The Healthy Church Staff Podcast
The Year-Three Conversation That Would Have Saved Them
Aug 27, 2026
Episode 689
This podcast episode discusses the phenomenon known as the '3-5 year wall,' where staff members within three to five years of tenure pose a high flight risk. Todd Rhoades, co-founder of Chemistry Staffing, highlights the need for proactive career conversations rather than reactive measures, emphasizing the importance of making staff feel valued and having a growth plan in place. He advises church leaders to engage staff at the 24-36 month tenure with meaningful discussions about their roles, compensation, and future aspirations before they decide to leave.
• 3-5 year staff members are at high risk of leaving, known as the '3-5 year wall.'
• 59% of staff within 3-5 years consider leaving, marking a significant increase from earlier years.
• Typical practices (annual reviews) are inadequate for retaining these staff members.
• Feeling valued is crucial for staff retention during the 3-5 year phase.
• Proactive career conversations addressing role, compensation, and future aspirations are recommended.
• Top-level involvement is necessary for effective career conversations.
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