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What does it actually take to keep local radio alive in 2026?

This episode of The Hub with Michael Allen is brought to you by Manpower Eastern Indiana, connecting people with opportunities across Richmond, New Castle, Portland, and surrounding communities.

Rick Duncan, President and General Manager of Duncan Media and longtime G101.3 morning show host, sits down with Michael Allen for a candid conversation about the real business of local radio in Eastern Indiana.

Rick traces his path from a small-town upbringing in Daleville to broadcasting school, then from on-air talent to programming leadership across multiple stations. He opens up about the unexpected turn that led him to ownership, a journey shaped by a long relationship with the late Dave Rogers and grounded by his wife Heather's leadership on the financial and operational side of the business.

They dig into how local stations stay relevant and accessible through streaming and apps while still delivering the hyper-local value people count on: severe weather alerts, road and traffic info, community events, and nonprofit support. Rick also pulls back the curtain on how music programming really works, from chart categories and rotations to the listener misconceptions about what DJs can "just play."

You'll also hear some unforgettable stories from the radio world, plus practical insight for any business owner weighing radio advertising as part of their marketing mix.

If you care about community media, small business marketing, and what keeps hometown stations alive, this one is for you.

Listen to G101.3 and explore all of Duncan Media's Eastern Indiana stations at g1013.com. Find a job or hire local talent at mpeasternindiana.com. Subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review with your favorite local radio memory.

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Welcome And Why Radio Matters

SPEAKER_01

Behind every growing business is a team of great people. This is the Hub Podcast, sponsored by Manpower Eastern Indiana. I'm your host, Michael Allen. Each episode we connect with the people helping build stronger companies and communities across Eastern Indiana. So welcome back to the hub. And uh today's guest is someone many of you have likely heard on the airwaves, as uh president and general manager of Duncan Media Inc., uh, the G1013 morning show host. And I'd say, as far as radio goes, really a staple in our region. Uh, we're joined uh by the one and only Rick Duncan. Welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Appreciate it. Welcome to the hub. I'm so glad that you came. Um, I guess I'm I'm a little nervous uh talking to someone like you who has done this uh uh well for so long.

SPEAKER_00

It's weird being on this side of it. I'll just tell you that right now. So I'm gonna give it a shot, though. Okay. All right. If I start asking you questions before it's over, let me know. That's okay. No one ever cares about what I think, so that's good. I know how you feel, trust me.

SPEAKER_01

So today I I I hope to talk about your journey in the radio, what it takes to run a station, um, and uh why local media still matters more than ever. Uh but before we get started, I had a couple things I want to talk about first. So one of it is I always do with virtually every guest here, is uh ask you um uh what your very first job was. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

So we're talking like first, like you get an actual check job or like a job you get paid for. Okay. First job I ever got paid for was uh I helped my dad paint a house when I was uh 13. Okay. And I got paid uh $50 for that, which honestly was probably child labor. Uh so um, but uh first job I ever got like actual paycheck for, uh let's see. Well, I babysat um right before my senior year in high school, and I got paid by a check that way, but it was from a girl. So and she the woman that my mom worked with paid me, but that didn't count. Uh actual paycheck was radio. Radio was my first one. Yeah, I was like I was in college uh and I was working part-time at the radio station on campus, and I actually got a real live paycheck.

SPEAKER_01

What's where were you where were you going to college? I went to Vincent's University. Okay, and they had a radio. Oh, yeah. They have they have one of the best programs in the country. Yeah. So it was awesome. And then another thing is what is something that people would be like totally surprised to hear about you? About me?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. About something to know about you. Something that's Oh my goodness. Probably my OnlyFans page. They probably no. So uh I would I would say uh thing they're probably most surprised about me. Uh, that's a good question. Um So I'm gonna say, uh, well, I love, I mean, it's not a if you listen on the on the radio, you know I I love comic books and I love like movies and superheroes and all that kind of stuff. Yeah um I guess probably um one of the things about me, I love to cook. I mean, I I I do a lot of the cooking in my house, uh, not all of it, obviously. And I'm not saying I'm great at it, but I love to do it. So yeah, no, that's cool. That's cool.

SPEAKER_01

My son, he he uh he really loves to cook and uh he really gets into it. And uh one of my son, Sam, he he's really into that and uh and definitely didn't pick it up for me. But uh so you talked about going to Vincent's and where did you grow up? Where did you grow up? So I'm from Daleville, Indiana.

SPEAKER_00

Okay, which I don't know if you know where the Daleville is. Well, I've heard it, yeah. I I'm not real good at the geography, that's of course pointing it on the map. Most people don't know where it is. So it's I it's between Muncie and Anderson.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And so I grew up in Daleville. Uh I had 50 in my graduating class, uh, real small school. But when I was a sophomore in high school, a buddy of mine had graduated and he was going to Ball State and he was a chemistry major, but he said, Hey, you should come hang out with me on my radio show sometime. And I was

Finding Broadcasting Through Small Town Life

SPEAKER_00

like, Well, what are you doing on the radio? Like, you're in chemistry. And he's like, Well, yeah, but it's a volunteer thing, and you can just be on the radio. He's like, It's kind of fun. You should go hang out with me. I was like, All right, sure. So I stopped in and I hung out one weekend and I, it was the coolest thing ever. I was like, I love this. And like 10 or 15 minutes into it, I was like, this is absolutely what I want to do. So yeah, so I decided from that point forward. I went back to school to my high school guidance counselor and said, I want to be on radio. She was like, Why? I was like, Because it sounds awesome. Like, I really want to do it. I was like, Okay, well, that yeah, sure. So yeah, I was the guy in high school who always did the announcements if they needed an announcing or they needed somebody to say something on a microphone. That was me.

SPEAKER_01

So did you do any other thing? I mean, like drama or things like that while you're not really. Yeah, no.

SPEAKER_00

Um I can see that somebody could be. Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but so honestly, most radio people don't like getting in front of people, which is a weird sort of you know, paradox. But most radio people don't like standing in front of people and and talking. So that's a kind of an odd thing. So most radio people aren't in like theater and that kind of stuff, which is strange.

SPEAKER_01

But to today in radio, I mean, compared to probably when when you started, now you do have cameras on you in the radio station. You're it, I don't, it's being streamed and they can see you there behind the mic and whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, their cameras are never too far away in the this day and age. Yeah. But for the longest time, like it's tough. You get radio people in front of a camera, and a lot of times there's you can see the sweat, you can see like the nervous kind of like leaning back and forth and like wringing hands.

SPEAKER_01

And so before you decided that you know, radio, you're gonna pursue a career in radio, um, were you already going to Vincent's, or did Vincent's attract you based upon your degree, what you wanted to do as a career?

SPEAKER_00

Good question. So my uh my cousin went to Vincent's and majored in broadcasting.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And so we had gone down there for like a family day, and I saw what he was doing, and he was explaining what kind of stuff they did. And I was like, this seems really awesome. Like this, I this is where I want to go. And I was a it was a strange case for me because you know, most of the time when you're in high school, you have no idea what you want to do. You don't know where you want to go to school, you don't know what you want. And from my sophomore year on, I knew exactly what I wanted to do and where I wanted to go to school and what I wanted to major in and what I wanted to do.

SPEAKER_01

So you mentioned Daleville, and I now I kind of remember because I, you know, I went to Ball State and I was in Muncie from uh 85 to 90, and and uh so now it it kind of rings a bell. But I bet there was lots of uh kids that were you went at your high school that probably went to Ball State because it was so close. Oh, tons, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it was a big a big draw.

SPEAKER_00

Actually, there were nine from my graduating class that went to Vince Ins. Really? Yeah. Which is, you know, considering the class, like half.

SPEAKER_01

So it was like Yeah, no, I mean that's that's a pretty significant uh percentage. So so I I had a question about you know about always being a dream. So really it's you pursued it right away. And

From Program Director To Station Owner

SPEAKER_01

uh kind of tell us uh kind of coming in the present day a little bit, then we'll maybe go backwards a little bit, but kind of tell us the journey that brought you into Duncan Media, Inc., you know, you're um was that kind of a succession uh secession plan with the Mr. Rogers, or did that just kind of come about upon his passing, or was there conversations that kind of took place before that?

SPEAKER_00

Sure. Uh so I came to uh what was Whitewater Broadcasting in 1999, January 4th, 99 was my first day. And I wanted to be a program director. Before that, I had worked in Monticello and I'd worked in Logansport and I worked in Muncie, and I knew I wanted to be uh a program director. And so that was the next step. So I decided uh I had applied and got the job here in Richmond uh for uh just WFMG. It was hits 101.3. Remember that? Yeah. And I got the job and I was super excited, and I was at it all the time, constantly working. And and uh Dave Rogers, who owned the station at the time, uh was like, uh he he kind of tried to temper my expectations at first because then he could see like you know, the wild-eyed enthusiasm I had. Uh and uh I was like, you know, I'm he said, you so you really want this to to to work. I mean, I want us to make money, but you want to be famous. I go, that's not what I want. I just want to, I want to be, I want, I want this to be good. I want to be good radio and I want us to, you know, be part of the community and all that. So uh after a while, we bought another radio station and he was like, I want you to be program director of that. I was like, okay, sure. And then after a while, it was okay, I want you to be program director of these stations we have in Richmond. Okay, did that. And then eventually it was, I want you to be program director over all of our stations that we have with five radio stations. I said, Okay, I can do that. And then after, oh my goodness, it would have been about 12 years ago, uh, he uh invited uh myself and a couple of others out to lunch and said, as much as I'd love to believe I'm going to live forever, uh, I know that's not true. Uh my kids aren't interested in radio. Would you be interested in buying the radio station? And I was like, Okay, well, that's something that's interesting. So the three of us kind of talked it over, and uh he said, Well, it'll be upon my passing. Okay. Again, this is 12 years ago, and Dave passed away last May. So after a while, uh things came up. One of them got a great job opportunity and moved on. Uh, another one, um, things weren't working out. They had a family member move away, and so uh they were no longer at the station. And um Dave kind of pulled me aside and he was like, Well, I'm I'm happy that you're here and you're you know, you're the person because you know you'd been with us the longest of those three. And he was like, and honestly, you know, I I really wanted you to be part of this. And I was like, Well, thank you. I appreciate that. So so yeah, I I never had ownership on my on my uh radio bingo card anywhere. So it just kind of happened.

SPEAKER_01

I mean it kind of kind of makes it simpler to manage things if if it's just you, it's true, isn't it? I mean it does. I mean, not that it I don't know those people were, I'm not asking, but I mean it just it just seems like it would have been, it just makes things easier to manage and decision making, whatever when you can be that person. Although it's always nice to have someone that you can consult with and collaborate, but you still can have that. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Well, my wife Heather um has been amazing. So as soon as she heard I called her and I was like, You're never gonna believe the lunch conversation I just had. She was like, Did you say yes? And I was like, No. She's like, Did you say no? And I go, No, I didn't say I didn't say anything. I'm like, I barely go to the store without you. Like, what do you think? I'm gonna buy five radio stations while I'm talking to you. So um uh she and I uh collaborate on everything. She's uh she's in charge of all the uh of everything at the station that's not involved with on the air. And uh I never would have done it without her, honestly. So she's she's my ultimate collaborator. She's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

That's a good answer and a good good uh shout out to your wife. So uh before I move on from uh Mr. Uh Rogers, is there any I always just I sent me saying Mr. Rogers because I whenever I saw him, I always go, Hey, Mr. Rogers. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, he's just kind of this, you know, kind of older, yeah, just felt like he demanded my respect in that way. Any other thing about him that you want to show you? Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00

So uh Dave Rogers and I had um such a familiar relationship. I mean, we were so we were like family more than we were employer-employee kind of thing. Uh, there were so many times where uh I I loved that man to death. And there were so many other times where I assumed one of us would die at the other one's hand. Like I just I thought it was gonna happen because you know, we there were times where we'd be at each other's throats, and then uh the next day he'd go, Um, hey, you want to go to lunch? Like, sure. So yeah, he was he was amazing. And uh yeah, I I couldn't have loved him more if if he was my own dad. He was great. So he was fantastic.

SPEAKER_01

So

Why Local Radio Beats Pure Streaming

SPEAKER_01

what what does the the business model of local radio kind of look like today?

SPEAKER_00

Today's well, so it's funny because radio has kind of changed over the decades because obviously radio was very much, you know, we're your hometown radio station, we're here, we're here for you, you know, that kind of thing. And then eventually radio kind of got bigger to the point where it was like, now hometown radio is not good enough. We want to be regional, we want to be, you know, the tri-state areas, you know, radio station. We want to be, you know, we the we serve all these counties, we want to do this. And I think over the years, as as radio and entertainment options have expanded, then radio has kind of come around to the idea of, you know what, I think hometown radio is probably the way to go. So like we serve this area. We've we uh G1013 in particular serves nine counties, but we've got five radio stations around the area. So uh G1013 and WKBV are both in Richmond. Right. We've got WZZY, uh Star98.3 in Winchester. Uh, we've got uh KMX, 106.9, in Connorsville, and we've got WIFE, hometown country, in Rushville. So we've got stations in all those areas. So we basically try and serve all those areas now. So radio business model has kind of become less of we're trying to serve, you know, tons and tons of people that may or may not be listening outs, you know, the outskirts too. We're serving the people who listen who are around here in our general footprint, and we try and super serve those people, like not just businesses, but whether it's, you know, we do free public service announcements for uh nonprofit organizations and and we do a lot of live broadcasts just trying to get the word out to help people and things like that. So the business model has changed in the sense that it went from you know getting much larger to, you know, radio lives local. That's you know, the the best opportunity for radio to continue to thrive is is local.

SPEAKER_01

Because it talk about the changing, because now we've got streaming, we've got podcasts like we're doing right now. Uh you got Spotify. Uh I mean, there's probably you can name way more than what I'm naming. I can now. But I mean dealing with all that, that's I guess is that your answer to uh, you know, trying to stay relevant and in the radio today and just addressing the local market.

SPEAKER_00

Well, it's funny because you know when television came out, people said, Well, radio is dead. Why would you want to listen to something when you can see it too? So we're not no one's ever gonna listen to radio again. Well, obviously that didn't happen. And then cable television. Oh, well, now there's more options, why would I listen to radio? And then there were, you know, you had satellite radio. Well, that's the death of local radio. No one's gonna have to worry about that when they can listen to the same station across the entire country. But the thing that local radio, the reason it continues to thrive, um, uh not just survive, but to, you know, thrive as well, is because we're able to do things that Spotify can't do. Like if you're listening to your Spotify playlist, it's not gonna tell you when there's a severe thunderstorm watch going on. No. They're not gonna tell you when there's a wreck on 70. They're not also not gonna be able to tell you, you know, hey, your kid's school is having a cookout this weekend, and don't forget, you know, that kind of thing. There's plenty of local aspects that all the other things that go on that strive for your attention aren't gonna be able to provide you that local radio can. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah. Video killed the radio star. Yeah, look who's not on the air now. Exactly. Yep, MTV, it's gone. Showing they're not showing. Yeah, I mean, I remember in the 70s and 80s, really kind of the cra the craze of watching Friday night videos. Oh, I love Friday night videos. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I mean, we and you'd stay back then, we'd stay up forever to finally see a Michael Jackson video. Oh, you know, because that was his were just the top notch at that time. Oh, yeah. I still remember running into the other room, tell my sister. I know, tell my sister like Michael Jack, not like but yeah, it's it's to your point. I mean, it's the relevancy is still there, and it's just but I'm sure there's just been different tweaks and changes.

SPEAKER_00

Um I mean, because you know, we want to be where everyone else is. That's the thing with radio now, is you have to be where people are, you have to be accessible for for where they are. For you know, for instance, you know, G103 is an app, so you can listen on the G103 app. If you've got Apple CarPlay or uh or uh Android Auto, uh, and you've got the app, it'll pop up as a button on your on your screen. So you can pop it up right there and listen. It makes it you have got to be where people are, you gotta be super accessible. Uh, you know, same with you know, we stream everything, we're available everywhere, kind of, you know, be where

The On Air Switch And Daily Grind

SPEAKER_00

people are.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So I don't think um what you do is easy. And and and what is a hard part of what you do that people probably don't even realize? The the hard part about it.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my goodness. Um I think there's a few that go into it. I mean, so I so just this morning someone was in the studio and we were talking and just having an off-air conversation, and I'm kind of turned away from you know, Mike talking to him, and all that, and I go, okay, like hang on a second. Storm Team 2 forecast for today calling for blah blah blah. You know, so-and-so is on a high 81 today so far 61. Storm team two forecast coming up inside the information update on the way uh next, right after, you know, whatever on G1013. All right, so anyway, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, that's crazy. How like, you know, you're able to like turn it on and turn it off. But like being able to know, like, could people always say, I would be great, I'd be terrible on the radio because I swear too much or whatever. Like, it's but you compartmentalize certain things, you turn it off and turn it on. Like when you walk in the studio, when the mic goes on, a part of your brain just switches over and knows these are the things you talk about, these are the things you don't talk about.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I can't switch that because my wife's talking to me and we're watching TV, and I can't do like it, Michael. Michael, no, I'm just like, I'm into that.

SPEAKER_00

Now, my wife would agree with you that I do the same thing. But um, but no, it's I think the hardest part is um, and as you would understand from doing doing this podcast where you have to learn about your guests and figure out what's going on and and get to the bottom of of uh having a conversation with someone that is not just how's the weather or how are your kids, like an actual intimate conversation. It's difficult to do that on a regular basis and get make it where people want to listen or view in this case. Um and it it does make that part difficult because uh it's it's tough to make things interesting because some people, let's face it, aren't interesting. And it's just so it's like you have to really dig deep to try and find others. Exactly. Yeah. Or I I might resemble that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I I gotta ask you about I'm I'm it's even I'm even more curious now, given you know, your the additional hats that you're wearing these days. Yeah. So what what is a typical day like for you these days? I mean, or or it's probably it's probably not typical.

SPEAKER_00

But I mean Yeah, I mean, no day is typical, unfortunately. I mean, which is great. I actually one of the reasons I love what I do, uh, because no two days are alike. Um, but so I I get up at five. Uh there are days that I I run before work, so I get up at four then, but otherwise I get up at five, uh, get and I go through and do some show prep, go over some things that I want to talk about and how things are gonna go. Uh, get to the radio station, uh, show starts at six. Um, I'm on from uh six to ten. Uh we do the morning show. Uh six to nine is all of our information updates with those twice an hour where we talk news, sports, and weather. And then nine o'clock hour is kind of a regular sort of regular hour that we do on the radio. And then uh after 10, kind of uh check in with my wife up front. She handles all of our traffic and billing and whatnot, along with all everything else. And so I'll check in with her, we'll kind of talk about what's going on, go back to my office, and then starts whether I'm working on production for an upcoming event, or whether I'm uh, you know, I have an interview or I've got a meeting to go to, or uh whatever the case is. So sometimes my day goes from five to four, five to three or four o'clock. Sometimes my day goes five to seven o'clock. It just depends on how much I'm going on. It's long. It's a long day. But I mean again, I I love what I do, so it's not really all that bad. And if I honestly, if there's there have been days where I'm like, yeah, I'm not feeling this, I'm going home.

SPEAKER_01

I I would think that anyone that listens to 101.3 that they would think you're there every day, every week of the year. So how many how many weeks are you off the year? I mean, how much how how many weeks do you give yourself a break from?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I'm never I unless we're on vacation, uh, I don't like I'm terrible about this. I'm I don't like taking off to just do not like to just sit at home. Like I'm I can't do that. I have to have like a project I'm doing, like where I've got to be away from work or we're on vacation. Otherwise, I'm there. Like I'm there all the time. I just that's kind of just my work ethic. I don't know what it is. If I'm not on vacation, I'm at work.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. But I mean, that's admirable, but I would just think that you know you and your wife need some time just to come back. Oh, I completely agree with that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And the thing is now more than ever, I think, as we're kind of getting, you know, kind of starting to get settled in, we're still less than a year into this whole thing. Um, still, you know, we're trying to figure out when we're taking time off and whatever. Like just the other day, uh, was it two weeks ago? I think we went to a um a Tri-Street Radio show in Cincinnati. And so she and I were both gone uh for a day, which you know it was work, but it wasn't home. So it was kind of nice. Kind of nice just being away for a day.

SPEAKER_01

So what do you what do you like to do that just like when you take time off or go away? I mean, do you kind of have a standard thing that you guys like to do or do you kind of mix it up?

SPEAKER_00

Um no, we kind of mix it up. Like we we'll uh we've been on a few cruises. That's kind of fun doing that just because it's something different all the time.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Uh we've gone, let's see, for for her birthday, what when she turned 40, we went to uh I took her, I surprised her, we went to Key West for her birthday. Uh we went to Vegas for my 50th birthday, like things like that. Just I just like going and doing various things. Like it doesn't have to be, you know, some crazy, like, you know, thrill a minute sort of thing. Uh a lot of times I just like going away and just being away.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

How Music Rotation Really Works

SPEAKER_01

Uh what's a misconception that people have about being a DJ on the year?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, there's so many. Um, we get to play whatever we want. Uh, we get to say whatever we want. Um, what we do is not all that hard. Um there's so many times people go, Why don't you just play that? I'm like, well, because we're not playing that song. They're like, why not? Well, because we have a, you know, we have charts that we go by and what we play, and you know, this is our formula that adds, you know, they're like, we should just play it. I'm like, we're not your Spotify. Like, you know, people listen knowing what they're gonna, they kind of expect something, unless we're doing the Free For All Friday, which is a show we do on Fridays from seven to ten, where we will literally play anything as long as it's up tempo and we can find a clean version of it. Like we'll play that on Fridays. That's kind of fun. That's kind of our outside the lines kind of thing. But people think that we can do whatever we want and say whatever we want. And yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, that that leaves me. I don't know when I was gonna ask the question, but you helped me find a spot. So how do you what determines what music you're gonna play? All right.

SPEAKER_00

So each station has its own format. Uh, you know, we've got two classic hits stations. We've got a country station, we've got an ESPN radio station, and then G1013 is uh kind of adult top 40. Right. So uh I handle the music for uh G1013 and WCZY, which is classic hits. And then uh Ted Kramer is our program director in Rushville. He handles uh the two stations down there. So he he handles all their music decisions. But basically we go into with a format idea and we go, okay, here's here are the parameters that we're looking for. Like we're going, like for instance, uh for the uh for G113, we'll say our the top nine songs that are on the the media based 24-7 charts are the top nine songs that we'll play. Uh everything's broken down into categories. So we've got A's, B's, and C's for the most popular songs. Nine, the top nine songs are A's. There are power currents. We play those more often. The next 11 songs are either moving up or down the charts, and those are our Bs. And then brand new songs that are just breaking under the charts. Um, those are C's. So we'll play those. And you know, A's you might hear every three and a half to four hours, B's you might hear every five and a half to six hours, and C's you might hear every eight and a half to nine hours. So how often is that list updated?

SPEAKER_01

Once a week. Just once every Wednesday. So every episode. We're recording this on a Wednesday, so when I leave here, that's what I'm gonna do. Okay, so that's gonna set your rotation for the next week after seven days. Yeah, okay. Um do you have I mean, even doing this for so long, I mean, is there kind of like do you have like a memorable moment, like a kind of a crazy like I've said for years that I should that you know, WKRP and Cincinnati TV show um based on a radio station, I've said for years there should be another one, and I could probably write it because of all the strange things that have happened over the years uh based on radio stuff.

Close Calls And Strange Radio Moments

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Um, like, uh, okay, for instance, this was this is a radio adjacent sort of story. I uh President Clinton was coming to Chicago. My first radio job was in Monticello, Indiana, and we got an invitation to attend because he was gonna be addressing um Indiana media about agriculture. Uh-huh. We ran ag programming. This is perfect. I can do this. I'm 19, and I talked the owner into letting me go up. And he's like, okay, fine. Gives me an old typewriter case to put the equipment in. A typewriter case, mind you, that the lock was busted and wouldn't didn't want to open. So here I go, showing up with an ominous black case in Chicago, and I've got to go through Secret Service protocol. So I walk up and uh I'm trying to get this case open, and I finally, you know, Jimmy the lock open and it slams on the table. Bang! And they all turn around and look at me, and I was like, sorry, sorry about that. Sorry. And guys like, yeah, don't shut this again. Just take your stuff in there. I'm like, okay, fine. I have to sign on the way out. Sign, I put the pin on my inside pocket and walk out. I'm wearing a suit, very f very official. I go to lunch, I come back, I'm walking through the checkpoint for uh Secret Service, and the metal detector goes off. I was like, well, that's weird. I check my pockets and they're all empty. Go back through again, goes off again. That's so strange. I go, oh, you know what? I know what it is. So I pull open my jacket and reach my hand into my jacket to get the pin out from in my pocket, but it looks like I'm reaching for a gun. I would think so. To which the Secret Service, I just hear hands slapping like holster leather. Guys touching their ear, and they're like, Hey doctors, stop! They're screaming and everything. And I was like, oh, no, no. I'm I'm I'm um I'm just gonna there's a pin, the pin in my pocket, and I'm just gonna and uh yeah. So that was uh nearly getting shot by the Secret Service. That was one thing. Um my gosh. I love that story. Yeah. Um so many things that have gone on like on radio on a regular basis. But I'm I love it. I love it's got I love the fact, like I said earlier, this because it's never the same. Yeah, I was gonna I I put this in my notes.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, I I put, which is showing my age in a little bit of ears. Uh like a WKRP moment, you know. I think because whenever I we're both probably thinking of one moment, one maybe uh an episode with the fly the turkey giving. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

You can't forget about so we do a thing with Scoretti Power Technics every every November where we give away turkeys, we give away frozen turkeys, and we call it the G103 Squiredic Power Technics Turkey Drop based on and the commercials, the the promos we run for it sounds like a turkey falling from the sky. So yeah, we're like we always say we're not actually dropping turkeys.

SPEAKER_01

So so go on YouTube, folks, and Google WKRP turkey drop, yes, and you'll understand what we're talking about.

SPEAKER_00

You will not be disappointed. No, no. Um, it's funny. Uh so one here's a uh a radio story for you. So Dave Snow and I were on doing the Free For All Friday, and someone mentioned the comedian Gallagher. Um, they said, Well, Gallagher is dating someone in Richmond. I know who that was. Okay, yeah. I know her. Yeah. And said, He's in town. And we were like, Oh my God, we got to have Gallagher come on the radio. Like, have him come in on the show. We want to have him come in right now. And probably a half hour later, somebody said, the person who's working up front said, There's a man up here who said that you were he wanted you wanted him on the radio. And I said, Does he have a big fuzzy mustache? She goes, he does. And I was like, So Gallagher showed up at the station. We bring him back, and Dave and I were just reminiscing about this the other day. He we bring him back and he comes in. He does not want to do a bit, he doesn't want to do talk comedy, he just wants to be in there and just hang out. He's in there for an hour and a half talking about weird like uh ideas he has for businesses and conspiracy theories, and it's the weirdest, most surreal thing. I'm like, it was so cool that Gallagher was there, and then it got real weird because he wouldn't leave. And the show, the show ended at 10 and he didn't leave until 11:30. He was there, he stayed there for two and a half hours, and we were like, and I finally looked at Dave and I go, Well, this is your show now, so I'm gonna go ahead and go. He's like, Don't you dare live with this guy. So we left and son of a gun, like uh about three and a half hours later, he showed up again at the radio station. Gallagher came back, and I was like, Are we gonna have to lock Gallagher out of the building? Like it was the craziest thing.

SPEAKER_01

Well, he's not coming back now.

SPEAKER_00

He's not, no, no, he has since passed off. May he rest in peace.

SPEAKER_01

May he rest in peace. Shout out to I uh my favorite Gallagher bit really is he did the thing about the words, the English language. Oh, I know, yeah. That was better to me than the smashing than the watermelon. Watermelon smashing it. Yeah, exactly. I thought that was actually outstanding.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly. Yeah, good and food and how they're spelled the same, but pronounced differently.

SPEAKER_01

How terrible the English language is. Yep. Uh so uh kind of a community

Community Events That Keep Stations Local

SPEAKER_01

thing. You've been a master of ceremonies at a ton of things. I have. So uh and uh so I think that's I mean, you serve the community in that way. I've been at so many events where you've done that and you do a wonderful job with that. I always wonder how many people see me and go, oh, this guy again. Yeah, can't they can't they get somebody else? Um so talk a little bit about you know the role that 1013 plays in the local community, and you know, outside of you know, just how you guys are part of the community overall.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, that's one of the things that we try to do in with all of our stations and all of our different markets is is the fact that you know, if there's something going on in the community, we're part of the community, we want to be there, we want to be involved in it. We do a lot of in-kind sponsorship for a lot of events. And um, it's by the way, our sponsorship does not involve me saying, if you want us there, you have to have me. That's not it at all. Usually they they will they will ask, and it's very it's very nice. It's always, it's always great being asked. Um, but yeah, so we're we love being part of the community because I mean, you know, we want to be where listeners are, we want to be involved where they are and do what they do and and uh be at all the things that are worth being at, which, you know, we feel like, you know, there's so many amazing nonprofits in our area. And, you know, they have some great events. I was talking to someone who lived outside of the area, and uh they were saying, you know, we don't do this kind of stuff where I live. Like, in fact, they, you know, stuff in Indianapolis, stuff in uh areas like that, we don't have these kind of like big galas and big gatherings and things like that. It just doesn't happen. There might be one, but like, you know, as we all know here in Wayne County, there's you know, a season of nonprofit events.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think I think Monica Cashline is involved in all of them. Monica Koshline is involved in nearly all of them. Yeah, yeah. She's always now are you coming to this? Are you coming to that?

SPEAKER_00

I didn't know Monica. I actually just got her, I just got an email saying we need to, I need to get her table information because the RSO event is coming up on shameless plug. Yeah, she's she's awesome. Yeah. But I mean, yeah, it's cool because you know, there's so many great events with you know RSO and junior achievement and you know, Reed has kaleidoscope and and all the fantastic events that go on. And it's really cool that you know, we were able to to have these great events and all this entertainment and raise a lot of money for nonprofits. And I know uh, you know, the Reed event just raised over a hundred thousand dollars at the last event, which is amazing. And uh yeah, so I mean G1013 and and all of our station, you know, we just love being part of that. We just love being involved in those things. And when I get asked to to host something, I think it's uh it's it's an honor.

SPEAKER_01

This is I'm not sure where this fits in the flow of what I'm talking about, but I did want to I did want to ask you, are you are you able to talk about you've got some big promotion coming up on the station? I thought I saw on the on the on your website you have Oh yeah, great getaway giveaways coming up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, is that anything you can talk about now, or is that you can't, you gotta wait. No, I can I can uh tell you a little, I can tell you as much as I know right now. Okay. Uh so last year we did it, first time ever, great getaway giveaway. We did it in the summertime, and uh it lasts from uh May through like July, where we get people registered for various things. And then we have a big uh final culmination event. Uh, I believe it's gonna be a red front again this year.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

And we have winners pulled from all the all these live events we do, and then uh we have a giant board, and they just pick a number and we pull out, and behind that number is a prize. Last year we gave away uh an 85-inch TV, we gave away uh a vacation, we gave away uh $500, we gave away like so many, like I think it's uh 50 prizes, I think. And uh they're all worth at least $50. A lot of them worth, you know, a couple thousand dollars. So all donated by businesses, local businesses? Yeah, a lot of things, yeah. A lot of them from local businesses and and uh you know, we've got like amusement park tickets and things like that. So yeah, it's really cool. So yeah, it's it's coming up great getaway giveaway. We'll get started in uh what another like two or three weeks. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I was gonna ask you, I don't kind of talked about it, but you know, is there anything that you've learned about running the business that you didn't expect? I mean, you know, it now that you've been doing it for almost a year, right? Almost a year, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we took over August 1st. Um, so I'd say, you know, some of the things, um, like again, I and I I can't stress this enough. Like I'm I know like creative stuff and and all the the radio side of things, the financial side of things, had it not been for my wife, who has a background in financial stuff, had it not been for her, I would have, I would never would have done this because you have to trust whoever, whomever is in charge of those things and whoever is handling all that. I am not the finance guy. And I would have that made me super nervous at the idea of that. So luckily she handles all that. But um, it's uh the thing that, you know, there's just a lot of moving parts.

The Hidden Costs Of Playing Music

SPEAKER_00

I mean, especially in radio, which here's the thing that a lot of people don't understand about radio is that not only are we, you know, we don't just get the music for free, we've got to pay uh BMI and ASCAP and CSAC and Global Music Rights, and there's all these different companies who own the rights to either the songs or they want to pay the songwriters, the musicians, they want to pay uh all the artists, people who own the music. You know, we also have to pay uh to uh Sound Exchange, which is uh kind of the government's arm and streaming that handles all that. So if you stream, you've got to pay them. And there's a lot of fees that go around for things like that. So that's that's one of the things that, you know, as you catch up on all the ownership thing, you're like, oh wow, there's a lot of money going out for things that you know are essential to the business. Like not just, well, we don't have to do that if we don't want to. I mean, if we won't want to play music, sure, we could we could not pay those, but you know, that's part of that's part of the gig. Sound naive.

SPEAKER_01

I am because I I I love music and uh have a pretty broad uh I mean there's just all kinds of uh music that I like. I'm just curious. I would say John Mayer probably is. John Mayer? Yeah, yeah. I did not expect that answer. I love John Mayer. Yeah, I I I I can listen to about well, I can listen to any album that he's made and listen through the entire oh yes. I mean, that's how good I think he is. Room for Square is still one of my favorite John Mayer albums. Yeah, it's just I I just and he's changed, he changes, and his music has changed a little bit, but I can just probably listen to him forever. I grew up, you know, still probably a big Billy Joel fan. Love Billy Joel.

SPEAKER_00

Just saw him last year in concert.

SPEAKER_01

And uh yeah, we saw him and when is it when he was in Stingus? Yeah, with Sting. Yeah, that was there. Didn't Sting crush it? Oh, he did, yeah. Very impressive. I was like, can you play a little bit longer, Sting? Yeah, because I've seen I had seen Billy Joel twice already. Uh-huh. Me too. And uh so, and I just thought, I mean, I love Billy Joel, but I thought Sting was awesome. Yeah, no, he's fantastic. I could have definitely heard another half hour or more of him. And he looked great. Oh, he did. He looked super vibrant. And uh so uh um I kind of forget where I was going. Oh, you were talking about music and and the things you didn't know. Oh, yeah. I was like, I was talking, you know, Kevin Shook produces this, and I was going, hey, I can we kind of like can I pick a song and I want to play a song, you know, like an intro and maybe and then exit. No, you can't do that. You could if you want to pay for it. Yeah, you don't want to pay for it. Uh-huh. I mean, you know, but uh uh but I yeah, you gotta didn't really realize how much. And I would think I it surprised me a little bit about the radio station because you're helping promote their music where other people or people are gonna I don't know how they buy it. I mean, I don't get maybe if people are listening on Spotify, they get money or uh Apple Music or whatever.

SPEAKER_00

So the more streams they they pay per stream, so they you know the more people stream the song, they they get paid like three cents or whatever. But yeah, so that's that's how it goes along. But yeah, it's funny because people are learning more about music rights now because they'll play a song during their Facebook live video and then they don't understand why the audio is gone later on after they publish it. Well, it's because Facebook said you don't own the rights to that music, yeah, and they'll take it away. Is there a certain amount that you can play before? A very small, very kind of very yeah, very small amount.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. So um I had a couple just just rapid fire questions for you. But I went one of me answered. I said, what time the day do you get up? Four or five. Four or five, depending on the schedule. So and you asked me this question. I was gonna ask you. So what's your favorite artist or band? Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00

Um I've got several. I'll just nomin name a few real quick. Uh Michael Jackson, Van Halen, Hughie Lewis in the news, um, Bruno Mars. Uh, those are probably my top four right now. Yeah. Good variety there. So, what song you just never get tired of listening to? Oh my goodness. Um, I never get tired of Billy Jean. Yeah, from Michael Jackson. Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome. It's one of those songs you could just listen to anytime.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I've said for a long time you could put Michael Jackson music on nearly anywhere, and people would love it. Like you're safe with that.

SPEAKER_01

So is that a song that instantly takes you back to a certain part of time?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, uh, I listened to uh yeah, watching that video and then hearing Thriller for the first time. Yeah. I was just a little kid. It was really the first kind of music that I remember listening to, going, wow, this is awesome. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I'm I'm are you gonna see the movie? Oh, yeah, oh, for sure. Yeah, I'm really interested in how his life is chronicled in that movie. And I'm not sure who's behind the producing of it.

SPEAKER_00

And

Favorites, Nostalgia, And Promotions That Work

SPEAKER_00

if well, his nephew is playing Michael. His nephew, uh uh Jafar Jackson is actually Michael. So that's I everything says it's gonna be great, but I don't know, we'll see.

SPEAKER_01

Because I felt like the um when they did the the movie Freddie Mercury on Queen, I think. I thought that was done super well. I agree. It just focused on the on the band, Freddie Mercury and the music, and and and it kind of left out stuff that didn't need to be in there.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you saw some of the some of the friction the band had and things like that, and the things that make it interesting. Yeah. But I I thought hopefully this Michael Jackson movie may be done along that line. My understanding is the Michael Jackson movie is gonna be uh they originally had a whole thing, including the allegations and whatnot, but apparently they've broken it into two pieces. So if the first part goes really well, there may be a sequel that is the end of that first half of the movie. So that's what I that's what I hear anyway. So I guess we'll have to see. We will.

SPEAKER_01

Is it is it out yet? No, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's coming out uh yeah, I want to say later this month or early next month.

SPEAKER_01

So, what's the best promotion you've ever done? Oh my god. You just thought it just you just it just exceeded your expectations. It was like, oh my, this is so awesome. It went so great.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, we gave away a car. Yeah, like a new brand new car with Wetzel. We did that uh several years ago. Um and we did a a brand new car, and that was one of those things where where we were people were reaching out to us, like sponsors reaching out, going, How do we jump in on this? Like it was great. Like the the response was amazing. So yeah, that's probably a brand new car. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So it's the worst one you ever did. Oh my god. It was one that just like you had so many expectations. It was this is gonna be so great.

SPEAKER_00

And you did it. It's like oh, okay. I was in Logansport. We were doing uh Woodstock uh 95 or 96. What was it? What's one of those Woodstocks back then um was going on, and we did a Woodstock promotion and we've been hyping it up and how it's gonna be this huge thing at the park, and everyone come out and come out on your Woodstock stuff, and it's gonna be amazing. And we get out there and there's like 12 people, and we've planned for like hundreds of people, and there's like 12 people out there, and half of them were just hippies that they didn't even know we were doing, and it was it was really it was really weird. And so we're trying to do this this live, and the person who was on the air at the time was brand new. I just worked at the station, but she was brand new and never never been on the air before, and she was awful, and so she's terrible. And our program director is out there and he's trying to talk her through what she needs to be doing and not doing, and yeah, the promotion was a bomb. It was it was awful.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, the road to hell is paved with good intentions, it certainly is. Yeah, I just like I mean, we've we've done certain events, recruiting moments, and job fairs, whatever, and there's a few like we felt like we did everything right and then but nobody came. Right. I mean, nobody was there. I mean, it's like you it And the the client we were recruiting for, um, you know, wanted really needed people badly and said, Hey, let's do this, and then like nobody chose.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And that's the hard part is you just don't know. Like, you know, you can have the the best promotion, the best ideas, everything executed perfectly, but it really comes down to whether people are interested in it or not. And it comes down to what else is going on that weekend, or you know, you have it on a day when there's also three other events going on, so nobody shows up.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, we've had we've had the radio station come out and do a remote and all this stuff, but just like, man, it's just we do it a little bit differently now as we we partner with indeed, because they do these things called a hiring event. Oh, and people run it about a week or so ahead of time, and people actually register to come. So you leading up to that day, yeah, you kind of know how many people are coming and you're gonna plan. Now, you don't have a hundred percent. I mean, a hundred people may register only 50 show, but you kind of yeah, you have a ballpark idea. And indeed, it says you need to anticipate only a certain percent coming. But that's been a lot more successful in those kind of events today. Um what's your morning beverage? What do you drink in a morning?

SPEAKER_00

Uh I'm gonna be able to do that. Okay, here's something about me. This let's circle back to the first question you asked, which or the second question, which is uh something people don't don't expect about me. Uh I don't drink coffee. I don't, in fact, I don't drink really, I mean, I don't like have caffeine at all. Caffeine has no effect on me, which I found out over the years, which is weird. Uh, I could drink caffeine and then go lay down and take a nap. Um, so uh usually it's just water. Just water, so nothing too overly exciting. No, exactly.

SPEAKER_01

So what's uh what's next for 1013, Duncan Media, anything big coming up? Or you're just still trying to get kind of settled in the ownership.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, we're kind of just settling in. I mean, the big thing is uh, you know, we've uh we've we've tried to move forward with everything that we're doing. Uh I want to kind of move the needle where we're at radio station-wise on all of our markets. I feel like some of our stations uh have uh maybe not gotten the attention that they should have over the years. And so I uh with due to no one's fault on their own. I mean, um things just happen. But uh I want to try and you know, spruce things up, you know, do a little, you know, polish on where things need to be and fix things up as we go along. But yeah, you know, and some of the uh some stations in our other communities, I want to really get them involved a lot more in and where we are, like Rushville and Winchester and Connorsville and whatnot.

SPEAKER_01

So I think even how many years have you done the morning show now?

SPEAKER_00

Uh 27.

SPEAKER_01

27.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

The one here. Yep. So I mean that's a long time. It is. It's a lot of mornings. And uh, but I get I get a sense from you, Rick, really, that you still really love doing it. Oh, I do, yeah, I absolutely love it. Yeah, and so I I wonder, you know, like how long are you gonna keep doing it? I mean, now that you've got all these other responsibilities, if have you thought about uh maybe I, you know, that's gotta be a hard, it would be really hard decision to make, I would think.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that's the question I get more than anything. When people find out that that uh Heather and I own it now, they always go, Oh, so how much longer are you gonna do the morning show? And I'm always like, I don't know. I'm not I always say I'm not really qualified to do anything else. So uh it's it's really one of those things that um I love what I do. I think if I ever become a distraction from the station, or if I ever become uh a liability, then I'll I'll I'll happily step away. But I feel like so far, you know, I've got I've got some some life left in my legs. I think I'll just keep doing what I'm doing. Um, you know, if people eventually are like, oh yeah, I stopped listening to that guy a long time ago. I thought he was dead. Like, you know, like then all that. But uh yeah, I'll just I I as far as I'm concerned, I'll keep going until I'm until basically people tell me they don't want to hear me anymore. I think your wife can be a big help in me. Oh, I think that's true. Yeah, she has no trouble at all telling me women.

SPEAKER_01

I mean, yeah, I mean, that's you lean uh obviously you lean on her pretty heavily. Oh, yeah. I just think, you know, being in business together. I mean, she'll help you in that journey. Yeah, I think you're right. Any so right now, there's not really any big changes or anything coming with just the way

What’s Next For Duncan Media

SPEAKER_01

things are, except you mentioned like the other stations getting in a little bit more in the community.

SPEAKER_00

No, I mean, I don't see any big changes happening. Uh, we've I you know, one of the cool things we have going on this year, I can tell you about, is uh WKB celebrates its 100th anniversary this year.

SPEAKER_01

Nice. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So KBV turns 100 in September. And so we're planning on an event uh for that celebrate. It's one of the oldest stations in the uh in the state for sure. Uh and one of the oldest stations actually in the country. Uh, we're top 10 oldest in the state, I think. And then uh I want to say we're 20th or something like that in the country, something. It's a uh it's a we're very low number. So we're we're we're way up there. Um and uh so we're very excited about that.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, people ask me, I mean sometimes they ask me this question, and I wonder, well, how old do you think I am? But I'm like, you know, so I'll be 62 this year. And so they asked me when I'm am I gonna get ready to retire? Yeah, and I mean I I I got it, I have zero plans right now to retire. And uh I I do love what I do still, and every day at Manpower is definitely a different day, and it's an adventure dealing with people and and uh so yeah, I mean, there's things that are frustrating, you know. Uh you know, when you spend a lot of time with a person and you get them all set up for the job and they don't show up at the client, and the client thinks that you purposely did that. No, I mean I mean, there's a lot that goes behind the scenes to get somebody prepped and ready to show up for a job. And so that part's frustrating. But and then people talk about, well, people just don't want to work today. And I hate that because that is not true. It's a very small percentage of the people that that that are kind of irresponsible with their jobs, but there's people, our employees, they get up every day, they show up, they work hard all day long, and and uh so I I don't I try to discount every time someone says that. And then I don't know where that came from, maybe COVID added to it or whatever. I don't, but uh that's just not true. No, I completely agree.

SPEAKER_00

And and you're right. And the well, so same misconception with radio. People will go, oh, nobody listens to radio anymore. I've heard that more than once. People, oh no, I, you know, I'm Facebook or whatever, whatever. And I'm like, you know, radio still reaches more people a week than Facebook does. Like uh more people listen to radio every week than are than uh are on Facebook. More people listen to radio uh in in uh on a regular basis than any other medium actually, than TV than anything else. So radio is still very much listened to, still very, very an integral part of what people do.

SPEAKER_01

That's that's a great answer because it leads me right into the last thing I was gonna ask you.

Why Radio Still Works For Advertisers

SPEAKER_01

I'm gonna give you an opportunity just to share with our our our followers that you know why should local businesses still consider radio today as part of their marketing strategy? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So a chance to talk about it. Yeah, I'd love to. So the thing about radio is uh I heard a great analogy uh at a at that session we were at a couple weeks ago. And that is um, you know, if you're mowing your yard and you've got, let's say you've got five acres you're mowing, yeah. Um basically there's a lot to cover there, but you've also got you know smaller things to do with regards to you know weed eating and push mower or whatever. All the large mowing you're doing within regards to your marketing is radio. And using your weed eater, that is digital. That's more specific, that's more focused on one area. Where radio is serving a general larger whole of people than, you know, specifically looking at just smaller amounts of, you know, here and there. You know, radio is such an integral part of people's lives, whether it's whether they're driving, whether they're cooking, they're you know, sitting at work, they're doing whatever, radio is on, radio is part of what people do. And, you know, more what we do as far as making ourselves, you know, we were talking about being involved in you know community and whatnot, the more we're involved, we're involved in everything people do on a regular basis, whether it's you know, farmers market, which we do, or you know, when they're hand when they're doing uh Food Truck Wednesdays, you know, we're sponsored that things that around community, you know, we're we try to be involved in everything. And so radio is is very much a part of people's lives. And that's what we do. We're we're we're part of people's lives on a regular basis. So, you know, what we do to help out people and businesses and whatnot is just that. It's just be just be with be there and be be present in people's lives.

SPEAKER_01

So well, uh I appreciate you uh visiting with me today, and I I I'm I'm you know, I'm glad that you've uh put some personal stake in trying to keep the radio station here and and locally owned and and you do an excellent job at what you do. I appreciate that. And you have a great reputation in the community and you're out there and and so uh I'm I'm very thankful that you visited with me today. And I just really appreciate everything that you do from just your morning show to uh showing up at events and doing the MC work and just all

Final Thanks And How To Support

SPEAKER_01

the community stuff. So, you know, thank you so much for doing that.

SPEAKER_00

Oh no, I appreciate you having me. I mean, I'm always like, why why would anyone want to talk to me off the radio? Like, you know, it's very nice. I appreciate it. And just so you know, I did do my research too going into this. I I watched several of the podcasts going into it. You do a great job. Thank you for a guy who just who is not, this is not your first thing. No, like you know, but you you do a great job. I appreciate it. So you you can tell you put the work into it.

SPEAKER_01

So yeah, well done.

SPEAKER_00

Thanks, Red.

SPEAKER_01

All right. That's it. We'll wrap it up. Hey, like us, follow us, share it, and uh we'll see you next time. Thanks for listening to the Hub Podcast sponsored by Manpower Eastern Indiana. If your business needs great people or you're looking for your next opportunity, contact Manpower Eastern Indiana today.