CTP (S4E165) Chronic Illness And Creative Grit

CTP (S4E165) Chronic Illness And Creative Grit
We talk with nurse practitioner Jessica “Nurse Jesse” about living with chronic illness while still building a creative life from home. We get practical about pacing, mental health, AI in healthcare, and how to ask for the help you actually need. 
• living with chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, IBS-D and unpredictable bad days 
• pacing work around usable hours and protecting recovery time 
• using simple tools like hot soaking to calm pain and stress 
• building podcasts and books without overspending early 
• outlining stories, saving drafts and promoting after publishing 
• using AI for notes and ideas while avoiding self-diagnosis traps 
• understanding OCD and ADHD as a spectrum, not a stereotype 
• separating addiction from physical dependency and using meds carefully 
• “mirror moment” self-reflection and dropping pride to seek help 
• supporting loved ones by listening and embracing awkward conversations 
• improving the patient-doctor relationship by writing questions down and speaking up 
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SPEAKER_06 0:08

Hello, welcome to another episode of First Two Shorts Podcast. I am your host,

Welcome And A Different Format

SPEAKER_06 0:16

Joseph M. Water, that's L N A L Down without the show. Thank you for tuning in as granddo. Let's get on with the show! Welcome to season four, episode 165, August the 15th, 2026. I know you've heard me say this before. This is gonna be an odd episode. Well yes, this is not even actually gonna be one of my episodes. I am now airing with permission the episode. I was on with podcaster Nurse Jesse. So we had a great discussion. Got permission. Going to air that discussion here. Here it is.

SPEAKER_03 1:19

Hello, everybody. My name is Jessica, and I'm the nurse practitioner, and I run a podcast called The Feast Frequently Asked Question by Nurse Jesse.

Meeting Nurse Jesse And Joseph

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Otherwise, those at uh nurse practitioner Jessica. And I'm here today with uh Mr. Joseph M. Leonard. So how are you today?

SPEAKER_06 1:37

Uh, like I always say, could be better, could be worse. And hey, started off well, you got the name right. It looks French, it's not Lennard, it's Leonard without an O. Joseph M. Leonard, because there is a Joseph Leonard out of South Carolina, who I'm here in Michigan, who is also a Christian author. So I need to make to make that distinction. Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

How do you try it out?

SPEAKER_06 2:08

Well, I get emails about his books, and I have no wrong, wrong Joseph. He's Lennard, I'm Leonard. That's why I use my middle initial in there. I have no idea what his middle initial is. I've tried tried reaching out to him through third parties and email and and and even phone calls. Doesn't ever get back to me. So oh wow. I think it'd be interesting to have a discussion with him. See if he ever gets any questions about my books. Yes, exactly. Yeah, that'd be interesting.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Uh yeah. Um, so you've been living with chronic illnesses, health issues in 2001.

SPEAKER_06 2:54

Can you tell me about that? Yeah, well, it's

A Long List Of Chronic Illness

SPEAKER_06 2:58

a long list. Chronic fatigue, immune dysfunction is the main one. CFIDs. Uh so yeah, immune issues, IBSD, fibromyalgia. I've had Bell's palsy, I've had cancer in 2010. So uh I mean it's that's the short list.

SPEAKER_03 3:22

Oh wow. Yeah. Um, but um I guess it well, you're still here and you're still rocking and rolling.

SPEAKER_06 3:31

I'm still kicking. I like to joke. I'll hold up my green screen here. See, I don't know if you could see the couch. I'm not a whore, but I am a slob. So I use the green screen to hide stuff. I'm here in my living room, my couch underneath the green screen. It's like, what can I do with my health issues from my home? Well, I can write books, I could do podcasts.

Creating From Home With Limits

SPEAKER_06 4:01

So I I I'm also now a songwriter again. I used to write and record music. My dad was Ted Lunar Jr., founder of Ted Lunar Jr. and the Polka Kings. They had a three, they had a three record deal. I never got a record. I didn't play polka music, but and I never I played, you know, a little bit of country, a little bit of folk, a little bit of rock, and a variety of stuff, but I never got a record deal. So my equipment's long gone now, but now with Suno AI, yeah, so tinyur.com slash J L D on Suno, you can find my stuff so I can write again now. And of course, having actually been a musician, a singer, or songwriter in the old days, the old way, with the you know, blank sheet of uh blank piece of sheet music and actually having to write it all up. Oh, excuse me, write it all out. I just I just came from dinner and it's coming back to haunt me. That ham I had for dinner. My apologies. Uh, but yeah, so now you know I know all that structure. So even one of the songs I did recently, a cappella. I mean, I I'm probably the only person on Suno that has an a cappella song because I know my a cappella from my hole in the ground, so to speak. You know my a cappella from my a you know what, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:44

And you do all of this at home, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 5:47

I do it all from home. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 5:49

Yeah, oh that's so great. Um, you know, you you just do everything.

SPEAKER_06 5:54

Like you write your book, you do your podcast, you write a lot of the music, all that stuff that I can do on my time as my health allows. Right, right. So on good good days I'm able to do things. On my bad days, I just don't do anything.

SPEAKER_03 6:11

You just don't okay. Can you tell us more about those good days

Good Days, Bad Days, Simple Coping

SPEAKER_03 6:14

and bad days?

SPEAKER_06 6:15

Well, a good day is just one of those things will hit, you know, the fatigue or the fibro or you know, stress or the IBSD. A bad day is when they all hit at once, right? Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. So like Mike Tyson pounded on my face.

unknown 6:35

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:37

And what do you do in those bad days? Like you just um recover, like that's just lie around.

SPEAKER_06 6:43

A lot of lying around. I mean, not much else you can do.

SPEAKER_03 6:47

Yeah, that's just that's like one of the things I keep hearing a lot with my patient when I see them, it's you know, it's managing those bad days, and it gets hard. Like, how do you balance those bad days and good days? Yeah, and there's no like sometimes I'm at a loss too.

SPEAKER_06 7:02

Like, I'm trying to be encouraging, but it's there's no right or wrong answer, it depends on the person. And I always say soak in a nice hot tub for a while, that always you know, it helps the body to calm and reset, it helps with aches and pains, even if you don't have fibro. You know, if you're having a bad day, soaking in a hot tub is good, it opens up the pores, and like you know, yeah, so that's always good. That's oh, I think that's always good advice, no matter what your ailment is.

SPEAKER_03 7:34

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and then when you have those good days, you'll try to do as much as you can on those days.

SPEAKER_06 7:40

Exactly. I cram more in, but that's why I can't work, that's why I'm on disability. I don't know when a good day or a bad day will be. I can't, I can't schedule things. Like I mean, this interview. I schedule things either in the afternoon or the early evening. And those are usually my usable, doable hours, even if I'm having a not so good but not entirely bad day. I can still either record my own podcast or appear as a guest on a podcast because I do Christitutionalist.

Building A Podcast With Purpose

SPEAKER_06 8:19

I probably think I'm pronouncing it wrong. My own broadcast, right? Everybody wants to call it Christus, and indeed that's why Christ is in there, Christian, but I pronounce it Christitutionalist, kind of like the old Greek Christos, yeah, Christmas the old saying, you know, exmas. Don't say put Christ back in Christmas. Yeah, well, sorry, people, Christ is in Christmas, ex mass, Christos, mass of the Greek, that's keeping Christ in Christmas. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Can you tell me more about your podcast?

SPEAKER_06 9:02

Uh yeah, uh I I've always well said my music, so I'd always written it. I also always wrote stories, so I published my first international book though in 2022, and it became an Amazon bestseller in three categories terror strikes coming soon to a city near you. So in 2023, I thought, well, I'm obviously gonna keep writing books, but I do that whenever you know the influence. I like to say I transcribe the books and apologies. There was another podcaster who gave me that idea to say that. I used to say they flow through me, right? I just put them onto the page, type them onto the page. But transcription, she said she does too. It's like from wherever they come, they flow through me. I type them on, but I I do that whenever the uh the influence or the you know the motivation, the inspiration is the word I'm looking for. Hits me. But a podcast, so I started one Christitutionalist politics podcast. I'd shortened it to Christitutionalist podcast now based on the full Bible in full context, real Christianity, not Matthew 23, where you're picking and choosing things, but the whole thing in context and our Judeo-Christian constitutional foundations, so Christitutionalist. Um I start, yeah, yeah. I I trademarked the term, I invented it so you don't have left, right, Democrat, Republican, liberal, conservative. You're either Christian or you're not, but that's not true entirely. There are a lot of Matthew 23 fakes, frauds, vipers, snakes, blind guides as Christ uh foretold we would have, and boy, there's a lot of them. But yeah, are you a real Christian or aren't you? So I started that show. I do Saturday monologues, and then on Wednesday normally I do a guest.

unknown 11:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:15

But every once in a while I'll do a whole week of shows. So it's like I did health weeks in February of last year. I did music weeks, I've done book authors weeks like I did in October 2025, most recently. Uh this the week that we're recording is for the record, since I don't know when this will air, May 28th, Thursday is when we're recording. This week I've got a whole week of shows that were previously video exclusives that I dropped on video. So I can put on my 40-ish audio shows that way to have them heard and get caught up on them. I don't have to record anything new. I've already got it. I just gotta put an intro and an outro on it, and bam, there it is. There you go. Yeah, cheats, shortcuts, and cheats. I like that. I know that's where yeah, and they help us. Yeah, in fact, one of my books is oh oh oh let me see. Oh, oh, there it is podcasting quick start guide. So if you're thinking of doing a podcast, start off slow,

Budget Podcasting And Writing Advice

SPEAKER_06 12:32

start off inexpensively, don't spend tens of thousands of dollars to make a studio in your house till you know you're good at it and you're gonna keep doing it. Yeah, you're right.

SPEAKER_03 13:43

Yeah. What can uh what kind of advice can you give to people that want to do it?

SPEAKER_06 13:48

Well, you you do need a decent camera. Like I do it from my couch, as we've established, from my ugly couch. I'll lift up the green screen again.

SPEAKER_03 13:58

You have a green couch, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

But yeah, and then project an image on it. Usually I project other things, but we're using Google Meet, so I'm a little limited what I can project on my background. Normally on my show, I've got things in motion going, so it's a little more. You know, I'm in my fourth season now, so I'll try to get a little more fancy. And that's you know, I discussed that in the podcasting quick start guide, which which isn't showing up. There we go. Podcasting quick start guide. Uh you know, start off slow. I had a plain background, and I've got a more fancy image, and now I'm in full video behind me on my show. So, you know, invest as you go, don't spend it a lot. But I I forgot the question. I forgot where we were going with this.

SPEAKER_03 14:54

I know we were talking about podcasting. I just letting it go, but it this is awesome. Where can I get this book?

SPEAKER_06 15:02

Uh all my books are available on Amazon, tinyurl.com slash JLD, Joseph Leonard, Detroit. I'm in the Detroit area, so JL D initials on Amazon. They're all there, and a few of them are indeed Amazon Kindle exclusives. Audio books are available there also for many of my books. Uh, or you can go to if you're in the U.S., some of my books are available in print, autograph copies. TerrorStrikes.info slash shop. That's terrorstrikes.info slash shop based on my first international book. Oops, yeah. Not working with the green screen too. Well, there we go. Terror strikes coming soon to a city near you. That's a full novel. Like the podcasting book is really thin. I'll wiggle it. You can see it's you know, kind of thin, but I want to keep that's part of the point, though. I want to keep your costs down. That making the point, keep your costs down when you're first starting. Same thing goes for writing a book. I've got how to oh hey, that one's actually showing up. Exactly, yeah. Well, now it's not cooperating, but there we oh, okay. Yeah, how to write how to write a book and get it published, hints, tips, and techniques. If I hold it in front of me rather than the green screen. Oh, there oh, it's working. Okay, who knows what's gonna work today or not? But yeah, terror strikes that info, full novel. A lot of my other ones lately are noveless or short stories. So again, tinyurl.com slash jld on Amazon. They're all there. Of course, Booktopia in Australia, or you know, we're all Barnes and Nobles, Books a Million, yeah. But in the US, autograph copies of some of the books, not all, terror strikes.info slash shop.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Yeah, oh that's amazing. Because I think a lot of people they have curiosity. I hear a lot of people they want to do these podcasts and they want to write these books and all that. And this is a great resource to have.

SPEAKER_06 17:25

Yep, yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, well, how to write a book. There's a million books on how to put your book on Amazon. Well, you just say you don't need that. You can read Amazon's help files for free. Why are you spending 10, 12, 20 bucks to buy a book that tells you something you can read for free or watch a YouTube video for free? I I go from the concept. What is the concept and a story outline like a storyboard for a movie? And publishing options, what to do when you've published, because you're not done yet. Uh, you know, you gotta promote marketing and promotion and what to expect out of reviews. I have a uh a character development and a scene development. Uh uh that's amazing, yeah. Chapter in there. So, you know, a lot more than just the simple basic stuff. You know, you don't need to buy a book for that.

SPEAKER_03 18:29

Yeah, and you're right, yeah. And I think a lot of people have that into they really want to do this, but they're like lost and they don't really know how to do it. Yeah, this is an amazing resource.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

That's that's actually my second international book follow-up to terror strikes coming soon to the city near you, because I'd go on a bunch of shows and they'd say, Well, just talk about the writing and publishing part of it. And I said, Okay, I'll come back and do a show on that. And after a dozen of those shows, I thought to myself, light bulb, right? Write a book on it if people are interested. So I'll give like a free advice again, a freebie. And you can also go to tinyurl.com slash write and publish supplement, all run together, right? Tinyurl.com slash write and publish supplement and write and publish supplement. Two, three, and four, and I think there's even a five-fifth out there, all for free. Free advice before you even consider buying my book for the extra stuff, like a story outline. You need to outline your story before you start writing it. If it's in the computer or on three by five cards, so you can move things around when you need to.

SPEAKER_03 19:51

Yeah, exactly. That's right. Because that's where people get lost in the detail. Like, how do you what do you have your story? What do I need? All this stuff.

SPEAKER_06 19:58

And another another free tip: never ever actually hit delete. Yes, you're right. Use the strike through function, right? Microsoft Word, word perfect, whatever. You should use Microsoft Word because that's pretty much the industry standard now. Yeah, but yeah, if you're gonna remove something, highlight it, hit the strike through so it stays because later you might want to put it back, or you might want to move it somewhere else. But if you've deleted it, then you gotta oh, what did I say? Well, if won't you hit delete, and then when you're ready to publish, and do each chapter in a different document, and then you can cut and paste between them, and then when you're done, merge them all into one big document, remove all your strike-throughs and whatever red notes you might have in there, and bam, there's your final book. So that's all free advice, but there's a lot more available in how to write a book and get it published in tips and techniques because everybody's got a book in them, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Exactly. And I'll include those links that you gave me, they're all there in the description in YouTube. It's called Apple Podcasts and Spotify, so anyone can just go and click on it. Yeah, please go look into it.

SPEAKER_06 21:25

Yeah, the Gemini. I saw Gemini is Gemini AI is taking notes, so they'll know it'll know to pull out uh hyperlinks and uh yeah. Yes, if you pull the hyperlink and make them available for everybody to see, and that way you just go ahead and click on the link and that that's the good part of AI because I'm a former IT guy before I went on disability. So I'm on a lot of shows talking about AI, right? The good, the bad, the ugly. That's one of the good things.

unknown 21:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 21:58

What do you think? What about the other thing with AI? What do you think about it? Well, the uh ugly is hopefully Skynet doesn't become self-aware and kill us all, right? That's right. I mean, that is still a real possibility, although we'd like to hope to downplay that. And oh, and here's an interesting note terminator Mike. Was it Michael Bay that did that movie?

SPEAKER_03 22:24

Whom that was well, it was James Cameron.

SPEAKER_06 22:27

Cameron, thank you. Yeah, Michael Bay was the the uh Transformers guy. Transformer guy, yeah. So James Cameron, the Terminator, he actually got the idea from a movie in the 70s called Colossus the Forbin Project, which is hard to find. It's hard to find that movie. Now I got two copies of it, thankfully, on D V D because with AI becoming self aware, but that was the first movie where two an American computer and a Russian computer linked up to conspire against the humans.

AI In Healthcare: Helpful And Risky

SPEAKER_06 23:06

So That's where the idea of Skynet came from. So as Paul Harvey would say, now you know the rest of the story. Exactly. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 23:17

Yeah. And that's good because we do need to keep that in mind with AI. I'm actually using AI now at work. It's more like it try to capture the when I'm doing it with my patient. I always let my patient know I am recording, but it does capture the visit and all that.

SPEAKER_06 23:32

It's good for taking notes and yeah, and summarizing a visit. And if you meant if you mention you need to write a prescription, it can remind you to do the prescription. Again, that's a good use. Bad use would be patients skipping the doctor and going straight to AI. Like I'm sure you know when WebMD first started, right? You had patients. No doubt people. Oh, yeah, I ran my symptoms through WebMD. I think I'm dying of XYZ syndrome. Yeah, yeah. You know, the symptoms are the same for a lot of things. That's why you really need a human to interact with a human. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 24:18

Yeah. You need a human touch when it comes to these things. Yeah. And also, not only that these put I'm a primary care provider, I'm the one that knows you best. So when you come in telling me these things, let me look into your history and say, well, no, it could be this. So let's look into that more. So that's where it's like it gets important, like you have to work together to do it.

SPEAKER_06 25:24

Yeah. Uh yeah, there's a joke to be had there, but I I always like to interject. I I used to co-host on Savaged Unfiltered podcast too, and I was known as Jokester Joe and Raging Joe there. So you know, I get on my soapbox and rage sometimes. Other times I would joke, but you said primary care. There's a psych war joke in there somewhere. I just don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_03 25:53

Unfortunately, I do do with a lot of medicine. There's the joke. I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 25:57

There's the joke. I I primarily think you should be locked up. Oh, yeah. Why are you even allowed to be out on the loose? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the joke. It just took a while to come to me. Yeah, it's okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 26:19

So all right. Um, I also I think one of the things I keep seeing a lot, like sometimes I see this in the media. You have OCD.

SPEAKER_06 26:27

Sometime people Oh, I'm glad you brought that up.

SPEAKER_03 26:30

Yeah, because you know, my people say things like, oh, it's my OCD, you know, that kind of thing. Like, how did that make you feel?

SPEAKER_06 26:39

It and it does at times. Uh, I mean, it's a spectrum. Uh, my latest book, I have to hold up only a picture because it's not a physical book, it's only available on Kindle, and it just came out in May. So I don't even if it were out on print, I wouldn't have print copies of it yet. But it's called Roller Coasters, the life kind. And I yeah, I have you know, ups and downs and spins and twirls, and so roller coasters has always been a great metaphor for life. But I also go into Ferris wheels and tilt the whirls and carousels. Uh so I think it's a good read, but that's one of those that's a Kindle exclusive. Uh Audi oh well, I can't say that because it's available on audiobook took two, but it's Amazon exclusive again, tinyurl.com slash JLD on Amazon. Um, but yeah, I have my character Rick in the book has OCD because I on my Christitutionalist podcast had someone on April Langford, I think is her last name, and we were talking about autism. It's a spectrum. Well, ADHD and OCD, and yes, you can be bipolar and be both. And I'm I'm bipolar and ADHD at times and OCD at times, and it's in part why I have the health problems I do. My body, you know, my brain would just keep going, keep going, keep going, and eventually my body said, No, we're if you're not gonna slow down, we're gonna slow you down, and it shut down. So, yeah, some days my OCD may be mild, some days, and in fact, on Suno, tinyur.com, I bet you knew

OCD And ADHD As A Spectrum

SPEAKER_06 28:35

that was coming, right? Yeah, tinyur.com slash JLD on Suno. I've got a whole playlist of ADHD OCD songs. There's like seven of them there now, and cold, including one called Wired, which is thrash metal, because you know, some days are like that with OCD. It's a those because when people hear OCD, that's why I wanted to put it in the book. It's not just Howie Mendel and germophobia, yeah. Right? Right, exactly. That's what they think when they hear OCD, though. They think of how we mandel, and it's and it's a spectrum, it can be mild, it can be drastic, and some days it can be mild, it can be uh in between. So it's tough. So I wanted roller coasters the life kind to not just be entertaining but educational, like all my life and living series of books. Yeah, and bet you know this is coming. Tinyurl.com slash life and living series to find all those books. And you don't have to read them in order, you can read any one without any of the others. You know, it's a series because they're all based on life and living, yeah. Not like terror strikes is the first one, but it's not about death and destruction, it's about life and living, right? Yeah, and that's true. After I wrote that and and wrote how to write a book and get it published, I'm thinking, what do I want to write next? And the light bulb goes on. Well, I have four books now that are companions, the Christitutionalist edu series. Again, tinyurl.com slash Christitutionalist edu series of books for those. But why not do a life and living series? Exactly. And the characters carry over slightly, but you don't have to read the whole series to get the point. And I write them differently, like terror strikes is narrative with a little bit of dialogue, uh, and it's a traditional novel. The one after that is, if I can grab it here, the book of Kennedy. Oh, the Book of Kennedy, Project Carpe. Put it in front of me, it'll show up. The Book of Kennedy, Project Carpe Diem, right? Carpe Diem sees today, a life and living book. It's written narrative with zero, not one stitch of dialogue. There are some quotations and quote marks to highlight certain words or an exact quote, but no actual dialogue. And also a short story, a lasting legacy. It's actually a misnomer title. It's not a short story, it's a novelette. Yeah, exactly. But a short story refers to Ryan's life being cut short that from our expected norms, and it's written entire journal entry style, you know, as if you're reading somebody's diary, except for the last chapter, which is called eulogy. And then there's so it's journal entries, and then there's dialogue in the form of monologues of people eulogizing Ryan. So I try to write things different styles because not everyone's choice. It's in fact, I've got a Suno song. Yeah. Uh Eye of the Beholder, right? Beauty is in the eye of the holder. Like but writing it styles is too. Music genres is two. You might prefer country, you might prefer rap, you might hate thrash metal, like I mentioned, the wire song. Or thrash metal may be the only thing you lose that's in the ear of the beholder. So I've got a song called Ear of the Beholder. That's right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Yeah, oh, that's so awesome. And I think those things they help like try to understand like what's going on because it's a different way of live, it's different, it's a spectrum. It's a whole life.

SPEAKER_06 32:57

It is, it is a spectrum, yeah. Absolutely. Like uh my brain still almost never shuts off, and that's one of the reasons I can't work anymore. It's it's hard to sleep. It's both a blessing and a curse, though. Yeah, let me say that, right? Like you think of Rain Man with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise, that movie Autism. Well, he was high on the autism scale, but he was also highly capable. He was on uh motor skill high capability, also, so he could function. But he was also a savant when it came to things like card counting and things like that. OCD is a blessing in that your mind is always working on a problem that never shuts off. A boss loves somebody with OCD because they're focused on the task and they stay on the task till the task gets done and never stop. But it's also occurred because that person can't sleep at night if their brain won't shut off like me, and then your body falls apart.

SPEAKER_03 34:11

Yeah, and it gets very frustrating. It can be frustrating for the patient, and it's also very hard for the provider to do it because especially if they don't understand, like they think just throwing some. I'm not saying like uh you can't take medicine, but sometimes men don't always work, sometimes they do it, really depends on the person.

SPEAKER_06 34:30

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Like uh like chronic fatigue immune dysfunction syndrome, right? Well, what do they often attribute uh fatigue, always fatigue to depression? So they try to treat that with depression drugs, right? And it doesn't it may I don't want to say it doesn't help your mileage may vary, right? Yeah, exactly. Everybody's different, yeah. Something might work uh a sero uh uh seroquel or uh uh uh there's so many. Whatever, yeah. A depression drug could help, none of them helped for me, they just made things worse, so yeah, yeah, and that's why it's important to like collaborate.

SPEAKER_03 35:21

Well, for the provider to collaborate with the patient because that's not always the case. I always try to focus on the medical aspect before I move on to behavioral because what I've been finding a lot of patients they present with very real complaint, it's a very illegitimate complaint. And I'm like, well, let's just find out what it is. I don't want to say it's depression, it's something else. And usually it is something else. Like I'm one of those that would dig and find I research, and then that's what we and and there are times where I've even reached out to specialists and say, listen, this is not what you're thinking, this is it has to be something else.

SPEAKER_06 35:58

Yeah, please, you know, like I I also deal with anxiety and stress at times. IT, I was always on call, I was always dealing with anxiety and stress then. So I I I still today have a prescription of Xanax over there, of course. Now with the laws and the rules, I hate to give out a prescription, but I I get a prescription free filled once a year. 30 pairs, 30 pills will last me a year because I will only take it when I really if feeling jittery, if you know the anxiety and stress is causing physical pain or jitteriness, and I really need the Xanax.

Medication Realities And Patient Partnership

SPEAKER_06 36:43

Like I last week I took two, but I'll never take it more than two days in a row because when I first uh went, it was first going through all the diagnoses and whatnot, not working anymore. The stress was one thing. I was put on Xanax twice, the highest dose twice a day, and I was that way for like a year and a half. So, yeah, I don't have an addictive personality, but I was able to come up, but I still had to deal with the withdrawals. Yeah, those are two different the addiction and the physical dependency are two different things, and a lot of people don't understand that. So I went through the withdrawals and tried had it took four times before I was able to quit, and I still have the controlled substance because I can control myself. I know to take it only only if and when I really need it. I use the drug, the drug isn't ruling my life, right?

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

Anymore, it was a little, you know, when I was on it for a year and a half, and yeah, all that that hypersense of paranoia and all that stuff. Uh my wife landed up leaving uh during that time. It was like, yeah, because I was a different person. I I was indeed paranoid all the time. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:14

Yeah, and that goes. And that was the drug, that was the side effect. That was the side effect, and it was because of what you were going through with everything.

SPEAKER_06 38:24

In part two, yeah, it was part mental, part drug, but right, exactly. You've got to examine the whole situation, and everyone is different again. Your mileage may vary, is the joke.

SPEAKER_03 38:37

Yeah, exactly. Everybody's different, and I think that's like the big thing. Like, we have to listen, I have to listen as a provider, and I try to do that with my patient because what they're telling, they don't understand, they're trying to communicate what their needs are, and everybody's different. So, and if you don't find out, it could have a triple-down effect, it affects everybody around you.

SPEAKER_06 39:00

Yes, yeah, and I've always had a good relationship with my doctors over the years, so it's good, you know. I I know WebMD can be a tool, but you can't let it be your doctor, yeah. But yeah, you know, so I've used it as a resource, and the same thing with AI, you can use it as a resource. Well, but symptoms A, B, and C could be X, Y, or Z. You can't let it tell you, well, for sure it's X. Well, again, that's why you need a human doctor. You've got to run the battery of tests, yeah. And you have to have the psych profile done and all that stuff. So yeah, the AI, you know, yeah, a robot could probably take your temperature and your blood pressure and all that in the near future, but we it it it's no substitute for a human doctor.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

Yeah, the robot doesn't know subtlety than a human or sarcasm. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 40:03

Because I joke all the time. It's like, yeah, yeah, you better watch what you say to the AI because it almost takes everything literal. Or I found the other thing, it can versely can get caught. Like I converse with grok, I'm on X, and I use Grok uh again as a tool, or uh you know, to bounce ideas off or to to as a research tool. And a lot of times if you find you say something, and the first thing it says back is ha ha. Well, this is not a laughing matter. This isn't a joke. We're having a serious conversation. You cannot say ha ha because the last three things were jokes. You gotta understand context. Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 40:56

Yeah, and AI doesn't. I think I'm having a heart attack. Ha ha. Maybe you should go to the hospital. That's not a response. The go to the hospital part is, but the ha ha part ain't. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:16

Well, again, that's the AI, the good, the bad, and the ugly.

SPEAKER_06 41:19

It's not quite there yet. And the other thing is being an

AI Ethics And Creator Attribution

SPEAKER_06 41:23

author, it's ripping off authors, it's ripping off, you know, movie producers, it's ripping off podcast content makers, because it's using that to study its model, and it may say something. Oh, like uh, someone says, write my paper on terrorism. And if AI quotes my book without giving me attribution or accreditation, and they put it in a thesis paper, guess who's responsible for plagiarism? Not exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

And that's why it's the thing that a lot of people they're all cracking down on it. Like, well, you shouldn't use it.

SPEAKER_06 42:07

Yeah, no, you can, and I have no problem if you're writing on something on terrorism, quoting terror strikes coming soon to a city new, because it's historical fiction, it's part fact and part fiction. And you yeah, the whole idea is to not necessarily know where the fact in the fiction end or begin. But so you can use it to quote as long as you're giving me appropriate accreditation. Quoting this is from the book by Joseph M. Leonard, and again, Leonard without a no, it's not Lennard, even though it looks French. And I gotta use the middle initial because Joseph Leonard of South Carolina, I am Joseph M. Leonard of Michigan, hence on social media you find me most places, J. Leonard Detroit, J for Joseph Elf, J for Joseph Leonard, again, no oh Detroit. Except on X, I'm J Leonard, Michigan, because Elon suspended, locked out my quarter of a million follower account. So I'm I'm back to scratch again. So oh my god, uh oh I can't. Well uh uh across all my platforms, I'm on more than a dozen different platforms. So yeah, I've got a quarter of a million followers, but it's just not on one platform.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, do you uh find when you with these followers? Do you have these people they share the same story, same condition as you? Do you ever see that?

SPEAKER_06 43:49

Oh, some do, yeah, of course, some do. And that's you know, and I want to say this um before we go too far. Yeah, I'm on disability, right? But I also recognize that there's a lot of people who want to game the system and scam the system because there's no real cure for chronic fatigue immune dysfunction. You have to, you know, if you've got the immune dysfunction part, it's easier to diagnose because your immune system is depressed, and that's easier to tell. But a lot of people will claim chronic fatigue syndrome. Well, there's no real test for that, and scammers uh indeed try to scam the system. So, you know, when I first applied for the disability, I was, of course, denied. And I have no problem with that because indeed there's a lot of scammers out there who could get off their ass and do things, but they don't want to. They want the rest of us to pick up for them, which you know, the whole and ran atlas shrugged thing.

SPEAKER_03 45:09

Okay. Um and what do you think about like uh the healthcare system in general, especially with people dealing with chronic health issues? What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_06 45:21

Well, I still think we have the best in the world. Uh, could it be better? Yes. Could it be a lot worse? Heck yes. Uh, you know, I I I get tired of this. You know, you're against socialized medicine. Uh you're a Nazi because you're against social. Excuse me, do you know who invented that? National Socialist Deutschland Amateur Party, the National Socialists, the Nazis invented. Socialized medicine because it was about power and control over people, not health care. Oh, wow. Oh, well, that's interesting. I mean, that's that that's fuck.

Disability Scams And System Frustrations

SPEAKER_06 46:08

Yeah, you might say you like socialized medicine, but you can't argue with the fact where it comes from. So my opposing it isn't me being a Nazi. That's me, that's you actually being pro-Nazi. If it comes down to it. Yeah, I I hate to be so blunt and frank, but you know, our education system is so poor in this country, people don't know anything, they just don't know, and they don't want to know. They prefer their delusional little bubble.

SPEAKER_03 46:40

Yeah. And are there a way we can help reach to these people, help educate these people?

SPEAKER_06 46:46

Well, I you know, I try through my podcast. Right?

SPEAKER_03 46:50

I mean Yeah, you got you at the case, you write the book, you do everything.

SPEAKER_06 46:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:57

Yeah.

unknown 46:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 46:59

Um I'm just looking. Yeah. Um, is there anything like of the when you're on your podcast? Is there any like guests that you feel like got mental health wrong or an up and about mental health wrong? What do you think?

SPEAKER_06 47:14

No, I I've I've had some great guests uh for health weeks and even not during health weeks, other weeks. I've never had anyone that I've really, you know, and and I'm not a doctor, nor do I play one on TV, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one. Although I do share a meme on social media a lot that I created. It's I'm not a know it all, I just play one on the internet. Yeah, oh that's funny. Isn't that good? So so you know, I everyone's entitled to their opinion, but it matters whether your opinion's based in reality or unicorn fart fantasy delusion. And I try to always make sure I stay rooted in reality, but there are going to be differences of opinions as long as you're both trying to deal in reality, that's fine. Uh, I did uh let me say this: I did have a guy on to talk about meditation, yeah, and he was just so monotone and dull and boring that I almost didn't air the show, but I did air it because you know it's an important topic. People stress meditation can help. So I wanted people to have that information.

SPEAKER_03 48:39

Yeah. So I I've actually encouraged meditation with my patient, but I also know it's one of the non-pharmological methods we do, but I always say, you know, it goes well with therapy, and sometimes medicine it depends on your needs.

SPEAKER_06 48:54

Again, everyone's an individual and your mileage may vary. Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 48:59

Everybody's different, but I try not to be like, oh, just go ahead and meditate, you know that. Yeah, you don't want to.

SPEAKER_06 49:06

If you've got OCD, imagine how hard it is to try to calm your mind and just relax. And I've I've even got a playlist on Suno called Calming, where I wrote a couple instrumentals or or you know, slow songs uh uh about OCD or ADHD to try to calm down and calm the mind and slow the it's kind of a music form of meditation.

SPEAKER_03 49:33

Yeah, oh that's really good. Yeah, and I and I and that's really good for anyone that wants to go there, check it out, listen to these music again.com slash JLD on Suno.

SPEAKER_06 49:47

Exactly. Go there and check it out. My playlist, I've got America 250 playlists, I've got the ADHD O C D playlist, I've got Parodies playlist, I've got Life and Living for my book series uh playlist, I've got that calming uh I've got like 10 playlists there of different stuff. So uh bad breakup songs, you know. Everybody likes weird. I've got one called Fireworks on the fourth, or no more fireworks on the 4th of July, you know. The yeah, the figurative and literal, no fireworks today because our relationship lost the fireworks and we're no longer together, kind of thing. So wow.

SPEAKER_05 50:31

Oh yeah, that's good. I think you can listen to it. That's in my bad breakups uh playlist.

SPEAKER_03 50:39

Yes. Oh, is there any like advice or recommendation you can give somebody who's struggling with their mental health?

SPEAKER_06 50:47

Uh well, before I do that, I want to also mention I wrote April Fools should be our anniversary. Yeah, yeah. As both a parody and a bad breakup song. It's like you sure played me for a fool. April Fools should be our anniversary. Now, yeah, my advice for anyone with health issues, mental or otherwise, seek help. Don't try to self-medicate, especially with alcohol or illegal drugs. Seek help. We all have to learn to not be like in my constitutionalist EDU series, my Christitutionalist book three. I talk about hubris, right? Right, the the the sin isn't pride. You should be proud of Johnny hitting the home run at Little League, a walk-off home run. You should be proud of Sally getting all A's or winning a ribbon at the pony shows or in gymnastics or her little league baseball if she plays, right? You should take pride in a job well done at work, but it's hubris if you're then going into the boss and pounding on his ass. I demand triple my salary because all these other people are worthless. That's hubris, that's pridefulness. That's different. You've got to put your pride aside and realize we're all human, we're all flawed, we're all frail, we're all imperfect. You need to seek help. You can't resist seeking help when you need it.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

And you're right, and that can be very difficult, especially in these times. Um, I feel like a lot of time they have these like stigma associated with it. How would you overcome something like that?

SPEAKER_06 52:42

Yeah, again, you just yeah, I I started this thing a couple months ago called the mirror moment. Okay, you know, Michael, I've talked about music, so let me uh Michael Jackson's

Mental Health Advice And Mirror Moment

SPEAKER_06 52:56

Man in the Mirror. Yes, right? Uh Man or Woman in the Mirror, whatever. I'm asking him or her to change his ways, right? It starts with you. Same thing, Rick Springfield from his karma album has a song called Prayer. I send a prayer to heaven for the chance to be a better man or woman than the man or woman I see, presumably looking back in my mirror. So I created the mirror moment on my show. Not, you know, the old network movie where the guy says, I want you to go to the window, open up, and scream, I'm mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take it anywhere. Well, that's just pissing in the wind. That's I want you, I do want you to literally get up off your ugly couch, go in your bathroom, look yourself in the mirror, point your finger, and remember what's the old thing? Three more of your own are pointing right back at you. Because a lot of people fool, they're liars, they're hypocrites, and they fool everybody, but the person they fool the most themselves. You gotta be able to look yourself in the mirror, have an honest conversation with yourself, a mirror moment, and self-reflect. And who am I really? What are my strengths? What are my weaknesses? Not like you're at an interview, of course, but you know what I mean, right? And you've got to at first come to thine own self be true, but also the saying, know thyself. Yeah, you're right. And before you can make any change. And indeed, if you're suffering hubris, that's the first thing that's gotta go. The first thing to go has got to be a recognition, I, man or woman or whatever you want to call yourself, have room for improvement and need to want to improve.

SPEAKER_03 55:02

Right, and that's what we all do. We're all on this journey in life. It's not so much the destination, it's always the journey, and we're always working on ourselves.

SPEAKER_06 55:11

Oh, great. You set off my OCD brain now. Now I'm gonna have the journey song when the lights go down. I can't sing anymore. That's another reason why I would use Suno AI instead. I used to have a reasonable voice, but my vocal range is between screeching cat and laughing hyena now. So I I can do Man and the Man. I'm starting with the man, the man MJ, which is appropriate, the Michael movie is out, and I highly recommend it, you know, because he tried, you know, Ebony and Ivory and Human Nature is the most important song I believe he ever wrote. So Michael movies out now. I think it's an important movie to see. No, it doesn't cover everything, but it is important uh to recognize we gotta be nicer to each other, we gotta try to be uh and but again, man in the mirror, it's gotta start with you, it's gotta start within.

SPEAKER_03 56:20

Exactly. And how can like people around the patient, like their family, then friend, help out in that situation?

SPEAKER_06 56:28

Oh, that's a good question. I I haven't told this in a while on the uh broadcast, but uh I used to play hockey through high school. I never got to play in college or you know, go pro or anything like that. But uh so I watch a lot of NHL over the last few years. Several teams had PSAs, right? Public service announcements. They'd have a PSA called Embrace the Awkward, right? And they're showing a bunch of people uh uh you know uncomfortable. It's like I know something's not right with you, something's different. I may not be able to help you, but no, I will listen and I will try to help you find the help you need. Embrace the awkward, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:21

You're right. That's a good idea, and that's something that everybody needs to keep that in mind because everybody helped too late, especially with veterans.

SPEAKER_06 57:29

The 22 project I talk about all the time. In fact, I do in my uh terror strikes coming soon to a city near you, PTSD, uh survivors guilt for terrorists or even crime survivors. That's a form of PTSD. Yeah, and the 22 project, on average, 22 veterans committing suicide a day. That's almost one an hour. Oh wow, yeah, yeah, or is it 22 every hour? I I I forget now, but 22 a day is too many. It's too many a day is a way, two a month would be too many. All lives have value. It's not like it's a wonderful life with Jimmy Stewart and Donna Reed. You know, Clarence isn't gonna come down and show, hey, you saved somebody who went on to be a war hero, or hey, you you stopped a pharmacist from poisoning a child, which would have ruined a few families' lives. Most people's lives are never gonna be

Embrace The Awkward And Tiny Kindness

SPEAKER_06 58:37

that dramatic. Right. But like my the I think something with the internet. I'm grabbing Greg. Oh yeah, I think we gotta uh stop a little bit, but you're back. Yeah, in the Book of Kennedy Project Carpe Diem, Kennedy shares a forced smile with Sam at a ice cream place because Sam is divorced and it's his day with the kids, and you know they're giving them a hard time over what flavor they want. And she shares a smile with Sam, and Sam was contemplating not going on anymore. But that little smile, that little moment made a big difference in Sam's life, and while it's fictional, this relates to the real world. Sam then goes on to remarry, whose then child goes on to cure cancer. It wouldn't have happened without that little smile that Kennedy doesn't even remember, but Sam does, yeah. But you know, if you're Kennedy, you may not remember the smiles or the lame jokes you tell or what, but it matters. It does, it adds up to something greater in the book of life, or in the Egyptian Osiris uh grand scheme of things, whether your heart and your soul is lighter than a feather, the math of life, little things add up in the grand scheme of things, greater than those things that you think are big negatives in your life.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:27

Exactly. Like embrace like the little things in life. It's kind of like you know we overlook those, yeah, and I'm telling you, they matter, they do, they do, and every day the blessing when you wake up, that kind of thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:44

So embrace the awkward and insist they watch the show, yeah, exactly. So they hear all this. You don't have to remember all this, you can just tell them to listen to the Nurse Jesse podcast with Joseph M. Leonard on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:01

Exactly, yeah, and this is so wonderful. I want people to hear that because I'm trying to encourage these patients, like just come in. Even you don't like they have a family doctor, you like them as a resource as well. Um, you have a great relationship with your doctor. How can patients get that kind of relationship with their doctor?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:18

Yeah, well, again, it's it's there's other PSAs about you know a bit like you go into the doc, you ask questions everywhere. You ask questions at the theater, you ask questions at the diner, you ask questions at the gas station, but you go into the doctor and it's like you clam up. Yes, exactly. Yes, you you've gotta talk. My last doctor visit, we spent 20 minutes together because I'm starting to get shakes in my right hand. I need to go to a neurologist. Do I need to worry about Parkinson's? My fibromyalgia. On my dad's side, my grandmother had really bad RA, rheumatoid arthritis. I've got swelling in my right foot that doesn't go away. It seems to be getting worse. I need to talk to a professional about that. But that's you've gotta talk, you've gotta ask questions. Jesse can't read your damn mind. Exactly. They're right. Tell me, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:02:26

Yeah, I that's how I am. I'm like, I can't read you much. Tell me if I if you don't tell it's like I can't help you if I don't have the information.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:34

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:35

And I try to explain to the patient.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:36

Sometimes I tell them, like, just write it down, or oh, I'm glad you said that. I'm reaching behind my green screen on my other. Here's my notes from my last doctor visit. Now, obviously, I don't want to dox. No, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I get yeah, exactly. That's a bit I didn't see there. There's a half dozen things on the sheet that I wanted to make sure I didn't forget to cover with the doctor when I was there because, well, that's an expense thing. I don't want to have to go to the doctor three different times and pay a copay each time when I get it all in in one visit. And now I got another doctor visit anyway, because I need to go to a neurologist. Yeah, because a general practitioner doesn't deal with uh

How To Talk With Your Doctor

SPEAKER_06 1:03:22

Parkinson's.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:23

Yeah, and also you want to like limit the amount of visit, like you want a more direct route to your issues. You want to talk to a practitioner, a normal general practitioner, they can go see this neurologist that will help you with that.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:36

Get a referral, yes, get a referral, exactly.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:40

Whether you have insurance or not, whether they require the referral or not, it's good to have the referral.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:47

Yeah, exactly. And that's what I'm here for. Like I'm always there as a resource. If I don't know the answer, I will find the answer.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:54

And again, someone and again to sum things up, I I am a doctor technically. I I do have an honorary doctorate degree, so I am Dr. Joseph M. Leonard, but I never put the DR or the PhD at the end. So I am a doctor, but not really, you know what I mean? Yeah, I'm not a medical doctor, nor am I trying to play one here. Jesse is the professional here.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:21

Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Uh and let's see. I have like one last question.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:30

Um, you lose it?

SPEAKER_03 1:04:37

No, I'm sorry. Yeah. Um did you have have you ever felt like dismissed by your healthcare professional with your issues and all that?

SPEAKER_06 1:04:47

Again, I I have a good relationship with the doctor. Now, it was hard at first in 2001 when I was going through my issues and before I got put on the disability and was no longer working until 2004. Those three years were really rough going through things, indeed, trying to find out the diagnosis. I felt rejected by the legal system, not wanting to, you know, confirm I was disabled because hey, I've got both arms working, I got both legs at work, you know. Disability can be internal too. So I felt dismissed in that way, but never by my doctors. We were confused together. Yeah, I never felt dismissed. And then you guys were working together. Like, what's going on? Like, how the figure does that? What we do? You can't read minds in Nork. Is there a it's not like Star Trek where you got the little thing? Oh yeah, I could tell by the tricorder reading, you've got a bum knee, or you you you've got a heart and mouth problem, or because that's been another one. I had Taver surgery last year. Yeah, oh wow, yeah. My my main or the order artery uh had to be replaced with a uh I think it was a cow cow part. There's cow part or pig part, but yeah, and that's the other thing why I have a good relationship with my doctor is I do research things before I go in to talk to them. But I don't go in and say, well, WebMD says no, no, no, no. You talk to them like a human and say, Yes, I did go on WebMD, or I did consult Grok, or I did you know, and that was their thoughts. It's influenced my thoughts, but you're the professional. We need to work through this together.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:55

We need to yeah, work together, like work together, review it, see what's going on, and how can we move forward? What is the next step? What do we need to do at this point?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:04

Right, because things will only get worse, yeah. Exactly. Yeah, you're not gonna make there's no magic wand, it's not gonna go away. Yeah, right, you're right, unless you do something to change your situation, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:21

All right, uh, we're coming up to the end of the oh wow, we're gonna we're coming up to the end of the power.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:26

Power already, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:28

Yeah, wow, this is amazing. And is there any last word, anything you would like to say to the listeners?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

Well, I've given out a lot of tiny URL sites, but my actual author site is Joseph M. Leonard. Again, it looks French, it's not Leonard without a no Joseph J-O-S-E-P-H M for Martin M.

Closing Thoughts And Where To Find Him

SPEAKER_03 1:09:40

I'm going to end the recording, okay?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:49

Life isn't a straight line. It twists, it soars, it drops without warning. But it's in those heart-pounding moments, the climbs and the falls, that we discover who we truly are. Roller coasters, the life kind, a book by Joseph M. Leonard, available now on Amazon.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:49

Empty glass on the table. To promise our hearts together would grow now. Silence screams in my head.

SPEAKER_11 1:12:05

Every word I wish and said I professed how my heart swelled at your touch. But still put you through hell.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:53

The sirens were flashing light. My world went dark. No sun, no bright,

Book Promo And Original Songs

SPEAKER_09 1:12:59

just endless, wrong. No end inside my anger, burn my foolish pride.

SPEAKER_11 1:13:07

Nowhere left for me to hide. I love to kiss your sweet lips. Go through my fingers. Hold it down my face. Roll the ghost I fled undying love till dust but alas. I was never worthy of your trust. Now these nightmares won't let me be. I was blind, I could not see Roller Coast a tissue falling down my face. Biting off my feelings given the space. Roller coaster tissue. Alarm I can replace the story is over, but yet again.

SPEAKER_10 1:17:01

Coffee gone cold in her hand. All these Tuesdays bleeding together. Like she think on the back of her plants.

SPEAKER_11 1:17:12

She said Thought there'd be thunder. Some sign when my moment began. But the mail still comes and the dishes still dry. And the clock just ticks where it's dead. With a few. In the middle, then every life.

SPEAKER_10 1:18:09

What is that? Trambling slightly like she don't lost the whole world to get the baby this movie.

SPEAKER_11 1:18:18

Not the fuck with the crap. And the quiet tattoo. With the few back, the dog The bottom. The jokes that fall flat, the night's coming back.

SPEAKER_07 1:19:25

Just to sit on the edge of the sky Oh we just feel the few five minutes to tie Or all the cracks and everything.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:41

We're that quiet, holy light arrived. Well then the box to take a night. And every small, forgettable moment was the story. The whole time you can open up and love.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:44

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