Shadow-Healing, Jailbreaks, And Why AI Can’t Speak In Tongues - Around the Table!!!

With two of personal "Generals in the Faith", Bro. Ernie Perez and Bro. Mark Ellis, we had to pick their brains!!!  You will love this episode! Everybody starts chiming in! We begin to discuss Chapter 5 and then the wheels fall off, and we go into another direction!  What if awe returned to the center of our faith—would power follow? We open Acts 5 and find a community forced into honesty by the shocking story of Ananias and Sapphira. The result isn’t terror but reverence, and that reverence becomes a runway for healing, deliverance, and unshakable boldness. People line the streets hoping Peter’s shadow might fall on the sick. The apostles are jailed, freed by an angel, and sent straight back to teach “the words of this life.” No celebrity, no spectacle—just obedience and presence.

From there, we bridge the first-century streets of Jerusalem to today’s digital noise. We talk about AI as a tool that can translate but cannot transform, and we contrast Babel’s confusion with Pentecost’s unity. You’ll hear vivid testimonies of spontaneous languages used to witness and pray, healings that arrived quietly after simple prayers, and moments of precise words of knowledge that only God could give. Threading through every story is a single theme: the gifts belong to the body because the Giver lives in the body.

We push back on the platform mindset and return to Ephesians: leaders equip saints for the work of their ministry. Grocery aisles, hospital rooms, parking lots, and kitchen tables become mission fields when we carry the name of Jesus with humility and courage. If you’re new to faith or hungry to start again, we share a clear path—honest prayer, repentance that changes how you think, and a readiness to obey where you stand. Expect God to speak in the way you’ll hear Him, to meet you in ordinary spaces, and to glorify the name of Jesus through your life.

If this conversation stirred you, share it with a friend, subscribe for more, and leave a review telling us where you’re seeing awe lead to action. Your story might spark someone else’s faith.  *Recorded on 10/20/2025

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:19

Thank you so much for showing me to the squishy. Simple supple ship and filter. Um, sister dynamic, and I'm joining around the table today. My brother Emily. Good morning.

SPEAKER_01 0:46

Good morning, sister.

Acts 5 Part One Recap

SPEAKER_05 0:48

Brother Mark. Good morning. Sister Anne. Good morning. Sister Audia. Good morning. And Sister Patty. Hey, so we are so happy to have you guys join us today. And we're continuing on our series, a simple presentation of the book of Acts. We started chapter five, and we're about to go into chapter five, part two, um, because we're just really delving into this chapter. And so we're so grateful that you join us today. Um, what's been going on, y'all? Let's just talk about some relevant uh events. Uh Sister Audia just sent uh showed me a message that said that there is a massive worldwide internet outage going on, and we just experienced it because we were trying to get some things to print and some things to work right and it wasn't working right. So we know we're just part of that. So that's good to know that it's not our stuff, it's ATT issue. So let them deal with it, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:45

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:46

So we're grateful to be here. We're grateful to get to be in the Word. I just want you to kind of do, um, if you want to, go ahead and start the the uh video, but give us a little recap of what we've studied in the first part of chapter five. And then if y'all have anything that you want to add about what's going on, um, go ahead and do that, and then we'll go delve into part two. Go ahead.

Fear, Awe, And Miracles In Jerusalem

Apostolic Arrest And Angelic Release

Internet Outage And AI Concerns

SPEAKER_01 2:08

Well, in our last lesson, uh, we opened with Acts chapter 5, verse 1, and uh we right away run into a couple named Ananias and Sapphira. It seems that they had observed the moving of the Spirit in the area of generosity, what is called in the book of Romans the gift of giving. Uh, it was not an apostolic doctrine, it was a response of the church to a need. It was a grassroots move of the Holy Spirit. Now, this giving uh became a provision for the disciples in need, in particular. This move of the Spirit enabled many of the Jews who had become new disciples from around the world. They come at Pentecost. It gave them time to stay in Jerusalem and be discipled. There were thousands that were converted in the first few days. It was just amazing. So they had to have some discipleship and they had to be able to stay there. They were prepared probably, you know, to stay five days, ten days, whatever, for stay for a week of unleavened bread, all the way through sheaf of first fruits. But you would anticipate then they would be going back to the particular country where they lived. But after having understood who the Messiah is, been baptized in Jesus' name, filled with the Holy Ghost, they needed discipleship. Um to be born again is a great thing. But it's just a beginning, it's not the end. It's not the end of all of, oh, we've we've arrived now, and you know, there's nothing else needs to happen in our lives. So they were staying for discipleship. Uh and and then there is a guy uh there named Joseph. If you remember Joseph, the apostles nicknamed him Barnabas. He was a Jew, a Levite from Cyprus, not of the priesthood, but of the tribe of Levi. And Cyprus was thought to be a place of great prosperity, you know, like Beverly Hills for us or the Hamptons. And Barnabas is noted by the apostles for his ability to console and to encourage the believers. Now, we learn that the gift of giving is also powerfully manifested in the life of Barnabas. He sold a piece of his property that he owned, and he brought the prophets or the proceeds to the apostles. And again, this was in Cyprus, so this was extremely expensive property. This had to have a sizable offering, and Cyprus being considered the wealthy province that it was. Now, enter an infamous couple in Acts chapter 5, we named them Ananias and Sapphira. Evidently they joined in the giving, but with devious purposes in their hearts, just hard to imagine. But uh perhaps they also wanted to be greatly esteemed by the apostles, like Barnabas was. But it didn't work out well for them. They decided they wanted to lie about what they were given. And they faced the apostle Peter, and then you know, one by one they came in. Ananias first, and he brought his offering, and and uh Apostle Peter says, Oh, you sold the land for this much? And he said, Oh, yeah, that's it. Then comes the heart of the matter. He said, Well, the money is in your possession, it's your money to do with as you want. The property's yours to do with as you want. Why the lie? Why are you trying to make like this is all the proceeds? You're not lying to me. You're lying to God. And this is a part of apostolic ministry that's really frightening. Ananias, that was all the space for repentance he got, and he fell down graveyard dead. And they carried him out and buried him. So there was something so devious in his heart that judgment fell right there. Something had had it rose up in him that was so wicked that God said, Oh, Peter's through talking and you're not responding. It's over. Now, I don't know that that means he he went to hell, but I do know that means he dropped dead. And then a few uh hours later, his wife came in and she told the same lie. And Peter looked at her and said, Are you mean to tell me you and your husband both sat down together and decided we will lie to the Spirit of God? It's something for us to remember. God knows every thought we have. God sees everything we do. And at the core, I think, of Ananias and Sapphira's decision was two things. The first one is unbelief. They didn't believe God would see, or they didn't believe God would care, they didn't believe it would affect the church adversely, they were just in unbelief. And the next thing that happened was deceit. I am going to show that I'm something that I'm not. And the scripture says that when this happened, after they buried both Ananias and then his wife, Sapphira, a couple hours hours later, it says, Great fear came upon the church. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Hallelujah. Great fear came upon them. But it was respect and awe and wonderment, not terror. But you know, as a result of that, many signs and wonders were wrought among the people, the scripture says. In other words, the believers were more added to the church. There came a great ingathering of souls, and it was so great because of the demonstration of apostolic power. And it goes on to say, Durst no man join himself to them, meaning tried to join up with the apostles. They were being redeemed, but nobody was saying, Hey, Pete, I need to be your disciple so that I can become an apostle. Who wants to talk to somebody and have them drop dead after the conversation? So they weren't saying, Yeah, I want to be like you. I want people to fall over dead right after we have supper. Durst an old man joined themselves to them. There came a healthy respect. The move of God was so powerful that people laid out their friends and relatives on beds and couches on the street so that when Peter walked by, his shadow might pass over them. What were they hoping for? Healing for the manifestation of a miracle. It goes on to tell us in that part of the chapter that the nearby cities of Jerusalem, so we're talking about all the suburbs, all the little places there, a day's walk, maybe, two days' walk. They started coming and bringing their sick and bringing their demon-possessed, and they were healed and delivered, everyone, on the heels of this demonstration of apostolic authority in the form of judgment. I want to tell you, I don't want to have to see that. I think I've seen it a few times, but not that draft drastically. And I want God to have his will in every situation, but honestly, which one of us wants to see that? We we you know, so when we talk about apostolic authority, we talk about the church fathers in history. Uh and there may have been great men, Justin Martyr, Athanasius, I Iranius, Polycarp. Uh so what? The church was built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ being the chief cornerstone. So these these guys, they may have been great men. Won't take that from them. But in my mind, I can't call them the church fathers, because Ephesians chapter 2 already tells us. The church was built on the foundation of the apostles, the prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief cornerstone. And we see how how strong that foundation is, just as we're opening up Acts chapter 5. Now, all that's happening with all these miracles, of course, led to the involvement once again of the high priest along with the Sadducees. He was a Sadducee, and now all the apostles are arrested and put in the common prison. In my imagination, this is like the county jail. But in Acts chapter 5, 19 and 20, we close out that part of the lesson with an angel showing up in prison, and he delivers them all, and the angel instructs them, go back to the temple and keep right on testifying and preaching all these words of life. And you might want to go at a later time, just jot down John 6 and 63 and go back and read that. He sent them back to the scene of the crime. I want you to go back to where you were arrested for preaching this gospel and for healing the sick and casting out demons and take right up where you left off. You know, that might not go so well with some of our modern-day conceptions of what is a minister, what is an apostle, what is a prophet, what is an evangelist or a pastor. It's somebody who receives the call of the Lord and obeys it. It's not a celebrity. It's a servant of God in a particular field of service, but it's a servant of God. And they're told you need to go right back to where you got arrested and thrown in jail. Miraculous deliverance. Now what do we do? Oh, we take a vacation, we get away from all this persecution, not hardly. You go right back and you teach the people, right back where you were, and you teach the people all the words of this life. And so that's how we closed out our last lesson. And so before we pick up with verse 21, uh, Sister Diana was asking about recent things that are happening in your lives that that you feel are uh a point that we need to talk about. Is there something briefly we need to touch? Uh someone have in your life that you'd like to comment on? Because she wants to give you that opportunity, and I want to make sure you have it. Yes, don't everybody stand up at once.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

I was just gonna say that with it just it came into my mind that we have an internet outage worldwide.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Some may be saying that, oh, that's the devil at work. I don't see it that way. I see it as dogs telling us that we don't need the distractions of the internet in our lives right now. We need to be paying attention to his word and his word alone. So many things have the internet to to work with. And and I'm just thinking that that's what he's saying. He's a distraction.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

That's a good observation. Right now, yeah, I heard President Trump say not long ago, we're gonna lead the world in AI, and I heard people talking about AI as though AI is a deity or will become a deity. AI will never reproduce like the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

unknown 14:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

It may be a great tool, but that's all it all it'll be.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

And if they for some unknown reason the scientists decide to try and train that into AI, I foresee that to be very bad.

SPEAKER_01 15:14

Well, I think AI is already here, artificial intelligence, because I think Congress has been faking intelligence for hundreds of years.

SPEAKER_05 15:29

But I think we grew up on those movies, the total recall and and you know, the everything, the the I'll be buck and all that. Um so that we we're already conditioned to that something in the future that could happen. And now to see that that we have the the tools to make that happen and we're doing it to ourselves is what's so crazy. If you have the guy, Elon Musk said on an interview, um, and he's the one who, you know, is the first big person to do AI, if you say, and you're creating it, that this is the worst thing that mankind could do to themselves, quote unquote, yes, then that's scary to me. Well, we're gonna do it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Right. It has the ability to track our lives, everything we do.

unknown 16:20

Everything.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

And and so it it is foolishness in one sense, be and not that it isn't a great discovery and has has great potential, but what have we shown as a human race from the Tower of Babel?

SPEAKER_05 16:36

Exactly.

Babel, Pentecost, And Language

SPEAKER_01 16:36

God said everybody's of one speech, they have this kind of unity, and now that they think this way, this kind of evil, nothing that they have imagined will be restrained from them. Anything they imagine to do, they'll do it. If if God said that, then what will we do with something like AI?

SPEAKER_05 16:58

I think this is the Tower of Babel. This I think this is the Tower of Babel again.

unknown 17:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 17:04

We've gotten back to that time period. You know, there's always cycles and seasons, and we talk about that all the time. And I think mankind has now come back to this cycle where w we think, because in the again, I'm just quoting people who are actually generating and creating the program to say that it's it it does substitute God. Because it's from their perspective, yes, so that's the thing. I think we're back to this cycle where where we're trying to again be greater than God.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

And so you're not Nim Nimrod, yeah, uh, as far as we know, it's possible Nimrod was the first true idolater. He was a mighty hunter before the Lord, meaning he placed himself before God, his reputation. And so who who built the first idol? We're not sure, but it was man-made from wood, from stone, from clay.

SPEAKER_04 18:09

You know, when they started uh at the Tower of Babel, they were all of one speech. And guess what? We're getting right back to one speech. Yes. I in my phone, I have an interpreter. All I have to do is speak, and it'll tell you exactly what I said in your language. And so God send them out and and and diversify their speeches, but we're coming right back to our battle with the same speech.

SPEAKER_05 18:37

Yes, yes. Because you can go, you can talk to Chat GBT or you can talk to Gronk or whatever Gronk or whatever his name is, all of it. You whatever it is, you can say, tell it to tell me this. Tell me that, tell me what the winning lottery numbers are gonna be for Wednesday night. That's actually already happened. You know, somebody won. And somebody won. But here's the thing is I I want us to be so cautious about is because because listen, when you go and you ask something else, something in the future for yourself or for something that's idolatry. It is, and it's witchcraft, it's going into um uh uh old-fashioned uh you know uh sorcery. I mean to go, because you would go psychic, and a psychic tell you what your future is.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

They're using mathematic computations to come up with this. That's why I'm gonna so so they're not saying, God, show me. They're saying I'm gonna get there. Pastor Mark, this reminds me of the fact that at the Tower of Babel, God separated all the world with languages because of their wickedness. But on the day of Pentecost, 17 different nations were brought together with languages that came from heaven. So God dispersed us because of our wickedness by using languages as a judgment. But at Pentecost, could we say that he blessed us with languages? I mean, what did they say?

SPEAKER_07 20:17

Not just blessings, but he united us as his children with the same language, the heavenly language, the God of the language of heaven.

SPEAKER_05 20:28

So what happens? Okay, so so what happens? I think it's perfect that we're talking about this while we're in Acts. Because we have this we have this experience because the prayer language has come, right? The Holy Spirit has come and brought this. Now, if we enter going into AI and we begin to speak to EI, a AI, and it begins to talk back to us whatever we want it to say, doesn't it start to negate our our need and necessity to use our prayer language because we can understand what it says back, right? And so I I feel like this is just not a good place for us to be going.

Testimonies Of Supernatural Languages

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Um I was listening to someone um in his a sermon, and it's somebody that I take very seriously when they when they speak, because I feel they're very anointed. Um, he said that back when God created Adam, they all talked in a prayer language. That was the language they were speaking in. Like a heavenly language, like a heavenly language. And when the Tower of Babel came and God separated them and put them into diverse languages, he took it away. That's really insightful, sister, because well, but he said, when the Holy Spirit came, God gave it back to the believers.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

I like that. I think that's very insightful. And I I think about it in the sense that when the serpent said to Eve, good morning, she didn't pass out and say, Why is the serpent talking to me?

SPEAKER_05 22:20

Right. She didn't live.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

But all of creation then was able to communicate.

SPEAKER_05 22:26

Yeah. You know, people talk about when they have visitations to heaven, whether you believe that or not, but in in their visitation time, they say that things are more telepathic, like you can just understand and you're talking mentally to one another. But they also say, listen, they also say that the the animals and all the trees and the leaves and all of that have a communication as well. So like they all speak. Now we don't know that. We've not ever been, I've not ever been to heaven. I know people personally that have had visitations to heaven, um, but but we don't know it what the language that God has, what it's gonna be like, you know. I mean, like when we when we talk to God ourselves, when we have a conversation, and a lot of people think we're crazy because we have a conversation with God, but I hear him, I don't audibly hear him, but I hear him, like I hear him, you know, in my spirit.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

I don't awareness, it is, an understanding.

SPEAKER_05 23:31

So that's my thing. I when they say those things about when they have a visitation in heaven, then I can understand that because it's an impression that you know that you're there's a communication there. What you got to say, Mom?

SPEAKER_04 23:44

What did Jesus say? If you do not worship me, these rocks, these trees clap their hands.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

So is that why my daddy thought I had rocks in my head?

SPEAKER_05 24:00

So that's a whole nother story for another day, bro.

SPEAKER_04 24:05

So creation was made to worship him, whether you were a rock or whether you were a tree or whether you were a human.

SPEAKER_05 24:13

Yes, yes, I love that.

SPEAKER_01 24:15

I will briefly give you a testimony what happened very young in my walk with God. Jeff, my mentor, Jeff Hartman and I, we were in Vietnam, the two of us, just worshiping, praying, talking to God. Suddenly the Spirit of the Lord fell and we began speaking in tongues. I I don't know who else this has happened to, but it happened to us. We actually had a conversation, and it was prophetic. And in the next two or three days, no, seven days later, seven days later, it all unfolded and came to pass, just like the conversation. And when we got through, we were speaking in tongues. When we got through, I looked at him and he had probably been a Christian a little more than a year, and me less than that. And I said, Jeff, I think I understood everything you said. He said, Yep, I understood you. And then we went back over. I said, What you said to me was, and he said, Yes. And what you said to me was, and I said, Yes. And uh I can't tell you how stunned we were.

SPEAKER_05 25:36

Okay, man.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

It's never happened again, but I doubt that we're the only people it's ever happened to. You know, I have read testimonies uh during the Azusa Street revival and and uh during that time revival was spreading across the country of people going, I believe it was in New Orleans, to the docks and witnessing and God giving them the language of the sailors that were getting off the ship. Whatever was needed to witness to them, Swedish, German, Russian, whatever, they'd start witnessing, and suddenly this language would come out. You you don't know what God is up to. And AI is gonna be wonderful, but it's also gonna be frightening. It's gonna be a great tool, it's gonna help people medically and you know, and in business and all that. But there's gonna be, I think there's gonna be a large element of people who are gonna use it as a deity, as a substitute for God.

SPEAKER_03 26:37

Well, there's already people who are getting married to their AI bot or having I I'm serious. And and it's just crazy.

Healing Stories And Quiet Miracles

SPEAKER_01 26:48

So is is this like the people who say, Mom and dad, I'm a cat? So now I don't have to go to work from now on. I can just stay home and purr. Yeah. They self-identify as a cat or a dog or you know, an adult saying I self-identify as a child, so I don't ever have to leave home. My parents will take care of me till the day I die. You better self-identify some money because I'd like to self-identify as Elon Musk and have his checkbook.

SPEAKER_05 27:26

That's the only thing I would want to do.

SPEAKER_03 27:30

But when you go back to that, when you're talking about people doing that, there was a young man um that was testifying in a church or something that I went to. And he said that he went on a mission trip somewhere down past Mexico or like in Central America and stuff, and it was this kind of little town that he said God called him to to witness to these people, and nobody spoke English. And he said, My Spanish was very, very poor. But he said all of a sudden I was talking to them in Spanish.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

Did you read the book by Kelly Nix that I recommended on apostolic doctrine?

SPEAKER_06 28:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Did you did you read it? The only reason I know about Kelly Nix is because his father, Robert Nix, is the first missionary I ever supported. And in that service, we were in El Paso, uh, and um Brother Hallett was the pastor. Brother Nicks is testifying that this guy comes down from the mountains in Peru and ask him to come and preach at his village. He doesn't speak Spanish, he speaks the Indian language, right? So um he says, Well, how did you hear about us? So the guy's speaking Spanish now. And he tells him, Well, I came down and I heard uh a revival service. I was in it, and I thought it was so powerful, I got one of your Bibles in Spanish and I went back up to my village. He said, But I couldn't read it. So I didn't know how to preach to the people. He said, But we got a bunch of people there ready now to be baptized in Jesus' name because God taught me how to read and speak Spanish using that Bible. And we've got X number of people ready right now. If you'll just come and preach the gospel. You don't know what God's doing around the world too.

SPEAKER_07 29:34

I had uh experience at church I was formerly at. I taught Bible study and at the end of the service, I prayed and I began speaking tongues and didn't think anything about it. Church was over, and a lady came up to me and said, Did you know you were speaking Spanish? I said, No, I don't speak Spanish. I I know a few words and phrase. But no, I and uh I she began to tell me what I was saying. And I had no I had no clue. I was just in the spirit and uh you know allowing him to use me. So it it happens.

SPEAKER_01 30:14

Yeah, God can just supernaturally speak to you when you I need to shut up because I got stories to tell now and testify. Me and Mama, me and Mama heard a fellow from Mexico who spoke no English when he received the Holy Ghost pray in perfect English with no accent at all. Then we heard a young boy, a young Anglo boy, about 12, received the Holy Ghost, and he spoke in perfect Spanish, and we were stunned. And then when we turned around in the back of the church, there was like two rows of migrant workers who had come in and sat down. And here he was preaching away in Spanish, this 12-year-old boy. You know, this is this is what excites me. Please let it excite your heart. God doesn't need you to have a worldwide reputation and write 15 books and be a famous evangelist and be well known and live in a$30 million place. And he doesn't need all that. He just needs you to be obedient. We're we're not famous people. We what we what we don't know is how many millions of times God has done things like this in the lives of the saints of God because they're not going around bragging saying, I am somebody. Make me a celebrity because of what God has done in my life. They're not doing that. They're just loving God and carrying on.

Gifts For Every Believer

SPEAKER_03 31:49

And I can tell you right now, just listening to some of the things I listen to and seeing things. Every one of these pastors, prophets, and stuff is proclaiming that we have entered, re-entered into the timeline of the book of Acts.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

You know, there's only a few names of people. Some of them are only mentioned one. Ananias, who who prayed with the Apostle Paul. We never hear about him again. But look what he started when he prayed for the Apostle Paul. Right? We don't hear a lot about Lydia, but that little group of women was the beginning of a great revival in Philippi. You said women? Don't get excited. I knew you were female when I came here.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

Where this person was talking about in the book of Joel, where he proclaimed that God said, I will pour out my spirit of prophecy on young men and women.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

On my servants and on my handmaidens, and they shall prophesy. So, you know, the the Galatian letter, Paul said, There's uh you need to understand something. There's no such thing as a Greek or a Jew. It's not free nor bond, it's not male nor female, but we're all one in Christ Jesus. So at some point we have to recognize Jesus uses who Jesus uses. And if you don't like that, you just need to get out of the way.

SPEAKER_06 33:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

Because Jesus was going to do his will.

SPEAKER_07 33:34

All the way down to using a donkey.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Oh, why are you gonna talk about me like that in front of these people?

SPEAKER_07 33:41

Balaam was not listening to God.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

So the donkey began to speak. Yes, amen, brother.

SPEAKER_05 33:50

I think that's awesome. I I know we've kind of gone sidetracked on the second part, but we can restart and start that. But let's just can you just kind of give, we're already in this with this speaking. I think it goes right along with with what we're talking about, the book of Acts. So I think we'll just make this a separate uh podcast. But okay. Um you and mom had some experiences, and and you and I know that you've had more experiences with that. Would you just share some more of those things where people would speak in tongues and it would be in that person's language? But what is the most the biggest um event to you that's ever happened where the Holy Spirit just kind of showed himself to be holy? Well, well, he is. I mean, contain him, but I think that that he just I think he sometimes just so supersedes and and goes into what you say, Brother Mark, into the supernatural. Um and I know y'all have done tons of things in all these many years of ministry.

SPEAKER_01 34:51

Where have you seen we haven't done? God has done.

SPEAKER_05 34:55

Yeah, but you've seen it.

SPEAKER_01 34:56

But you but we we've seen some things. When I was thinking of right now, the most powerful example is not speaking in tongues, but it's when uh one of them is with I'm praying with a young man, and he's he come to the altar. He left the altar, he sat down and in the first or second row, and I sat down next to him, and then I got down on my knees next to him and I was praying. And said, God, what do I say to this young man? I don't know what to do. And the Lord spoke to me and said, He's running, and only had those two words. So I looked at him, I stood up and I said, You know what? God tells me you're running. What are you running from? He panics. He jumped probation or he jumped parole.

SPEAKER_05 35:42

Oh my gosh.

Servanthood Over Celebrity

SPEAKER_01 35:44

How did you know that? How did you know that? I just told you. I didn't know. I mean, it that's not something that's happened to me every day, but it's happened on occasion. It's uh our our friend uh Jay Newsom, who uh is in missions for years now. Uh Jay has had the word dropped on him like that, a word of knowledge on several occasions. God dropping in and saying, we should probably get him to come to a podcast. God has done many things through their ministry and glorified the name of Jesus. You know what's powerful in what we do? When the name of Jesus is glorified. Not when we get reputations or get known for being authors, and if you've got the spirit to write a book and it's a blessing, go ahead. But my point is, it's when the name of Jesus is glorified. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:43

One of the things that I can remember is when um a young girl came into our church and on the reservation, and she had her mother with her, and her mother after service asked us if she could talk to us and told us that the young lady uh had AIDS, and that she was pregnant, and the child has been uh said that she also had AIDS. We prayed for her, and she went away, and the baby was born, and then she came back and said, When I had that, when the baby was born, then they tested us again. We have no AIDS. Wow. God can do miraculous things through prayer in Jesus' name.

SPEAKER_01 37:34

But you know what didn't happen? And and it's not that I don't want it to happen this way. In Jerusalem, the streets were filled with people who were getting healed. But what didn't happen is God didn't put us on a platform so that we could become famous because this happened. Instead, he healed this girl, he healed her baby, and they knew their lives were forever changed. And she was panicking because she was telling her boyfriend, I was a virgin until I met you. You're the only one I've ever had sex with. You have to go get tested for AIDS, and he was refusing. And AIDS was so new at that time, and she had fallen on my chest and was weeping, and she soaked my shirt with her tears. And then when I finally got her to talk to me, was standing in the kitchen. Yeah, in the kitchen. And in the back of the church, I finally got her to tell me what the problem was. She said, I have AIDS.

SPEAKER_05 38:32

You just leaked all over my shirt.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

And I was trying not to panic. It was I needed Jesus quickly. I need you now, Jesus. You know, but you know, yeah, there are so many things that have happened. Um I don't I I don't want to sound like we're bragging about us. We've seen it in the lives of other people who you would say they're no-name Christians. Ha, but their names are written in the Lamb's Book of Life. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 39:04

And that's what's so important. Um, you know, and I think we had this conversation just a few days ago, Brother Ernie. Um when we look at the giftings listed, he talks about the gift of knowledge and gift of discernment and on all these giftings. Every one of these is by the same spirit. By the same spirit. Yes. If we have that spirit, all of those giftings are resident within the child of God. Yes, I do. And whenever whatever is needed at that moment in time, God can bring forth. You don't have to feel like, oh, well, I don't have that gift, I can't be used. I need to call somebody that has that gift. No, you've got that gift. You just go ahead and I I have prayed with people in the altar and uh uh and and prayed in the spirit and get done, and they say, How did you know? I didn't know. God knew and used me and put the words in my mouth that they needed to hear. And and you know, it's it's not about me, it's about God.

SPEAKER_06 40:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 40:08

Uh and and we just we always have to remember that. I mean, I I don't consider myself a prophet. Uh, you know, I have prophesied a few times, and and brother Ernie testifies to that on a regular basis, that that I spoke into their life, uh, and and God fulfilled, fulfilled it. It wasn't.

SPEAKER_06 40:32

Yeah.

Everyday Mission Fields

SPEAKER_07 40:32

I I'm not anything. It's not about us being anything, it's about God being the awesome God that He is, and He can use whoever will allow themself to be used. And that's what's so important. Whether it's a simple thing of praying with somebody and allowing being uh just led of the Spirit and allow Him to speak through you and speak to that person so that they know that God is speaking and know that God knows where they're at right at that moment and what their needs are, or whether it's prophesying and speaking into somebody's life, uh a word that will encourage them and uplift them and sustain them, or uh, you know, I was at the hospital praying for a man who'd having a problem with his heart. And I was on my way out of town. I stopped at the hospital and I prayed with him and honestly didn't feel uh a rush of the spirit, didn't feel just you know, power of God in the room. Uh prayed for him, loved on him, walked out, went to the airport, got on a plane, and uh, you know, later that day he is out of the hospital. And and he he he told me the next time we were together, he said, Man, you prayed for me, and immediately just God just began to do something within my body. And you know, it it's not about the feeling, even. Yeah, it doesn't have to be that moment where you just feel all the tingles and all the just veil power of God. God sometimes just does it in a simple, quiet manner. If we will just allow him to move, allow him to use us, allow him to speak to us. It's not about us, it's about him.

SPEAKER_01 42:33

I like that, and I I want to point something out that you said, uh Mark. Those gifts are in everybody. And here's a a big struggle for the church.

SPEAKER_05 42:46

This is it.

SPEAKER_01 42:47

When something happens and a person is used with a word of knowledge, which is a prophetic gift, or a word of wisdom, which is a prophetic gift, or they happen to give a prophecy, then people say, That's a prophet. That's different from the calling of being a prophet. That's something that should work in the lives of Christians in general.

SPEAKER_05 43:09

All Christians.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

What does Mark 16 say? These signs shall follow them that believe, not just the apostles. And we see that unfold first. The first one we see besides the apostles, uh, work in miracles is Philip the evangelist. Well, actually, Stephen. Stephen was not an apostle. Philip was not an apostle. Ananias is only mentioned once, he was not an apostle. So though it began with the apostles first as going out and seeing the demonstration through them, it was never intended to be only them. And and that's how we have made a mistake. We we we do terrible injustice to apostles and prophets, especially, sometimes evangelists also, by making them celebrities. We put a stumbling block before them because we treat them and they should be treated with respect. God says, those that labor in the word, through the apostle Peter, he's or or Paul told Timothy, they're worthy of honor. That's okay. Honor is not worship.

SPEAKER_05 44:26

Right.

SPEAKER_01 44:28

Honor is not making them a celebrity, it's recognizing God is using them in this capacity, and we're just going to be blessed by it.

SPEAKER_05 44:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:38

And and we need apostles more than ever. We need prophets more than ever, so we don't need to put stumbling blocks before them.

SPEAKER_05 44:50

Yeah, and I think that that's one of the greatest stumbling blocks is in our own mindset, because scripture talks about the same spirit that raised Jesus from the dead dwells in each of us.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

Oh, hallelujah.

SPEAKER_05 45:04

And so, how do we like I've we've had this conversation because people say, well, if you need healing, go to somebody who specializes in healing. If you need deliverance, go to somebody who specializes in deliverance. They may have like a special gifting in that, but you carry the same thing inside of you.

SPEAKER_00 45:24

You carry the same spirit.

SPEAKER_05 45:26

And so I'm trying to figure out you didn't get just a little tiny bit of the Holy Spirit when you got saved. You got the Holy Spirit. Right. And all you need to do is connect with him and let him use you. You're saying, Lord, here am I sending me. Well, start with you. Start with you, you're carrying all of who God is inside of you.

Invitation To Seek Jesus

SPEAKER_01 45:45

Peter and Paul and Barnabas and Silas and Philip, we know they worked in the area of great deliverance, but the scripture doesn't say they had a deliverance ministry. And I I don't want to say to someone who that's working in their lives all the time, you don't have a deliverance ministry. I don't give out ministries. I don't do that. But at the same time, I I want you to notice why didn't they do that to themselves? They didn't proclaim that. Instead, they just kept ministering the gospel.

SPEAKER_05 46:19

So when you testify Here's the thing, when they when they were doing that, they were in an area that was completely uh had idolatry. And so they had to do it.

SPEAKER_00 46:31

They needed it.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

That's what I tell the girls. When you go out to do drive-through prayer or prayer, praise and popcorn in the park, whatever you're doing, before you even start it, go take authority over that area. Nobody needs to come and throw any oil around everywhere other than you. That's where God's sending you into that area. You go take over the authority of the day.

SPEAKER_01 46:51

If it helps you to anoint it with oil, if it helps your mindset, but then go ahead and do it.

SPEAKER_05 46:57

But don't make yourself say, well, you can't do it because you're not some big name. No, God's called you into that area, so you go take authority again.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

You you could just pray. You could just pray and pronounce over it. But if it helps your mindset to anoint with oil, many things were dedicated in the tabernacle, anointed with oil. The high priest was anointed with oil to show that he was consecrated to this office.

SPEAKER_06 47:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

And James tells us, hey, anoint him with oil and pray for the sick. It's okay. But if you don't have oil, you have Jesus. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:34

No, what I tell them is that's the name that has the power. That's the name, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 47:39

And that's my point. You're carrying the same thing as all these big-time ministers that are going around um getting paid to do all this stuff. You have the same spirit. My point to them is you have the same authority in the name of Jesus as they do. Yeah. You have, if God's sending you into an area, that's your area. He just sent you there. Take authority over it. Whatever comes, that's he's gonna he is gonna work through you to do it because he wouldn't put you in that place if he wasn't gonna do it. He's not gonna let you get out there and get overrun by some demons because you know, that's not what he does. If you're prepared and you go and subdue, and you say in the name of Jesus, you can do this, you can do that. You gotta have a big name come and do it.

SPEAKER_01 48:26

And if you get persecuted in the process, you know what that means? The prophecy of Jesus Christ is being fulfilled in your life. It's not a sign that you've done something wrong. He said, Whatever they did to me, they're gonna do to you.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Yes, yes, you will be persecuted the same as I have been.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Light affliction.

Repentance And Next Steps

SPEAKER_07 48:49

Mark is about to preach. Pastor Myron preached on that last Sunday. Um, but you know, Jesus himself said the last shall be first, the first shall be last. And and I've been listening to someone uh lately in my devotion that devotion time, and she keeps using the word upside down uh kingdom. Yeah, and and it's just really I've heard that that description before, but it's really um uh I don't know, took on greater significance to me uh here of late because we tend to want the kingdom to be like uh Americanized, you know. Uh I'll just put it that way, where people are elevated and people are lifted up, and the king you read Matthew the fifth chapter, the first twelve uh eleven verses, there what we call the Beatitudes, and it's just totally opposed to that kind of a deal. Amen. And I I think in this let's use the term grassroots Christianity. Let's get back to where it's all of us. And what does Ephesians say when he he he's calling out, you know, some are apostles, some are prophets, some are pastors, teachers, evangelists, and he said, for the perfecting of the saints for the work of what? Their ministry. That's right. Yeah, that's right. And and all of these giftings, the apostles, prophets, etc., what what is their purpose? Their purpose is to uh uh uh equip everybody else to be out ministering every day wherever they're at. And and when we be as Christians begin to understand that our ministry is wherever we are at.

SPEAKER_05 50:46

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 50:46

Grocery store, yes, uh uh uh the AutoZone. Yeah, the the wherever it is, wherever we're at, the restaurant. And and you know, we got to begin to see that as our mission field. And when we do that, and we begin to walk in the spirit in those places and are attuned to the spirit, and the spirit says, Hey, speak to this person, or hey, pray for this person, or or you know, whatever it is this the spirit has to say, if we begin to hear his voice and begin to minister in those places, then we'll begin to see the kind of revival that we're talking about in the book of Acts.

SPEAKER_01 51:28

One of the things that I want to put a nail in right now is for those of you that are aspiring to ministry, promotion is of the Lord. That's what the writer of the Proverbs told us. And also this Mark just hit the nail on the head. Americanized. Listen to me. Ministry is not like pursuing the American dream and moving up the corporate ladder. That's not ministry. Ministry is what God does through its service. Ministry is not a title for a vocation. We've made it that. Ministry is actively serving. If you're a minister, you're a servant. If you're a minister of the gospel, you're a servant. That means every child of God should be equipped, like you were quoting, Mark, from from the letter of the Ephesians. The saints are ministers. But in the hierarchy that we have set up in Americanizing the church or making it like Roman government, then what we have is people moving up in a hierarchy to where suddenly, oh, now they're the anointed ones, and we make them a celebrity. Just seek God to be a servant, and He will cultivate in your life ministry, whether you ever give a title or not, is moot.

SPEAKER_07 53:05

Right. Jesus Himself said, I come not to be served, but to serve. But yet, we all want to be lifted up and have people serving us. Come on now. We want to have our Bible carrier and we want to have our water carrier. Oh Lord have mercy.

SPEAKER_05 53:26

Yes, I want a water carrier.

Closing Encouragement And Giving

SPEAKER_01 53:28

Listen, when you don't know when we minister in India, and when I went to Myanmar, people there, if you're a guest minister, they want to do that. They want to carry your Bible, they want to carry your briefcase, they and they want to carry your water, your purse. And and it's it's so humbling. It's like, no, no, don't don't but they're adamant. This is our culture.

SPEAKER_05 54:01

That's how we serve.

SPEAKER_01 54:02

You know, that's how that's part of our serving. And if you don't, if you don't go along with it, you're insulting them. And if you do go along with it, you feel like a hypocrite. I mean, it's it's it's it's a tough place to be. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 54:19

And it it's okay since they see it as their ministry. Yes, and they do when we Americans want somebody coming alongside to carry my Bible.

SPEAKER_01 54:33

We come back here, and I'm if if I came back here and visited Peace or visited Life Point, you know, or or went to Will's Point and I went into the church and was looking for somebody to carry my Bible, I can tell you for sure the leadership team would let me know. Yeah. Brother, you yeah, come on now. Come on, come on now. Let's let's get down here with Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 54:58

Yeah. This has been a great discussion. We've got to wrap up. But um, and I know we didn't get anything in today except for part two. We'll come back to that. But but here's the thing is that there's a lot of ideas in both testimonies that we do. The gift, the calling the fruit is all Holy Spirit. Yes, it doesn't belong to you at all. He resides in you and uses you, the vessel, how he sees fit, you know. And so therefore, if we have Christ inside of us, we carry that. So let me just I'm gonna I want to get you to do this. I want you to lead if there's no one, if there's someone that's listening today, because we don't know where this is gonna go out.

SPEAKER_06 55:48

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 55:51

But when it comes back on, because they'll fix it, when it comes back on, and this goes out to the many countries that it's going out to and the many cities that it's going out to, what if there's a person wherever they are that doesn't understand when we talk about we have Jesus? What would you say to that person where they are?

SPEAKER_01 56:15

How can they I'd say if you want to experience Jesus Christ, it is in him you experience the true living God, the creator of all that is. God is in Christ reconciling the world into himself. I would say talk to God and anticipate that he will respond to you in one way or another. Telepathically. He might send somebody to testify to you. You might pick it up in a book, a total stranger might say something to you that you're thinking, that's an atheist. Why did they say this thing that makes me think about my prayer? Because God finds one way or another to speak to you and respond to you. Just be genuine. Say, Lord, I need to know you. I need to know that you're the real deal. There's plenty of people who will testify, especially in our day and time, plenty of Muslims who will testify as a result of seeking God. They had a vision of Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

We hear a lot of that.

SPEAKER_01 57:27

And that's happening quite a bit in Muslim worlds right now. So um just be sincere in your search and tell God, I want to know you the way you want to be known. I want to love you the way you want to be loved. That's important.

SPEAKER_05 57:48

It is important.

SPEAKER_01 57:48

My wife has a way she wants to be loved. If I give her a different kind of love, it ain't gonna fly.

SPEAKER_05 57:53

Yeah, because that's her love language.

SPEAKER_04 57:55

Yep.

SPEAKER_05 57:55

Right?

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Right. So so so um God loves us more than we can imagine. God so loved the world that he was in Christ and reconciling the world unto himself, and went to the trouble of the crucifixion and the beating and all that to open the gates of heaven for us. He wants us to be saved more desperately than we ever thought about it. Talk about a radical expression of love. God is in Christ experiencing every one of our weaknesses, every one of our physical pains, all of depression, all of despondency, so that he can robe us and return in his righteousness. So just go ahead and be honest and tell God, I need to know you. I need to know that you're in Christ, and I I want to love you the way you want to be loved. God will show up one way or another. Amen.

SPEAKER_05 59:00

So, how would you lead them in that process? What would be what would the process of that be?

SPEAKER_01 59:04

Uh, I would tell them, if if that's what you're gonna do, you're gonna have to change the way you think.

unknown 59:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:11

Which is just the definition of repentance. Change the way you think. God teach me how to think your way. Don't let me be my own God. I want you to be my God.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

Just repent.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

That's that you know, a fancy word for it is repentance. It's in the Bible. But sometimes the word is not familiar with a lot of you don't hear enough repentance taught. So a lot a lot of people think I'm Christian because I believed, yet they've never repented of their sinful life.

SPEAKER_06 59:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 59:43

So just make up your mind. I want to learn to be the person you want me to be, Jesus. Show me. When you have that kind of faith for repentance, God will show up one way or another. A dream, a vision, an audible voice, telepathic. Through a testimony or from a book you read, God knows how to read you. You just believe He will.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:11

Yeah. So so we encourage you today to just get into that relationship with the Lord. He wants you more than you can ever imagine. He came. The whole reason why he came and died and did what he did is because he desired to be with his creation. He desired a relationship with you. So we're gonna leave. We're gonna end this podcast today. I know it's been a long one, but I hope we got something out of it. Um to go show some love, love, show some compassion, compassion, and give.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:40

Give mercy and go and go be Jesus today.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:45

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