Four Cups, Shared Traditions: A Journey Through Kosher Wine

Prepare for an extraordinary Passover experience as we journey through the perfect wine pairings for your Seder table. Broadcasting from Rav Shlomo Katz's beautiful synagogue in Efrat, this special collaboration between The Kosher Terroir and JM in the AM delivers both practical wisdom and spiritual depth for the holiday.

Simon Jacob guides us through his meticulously curated wines for the four cups – beginning with La Forêt Blanche rosé from the historic Yatir region (where King David planted vineyards for Temple's sacrifices), progressing to the robust Flam White Label, continuing with a light Tepperberg Grenache, and culminating with the sweet Ya'acov Oryah "G" Gwurtztraminer that perfectly complements the Afikomen. Along the way, Simon solves the perennial Passover dilemma of what to serve at Kiddush Club when whiskey is forbidden, recommending premium kosher brandies like Julius from the Golan.

The conversation transcends mere wine tasting as Rav Shlomo Katz shares profound insights about the sacred balance between Torah study and spiritual connection during the Seder. He describes how his father would "daven the Haggadah" rather than simply read it, creating an experience that passes authentic tradition to the next generation. "It's the night that you could give over Yiddishkeit to your children more than any other night of the year," Nachum Segal explains, calling Seder night "a fulcrum of the entire year."

Perhaps most moving is the discussion of the symbolic "fifth cup" representing V'heveti – God's promise to bring the Jewish people to the Land of Israel. As Nachum Siegel powerfully states, "The story that begins with the exodus from Egypt has only one ending... the Jews who spent hundreds of years in Egypt, eventually getting to Eretz Yisrael."

Whether you're seeking practical wine guidance or deeper connection to Passover's enduring traditions, this episode offers wisdom to enhance your celebration. Chug Pesach Kasher V'Samayach

Transcript

Introduction and Prayer for Hostages

Solomon Simon Jacob 0:09

Welcome to The Kosher Terroir. I'm Simon Jacob, your host for this episode from Jerusalem. Before we get started, I ask that, wherever you are, please take a moment and pray for the safety of our soldiers and the safe return of all of our hostages. Welcome to The Kosher Terroir. This episode was actually part of the JM in the AM episode hosted by Nahum Siegel on NSN this week. It took place in Efrat at Rav Shlomo Katz's beautiful synagogue, which celebrates its third anniversary, the Shabbat. We all tasted wines that were my suggestion for the four cups of this year's Passover Seder. There was also very serious discussion between Nachum and Rav Shlomo regarding the Shvi Shel Pesach celebrations that occur among Hasidic communities. Pesach celebrations that occur among Hasidic communities and the custom of the fifth cup of wine at the Seder for those celebrating Hashem, bringing them back home to Eretz Yisrael. I know that this could have been heard earlier as part of Nachum's morning show, but it was so meaningful to me that I had to publish it within podcast. So without any further introduction, welcome to the party.

Wine Recommendations for Passover

Nachum Segal 1:28

All right, Simon Jacob says that there are some recommendations he has for this year's Pesach Seder. When it comes to delicious kosher wine, Simon, 20 years ago there were only a certain number of kosher, and especially Israeli wines. You know, what's going on today in the wine market. You know what's happening now with Israeli wines.

Solomon Simon Jacob 1:45

There are over 300 wineries in. Israel Over 300 wineries.

Nachum Segal 1:50

What has happened to the people that don't drink? All of a sudden, they're into wines from around the world, and especially Israel.

Solomon Simon Jacob 1:55

But, that said, I want some much more important issue. The more important issue is that we're coming up on a Shabbat and Shabbat always has, after Shacharit, a Kiddush club.

Nachum Segal 2:08

Whoa Okay, let's check this out.

Solomon Simon Jacob 2:13

I don't know if they have a Kiddush club here, and one of the problems is the real people who come to the Kiddush club always need their whiskey, and the whiskey is Hametz. It's already put away, so everything's put away. And to say that you, what a conundrum it is. It's a big problem. It's a big problem. So, just so that you should know the people who drink whiskey when they started to make whiskey and also the other spirits, their goal was to create something like brandy. That was the goal, and the reason why it was a goal was because grapes weren't available all over and brandy was only in certain areas, and it's actually also only in certain seasons to be able to get great products okay, where you can basically distill things any time of the year that you want to. So the issue was how do you get something that's like brandy? Here we are on Pesach, you can actually drink brandy.

Solomon Simon Jacob 3:16

Now, in the past, there were very few and really not very good brandies, especially here in Arez, I mean, there was 777, which you could use to actually cook food on. I mean, people used to pour it into a container and light it, and that was really basically the brandies that were available we are now living at a time where not only do we have wine, we have some incredible brandies, and they're not only brandies that are coming in from France that are absolutely cachere, but we also have brandies that come from the Golan. There's one of the best brandies I've ever tasted in my life is a brandy called Julius, and you can get it easily in Israel. It's a little pricey, but it's spectacular, and I strongly recommend that on Shabbat for the Kiddush Club, it goes great with everything.

Nachum Segal 4:15

Thank goodness, you solved it Okay.

Solomon Simon Jacob 4:16

So you're solved. You're solved as far as the Kiddush Club is concerned. Thank you, okay, so that's number one on the hit parade. I just want to make sure we get to the Shabbat Kiddush first.

Nachum Segal 4:25

By the way, simon's solution is good 20 years from now also, yes, because that's the next time that Shabbat will be Erephesah.

Solomon Simon Jacob 4:33

It's good all the time, so let's put this in the archives right.

Nachum Segal 4:36

Yes 20 years from now, they could dig it out of their computer file and find out. What did the Jews of the 2025 era do when they were faced with this problem? And they'll have an answer Meruch Baruch Hashem, 100%. Look at this.

Solving the Kiddush Club Hametz Dilemma

Solomon Simon Jacob 4:47

We're going down in history 100% Great, I'm ready for them to use it in 20 years, okay. So let's talk about the four cups. Okay, the four cups for the seders, for the seder, or seders if you're in outside area of the world you're in If you're outside.

Solomon Simon Jacob 5:07

So most of the mavens, with regard to the four cups, the mavens of wine create a. You know they have a game plan and typically they have a precise game plan as to what they want to do, especially in today's world, with the wines that are out today and what have you. So they take different approaches and last year I created a podcast where I asked people their game plans for Pesach and there were some really interesting game plans. In fact, one that, especially for people in Hul only for people in Hul included doing only Israeli wines for the first Seder and then doing wines from Hul because it's actually only applicable in Chutz Laretz. So that was one and that's a sort of thing. And some people pick a wine that they love and they drink it for all four cups. Some people, some enthusiasts, pick bottles based on specific things that are going on in the Seder and, specifically, people who are there.

Solomon Simon Jacob 6:14

All right, and, as we talked before, because there's so many wines, there's a desire to have a playlist. The same way where you had all of the, you had a couple of music songs on your walkman, as I remember, and now you've got thousands of uh songs and you need a playlist, you need something to be able to uh, go to and to modify. Okay, first of all, I just want to mention that, if their kids are in in attendance and if you want to stay absolutely awake for everything, there's always grape juice, and you know my family loves Kedem and you can actually get Kedem here, which is actually from New York grapes, which is kind of crazy. And then there's tea Roche, uh, which some of the some of my family likes, but most of them don't, but I kind of like it, um, and, and that's that's the options for grape juice, but grape juice is always, always an option. Kabbalistically, there's a definite preference for red wines. Okay, so you've got to really drink a red wine for the Seder, for the, for the um.

Nachum Segal 7:24

Some will drink white and pour a little red in it.

Solomon Simon Jacob 7:26

Yes, some people do that, or some people start out with a rosé, so in the recommendations I'm going to make it a rosé for the first wine, and I think that there's a reason for that.

Nachum Segal 7:38

You have a very anxious crowd ready to taste some wines.

Solomon Simon Jacob 7:40

Here we go. Here we go, I'm sorry, come on.

Nachum Segal 7:45

I'll be quiet.

Solomon Simon Jacob 7:46

People travel far and wide to be here for the big wine tasting.

Nachum Segal 7:47

Okay, so I happen to have four glasses here, so this is what you'll use for the first cup.

Solomon Simon Jacob 7:52

The first cup is La Forette, the White Forest, blanche Blanche.

Nachum Segal 7:57

La Forette.

Solomon Simon Jacob 7:58

Blanche, it's the White Forest, and the White Forest happens to be the Beit HaMikdash, okay, and it comes from a winery that's in Yatir, near Yatir. It's in the Yatir forest, and actually that area was planted. The grapes were planted by David HaMelech in order for the wine that eventually came from there to be used in the Beit HaMikdash, so that's where that came from you can pour some for yourself.

Nachum Segal 8:31

everyone's about to make a l'chaim. You have to at least first start that.

Solomon Simon Jacob 8:33

Okay, okay, okay, okay okay.

Nachum Segal 8:37

The paparazzi's taking photos of you. Okay, here we go.

Solomon Simon Jacob 8:40

So this is the rosé from there. It's actually le furet blanche and it's wonderful. It's in 2024. And L'chaim Baruch atah, adonai Elohim Baruch atah.

Nachum Segal 8:52

Amen, L'chaim, L'chaim everybody.

Solomon Simon Jacob 8:56

Okay.

Nachum Segal 8:57

I'm going to drink it. This reminds me of Siddus Mashiach Wine after wine, after wine. Okay, oh, they don't do that, shviesa Hezal, do they? Of course not. It's not an Alfred Shviesa Hezal diaspora thing. Shviesa Hezal, shabbos afternoon, they're going to do it. I love it.

Solomon Simon Jacob 9:11

So this is a light wine. It's fun, which I really think the opening wine should be. It's low alcohol and it's perfect. And actually using a rosé at your Seder probably is going to generate questions. So it's the first question. Okay, let's get to the second.

Nachum Segal 9:30

What's this one?

Solomon Simon Jacob 9:30

called. The second is Flam White Label, nice. It happens to be a rich, very robust wine. I'll pour less.

Tasting the Four Cups Selection

Nachum Segal 9:46

I don't. Yeah, you've got to slow this down, Simon Oh'll pour less. I don't yeah you've got to slow this down. Simon, oh my gosh, we've got people driving up to this, including you, by the way, I know.

Solomon Simon Jacob 9:53

Okay, so it's a white label by Flop. This is a robust wine, this is what's going to go into the meal and it really needs to be robust and it can carry forward through the meal.

Nachum Segal 10:05

It's a maggid wine. It needs time to aerate, as they say.

Solomon Simon Jacob 10:09

Yes, it's a great wine. Some other wines that you might choose are like the Grad Vid by Castel, the Wittken Cab Franc or Churashim, or the Shiloh Secret Reserve or Mosaic it sounds like you're getting emotional. Okay, I am Does the wine make you emotional. It makes me incredibly emotional, so, l'chaim, we'll try this one. This is the cup two.

Nachum Segal 10:29

I've got to get back to this topic with the Rav, shlomo Katz, for a minute. Do you think your brewery is doing a Suddus Moshiach on the seventh day of Pesach Out of Mitzvah? To clear that up, rafi, you also weigh in on this. We grew up together, oh my In. Fairlawn. Holy cow, we thought we were insiders from Sloan. He really knows.

Solomon Simon Jacob 10:52

They grew up together In Fairlawn New.

Nachum Segal 10:53

Jersey. It sounds like they grew up together in Fairlawn.

Solomon Simon Jacob 10:55

Yep.

Nachum Segal 10:56

All right, there you go.

Solomon Simon Jacob 10:57

Next one.

Nachum Segal 10:59

My Mahlutin's from Fairlawn. Okay, I'm very curious about this guy.

Solomon Simon Jacob 11:01

We're now up to the cup three, all right, and you've got. This is a lighter red wine. It's something that's enjoyable. Jay, I think, brought up a thing of using a Pinot Noir. Pinot Noir, there are very few of them. I'm more interested in something like a Grenache, which is also a light, low, reasonably low alcohol wine. It's really good, okay.

Nachum Segal 11:28

You're pouring away, it seems, can't get time to settle. No problem, I'm happy Rafi were you ever at Garbayudin Seder or not? No, the Grenache this is a Grenache.

Solomon Simon Jacob 11:44

This is the benching wine grenache the benching wine this is made. This is a benching wine. It's made by um danny friedenberg.

Nachum Segal 11:51

Wonderful fly through this satyr, simon, I'll tell you record time.

Solomon Simon Jacob 11:54

I must say we're already at benching this is made by danny friedenberg, who's an incredible winemaker, who who works for tepperberg, so this is a te Again. All of these wines are accessible in the United States or Israel, and I'm only doing Israeli wines because we're here. Okay, l'chaim tovim ushalom.

Nachum Segal 12:13

L'chaim, that was some seder, let me tell you.

Solomon Simon Jacob 12:17

Wait, we're not done.

Nachum Segal 12:18

First time, the matzah's not weighing on me, frankly. Okay, and now the fourth cup. This would be the Nierzer, actually the Hallel wine. This would be what we're sharing with Elio and Avi, am I right? Yes, this would be the wine at Coach Elio's. So we've got to be particular. We're not giving him no grape juice, simon, we're not doing that.

Solomon Simon Jacob 12:36

This is a golden red wine For the number one profit, simon, we're not giving him grape juice.

Nachum Segal 12:42

No, concord, call for that gentleman, he's getting the real stuff.

Solomon Simon Jacob 12:47

Okay, nachum, okay, nachum.

Nachum Segal 12:50

Simon leads the play along. No, no.

Solomon Simon Jacob 12:53

So Jay. The number one kosher wine sommelier. Yes, jay Buchsmann brought up that he felt that he wanted to finish the Seder with a sweetness and a sweet taste in his mouth. So this is a sweet wine, all right, which is perfect for the end, and it really goes with the Afikomen. It's excellent. It will bring back the flavor of the Afikomen. Okay, so this is made by Iakovoria, it's called G and it's for a Gwurtztraminer. Okay, gwurtztraminer.

Nachum Segal 13:27

Yes, gwurtztraminer, gwurtztraminer. One of the first wine words I ever learned from Jay, about 35 years ago.

Solomon Simon Jacob 13:34

Yes, so this is a late harvest skin macerated wine, which means that it's specifically very sweet, but it's also not so sweet that it tastes like you know. It's got a really incredible flavor. It's an extremely well-made wine and it's made by Iacovoria.

Nachum Segal 13:55

Did you pour that one already?

Solomon Simon Jacob 13:56

No, I didn't.

Nachum Segal 13:56

All right, it's time to pour the fourth cup. We made it to the fourth cup, everybody.

Solomon Simon Jacob 14:00

I'm not being rushed or anything, it's okay. Well, it is radio after all. Okay, I know.

Nachum Segal 14:04

All right, see the crazy thing is there are a Shlomo Katz and I'm not leaving town without asking he's got to get back on the air to me. He can come on. Hopefully he has the four o'clock with us. I hope Once I brought up Suda Smishia. There's too much I've got to talk to him about.

Solomon Simon Jacob 14:19

Baruch atah Adonai Eloheinu Malcholam HaTovah HaMeitiv.

Nachum Segal 14:22

Amen, I think Rabbi Eis needs an escort home. Could you call somebody please?

Rav Shlomo Katz 14:31

So why Hatov HaMetiv on this wine?

Nachum Segal 14:35

So why Hatov HaMetiv is the question.

Solomon Simon Jacob 14:38

I actually make Hatov HaMetiv on every wine. Okay, I make it on every wine.

Nachum Segal 14:43

So here, knowing you were doing a series, you figured you'd put it in some wine yes, I would Okay. I think that's an acceptable word.

Solomon Simon Jacob 14:49

Now this is made by Iakovoria, but there's a whole bunch of really good, nice wines. Dalton makes a wine called Anna, which is a Solera method wine, which means it's the barrels are left out in the sun. Castel makes an M, which is a Moscato Specifically. I brought that up for you, nachum.

Nachum Segal 15:07

That's my wine.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:09

And Syrah makes a wine called or, which is also a Gortz, so that's my wine, and Syrah makes a wine called or, which is also a Gortz. So that's the lineup.

Nachum Segal 15:15

And I know where those four corks are going.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:17

Yeah, they're going back in the bottles. No, Syrah has a cork collection in this house.

Nachum Segal 15:21

I do.

Rav Shlomo Katz 15:21

I do A thousand corks.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:22

I do, I do.

Rav Shlomo Katz 15:24

In one of those fancy containers.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:25

Don't suggest that to my wife, because she's been trying to get me.

Family Traditions and Seder Insights

Nachum Segal 15:29

Is there a yes? Yes, it's Erev Pesach. This is the time yes, hey, barry Jacob, this is the time to get rid of that stuff and say you're doing it with Shea Mitzvah to clean up the Pesach.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:37

Put this on.

Nachum Segal 15:38

Simon, thank you for everything.

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:39

No problem, what did you think of this?

Rav Shlomo Katz 15:42

My favorite. What Isn't that great yeah, isn't that crazy yeah of the Bible?

Solomon Simon Jacob 15:46

but that was all the rest of this very big and serious machine.

Nachum Segal 15:52

Trust me, there are plenty of modern synagogues that take it on the custom. You know why, rabbi. If there's an opportunity to have four cups of wine, hey, like we did then. So that means, in all seriousness, shalash should this time on Shav Shabbat, shabbat, shabbat Shabbat.

Nachum Segal 16:47

Is there something about your Seder that I would find intriguing, and I'm sure I'd find all of it. But you got my point. Like you know, thank God, I come from a household where the Seder is, you know, so there are always many highlights. Is there something about the cat's home where there's a part of it that would just grab me?

Rav Shlomo Katz 17:06

The most intriguing part is the one that leads the Seder. My father, seriously, yeah.

Nachum Segal 17:16

My father's coming, so you're the host, but he's the leader, your wife is the host.

Rav Shlomo Katz 17:18

My wife is the host. I sit at the side of the table and my father at the front. My father leads the seder with the nigunim. I grew up with the nusach, I grew up with, you know, all those things that are really becoming my children's, my children's gifts to the uncles. It's so special, it's such a privilege, yeah.

Nachum Segal 17:36

So I'll tell you a short thing and I'll tell you what I learned over the last few years. As you get older, you learn more and more and you realize how little you know. But I'm not referenced to you, in reference to me. First of all, what did I bring from the United States for Seder night? First of all, what did I bring from the United States for Seder night? What did I bring? What did I bring?

Nachum Segal 17:55

that was not for my son my daughter-in-law my granddaughter and, frankly, my wife, because she left so late this week that we have to make sure to take her stuff in advance. So what did I bring for myself? I brought one thing my father of blessed memories, haggadah, because different people in the family obviously, were given different things to utilize His becher and different things the ka'arah. I forget whose house the ka'arah is. It actually might still be ours, but the Haggadah that he would use every year is the one that I'll be using, please God, at this stage. Oh, it's unbelievable.

Nachum Segal 18:35

And you talk about, thank God, having your father at your side and alive and well. I hold it and I'm at the head because my children have such tremendous respect for me which I don't take for granted and I'm at the head of the table holding his Haggadah. Oh, so special and it's just amazing. And one of my sons I think I may have said this to you off the air, but one of my sons said to me did you ever think the first seder you'd ever be at at one of your children would be in Yerushalayim?

Rav Shlomo Katz 19:03

Is that cool? It's so beautiful.

Nachum Segal 19:07

So that's number one. Number two I realized that there's a tremendous emphasis anybody who's listening knows this on Torah study, the night of the Seder. And I get it right, magid is a tremendous portion and even families that don't generally spend time during their meals speaking a lot about Torah are immersed completely in the Torah portion of the Haggadah. But I realized, don't let the Avodah get lost the singing, the spirit, the incredible I mean, I can only imagine, you know what's going on with your family the incredible Hislavus that one feels toward the one above through this experience, right, chayav, adam lir'ot, etatzmo ki'iluhu, yatsam mitrayim, we are obligated to feel that we're experiencing the exodus that night. If you could come up with the right balance of the Torah and Avodah, of what feels, because when my father conducted the Seder, we have a special Seder Nusach, the Haggadah Nusach. This is the Nusach of the Haggadah, so it feels like Daphne, it feels like it. So, yeah, there's plenty of Torah study and we do talk about Hare, eni, kiven, shivim, shana, but that's done with a Nusach, that's done in a Seder Avodah, right? So that's another point I wanted to make.

Nachum Segal 20:30

And finally, and your friend, rabbi Yoshua Fass would say to me now, don't bait me because I don't want to say something I don't want to say, but I'm going to do it anyway. Harav Shlomo Katz, here in your shul, I can tell you that the story that begins with the exodus from Egypt has only one ending, and that is Vehe Veti. That is V'heveti, that is, the Jews of the Diaspora, the Jews who spent hundreds of years in Egypt, eventually getting to Eretz Yisrael, getting the Torah along the way, etc. I would hope you would join me as we get closer and closer to Yitzchag and remind everybody that that is the ultimate goal. As Nahum Siegel says very often, the future of the Jewish people is in the state of Israel.

Rav Shlomo Katz 21:25

You're baiting me. This is not fair.

Nachum Segal 21:29

Who are you going to go up against? The New Yorkers, the LA people? Who are you going to give mustard to? Now? I need to know.

Rav Shlomo Katz 21:34

You know that. I don't know if Rav Judah shared with you when you were with him, he shared it here. He was here at Mosei Shabbos at a beautiful program we had for his new Agadah and he brought up the fifth kos. He speaks a lot about it, which Rav Goran was the one to really point out. He really tried to establish it and he would drink it, which, of course, is a. How do you drink it With the chule we're all holding right now by the fifth cup. There's nothing else. Everything, kula mahuvin, everyone's doing amazing things. It's about the fifth cup more than than ever the Hiveti. So I give us a Baracha to be tuned in to that Lushen, and I can't agree with you more because my father doesn't say the Haggadah, he davens the Haggadah, it's all Nusach, rav Shlomo's father. He used to say he gave over to Yiddishkeit with the Nusach that he that his father used to say Ha'alach ma'anyom.

Nachum Segal 22:32

The same way every single year.

Rav Shlomo Katz 22:35

So I give us all. What you said is like the point of the whole thing. It's the night that you could give over Yiddishkeit to your children more than any other night of the year.

Nachum Segal 22:46

And I do believe, by the way, that if you do Seder night correctly, it enhances the other Yom Tovim of the rest of the year and the Shabbos table of the rest of the year. The children are more receptive to hearing more Torah and to be enlightened by more conversations about the parasha, etc. People don't realize how important Seder night is.

The Fifth Cup and Israel's Future

Rav Shlomo Katz 23:05

It's a fulcrum of the entire. You're right, they say it's called Leil Shimurim. What it means, shimurim, is that whatever happens Saturday night, it gets Shimur, it gets Shamur, it gets guarded and it's basically placed throughout the rest of the year, just like you just said. We bottle it up and we save it for the rest of the year.

Nachum Segal 23:27

Right. The funny part is that I know that when people think of investment, they think of money, and we did point out I think it was Rav Judah who said it during my conversation with him we did point out that people spend more on Pesach than the rest of the Om Tovim combined. So let the investment for the rest of the year in the area of Torah and Avodah be the same way. Let Pesach be as intense as it's supposed to be. And hopefully, as a nation, we'll realize and I mean that as a nation, not just individually all the people making Aliyah, establishing their families here, sending their kids to the army, etc. Etc. But let's collectively, as a nation, appreciate the fact that this is where we belong Again, not just individually and not just communities, but Am Yisrael belongs right here With joy. Now that you're back on the air for the last two minutes, I'm being serious. I hope there's somebody out there who wants to help you build a mitzvah.

Rav Shlomo Katz 24:24

I'm serious, why not By've come a long, long way. There's so much programming here. I'm inviting everyone I think I should know this by heart ShiratDavidcom or org I think it's com there's someone here that's waiting for you to partner with you in the Avodah, at the mikvah we have an amazing L'El Shabbat is, I don't, festival. I don't even know what to call it. Oh, you did say festival earlier. You're right, it's intense, it's real, and that's good, that is the same.

Nachum Segal 24:57

It's a dream. It's a dream. So you're not into my 25-minute Kabbalah Shabbos. You're not into that, not in the least, but you know what?

Rav Shlomo Katz 25:04

Not in the least. But you know what? I'll tell you the truth. It's also not about Dafka making it three hours Right, because it's not three hours here. It is what it is. It's just about Yala Kabbalah. Let's receive Shabbos, for real Kabbalah Shabbos.

Nachum Segal 25:20

Let's receive it. Yeah, it's funny. I was in Yerushalayim yesterday, today meaning where I saw this yesterday, today, meaning where I saw this and one of the programs for Thursday night to attract youth. I saw the poster I don't know if you've seen it is Kabbalat Shabbat and I said to myself that's a good message, because we always talk about Shabbos is coming, etc. But let's start being Mikabel Shabbat as early as possible and in the best way possible.

Rav Shlomo Katz 25:44

That's why Rabbi Shlomo would wish you a good Shabbos on a Wednesday.

Nachum Segal 25:46

Right, yeah, that was the second half of the week. He also wished me Gemara Tov and Chanukah because he felt that the Hasidim, they did that. They said Gemara Tov and Chanukah. Should we do the whole thing now? Should we go through every Rav Shlomo reference we have? We could. Should I tell you every story that I have personal stories with him?

Nachum Segal 26:05

Now that it hit me that you never met him, because you know you're speaking to somebody who had the privilege and I'm not joking around when I say that who had the privilege of. I'll never forget he came once to my brother's school, so people walked from everywhere because he was not in for the omelette. So you know, know how often you get an opportunity. So it's now Chazor, hashatz of Shachar. What is everybody waiting for? Mimkomcha. And there's a guy in the shul who tries to out-Kalbach Kalbach at his own. Mimkomcha. And I'm talking about the real Mimkomcha, if you know what I mean, the early one, and I'm talking about the real Mim Kompra, if you know what I mean, the early one, and I'll never forget it.

Nachum Segal 26:51

By the way, that reminds me of another story I've shared with you, where Karl Bach says to me that he bought a toy guitar. You remember now that I say that he bought a toy guitar for his niece and he was on the plane before takeoff just strumming along this little toy guitar and an old couple walks by and the grandfather says to the grandma, look another one, trying to be like calm off. Isn't that great, it's a compliment. Not only is it a compliment, it's a story that can only happen to him, isn't that fun? God bless you, my brother, and thank you for everything. I've had a lot of wonderful experiences in this type of share and this has been just I'm so glad.

Rav Shlomo Katz 27:32

First of many, first of many when I'm here permanently.

Closing Thoughts and Gratitude

Nachum Segal 27:36

I should visit Efrat on a more regular basis, shouldn't I? First of many yeah do a lot of live shows. I did joke with you. Is there hashkam in this building on Shabbos or not?

Rav Shlomo Katz 27:46

Is there a hashkama? There's nates every day, but Shabbos I want there's nates every morning. So you won't allow a hashkama minion on Shabbos. I want everyone diving together.

Nachum Segal 27:55

Oh, I really have to stop looking at you. I joked with you that I'll be the one to move in to make the 90-minute Hashkama Minyan, and you and I will be at odds forever after that.

Rav Shlomo Katz 28:08

That's fine. Anyway, there's a Shkama down the block. It's a nice Minyan, you see.

Nachum Segal 28:11

You see, we had all the bases covered. You have everything. In Efrat, I move into this beautiful apartment that a friend of ours has and has said to us please use it for Pesach, which is Central Bracha, mariv, five feet in front of the front door, shacharis, downstairs in the parking lot, and a mincha mariv, I just found out, also five feet in front of the door, just much earlier than the 9 pm. Mariv. Isn't it amazing. Israel has everything. My brother wants to write a compendium of every minion in the state of Israel, you know what that would take.

Nachum Segal 28:47

You never see the Jewish link with what's going on in Bergen County. Right, this would be a lot more right? You ever see a Davor Be'ita? Yeah, it would be like that. Anyway, I could do this with you all day. But Simon says we've got to get back to Jerusalem at some point 65 minionim Shuls Shuls.

Solomon Simon Jacob 29:03

How many 65 In Efrat Shuls Shuls?

Nachum Segal 29:06

How many, 65 shuls in Efrat is what we were told. That's unbelievable.

Rav Shlomo Katz 29:11

We were the 45th or 46th when we broke ground and that was before Tamar the other two mountains here took up.

Nachum Segal 29:18

Would you like to hear the Solomon Brothers to wrap up JM&AM? Always here, they are. A big thank you to Shlomo Katz, all of our special guests and the wonderful city of Efrat for hosting us on a Wednesday pre-Pesach at JM in the AM.

Solomon Simon Jacob 29:40

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