need you I know you are right the best room five years they don't for you carry on a ha we'll do it everyone up down everyone go quiet I leave you I know who you are I do I'm right here with no scar hands you don't run from our wind you rebuilt the land here in the air here in the place I let my boy right here don't tune out just yet now you've often seen shows doing ads I've had some mid show ads that have run or at the end often at the end it would be an ad for my own book so does that really count but you know podcast sponsorships you've seen them bunch of podcast people hawking products they probably have nothing to do with well that's not the case with me I've got a couple partnership sponsorship irons in the fire these aren't paid that I'm giving you here I am just giving you recommendations of a couple irons I have in the fire a free shout out to for one Duncan I'm gonna hold up my how to write a book and get it published because I don't have a physical copy of my latest book Roll the Coasters the lifetime because it is out on Amazon eKindle exclusive for only a dollar ninety nine because it's a short story so I can keep your price down or audiobook $4.99 inexpensive so there it is Kindle ebook cover in it I mention America Runs on Duncan the slogan they're a place I actually go to I love the chocolate cream filled donuts and a bit of a critique uh you need to start making more of them or make sure all the places actually have them most the Duncans around me don't have them I often have to settle for the vanilla cream filled but you know that's okay too at times. So I recommend Dunkin'uts. I do I really do there's something I look I mean look at this if you're looking behind the scenes video you can see I'm not starving I've got some extra weight on me. Dunkin' donuts calories might be part of the reasons why everything in moderation just don't pig out on donuts all the time morning noon and night I don't know if Duncan's gonna like me saying that or not they want to sell as many donuts as possible and of course they sell coffee but hey that's the point you're gonna get real sponsorship reads from me not fake phony frogs that don't even use a product oh let me read the following and the next one I'm

Sponsor Mentions And Creative Tools

SPEAKER_08 1:04:30

gonna mention is Galaxy AI which actually is now Magica M-A-G-I-C-A-I and I use them I've created a couple music videos of late if you check on the video channels they're not on all of them YouTube and BitChute my channels there have most my music videos or most my Suno songs not all you can check out the one I just did for Memorial Day 2026 for America 250 I wrote Memorial Day America 250 that I released on Memorial Day and you can see that music video on my uh video platforms created by Magical AI as well as another music video that I did for my tears based on my terror strikes coming soon city near you book I wrote a wake not paranoid song and there is a music video for that at BitChute and YouTube. It may be at my other platforms I don't remember offhand I didn't look it up before hitting record my apologies. You can reach out to the AI via Tiny World. I love to use Tiny World Services TinyWorld.com Slash Galaxy Magica AI. TinyWorld.com slash Galaxy Magica AI. And the last one I'm gonna mention is bullying board. You can write boards for your advertising. Those are expensive boards.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:45

In every way. In the growing trees, in every bird that chirps. Do drives glistening, whispering in every breeze. Those are his words. Your question is Are you listening?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

Does God still speak today? I hear it in the trees, in every bird that chirps, in the things you let me see. Dew drops glistening on the leaves at dawn. Those are his works to me all day long.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:50

When I look in the sun, you are never fire. Every little living thing says who you are. Can every breathe? Can every eye? He is in everything.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:29

He is in everything in the growing trees. In the line of the sky, in the tiny sparrow cutting through the light. What I thought with small turns and speak so loud. You are here around me now. You are here right now And I don't listen.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:52

You are never found Every little everything That's who you are breathing as a lever thing He is ever Teach my soul to see The Holy In the Snap The wonder in the leaf I ask you You wrestle with the birds in the back of your head In the hole every way Whoever breathed Who never He is in everything He is in everything He is in everything He is in everything Sometimes It may be in metaphors As riddles In rhyme He is speaking Are we still listening in these fallen times Welcome to Christitutionalist Politics 4, the latest chapter in the CTP journey.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:11

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SPEAKER_07 1:13:03

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SPEAKER_08 1:13:12

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