Experiencing the Presence One on One

Join us Around the Table as we discuss what if the most life-changing move of God doesn’t happen under stage lights but at your kitchen table? We sit down with Brother Ernie Perez to trace a raw, honest path from conference culture to daily discipleship, asking why God opens some eyes and how we can learn to hear Jesus for ourselves. Instead of chasing the next event, we press into the practices that form resilient faith: lingering at the altar, holding our schedules loosely, and guarding sacred moments from distraction.

Our conversation gets practical and personal. We unpack a near-breakthrough worship gathering disrupted by a roaming camera and explore how to honor the presence of God without turning worship into content. We revisit long nights of prayer and “hour of power” meetings, not as nostalgia but as a blueprint for attention in a noisy age. Luke 24 becomes a compass: Jesus opens understanding among disciples who stay close, wait together, and allow their fear to become hunger. That’s the doorway to revelation—nearness, not hype.

We also tackle commercial Christianity and the hidden fragility it can produce. Buildings and programs have their place, but they’re not the mission. Jesus multiplied His life through the three, the twelve, and the seventy; the kingdom still advances one person at a time. You’ll hear about one-on-one discipleship that ripples into eternity, neighbors prayed for by name, and quiet encounters with God at work and at home. Along the way, we offer simple rhythms: listening prayer, Scripture that becomes habit, hospitality that invites the Spirit, and leadership that treats every plan as tentative before an audience of one.

If you’re hungry for a faith that lasts Monday through Saturday, this conversation will meet you where you live. Listen, share with a friend who needs encouragement, and if it resonates, leave a rating and subscribe so more seekers can find their way to an everyday life with Jesus. (Recorded 9.8.2025)

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Transcript

Welcome And Acts 3 Spark

SPEAKER_02 0:19

Thank you so much for coming in with the pieces. Hey, welcome to Simple Discipleship Unfiltered. We're doing something a little different today. We're recording Brother Ernie Perez as he's talking to us, but we were just sitting here around the table and we we had some questions just to kick off what we were just talking about, the simple presentation of the book of Acts, chapter three. And we're talking about where uh God opened their eyes of understanding so that they could be enlightened and that they could believe. And so question popped up to you um is why doesn't God just do that, you know, with everybody? And and then we get on to the topic of talking about um why there are still Jewish people who do not believe that Jesus is the Messiah because they're considered the Orthodox Jews. We have the Messianic Jews that believe in Jesus, uh, but the Orthodox Jews still don't believe Jesus is being the Messiah, and they have all of these qualifications, if you will, that they're looking for in the person who becomes their Messiah. Uh they're still waiting for them. And you brought up some interesting um uh things to talk about. So can you kind of expound on that? Why um God gives revelation to some and not to all, and why doesn't he just open every Jewish person's eyes or even every Muslim's eyes or whomever that doesn't believe in Jesus, why don't he just kind of say, boom, believe, you know, and then and then everybody would believe, right? But but but you said something very pertinent. Would you just kind of expound on that?

SPEAKER_00 2:23

Well, I'm I'm happy to give you my thoughts, but uh I always like to qualify everything with um if you if you're depending upon me as a person or my expertise or my knowledge, um I'm glad for what God has shown me and I'll share it with you. But ultimately, if if I'm doing you any good, then I'm teaching you how to hear the voice of Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:51

Because I'm not gonna live forever. No. So I I need the people that that I'm involved with as in as far as discipleship goes, I need them to learn to hear the voice of Jesus. Then I can go to my grave in peace.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

That's the key, right? They're not dependent upon me.

Hearing Jesus Over Human Experts

SPEAKER_02 3:14

Yeah. That's the key, is that we're we're learning simple discipleship, not just so we can say like like we talked about before, we do a lot of conferences. We do conferences, we do all these different Bible studies, we do all these things, but that doesn't make any heel of beans if you're not evolving into who you're studying and discipline for, you know. I was we're not ever growing into who Jesus is. I mean, we're just sitting and spending a lot of money for nothing, you know.

Revival Culture Vs Daily Presence

SPEAKER_00 3:46

Mama and I were at uh the 50th wedding anniversary for some friends of ours. Some of you people listening might know might have known Charles Kessler or Janelle Kessler, but we were at their home for their 50th wedding anniversary, and I was telling Charles about an experience that I had falling asleep, praying, and how that God woke me up. My wife was asking me, Are you all right, etc.? I sat on the edge of my bed trying not to wake her up. I couldn't stop rocking back and forth and weeping for joy. I don't know how long it took, 35 minutes, 45 minutes, I don't know. I know it was the presence of God. And and I said to him, and he, you know, he's had his own experiences. So I'm speaking to someone that I feel like it's okay. I said, I'm so glad he's not just the God of camp meeting. He's not just the God of revival, he's not just the God of conference, he's the God of my home. I need a God that goes home with me every day.

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:56

Because I I I have a real life. I'm aging, I'm having physical ailments, we have things going on. We need a real Savior who's with us every day. Yeah. Not on Sunday morning. That's great. I love Sunday worship. I really do.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:12

I like midweek Bible study, but I need a Jesus who's with me every day.

SPEAKER_02 5:18

Yeah. I'm just wondering how many revivals are we gonna need before we're revived enough to do whatever. I mean, revival means to waking dead things, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:28

So I mean I I you me and Mama were talking not long ago, uh, and she came to Christ uh uh I don't know, 64, 65, 63, somewhere in there. I did in in 71. But revivals that we were a part of could go six weeks long.

SPEAKER_02 5:51

Yeah, we had that too.

SPEAKER_00 5:52

And they would take a night off on a Friday night or a Saturday night so that they tell you, you the mothers go home, do all your laundry, you go home do all the things. Get your old man out there, make him help you. Yeah, you get the grass done, get everything you need because we're coming here every night. And nobody felt like they were being taxed.

SPEAKER_02 6:15

No, you were excited. When you saw somebody pull up with the little trailer on the back of their car, you knew you were about to have a revival because they done parked.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

There were miracles on the way. Yes. There was divine intervention, there was anticipation, and it's not that we didn't have it before, but certain ministries seem to provoke that more. So we need to be careful and not turn those people into idols because that'll kill that ministry. It will. Because God will not give his glory to another. But um, I can remember, sister, going to church at two o'clock in the afternoon for what we called the hour of power. And then at three o'clock, we had another hour of prayer, the sacrifice of praise. And then we started church at four o'clock. And many a time we didn't leave till sometime between 7 30 and 8 30.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:15

But we never had um we never had a watch the clock mentality, and we never came thinking, well, we're gonna be spiritual and stay forever. No, you're not. You get tired, your kids get grumpy, you know. Those things didn't happen every single service, yeah, but there were times when the Spirit of the Lord moved. Yeah. One night, we didn't leave church till 12:30.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Yeah, that happened to me too, um, several times, you know, as a teenager, we would go, and usually it would be like on a Sunday night when you go like early, like six o'clock, and we wouldn't get home till after midnight, you know, because the spirit would just move and time just flew. I mean, when you're caught up in that, in his presence, and everything, you it doesn't matter what time it is.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

You don't realize that time has gone by. You know, you can be in church. I've been in church hours unending, and it seemed like 15 minutes. Yeah. And I've been there 15 minutes and couldn't wait to get out because it seemed like it's just dragging exactly. So it it has to do, I think, with us being yielded and focused on what God wants. You know, it's okay to have an agenda. We're gonna take up an offering, we're gonna have testimony, we're gonna have but we need to be, whatever our agenda is, it it I'm trying to think of the right word. It needs to be flexible. It's tentative. Yeah. The tentative schedule is. Why? Because there's really an audience of one at church, and that one is Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:03

And we are here to entertain him and lavish love upon him.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

And you know, we did did we talk about this on podcast about that experience we had last Sunday? Did we talk about it on podcast or we just gripe about it together?

SPEAKER_00 9:19

Gripe about it? Yeah. Yeah.

Flexible Agendas And Audience Of One

SPEAKER_02 9:27

Listen, last Sunday we went to revival. They called it uh a revival at the best western. Yeah, at the best western last Sunday, and and uh and I mean they had this these two girls and a and a and a guy doing the praise and worship that were just so anointed. I mean, and they they just began, I mean, it was so simple, but just he was just playing a keyboard and a bunch of instruments. We're in a banquet room at the best western in Forney, Texas, and all of a sudden the spirit just it comes into the place.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

Thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

And I mean, and they had, you know, of course, they were they were doing it live, you know, for YouTube and all that. Um, and I and I think that's fine, you know. Um, but I mean, and Sister R can tell you she was there. There was a moment that came where I knew the glory cloud is about to come out down through this ceiling because the presence of God was just so strong. Because everybody in the room, it's like all of a sudden, and I feel it right this minute, is all of a sudden I felt like the mighty Russian wind is about to come upon this place. And you know, and I'm just waiting for it to just come on down, you know. We're just pulling it down, you know, come on down. And all of a sudden, right when you get to that cusp, this little guy starts running around with a camera to take pictures of people. And all of a sudden, boom, just as just as you know, as it was coming down, it just started going back up. And I was like, no, no, go, don't Diana, and I thought, did I miss it? Yeah, I mean, no, I thought I had missed it. No, and and and all of a sudden he's just in front of everybody's face filming what was going on. And I thought, goose it in, you know. I wanted to yell at it, but it wasn't my place, you know. And I was like, oh, you it folded. It folded, and it was so sad because I was like, Yeah, you told me about that.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

I think it was last week, and I actually made a call to a fella I know. Um, his name is James Fagan. He's good friends with Pastor Myron Jones. But uh he goes around to churches and he they hire him to take pictures. Oh but he has been, I've been in several services where he has been, and you almost forget he's there. Yeah. So after that conversation, I called him and and uh got in touch with him, and I wanted him to explain to me how to avoid this situation. And he started telling me, he said, he learned right away, you can't get and distract people from their worship. He has a like a telephoto lens.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

So he can stand 50 feet away, 75 feet away, but the picture will make it look like he's right there. He said, I love to capture worship, but if they see you trying to take a picture of that, you'll break that spirit of worship. He said, I'm not there to do that. Yeah, I'm there to record what's happening, to capture worship. I'm not there to be a part of the service like that. And um I'm telling you, if I ever have to recommend to someone, a photographer, to come and take pictures at a wedding or you know, I I have friends I know that are good. But if if if it's a revival, it if it's church service, it'd probably be James Fagan because he disappears in the service.

SPEAKER_02 13:08

He should.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

He disappears and he captures he's on a mission to capture worship, and he knows if I get down there and disrupt what they're doing, there's nothing to capture.

SPEAKER_02 13:21

Yeah. That's the thing though. I just think that there's some things that should be considered sacred. Amen. In that, in that you don't you don't need to capture me at the altar because usually if I'm going to the altar, I'm a mess. I'm just I'm gonna be blubbering, my makeup's gonna be running.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

Uh, you know, and I'm so glad I don't have makeup to worry about.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

But I'm saying, if I'm in that intimate moment where I'm coming to the altar, yes, and I'm crying out to God for whatever it is that's going on in my life, or even if we're just down there praying for people that are going through that, that's such a tender, private moment that I don't think needs to be shared on the church page, you know, and and everybody looking at it. And I I just think that we should set some boundaries for ourselves.

SPEAKER_00 14:15

Years ago, uh I went to a service in a great church. I went to a couple of services there. Great church, great worship, great preaching. My son was working on the staff, it's a large church, and um he was uh literally praying his way through some things, some hard, very hard things. And uh mama and I are there in service services, great altar call. He's going to the altar. And I'm not praying with him at that time, but I'm praying for him. I it's one of those times, you know, my son doesn't need us, he needs Jesus. And uh he's seeking God and the pastor decided that uh he didn't want people in the altar anymore. He wanted them to get up and listen to what he had to say.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

And so the ushers were going around asking people, you know, come on, come on, you know. They weren't being rude, but they were getting them up. And I left my pew then.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:14

I left my pew and I got my son didn't see this. He was facing away from me. He was seeking God. I got between him and the usher, who was way too big for me to fool with.

SPEAKER_01 15:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:26

But I and I I just stuck my hand up to him, I said, That's my son, you leave him alone. Yeah. Yeah. And it doesn't mean it doesn't it's not to supersede what the you can be the world's greatest man of God and miss some little thing going on because we have the human will to deal with.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

So that doesn't mean that this pastor is no good or that evangelist is no good. What I'm telling you is there needs to be an awareness in us when God is moving, that we're going to yield to that, because any one of us, I I I'm sure that in my ministry I've missed it. I remember going home thinking, man, I I should have done, I should have prayed for this one, or I should have let the worship go on. We try.

SPEAKER_01 16:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

But be because we're human and we have heartbroken moments, yeah, and we have moments of confusion, this is why we desperately need to be baptized in the Holy Ghost. Yes. Because otherwise, you'll never get convicted over what you missed. What you didn't do or what, you know, or what you did do. There'll be no spirit to say to touch your conscience and tell you. You goof that up.

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

We need to know that.

SPEAKER_01 16:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:50

We were we were at a church, our old church, one time, and I mean the spirit was moving so strong, and I was just, I was just soaking it up. I mean, you know, you don't always get that, you know. So we were having this moment, and people were coming to the altar and and just laying it out. I mean, you tell people, come on to the altar anytime. Well, when they do, you don't give them enough time to do to do anything. But anyway, so it's a you know that's the truth. But the but anyway, we were praying for people and we prayed for this uh lady and she went out in the spirit, and the Lord just said, just pray over her. And so I'm just praying over her while he's doing what he does. It wasn't anything I did, he did, he had an agenda, you know, it's an agenda, and he was working on her, and I could just see him so surgically with his beautiful hands just doing what needed to be done, you know, and I'm just I'm just there just to cover her, you know. And and in the middle of that, all of a sudden uh they turn the lights on, and I'm like, wait a minute, because this person's still laying out at the altar, you know. And I was always taught, as long as there's somebody there getting ministered to, you don't disrupt that, you know. And so I was like, oh no, they turned the lights on. What am I supposed to do? You know, because I was like, well, uh, and I'm just keep on praying. Well, then the pastor says something, and I was like, you know, they're still laying on the floor. Give them just a minute, you know, let the Lord do his. Well, they were just adamant, it's time to to start the preaching. And so I was like, okay, okay, well, I don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_00 18:31

There are, I will say this there are times when I have wanted to get people out of the altar because I felt in my spirit that's not repentance. Yeah, that's not even seeking God. Yeah, they're feeling sorry for themselves. Yeah, there's a difference between feeling sorry for yourself and being repentant. Yeah. And then there are people who come in, it's just gonna happen. Sooner or later, they're attention getters and they want to be seen.

SPEAKER_02 19:00

And it's a different people like that. Yeah, you've seen that. Yeah, we saw that. Yeah, and you saw that.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Yeah, and so when you're not trying to shut down an altar service, what you're doing is saying this spirit is not taking control of this service. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Well, this wasn't one of those occasions.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Right, I get it. This was a different deal.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

On this occasion, it was like, I'm not done because I was like, do I need to pull her up? Yeah, I was like, yeah, when the moments, well, did I wake her up? I mean, I what do I do? And the Lord's like, just let me finish what I'm doing. And I just so I just kept on praying, whether they were doing whatever they were doing, you know. And so he just started preaching. I was like, okay, well, I'm just gonna stay here and pray for her, you know. Uh, and then occasionally, you know, eventually she did get up and go to her seat. Well, then, of course, I got a call about we needed to make sure we do things in decency and in order. And I said, Well, since I'm not the one that did it, I'm not responsible for it. I just prayed for them. The Lord did all that, and apparently that was his timing. Um, so I I can't be responsible for that. But um, the next week they made sure to not even have altar time where we prayed for people.

Sacred Moments, Cameras, And Boundaries

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Well, one of the I have seen people who were crushed the Holy Spirit so much because there there was there was a couple of people, I was uh a member of a church for a while on the staff there. There was a couple of people who came to church to get attention and disrupt services. Yeah, that's just scary. Yeah, and but uh the pastor handled it well. Yeah. But you do have to deal with them.

unknown 20:46

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

You have to deal with that. But just because someone's seeking the Lord doesn't put them in that category.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

No, no. And it was just sad because I just felt like, when is it my agenda? When is it, when is it gonna be what I want, what I want done in this moment? If and I think that that if we could grasp that, how we because like you just taught us, we have to come into the relationship with the Holy Spirit so that we're tender to what he wants us to do. It's not what we want to do. You know, even if we're doing Bible study, if he says, I don't want you to talk about that today, I want you to talk about something else, you know, we'll do that.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

All of our schedules are tentative.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

It should always be.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

We want to do things in decency and order, so there's nothing wrong with you coming Sunday morning, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, we're gonna do the other. We are going to do those things unless God says we're doing something different. Yeah, it's always tentative. Lord, and and I guess because my coming up in Pentecost.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

Yeah, me too.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Uh, when I I I was raised Catholic, I had a Baptist girlfriend at one point. Uh but when I when I came to the to the Pentecostal movement, when I came to the Pentecostal movement, when I received the Holy Ghost, started going uh to spirit-filled services, spirit-led services, I would like to say, and a lot of people talk hard about those old-time Pentecostal preachers because they were hard-lined on some issues. But you know what they were wonderful at was following the leading of the Spirit of God, having a tender heart for the moment, and knowing and I uh our pastor asked this little lady Mary Melindris to come up and sing. She could bear barely carry a tune in a bucket.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

But she could worship, and she wasn't like me, like a really physical worshiper, but her heart poured out, worship, and she would just she stopped the church in their tracks.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

And everybody, this is a moment of holy silence. And we're oh hurry up and get through, Mary. Oh, no, no. We're not doing anything till this sister's done. Yeah, and and being sensitive to to that spirit is is so important. And and I think we we got off from opening our understanding to here. How do we get how did we get that? Well, we're trying to follow the leading of the spirit. And if we're gonna have God open our understanding, it's because we're chasing him. It's because we're trying to build that relationship with him, right? That was said in Luke chapter 24. Luke wrote it down that then the Lord opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures. Where was the thousands of people who followed Jesus before? They weren't there for that. These were the disciples that were hungry in spite of their fear, yeah, in spite of their moment of cowardice and abandoning the Lord at the crucifixion. After the resurrection, they they found themselves together, gathered together in a room where Jesus showed up. Why were they huddled there? Because in the midst of their fear, they knew they still needed each other and they needed something from God.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

Yeah. And I just wondered, do we not have eyes to understand that we could soon face the same type of thing that the disciples did? I mean, it's easy for us to serve Jesus right now, you know what I'm saying? But there, but across the world, but I mean, but it's not, we don't, but we don't have to worry about somebody coming kicking down the door, you know, and taking away our freedom to serve the Lord. And we don't have to, you know, right now we have all I have when I was packing the other day, I had 12 Bibles. I was like, thank God. You know, I love it that I can, I've got all this study Bible got, you know, this one study Bible, this one, I've got Thompson Chain, I got the references, I got the concordances. I was like, I'm so blessed.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

And and I can look up anything on my phone and anything on my computer, and it's not completely censored yet. And so we can do all those things. Yet there's people just alive today that still has to worry about getting their head chopped off, you know, just from And we're not among them. We're not. And so my thing is when you're talking about being so close to and so sensitive to the Holy Spirit that we listen to what he says when he says to do something or not to do something, but also about getting that word down deep inside of us. So if we don't have anything to draw from, we have that, we have what we have consumed.

SPEAKER_00 26:05

It's very sobering to me. I was talking with a pastor friend of mine who pastors in Roy City. We've been friends for better than 50 years, but we were talking about commercial Christianity.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

Yeah.

Altar Time, Order, And Discernment

SPEAKER_00 26:23

You know, I I was telling him, I said, Brandy, I I worry. We're look, there's a great move of God going on in the country. No doubt about it. But in my spirit, there has been for years this thought that if the church in the USA ever hits a wave of persecution, we will not do well.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

No, because who worship?

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Because we're once a week worshipers. We're twice a week worshipers. We give the tithe, we give the offering, the responsibility belongs to the pastor, the youth pastor, the Sunday school director, they're the ones, yeah, they are they're the ones. I'm gonna go to church and make sure that I give, and then I'm there every Sunday, and I'll support all the ministries, and all that is wonderful. But if we do all that and we don't become his disciples, yes, that's we won't stand. We won't, and and so I've you know, I I talked to the Lord about myself for the last seven years, especially about what kind of disciple I am. What kind of disciple am I becoming?

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

And it's been on my heart. I told you I read that book, The Rock, the Road, and the Rabbi. Yeah, and um heard Rabbi Jason Sobel talk about Jesus as a rabbi, and that really touched me. Then then um lately I've been given a well, I bought a book by this guy, uh Mark Comer, I believe is his name, practicing the way. And I'm I'm not too much into clothing Catholic history and monks and all that, but I'm gonna tell you something. This guy has an insight into day-to-day discipleship. And I thought, you know what, I've been looking for this, these I've been looking for uh Rabbi Sobel. I've been looking for this guy, Comer. I've been looking for people who God has been stirring them up about discipleship because I've been concerned. Once I said the church won't do well, I'm a member of the church. Yeah, I have to think, am I gonna do well? Yeah, if this comes, God, how am I gonna do? Yeah, because I can't help anybody if I'm not on the right road. Yes, yes, and and so um I'm I'm very you you hear me talk about it all the time. Uh and now there was that movie out, The Forge, and it's about discipleship, and and I'm hearing it from other places, so it makes me feel like I'm hearing the same thing from God they are. Yeah, so I'm not out here in the wilderness, I'm the only one thinking about this. You know, I think it really goes back to when all these churches were starting these small group things, because it gets church outside of the house and into the home. Yeah, and so that's a that's a form of of building discipleship. And and uh it's it is such a desperate need. I don't care how many churches you have with how many thousands of people, that's great. As many people as you can get to come across, great. But if they don't go home and have a relationship with God. What we've done then is erected a building. You know I guess in in my latter years now I'm I'm seventy four years old. I no longer think that um building programs are that important. They are once you have a large enough group of people, yes, you need a building. God, you need to pray, seek God, you know, for a place for us to meet. But you burden the saints with the expense of these places. And it gets more and more expensive all the time. And it does. So um to those who've been able to do that and they got great congregations, hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus, have them. Yeah. But for myself, what's going on in my spirit is what's more important is are we building relationships with God?

SPEAKER_02 30:38

Yeah, that was that's always been the objective for for this for my personal ministry, for M3 Ministries International, it's never been about building another church. It's it's about building the relationship. It's the discipleship, it's becoming like Christ. And it's like the day may come when you need a building for this ministry.

SPEAKER_00 30:59

But you the the focus, if the focus is on a building, then the focus is not on the souls. Our success is not in how fancy is our building.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah. You know, when you and I talk about our Pentecostal experiences, that's why we talk about it, is because most Pentecostal churches, right, back in the day, they were just very leaning up. I mean, they were just old white buildings or there was a few that were greatly successful. But I'm saying most of the time, not opposed to that. When we were no growing up, it was the simple back in the woods type of you just went into the building, but God showed up there.

SPEAKER_00 31:43

The building was never the object of worship.

Luke 24 And Opened Understanding

SPEAKER_02 31:45

And once you have that type of closeness and experience with God, you want that experience for everybody else. And that that's what we try to share here is if you can just lay aside all the buildings and all the agendas, and us just as Christians truly come into a room and sit there for 10 days. You know, the imagine 120 people in a room for 120 days. I mean for 10 days.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

After a while, it gets a little odiferous.

unknown 32:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

My my point was is if you can get there and get and get into a quiet place together, but if you were in one mind and one and cord was the key.

SPEAKER_00 32:28

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

To just be praising God, to just ask God to come and do whatever you want to do.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Do you remember the Bourbon Street preacher Bob Herringer?

SPEAKER_02 32:37

No.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

I I heard him talk about uh he was out, uh, I believe he was on the West Coast doing some ministry, and he said, He said, I went to this church, it's very awesome building. He said, You know, one of those high steeple few people churches.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

He said, Yeah. He said, Yeah. He said, I got there, and the most exciting move of God they had was the ivy growing on the wall. Oh my gosh. Listen, we, when he's talking about that, we have to remember he could be talking about us. We could become that.

SPEAKER_02 33:10

Yeah, that's what that's what that's where I feel like we could easily be because we have so many churches everywhere, but everybody has their own agenda, and it's like the Holy Spirit rarely gets factored into the whole moment of any of it.

SPEAKER_00 33:29

What is God's agenda for the moment? Lord, help us to understand that because uh whether you bring uh two souls to Christ or two thousand, if you're in God's moment, we we read about Ananias one time. Yeah, who did he pray through? Saul of Tossers, you know. So we don't we don't know if he won a bunch of others. He was not one of the more famous disciples, you know. He was not one of the more disciples.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

But when he stands before Jesus, Paul's gonna be standing behind him, yes. And that's the powerful thing, is it could be just that one moment. But if we're so busy with whatever we feel like needs to happen, in what order it needs to happen, we can miss that moment because we just here's a vision that I had a couple years ago.

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SPEAKER_00 34:22

Yeah, I don't remember where I was right now when I had the vision, so I can't tell you that. But I was sitting at the marriage supper of the Lamb. And to my left uh was the man who was the best man at my wedding and his wife, and he is instrumental in discipling me. There were some other people that could have been there, but he was there because we spent so much time one-on-one, him and I. He was there on my left with his wife, and I looked on my right and I recognized someone that we had been instrumental, me and Mama, and bringing to Christ. And then as I looked out at the table, the table went out into eternity. And the people there lined up, and it dawned on me. You know, Jeff helped me. And I helped this guy who helped this one, who helped this one, who helped this one, and it went all the way out into eternity. And then I I looked and I knew that next to Jeff and Pam was the Lord. And I was feeling like I'm sitting this close to the Lord, I'm so excited. And I I don't know what to do with myself, literally. And yes, it brought me to tears of joy. And uh it dawned on me that people way out there, so you can't see them out in eternity, they feel like they're sitting this close to Jesus. This is their experience. Yeah, yeah, because God is that magnificent, and God is that uh awesome. So I I guess as we're talking, this reminds me of that, and we need to remember. Jesus said, Go ye into all the world, right? And make disciples. All those people were somebody's disciples. And none of them came from a revival, and we're grateful for everyone who comes in at a revival. None of them in my mind came from a conference, they were from one-to-one witnessing, one-to-one discipleship. This is God's plan. Yeah, and we have to believe. You know, I'm I'm me and mom are praying about our neighbors because God has let us. We've met most of our neighbors. If we hadn't prayed with them, we've prayed for them, we make them know. And I'm, you know, I'm telling God, we need some of these people to get the Holy Ghost. We need to, you know, we don't want to be in this neighborhood just here, taking up space, God. So we need wisdom, we need divine intervention, we need knowledge for the moment, a word of knowledge, discernment, because the world is not going to heaven. And God didn't say go into all the world and get as many podcasts and TV shows and conferences as you can.

SPEAKER_03 37:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:34

He said, Go make disciples.

unknown 37:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Yeah. No, and I and here's this thing, we've got to wrap it up because we're already 40 minutes in. Can you believe it? But we but I love that when we talk about stuff that you know, the Holy Spirit just kind of gives us revelation. But the thing is about what we're doing is so that people can understand it's that one-on-one relationship that grows. You know, the more that you get into the word, the more you the word gets into you, and the more the word gets into you, the the better the relationship's gonna be with Jesus because he is the word.

SPEAKER_00 38:13

What is the heartbeat of Jesus Christ on this earth? He had, we don't know how many disciples. Yeah, we know he had a group of 70 sent out by two.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:24

We know he had the 12, the inner circle, and then he had the three. Jesus was all about replicating himself. Discipleship. Lord, help us to come to understand how to live that kind of life. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:42

Because what we've experienced in our time with the Lord in in whatever building that we had it at shouldn't should fail to compare what we have when we're one-on-one with the Lord.

SPEAKER_00 38:54

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 38:56

And that's really what I want people to see is what you what you haven't attained yet. Like we talk about these experiences with glory clouds falling and the kabai glory of God falling upon us, you know, and and glitter from heaven and feathers and whatever you have. You don't have to be in a conference for this to happen. That's the point. But we want people to know that regardless, if you ever get into that setting, your time with the Lord could could produce the same thing. Just as powerful, even just as powerful.

SPEAKER_00 39:30

Some of the greatest things that have happened to me have been when I was alone with God.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

Just that alone.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

I'm thankful for the powerful ministers who have spoken into my life. But some of my greatest experiences have been in my house.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Or I was at the church house by myself. There was nobody there. It was when I was alone on the job. I had the Holy Ghost fall on me so hard on the job. I was working overnight and I was out on what we call the catwalk by myself, and the Spirit of the Lord begin to move in intercessory prayer and then worship. And it was so powerful. And I remember hours later, sitting in the little shack we use for a break room, the other guys saying to me, Um, you uh having a pretty good time out there, weren't you? Then I realized, oh gosh, somebody saw me. They saw me having an apostolic fit, you know. That guy's having a conniption fit. He's spastic.

SPEAKER_02 40:38

He didn't want but you need to have a mandatory drug test. But that's the point. If I could teach anybody anything, and I know you would too, it's not just so much be in the word, yeah, be in the word, be in the word, but have that intimate relationship with Jesus where he invades you. Listen, right where he's at.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Let your prayer become just as much listening as it is petition and praise.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

Yeah. You know, mama likes me to shut up so she can talk to me.

SPEAKER_02 41:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:11

Do you love Jesus? Yeah. Do you want to hear what he has to say? Sometimes you have to shut up. Listen.

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SPEAKER_02 41:18

Yeah. Well, let's end with that. I love that. I love that. Thank y'all for being around the table, Sister Ann, Sister Helen, Sister Audio. Thank you for letting us use your kitchen table for uh for a podcast today. But man, uh let's just end with what we always say. We can go on and on and on, but God has been so good today, hasn't he? Um, so let's go uh go show some love, love, show some love, show some compassion, give mercy, and go be Jesus today.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Amen.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

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