036: What If No One Listens? | Starting a Podcast, Part 6

“What if … no one listens?”

This is one of the top questions that keeps people stuck - and it’s a fair question. Does it still matter if only five people listen? Ten? Ten? 

We’ve gotten used to measuring everything by how many people respond to it, so of course, this is where our minds go.

We’re talking about:

• What “no one listening” actually looks like in the early episodes (real numbers, not assumptions)
• Why small numbers don’t mean you’re doing it wrong
• The pressure to see traction quickly (and where that expectation comes from)
• What it looks like to keep showing up before there’s much feedback

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Transcript

​[00:00:00] Becky: Welcome back to Smart Soulful Business with Becky and Laurie. We are in part six of our podcast, Starting a Podcast series, and today is probably one of the biggest things that keeps people stuck before they ever begin. What if nobody listens? So.

Laurie: It's the worst. It's the worst thought.

Becky: We're just... I feel like today, we are gonna name the unconscious fear because a lot of times, we don't even know that's what's holding us back.

So we're gonna throw that out there and see if that resonates [00:01:00] with you, because that was one of our fears, both of our fears, was what if we put all of this time and effort and intentionality in and nobody cares. And so that is a fair question to ask because, of course, we don't want to waste your time. We don't want to waste your time. But, because we've all gotten really used to measuring our value by visible responses from likes, from comments, from download numbers, from growth and traction, so of course our brains are gonna go there. Numbers are really, really helpful data. We want you looking at your numbers.

We want you caring about your data. By the end of this episode, we want you to be thinking a little differently about your early numbers especially about slow growth and just looking at what success actually looks like in the beginning when you're starting a podcast, because that's what the series is about, is starting a [00:02:00] podcast. And we want to make sure to remind you to download today's free Action Guide. Every podcast that we record has a free action guide along with it, a PDF that you can download and go through. Today's is called The First Few Listeners Plan. I love plans. So if you want some step-by-step, download that and make sure to take a few minutes to go through it. Okay, let's jump right in. So what people think nobody listening means. I think people picture podcasting like you launch an episode and just immediately, it gains traction and people are sharing it all over and messaging you and downloading it and emailing you, and you don't get a big response instantly, it feels like you did something wrong. So Laurie, talk a little bit about what you and what people usually imagine podcast [00:03:00] growth should look like.

Laurie: Yeah, I think people think it should look like a, I'm picturing a graph that has an upswing on it. Like, there's just a little, you know, the graph that shows growth, right? It just linearly goes up. Maybe it's small at the beginning, and then it starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger, and that every episode you could see that growth.

Becky: Yes. Yeah, no, I completely agree. We love slow and steady because it feels safe and predictable, and that feels really comfortable.

Laurie: Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Becky: So tell us a little bit about what it actually looks like in those early numbers.

Laurie: Well, it actually is just a little more sporadic, quite honestly. And, and I do wanna say, even though I said they picture a linear growth, I think there's some people who think it's just gonna be rockstar out of the gate, or or some people do a launch. Like, they tell a bunch of people, "Hey, this is starting."

So that wouldn't necessarily expect a linear growth, right? Like, they would, they would see a boost of the first episode, and then honestly, what you would actually see is a huge [00:04:00] drop-off.

Becky: Yeah.

Laurie: So if you do try to do a podcast launch for your first episode, I'm thinking of my friend, out in Virginia. She and her husband and some friends just started a franchise called Everbowl. It's like a, I don't know how to describe it, but it's one of those, yeah, acai bowl type of business, and they did a launch. And she said, "Oh my gosh, there were all these people." Like, it was better than they ever intended or expected, and it's honestly stayed pretty high, but it doesn't stay as high as your launch numbers, right?

So there's a drop-off. So I think the reality is that when you start a podcast, if you do a launch, you're gonna get a few more people, and it's gonna drop off. And, and again, this is saying you're like us, and you're not, I don't know, Brad Pitt or somebody you know, who everybody knows, or... That's probably really dated myself there.

But, you know, you're like us and you're starting a podcast. Maybe you have a small audience. Maybe you have no audience. Actually, the numbers look almost nothing, until at some point your podcast gains some traction, like 5 or 10 or 20. Like, that is more realistic, to understand [00:05:00] about early numbers.

Becky: So talk about how we tend to experience those small numbers, the emotional experience of seeing zero listens or three listens on your podcast. Why do small numbers feel so emotionally loaded?

Laurie: Talk about small. I'm thinking of What About Bob now. Talk about that, you know? Why do small numbers feel so emotionally loaded? You probably saw my face because you're watching me, Becky, on video. No one else saw my face. Like, I just got super reflective and started looking down. I stopped making eye contact with you, Becky, which is very interesting, and a little bit... I mean, I just got deflated thinking about it, which is interesting for me because I expect small oftentimes. Like, I expect that, and I think small numbers feel so emotionally loaded, that was your question, because we wanna be [00:06:00] significant, and I think God put that in us. That, you know, it's a huge need for humans to feel significant.

We wanna make a difference in the world. We wanna know that we matter to other people, and for some reason, we've equated bigger numbers to that. Like, you know, but when I really think about what feels meaningful to me, it's smaller numbers, like sitting with my friend Becky or, you know, having my kids take me out for brunch on Mother's Day, like two, three people. Like, so I think somehow we've equated that outward success with bigger numbers.

Becky: Hmm.

Laurie: But they do feel really loaded. Like, there's an initial feels really loaded. I almost think we need a little brain retraining because when I really think about what makes the biggest difference to me, it's not big numbers. But I think it's that feeling that I failed. Well, if more people don't listen, I failed. I'm doing something wrong, especially in the internet [00:07:00] world.

Becky: Well, and that's an interesting thing that you bring up, the internet world, because I would say that the internet world, social media specifically, has trained us to expect instant feedback.

Laurie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Becky: If you post a reel, you're highlighted for like 10 seconds of somebody's day, and if they don't like it, it's almost like a personal, like they don't like me. It's not like, they didn't like my video, they didn't like me. 

Laurie: Yeah. Yeah.

Becky: Yeah.

Laurie: It's like you're walking into a room of a million people, right? But if I walked into a room of 30 people and 2 people listened to me talk, you know, like we're in a conversation in the corner, I would feel pretty significant. Like, oh, we're having this great conversation, right? Or if I walked into a room to publicly speak and the room had 30 people in it, I'd feel great about 30. But when you walk into a room of a million and only 30 people listen, it's a different emotional twist, isn't it?

Becky: Well, and it's interesting. [00:08:00] It's interesting even just there in your phrasing. We assume because we record one podcast, we're in front of a million people, that we, we even give a million people a chance to like or dislike us?

Laurie: Not.

Right?

Becky: That's not how it works.

Laurie: Yeah. It's not. It's not. It's not. A lot of podcasts start with very, very small numbers in the beginning, and this is normal, especially before you've built consistency or a library of episodes, or you'll hear Becky, Becky and I teach about SEO

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: and traction and that momentum. A lot of podcasts start with very small numbers in the beginning, and I think it's important to name that that is normal, right?

I think we've gotten super disconnected, from what small actually means, though. Like the internet, as Becky just mentioned, it's done something weird to our brains because somehow five sounds like only.

Becky: Mm.

Laurie: You know, five people are human beings. You know what I mean? Like if five people showed up in your living room every [00:09:00] week to hear what you had to say, like let's say you just started some, "I'm just gonna talk in my living room," and five people showed up every week in your living room, and they looked at you, and they listened to you, and they made changes based on what you said, and they followed your, you know, your input and your conversations, and their lives changed.

Like, can you ... I mean.

Becky: I can, so, so as you're talking,

Laurie: mean.

Becky: What you're describing to me is the difference between our Sunday church service. Our church has grown a lot over the last few years. So Sunday church service, you could walk in and out and nobody would recognize you and necessarily, like we hope to build community in church, but it's big. It's big. You could walk in and out and like be completely unseen. But our small group that meets in our house every Sunday night, our small group is where you are known. It's where

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: your words have context and hold a lot

Laurie: Mm-hmm

Becky: of influence and impact. Yeah, that was, that

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: a powerful way to describe the five people.

Laurie: Yeah. Now, if you're listening right now and you're [00:10:00] building a business, I just wanna also make this clear. We are not saying that having one or two people listen to your podcast for 10 years is where you wanna end up. Okay? Like, we're not ... We're talking about early numbers.

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: Becky and I do talk about smart business and growth and using our time wisely and all those kind of things. But I think it's really important to talk about the significance of influencing and impacting just a few lives. I don't know. I just think this is so important. Becky, why do you think numbers feel different online? Like, you just mentioned that if, you know, our, our small group is nine people coming to my house, and it just feels so significant.

Why do you think numbers feel different online? Because if, like, Smart Soulful Business podcast was only getting nine listens every week after six months, we would not feel great about that. You know what I mean? So why do they feel different online? Let's talk about

Becky: I'm gonna

Laurie: that.

Becky: make little comparison and it's gonna break down at some point 'cause all metaphors do. So if I compared the impact of our small group to the [00:11:00] impact of everybody else's small group, if I used numbers as the only way to measure that,

Laurie: Ooh.

Becky: in our church, will tell you I know for a fact that that is not true.

In our church, I know some of the biggest small groups and they feel disconnected and unseen. Like, I know this to be true.

Laurie: Hmm.

Becky: So, I went into our, okay, this is where the metaphor breaks down, so I'll stop it there. But I think online it is really fast and easy to compare ourselves to other people because the numbers are public now.

You can see the views, you can see the likes, you can see the comments,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: it makes it so easy for us to think that's the data that matters. The thumbs up, I'm gonna count how many, that's the data that matters. The reviews that they have on their podcast, that's the data that matters.

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: I just wanna remind you again, it's not the only data that matters. Some of, you know, Laurie and I have mentioned a lot of people who have come forward. A lot of people don't come forward and tell us about the impact they've made, [00:12:00] we've made on their lives until years of following us.

Laurie: Uh-huh. Yeah.

Becky: And it's been years of them listening

Laurie: Sure. Mm-hmm

Becky: and hanging onto our every word, and we had no idea, until years down

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: the road.

Laurie: Mm-hmm. Okay, so I'm gonna give a youth ministry example.

Becky: Oh.

Laurie: I know a lot of our listeners are involved in their churches, and I, was a youth director when I was like 22, 23, you know, in my early 20s. And somebody from that youth group who I never thought even liked me or connected with me reached out to me, not kidding, 20 years later.

Becky: What?

Laurie: Mm-hmm. On Facebook, to say what a difference I made in her life. And I was like, okay, like I mean literally I'm like, "I didn't think you liked me." Like.

Becky: Hmm.

Laurie: I just would've, I would've thought I made no difference, and that was in person. Can you imagine like with an online audience? So what do you think happens when we stop treating small audiences or small numbers like failure, Becky?

Becky: Yeah. Well, and I think this goes back to the Jesus part, the purposeful part of what we're doing. I mean, how [00:13:00] many, how many is enough to matter? That your message... Like, what if you totally transform one person's life, like

Laurie: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Becky: 5 people's lives, 100 people's lives? Like, what, how, how many is enough to matter?

Laurie: Yeah.

Becky: I don't know that you can put a number on that. Each person, one, one life totally transformed by something you had to say, that's huge.

Laurie: Well, think of Jesus. Like, I mean, people talk about Jesus, you know what I mean? Like, okay, Jesus really poured into 12, and everybody left Him in the end, and most of the impact of Jesus' life was after He died.

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: I don't want, I mean, I don't wanna get all sad and morbid about us, but you know what I mean? Like, I mean, but that's the truth of it.

Jesus happily, willfully, joyfully poured into 12 disciples.

Becky: And I think that is what happens when we stop treating small audience like failure. We give it our all, even if it,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: 'Only twelve,' 'only one,' 'only five.' We pour ourselves into it. I think it's

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: Important to remember that there is, [00:14:00] starting your podcast is a different season than a year down the road.

This is different, 

Laurie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah

Becky: This is a very unique season, and having a smaller audience has a lot of benefits to it, and lean into those.

Laurie: Oh, so many. Mm-hmm.

Becky: Like,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: you can connect with your people more personally,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: You can speak more specifically into their struggles. It's such a beautiful time to be building trust in people, to be clarifying your purpose, to be building consistency in, just showing up in these conversations and just remembering that people, people matter, and people who stay matter.

And it's not... The goal isn't just random reach and just throw it in front of as many people as possible. The goal is finding your people, the people that need to hear what you're talking about.

Laurie: I'm gonna flip this to a little bit of self-focus, so go with me for a minute. But our valuing other people is totally about them. Like, it's about valuing human beings. However, I'm gonna flip this to our benefit. [00:15:00] When we value other people, small audiences, we show up different and better. Like, it's just like what you just said, like if we value those small audiences, we show up excited.

If you don't value them, your tone of voice changes, your energy level changes, you're depressed, you're, you know, negative, all this kind of stuff. When we value those small audiences, we show up differently. And speaking of small audiences, on the membership side of things, which we haven't done a series on this yet, but we will, the Smart Social Strategy right now, our membership is very small, and Becky and I are loving it.

Like, I mean, literally we are getting to know people, they're getting to know us, and I just thought about my Small Church Network, 'cause I have another membership. The people that met me five years ago when that membership was small, they feel like and are part of my inner circle. Like, I'm just saying, like,

Becky: Yeah

Laurie: As that membership has grown and it's gotten bigger and smaller and bigger and smaller and gone through seasons and all kinds of stuff, those people who were there first, like that's my tribe and I'm their tribe.

Like, like [00:16:00] there is a, just a cohesiveness and a relationship that was built. So valuing that small reach early on, podcasting, so valuable.

Becky: And I think we forget that podcasts, because we think, "Oh, it's just us showing up and talking to the masses," I think we forget that podcasts are relationship-based media. It's different.

Laurie: Hundred percent. Hundred percent. Mm-hmm.

Becky: So, yeah, it's so different than quick scroll content.

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: Podcasting. The way we show up, and a lot of podcast growth happens because people slowly start recommending your episodes to other people, and word of mouth gets out, and those people that you're impacting start talking about it and sharing about it,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: And that takes time.

That takes time to build.

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: And it takes time to just build the trust, step one, but step two, the growth to, to share the word, that takes time.

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: So that means that part of podcasting is [00:17:00] learning how to keep showing up before there's a lot of that visible feedback, the, the likes, the comments, the reviews.

Laurie: Yeah. I just have to say that also is so character- building.

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: And it leads to our resilience.

Becky: Yes!

Laurie: Showing up before there's a lot of visible feedback, don't look at that as a failure. Like, this is building resistance, resilience, not resistance. This is building resilience and it builds our character.

Like, ugh.

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: Wow, we have so many things to talk about.

Becky: I know, so let's lean into that a little bit more because we kind of talked about, okay, set your expectations. When you start your podcast, there will probably be few numbers, like small, small numbers. Expect that. Let's talk about that awkward middle stage too, where you're starting to put out episodes, and you're trying to stay consistent, and there's still not a lot of that instant feedback coming in, and the temptation during this stage is often to quit, to [00:18:00] stop, to disappear. So can you talk a little bit about just why this stage is so uncomfortable? Why is it so hard to keep going?

Laurie: Like as you talked about that awkward point in the middle, I'm just thinking about junior high school. Like, we've gotta get through junior high school to get to high school and college and beyond. Like, we've gotta get through junior high. Can you imagine if we all quit in junior high?

Becky: That's so funny. That is such a good comparison.

Laurie: But it's so true! 'Cause in junior high, you're showing up, you're trying to figure out who you are.

You're ... I don't know, I changed my hairstyle. I wore blue eyeshadow with no mascara at one point. It looked so ridiculous. You're trying out different ways of showing up, and you're not getting a lot of feedback, positive feedback. Unless you're the popular, you know, football player or whatever. But, I was not, and so, it's, I think it's an uncomfortable stage because we're still growing. We're still figuring out who we are and how we feel about showing up. And honestly, in the business podcasting vibe of things, we're sometimes pivoting. You know, [00:19:00] like Becky and I already pivoted in this baby new brand podcast into some series.

Like, at first we were doing some basic things. We pivoted into some series. And, and so we're changing. Like, we are changing, and I think that's why it's so uncomfortable. I mean, in addition to the whole insecurity thing when nobody's commenting yet, or we're asking for reviews and we've gotten one, you know, in six months or, you know, whatever those feelings would be. It's awkward 'cause we're not getting that reassurance, right? You're not getting that reassurance.

Becky: So what would you say to the person struggling in this awkward, uncomfortable stage, to help

Laurie: Yeah

Becky: them keep going anyways?

Laurie: Just keep going. That's what I would say is keep going. I would say join our Soulful Strategy Group so we tell you to keep going. I mean, I just talked to somebody who was gonna, who said, "I, I started my email list. I was going really strongly. I, I did five in a row and then I stopped." And, and I said, "Well, how many weeks has it been?"

She said, "Three." And I said, "Well, just do another one."

Becky: Mm-hmm.

Laurie: "Well, I have this and this." I said, "Well, what's keeping you from, from doing one for tomorrow?" [00:20:00] "Well, it just feels like..." I said, "Well, just make it a paragraph. Like, just do it." And so I think that support and having those people, like, in your life saying, "Well, just do it anyway.

Like, just do it anyway,"

Becky: And

Laurie: yeah

Becky: like we mentioned this earlier in the podcast, but I think that the, the blaring unconscious thought in the back of our heads is you're doing it wrong. You must

Laurie: Hmm.

Becky: be doing

Laurie: Yeah.

Becky: So why would we

Laurie: Good point. Yeah.

Becky: we're doing something wrong?

Laurie: Yeah. Because we're naming it as normal right now. That's why, 'cause you can change the mindset. And I was gonna talk also, I think, the other thing that helps people keep going is investing in yourself, like some personal growth, like reaching into your mindset stuff, like understanding your beliefs, your values, your life, who you are, your identity.

I think there's a personal growth edge to that. I just saw this, oh, I see it a lot on Facebook. Something goes wrong and everybody's like, "Well, you should blame them." Something goes wrong, and they're like, "Well, talk to the leadership. Obviously, it's their fault." You know? And I'm just like, can [00:21:00] we stop doing that?

Can we? Like, you know, something goes wrong. Is it really wrong or is God still at work? 'Cause I think God's still at work. You know, what's going on? You know, taking those little breaths ahead of time and being around people who are moving forward, who keep going,

Becky: Hmm.

Laurie: Cause that's what keeps us, that's what keeps me going, is I see Becky keep going and, you know,

Becky: Such a good point.

Laurie: We see each other keep going, right? So.

Becky: Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I-

Laurie: I also just wanna say, I think a lot of people stop right before something would've started feeling great, right before things would feel more natural. Like, I mean, I think of times I almost quit, my business or my other business or, you know, different things, even hobbies. You talked to, to me about this about a week ago, Becky. It's that discomfort. What did you say? Discomfort is what makes us grow.

Becky: Yeah, it's what motivates change.

Laurie: Yeah, so when you're feeling really uncomfortable, or you wanna quit, which is a pretty extreme form of uncomfortable, which I feel regularly. I mean, I [00:22:00] don't think that's unusual or out of scope for me. I think it's reframing that saying, oh, I feel uncomfortable because change is required here, and do I wanna change? I wanna change. I'm a kind of person, I wanna change, I wanna grow, I wanna see where things go. And I think this is why, like, our own expectations matter so much here, that we can expect that there's gonna be a dip. We can expect that there's not gonna be a lot of numbers. We can expect that there will be a push through, right?

Becky: Yeah.

Laurie: I think early podcast success is usually, way less dramatic than people think. Like, early podcast success is I'm actually recording consistently. That's your success rate. Early podcast success is I'm getting more comfortable speaking. Early podcast is, success is learning to enjoy it and finding your rhythm. Like, I think these are the things that we should be saying, "Oh, we're successful. We're putting it out weekly. We've gone past six episodes." I can't even tell you. I get so mad when I find podcasts that I love, and I'm like, they did six epis- then they stopped.

Like, I [00:23:00] would've kept going. I can't even tell you how many podcasts are like that, that I'm like, really? Like, quit quitting, everyone. Quit quitting. 'Cause I find you three years later, and there's only six, you know? I think that happens with, like, series on Netflix, too. Do you ever see that? Like, there's a series, a season, I'm like, "I want more, I want more."

So I think early podcast success, framing that it's not dramatic. It's someone said, "This episode helped me." One person. One person said that. Somebody maybe purchased a $5 PDF or a $20 course you had. Like, somebody did something. You recorded consistently. You're more comfortable. Like I said, you found a rhythm.

So Becky, what do you think people should pay attention to early on besides numbers?

Becky: Yeah, I think you've done a great job about reframing the, the point of that season. The point, the purpose of that season is not to get thousands of listeners. The purpose of that starting season is to practice. I say this all the time, but one of my favorite quotes is from Shauna Niequist. She [00:24:00] says, "I just haven't learned that yet." So this season, starting a podcast is allowing yourself space to learn it, and you're gonna be building these habits, and they're gonna feel uncomfortable at first because they're new. And they're gonna feel like I don't have time for that because you didn't create time for that before now, and it's new.

And so you're going to be getting into better rhythms for your life, for your business. Where does it fit? Where does it not fit well? You're gonna be setting up systems like batching to make podcasting more sustainable for you. So yeah,, the purpose is not what we think it is.

Laurie: Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I love everything you just said. I just love it.

Becky: Yeah.

Laurie: It's where we're supposed to be.

Becky: Yeah. So, and yeah, like when we talk about things getting sustainable, those, those early foundations that you lay with systems and rhythms and batching and just going, showing up, but keeping it simple and not overcomplicating it and spending a thousand hours prepping for each podcast, just showing up and having the conversations, that simplicity, that regularity is [00:25:00] so powerful.

So you only focus on those numbers, the outward numbers early on, gonna miss a lot of the other progress that is happening. You know, in weight,

Laurie: Mm-hmm.

Becky: They say, don't just look at the number on the scale. Look at your pant size and how you feel in different areas." That's what we're telling you with podcasts.

Don't just measure the success of your podcast by your listeners, by your reviews, by all of that. Look at this other stuff that we're talking about, the systems, the, the rhythms, um, all of these other things are, are strengths in your podcast. So maybe the better question isn't what if nobody listens?

Maybe it's what if I stopped too soon? know. So today's reminder is really simple. In this episode, small numbers do not mean you're doing something wrong. They do not mean you're failing. Podcasts, most podcasts start small. Most creators feel really awkward in the beginning because they just haven't learned that yet, and a lot of growth happens more slowly than [00:26:00] we expect it to.

Laurie: Yeah. Your next step, or I'll say this step this week, is,, the free Action Guide, the First Few Listeners Plan. It's gonna help you focus on what actually matters, early on. It's a nice reflective sheet. Yeah, just do it.

Becky: Yeah. We encourage you to do it. And if this series is helping podcasting feel more possible for you, that's exactly what we hoped for in recording these, because most people don't need more hype here. They just need realistic support and more realistic expectations and a simpler way to start. And if you want help putting all of the practical step-by-step pieces together, our course, How to Start a Podcast From Tech to Topics, walks you through the setup, the structure, the content, the workflow side of podcasting in a really grounded, manageable way.

So go ahead and check that out. And if you-

Laurie: And I'm sorry, I have to say this.

Becky: Yeah.

Laurie: If you're not on our email list, get on our email list. That link is also in the show notes because every time we release a course, when it is first released, we do a really [00:27:00] good discount to our email list.

Becky: We do.

Laurie: So yeah, so the courses ongoing are about $49 each, at least at this point.

And if you are on our email list, you're gonna get a coupon for a deal every single time we have a new course come out. Sorry to interrupt you, Becky. I just thought about that.

Becky: And if you want more personalized encouragement and support while you build, come join us inside the Soulful Strategy community. The link is also in the show notes. If you've been enjoying this series, we would love for you to leave a quick review on the podcast app that you use most.

It just really helps more people who need it find this show. So next week we're gonna be wrapping up the series with our last episode on podcasting, Stop Waiting To Feel Ready. All right, we'll see you next time. Thanks for joining us. 

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