Is Gucci Mane A RAT? Afrika Bambaata DEATH & His Tarnished Legacy.

On Episode 2, hosts O’God and  SamAnt break down the controversy surrounding Gucci Mane after the release of his new track “Crash Dummy,” where he addresses what really happened with Pooh Shiesty—sparking debate across social media with many labeling him a “rat.” The hosts also discuss the passing of hip-hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa at 67, reflecting on both his foundational impact on the culture and the ongoing controversy surrounding his legacy. In addition, O’God and Da SamAnt break down the latest updates on Diddy and speculation about a possible release, while also touching on major R&B headlines, including Chris Brown and Usher potentially teaming up for a highly anticipated tour

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Peace, peace, and now I'm tuning into a live episode of the Hip Hop Uncensored Podcast. I got my co-host sitting across from me today.

SPEAKER_04 0:07

What up, y'all? It's your man Sam Man, CEO of All Hip Hop News Year in the building for another edition of the Hip Hop Uncensored Podcast. Today we are live and very excited to be broadcasting to you live. Oh God, what's good, my brother?

SPEAKER_02 0:18

What's good, man? We in the building. Like you said, we're live today, man. We're doing a special game at 12 noon, right around lunchtime. Feel good, man. Ready to get this going. Absolutely, absolutely, man. So yeah, let's um, I know you probably heard the song, right?

SPEAKER_03 0:33

I didn't, to be honest with you, but okay. I got you. That's crazy. I didn't even know he put out a song.

SPEAKER_02 0:38

Yeah, he put out a song and he he was saying a lot in the song, man. We ain't getting we can't play it on the air right now. Right, right. Because, you know, for copyright reasons. If we were doing this on behind the scenes, I would have played it on the air, you know, for you. But he said a lot. He said a lot in the songs. And I want to talk about that. I want to talk about how academics and other people were kind to kind of you know um instigating the whole situation, too. I think it's kind of crazy, you know, how to instigate the whole situation. Well, some of the things he was kind of talking about, man, he was pretty much saying, like, look, D, you robbed me, you know what I mean? We we was cool, whatever the case may be. He called him a crash dummy in it. So he pretty much told the whole story inside of the you know the rhymes. Again, can't play it right now. Yeah, it's crazy, bro. So so what do you think about the people, right? Calling out Gucci Man for being a rat. He's supposed to be quiet, right? Take it on the chin, have his man rob him, and then shut the freak up, don't say anything. And if you say something, use a rat. What's your thoughts on that, man?

SPEAKER_04 1:44

It's funny that the sources or the media pundits that are coming out and calling and accusing this man of being a rat. Because let me let me just get my personal perspective on it first. I really don't want to even get into the game of a rat versus this versus that, because what it's doing is you poking bears and you igniting situations and you are instigating situations because you want a response. Right. Now, what would that response be? What will be good enough for you to watch Gucci Man kill one of Pooh Shaisi's people, kill Pooh Shisey himself, kill his dad, kill his mom? What end game would you like to see happen so that Gucci Man can stay ten toes down and stay legitimate in the eyes of you? Right. Right. Another thing that's funny is you got, for example, an academics who will go to bat for a 6ix9ine, go to bat for what's my man's name that was with uh Gunner. Gunner, he'll go to bat for Gunner. If you make good music and you make entertaining music and you make things that's making him happy or whatever happy, then that rat shit don't matter. But the second he don't like you, or the second it can go for some drama or some clips, now all of a sudden he wants to throw this rat shit out. Well, it's kind of hypocritical, bro. It's either you a rat or you not. Or it's either we in this game or we not. Now, what Gucci Man did to me was he did what everybody does in 2026, no different than what drill rappers does. He painted the picture of what happened in his lyrics. Ain't that what they fucking do anyway? That's exactly what these kids are doing anyway. The people that are calling him rats will be the same ones that get behind a microphone and give you A, B to Z details on exactly what they did to paint out the crime and the picture for you so that the fans can go in and make the work easy for them. So, what is he doing any different than any drill rapper out there? What is he doing any different than anybody else that you guys can uh put on a pedestal and say this and ratt's dead, and we hip hop don't care about ratting? But as soon as this Gucci man, somebody that's actually caught a body, somebody that's been in jail, somebody that's known to be in the street, and all of a sudden you want to poke that bear and instigate a situation. I think it's corny, it is very hypocritical, it's very unauthentic. And at the end of the day, I was upset at the situation because I felt as though a young man who was very talented and had a ton of potential, who just got out of a serious situation, put himself back in the situation for dumbass reasons. And now he's gonna lose his life for dumbass reasons. And I also hated the fact that people were instigating a situation to try to force a response from Gucci to do what? To kill, to end somebody's life, to do all this, to prove what? So, although street politics may call Gucci a rat or whatever the case may be, man, fuck all that. I really don't care. And I'm not the biggest fan of Gucci man's music and things like that. I like to see his growth. I like to see that he went from somebody that was out here running the streets, reckless, crazy as hell, did his time, got out, and now he seems to be a citizen in the community, father doing his thing. I'm not mad at somebody growing and involving, man. So I'm not gonna sit back and try to instigate any situation. I think it's all sad at the end of the day. Business could have been done a better way to get a better resolution on all sides. And if Gucci Man put a record out, it's no different than any of these uh drill rappers do in 2026, anyway.

SPEAKER_02 4:53

Let me let me let me put a little bit of what academics were saying real quick to give you a little bit better. Hold on, I ain't know he's playing the damn song.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Yes, he's what he said. What do you think about his? This thing is like King Kong when it comes to street rap. King Kong. He done gave you every example. He done giving you every example what he's talking about. Rap the rapper, the security guard. And for all the people who like that, you'll be a little bit ignorant. No, we're talking about street rap here. It's street rap ignorance, especially when people live through it and get through it, is what builds the or the idea when you hear, oh, this nigga got a couple of bodies. Oh, this nigga he did a lot. He's alive getting shot this a lot of times. That's why rappers is alive a lot of the times it got shot because it created the Superman effect. It's the reason why we listen to Gucci shit back in the day, and you hear all these wild things like oh shit, Gucci's got the thing. Shiny's image goes up with this. Gucci dropping the song to Bragg Most. I don't know, man. It gotta be the best.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

All right, so he's gonna, he's probably gonna do like 20 something years. By the time he gets out, he ain't gonna be able to do no response on, bro. What are we talking about? Like, like this shit is insane, bro. I said, even seen Fat Boy SSC and all these other people like, oh my god, it's the like like he said it's messing up the culture. Like, what are we talking about? Messing up the culture? What culture? The deaf and destructive, so y'all want to perpetuate this culture? This man is damn near 50 years old. He ain't in the streets no more, yo. He's a businessman, so he's supposed to let a guy come in there on a bracelet with cell phones, with his friends, line him up, like he said, act like it was a meeting, right? Pull out the guns on him allegedly, because people saying that didn't happen. Force him under threat and coercion to sign a contract. He got former police officers in there, cameras everywhere. He ain't supposed to say shit. They snitched through themselves. Let's talk about cell snitching. Pooh Saitsey was a dumb fuck for doing that. For thinking that he can inculcate the streets into business. He's that that that's just crazy for him and his friends to think they're gonna come in there and just rob this man on a bracelet, cameras everywhere, cell phones, everything going against him, rental car records, all that, and just walk off. And nobody's supposed to say nothing because I'm a street dude. I ain't saying shit. Like, what world do we live in? And Fat Boy LST was like, oh, if you 6ix9ine gonna have a field day. Man, fuck 6ix9ine, man. Two totally different situations. 6ix9ine was running around, screaming, hollering, beating his chest, putting hits on people, and his ass got cracked and he folded. Gucci man is now businessman conducting business. He ain't supposed to say nothing, he ain't supposed to do nothing. He supposed to let somebody they said Pooh Sisey was in court shaking his head. So I'll come in here and rob Sam Hen. Somebody come in the studio and rob us, or we rob Sam Hen. He gets mad at me. Oh man, yeah, bro, I can't believe he's snitching. Take all the roses out the window at this point. You try to rob and you and you're lucky. If Gucci Man was on point, he probably would have killed y'all ends if he was really on point. So that's how I see the situation. You know, I get it, this thing, I got I get the culture and all of that. I understand that. I'm not denying that, but let's just be real about the situation right now. That's all I'm saying, bro. So, so what do what do you think about academics, man? The way he the way he was carrying that shit, right?

SPEAKER_03 9:10

Academics is 34 years old.

SPEAKER_04 9:12

And 20, okay, let's say if he, let's say Pooh Shice did a dime, right? Let's say he did five or six years. So at 40, nigga, you gonna sit on the stream drunk and talk about how this dude is the king of the streets when you are 10 years older than he is. You are you acting like a little ass kid, and it's coming off very immature and very corny. And we live in a day and age where when you say things with sense, it doesn't matter because you have your Six Nines of the world and your Charleston whites of the world, and now your academics of the world who get on there and make a platform and make money off of saying the most wild, most ignorant ass shit is possible. You got motherfuckers talking about, oh, this ain't good for the culture. So Gucci being an upstanding citizen and conducting a record label, and yeah, albeit they might not have look like the writing or the language within that, so you take care of it and do it on a business perspective because you're not in the fucking streets. You're not rapping as if you're in the streets. Once you make it out of that shit, and once you get into mainstream, and once you're selling out fucking coachellas and fucking festivals and you're doing all this shit, you gotta get up out of that shit. See, people like the aura of that shit. No, they like the attention that it brings them because it doesn't bring any money, it doesn't bring any further opportunity. If anything, it takes away opportunity, and the end game is jail or death. Being around a bunch of niggas all day 24-7, being threatened with all kinds of shit or death. So that's the culture. Go ahead, fat boy. I said, See, won't you go sit in jail around a bunch of motherfucking dicks and enjoy yourself for 20 since that's the culture? It's absolute bullshit. It's bullshit. And miss me with like the game has been torn up so much that this whole snitch culture shit is so backwards that I don't even want to hear it anymore. Right. What it used to be is if me and O got are doing dirt out here in these streets, we get money together, we doing what we're supposed to do, and one of us gets caught, the other one takes it. It is what it is. Oh, gets caught, he ain't saying shit about Sam Man, he ain't saying shit about XYZ. I got caught, I take that bill. No different than what 6ix9 did out here running around in the streets, running his mouth. And this is why we got so frustrated, that dude. It wasn't like he was out here just rapping and doing his thing. No, you was playing Alcalking Pwn in real life. And then the second you got caught, you realize no, you just Danny Hernandez, you're not Alcapone. I'm just a character. Right. And then the second you get back out of jail, 6ix9ine becomes the real person, and Danny Hernandez no longer exists, and you live in this fucking character. No, nigga, this ain't no game. This is real life. And unfortunately, and I'm not saying I want to see anybody die, but god damn, I wish one of these people got an example set to them so that other people would learn, damn, maybe this ain't the route to go. Because unfortunately, it seems like the people that say the most ignorant shit, the most wild shit, are the most protected. It's crazy, man. And uh and academics would be a fucking shame of themselves. That man's going on 34 years old. I don't know if he'll be doing this at 44. I don't know if he'll be doing this at 54. But we'll we'll see, man. At some point, at some point, god damn it, we as a culture and we as men have to blow the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

And my man put uh the diamonds, put our mentality is leading leading us into extinction. Absolutely. You got these jail cats that glorify this culture. Like we supposed to just sit back and keep going to prison to become slaves. And then when they get in there, now you a real nigga. Everybody can tweet about how real you are in prison. Meanwhile, you were in there crying, begging to come home, begging people to take care of you, wishing that you ain't make that mistake, wishing, like, who safety's not in there? Like, I'm the realest. Yeah, you like, damn, he's crying. Like, damn, I shouldn't have done that, bro. I could have still been driving Aurari if I would just went and paid the contract lawyer, or sat down like a man without the street, the dumb street shit, and said, Gooch, look, man, I know when we first signed this contract, it was one thing, but bro, can we do something to then if that's if that if he say no, then all right, just finish your obligation, keep making your music, and slide off. Now you're taking all your bread, dog. You ain't got no, this, this, we don't think before doing shit. You don't have not one leg to stand on now. Not one. Because now, whatever he does, whatever you do, they said Pooh Sizey streams is up, right? Probably. Who you think raking in? Gucci. Because whatever the splits is, the splits are still that. So, like we, we again, emotional intelligence. We need real men. And the platforms that are pushed in this culture are clowns, buffoons, people that destroy the culture for the most part. Not all of them, there's some good ones out there. So when we're gonna have a real grown man conversation about this, that's what we're doing right now. Forget these 34-year-olds and the guys talking about, oh, this is crazy. Come on, man. That's corn. That man's a businessman now. He used to be in the streets, he ain't in the streets no more. He both let somebody come and rob you and do all this shit to you, not do nothing, and sit back and go to jail for obstruction? Because nah, dog, come on, man. Y'all dudes is wilding out on that one, man. Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_04 14:22

Obviously, when you when you look at it in its totality, he pushes did that shit for nothing. Nothing. For nothing. You literally did that shit so that you could get a ticket back to jail. That's it. That's the only reason you did it. And it's crazy. Are you sitting on your phone in that box right now looking at academics, praise you, and thinking that's a win? Are you looking on on social media and looking at all these fools praise you on how you did some real shit? Is that a win to you? Because your bank account's not getting any fatter. You're not getting any more free. If anything, you just helped Gucci. So why? Ultimately, what did you do it for? And then it cracks me up because I'm I'm no, I'm kind of I'm spewing lines right now, but it's crazy to me how people can get on us about charging for interviews, but you let this motherfucker big you up, doesn't give you anything. The only thing that you got from this situation, Pooh Shyste, is academics praising you on how you a real nigga and how in 10 years you're gonna be able to come back hot. No one's gonna remember he's gone for 20, bro. He ain't gone 10 years. No one's gonna remember you, bro. No one's gonna remember you, bro. Right. And you're gonna look back in three or four years, once your brain slows down, and once you actually grow the fuck up, because I believe you're 26, 27 years old, you're gonna realize I did all this shit for no fucking reason. Because how real am I now, five years in, when no one remembers my name, when Shistemas no longer exists, and all this aura and the lore no longer is available because the niggas that's talking about you either fell off, grew the fuck up, or in jail with your ass. It's a sad situation.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Fuck Africa Mambada, and then we'll get to Diddy at the back end. So Africa Mambada, you know, passed away yesterday, 67 years old, from complications of cancer. Now, Africa Mambada is one of the people that's been touted as not necessarily starting hip-hop, but kind of bringing the genres together, the graffiti, the dance. He started doing block parties in the Bronx, and you know, everything kind of came together. And I don't know if it was the official word back then was actually hip-hop, but that's what it was graffiti, music, breakdancing, and people would come together and they would be doing all this in the Bronx, playing the music, the MCs, the DJs, people dancing, people doing graffiti on the wall, all of that. It's been shrouded over the last few years with people accusing him of messing with little boy. So he passed away. Condolences, you know, because at the end of the day, I we don't really know if that stuff is true, that he messed with little boys. We do know that he possibly wasn't homosexual. We had, what was it, Grandmaster Caz? Yeah. Grandmaster Caz came on and he said that, you know, he would, you know, that he seen him grab another dude's ass or something like that. The interview's up on both our channels, if I'm not mistaken. You guys could check that out. A very extensive interview. But how should his legacy be remembered, Sam, in your opinion? Because you had Hassan Campbell come out. You had, you know, Beastinger came out, which Beastinger said he was distraught that he passed away. Hassan Campbell over the years has confessed his love for Africa Bambada. We did interview Hassan Campbell on his channel. So let me let me know, man. How should his legacy be remembered in your in your opinion?

SPEAKER_04 17:30

How should it be remembered? How will it be remembered? Are probably two totally different things. I'll I'll tell you, to be perfectly honest with you, my thoughts on African Bob Bambada will always be kind of slanted simply because I can't get past the rumors. And that's unfortunate because we live in a day and age where if those accusations were true, and those were some very disgusting allegations, and when they were first brought to the table, there was an uproar within the community to do something about it. There's only very limited people who could actually go and press it forward to do something, and they were encouraged to do so. For whatever reason or another, they didn't, right? And I wish in this situation, if he was in fact guilty of some of the heinous acts that they were accusing him of, that he could have stood trial, been accused of this shit, and got publicly tar and feathered like Diddy did, and like some of these other, and and and Dr. Cosby did, some of these other people that we went so heavy on trying to put behind bars due to rumors, right? Because Diddy, he did it to a female Cassie, he did it to somebody that he was in a relationship with. Yes, it was dirty, and yes, it was disgusting. We were in an uproar about it. Dr. Cosby did it to a bunch of women, allegedly back in the 60s and 70s, and this was an uproar, and we had an uproar about it. Right. Well, allegedly, Van Bodle was doing this to little boys. Children, we're talking about pedophilia here. That's no game, that's no joke. That's that's a serious accusation. And if he were guilty of it, like I said, I wish he was tarred and feathered and publicly put on a pedestal to be exposed for what he is, and then he got punished for the crimes that he committed. But he was never put in a situation where he had to defend himself for those accusations. He was never formally accused of any situation where he had to go to jail and testify. All that we've seen is a bunch of terrible, disgusting accusations. And then what makes it even further disturbing is it seems like people have monetized that trauma, monetized that story, and were able to create fortunes based off the fact of a rumor, but never really wanted to take justice into their hands and seek the truth of what happened. Now, I'm not gonna damn the man if he was a homosexual. He ain't touched me, he ain't try to sexually involve with me. It's none of my business what you do in your bedroom. If you want to sleep with men, go ahead and do that. It's not my thing. If you want to do that, go ahead. That's none of my business, and you shouldn't be judged based off of what you do in your bedroom. If you did something with children, right, then you should always be remembered for taking advantage of children. Again, unfortunately, we'll never really know the truth. And a lot of us will just go off of here saying what we believe and what we feel may be true or not true. But I wish we had something stone cold to where we can go. If this dude was a pedophile, then we can acknowledge him as that, because he will always be remembered as that and move forward. But now we got this gray area to where you got some people praising him as the father of hip-hop and shining out condolences and they don't want to hear that shit. You got others looking at him because we've seen content for 10, 12 plus years of things that we've heard, and we can't get that out of our head, man. So unfortunately, I think that he'll always be remembered for the rumors, but it's also unfortunate that we'll never really know the truth.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think where there's smoke, there's fire. I just wish that the guys who had the ball, the Hassan Camels, the Ronald Bain's thing of savages, would have actually pushed things forward when they had an opportunity. If I'm not mistaken, I think they had an opportunity, even held him civilly liability um liable. Nobody did it. I think it was particularly they gave the man a break. They should have gone after that. I know it's not criminal, but I think pushing that forward, and I think somebody did. It was somebody unanimous who actually did push things forward. But I get it. It was a time the Zulu Nation was very powerful. It seemed like the Diddy situation. You were trying to go after him in the early, like in the mid-90s, it was like he was almost untouchable. It took them a long time to be able to build this case, which is another thing we're gonna talk about later on, a little bit later on in the show, because that's even look a little full gaze with the Diddy situation. But yeah, I feel like he was definitely doing stuff. I don't know if he was doing stuff with little boys.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

I don't know. I think it was some statutory stuff going on, but as far as like, you know, the Hassan Campbells and the Beast things, which I think is totally, absolutely wrong. I think that's wrong. But I also question the fact that they kept going back to him. Again, they were still minors, so I really can't throw that in their face like that. But they were they kept going back. They kept going back. And I guess, you know, the the excuse that they used was like he was, you know, this big powerful person. He was influential. You know, so we wanted to keep being around him. So I just can't relate. Me being a teenager, I would I would have punched him in the shit. I would have gone to go tour with my parents. I would have did something. But that's neither here nor there. We'll move past that. You know, that is what it is. We already done interview both of those guys. And, you know, that was the conclusion I think at least I came to like, yeah, that shit was crazy. But his, he's always, his image is always going to be tainted with that. Because for every two or three people that say, man, forget that. He's Zulu Zulu, you're going to have probably 30 or 40 people like, nah, he's a P word. He did this. So unfortunately, that that's just what it is. Sad, but true.

SPEAKER_04 22:46

And another thing about him is if, because he heard the rumors just as loud as everybody else did. And he said some things here, there, but he always allowed the door to be open for the rumors to kind of just live in that space. Yeah. So him dying and him passing how we will remember his legacy, that has a lot to do. He has a lot of responsibility to hold net. Well, no, he's now no longer here, but while he was here, he had a lot of responsibility in that as well. Because he could have defended himself a lot more if he felt as though he was innocent in that situation. And he never really did. He came out and said little things here or there, but he never really came out and stopped. Like if somebody were accusing me of this and it was not true, oh, I'm gonna be everywhere. You ain't getting this shit off on me. I'm gonna be Jay-Z times a million. I'm suing this person, this person, that. Nah, you ain't putting this on me. True. That never really happened. So it's that gray area that will never really know the truth, and his legacy will be remembered because of how he placed it.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

All right, so let's be done with the Africa Bambada. We did that. All right, so I don't know if you heard, Sam man, Chris Brown and Usher are doing an RB tour. What's your thoughts on that, Roger?

SPEAKER_04 23:54

Love it. I love it. Because we've heard rumors about them having fallen out. We've heard reports and seen things about them falling out. We've had these two names in versus battles and things like that. Who's better? Who's this, who's that? And I'm glad that they could put their greatness together, right? And put on an absolute phenomenal show because you got two people in Usher and Chris Brown who are still at the top of their games, still very high level, not only singing, but dancing and entertainment in general. And I think it's dope. I think it's dope that we're coming together, albeit within the same genre, same lane, and we don't have to compete against one another. We can go out there and give our best and give a good show for the people. That's culture to me. You want to talk about the culture? Give me something like that to where we can go and listen to some good music, have a good time, be around some beautiful women, and enjoy some good music. Oh, yeah, I'm for that all the way, 100%. So, yeah, salute to Usher and Chris Brown. Them tickets are probably gonna be expensive than a mug, but at the end of the day, it's it's well done, man. That that's the culture right there. That's what that's what I need.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah, yeah. I I would love to go see that. Yeah, I ain't gonna lie. Because think about that. Like, Chris Brown come out, do a couple, usher come out. Oh my god. Like, people talking about a versus. They said, nah, we're gonna put this joint together.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

We're gonna put a tour together.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

It would have been crazy to do a versus then a tour, but nevertheless, no matter what, that joint is gonna be crazy. It's probably gonna be one of the highest grossing tours out there. Because people are gonna pay. Men, women, teenagers, they're gonna pay whatever it is. But I don't care if they got to mortgage their house to go see that joint. That's just what it is, bro. So I uh I was happy when I seen that. I'm very excited. I want you to listen to this, though. This this is the next thing. Maybe you walk away because I don't want to do it for for copyright purposes. Listen to a little bit of this song, real quick, man.

SPEAKER_03 25:35

What we got? Who's this?

SPEAKER_02 25:36

This dude Forgato Blow, white guy. The song was called White End. I don't know if you heard that yet. What's your thoughts on it? And you know, when we do stories like this, we be giving people a little bit of light. And it don't really matter the numbers a lot of time. Like, it ain't like hundreds of thousands of views, but it's just the impact that we got in this joint, man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

What's your thoughts? He's corny as hell, and it's just another clown trying to finego his way into some type of attention. Because obviously, we are the foundation. We are the platform, us as black people in our culture. It is us, it starts with us, it ends with us. And the second we start realizing that and understand our true power, maybe we can honestly get some true uh movement around this motherfucker. Because clearly, people want to be like us, they want to move like us, they want to rap like us. This dude looks like a black dude, a gangster, these people that y'all prompt up and love so much. Not the people in this chat, because we seem like we got a little bit of a sophisticated chat right now, and I appreciate that. But this dude looking for clicks, he's looking for views, he's looking for shock value, and he's looking to campaign. And in the famous words, a wise person once said, You campaign enough one day you're gonna get elected. And I feel like that eventually, man, I say eventually, his time might come when somebody slap shit out of, but who knows? He might go sell out a tour and do a couple songs with some of these rappers, but they say he don't give a fuck. They don't mind if they call him nigga, they may run around with him. So, great ploy. I mean, dude's clearly a clown, clearly a joke. I'll never listen to another song again. I heard it a little bit, I've heard enough. But this is the wave nowadays. This is how you get popular. We've watched the blueprint happen. You gotta say the most ignorant, most niggotry shit known to man. If you're a white boy, you gotta go against the grain and act like you're not afraid to say this or that. And I'm sure when dude gets pressed up, he'll act like it's just a game, it's just a gimmick. You know what I mean? And and this is how they do it, man. So F him at the end of the day, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:26

F him. Is he is he gonna get pressed up though?

unknown 27:29

No.

SPEAKER_02 27:30

Because he got brothers in the video, his barbers in the videos, people. No, he got a black driver in the video, and it's like this is what I this exploitation that is fine. Somebody put it in the chat. It's like we can come into your culture, right? We can do whatever the hell we want, we can say whatever the hell we want, and you guys is gonna celebrate this shit. You're gonna you're gonna bow to our knees and say, Oh, that's my homie. No, you don't see nobody going into no nobody exploits black culture like other people. We're not going into other people's culture and exploiting that. We ain't going to Ukraine and starting a Vlad TV, a black Vlad in Ukraine and talk about the uh the crime in Ukraine and people getting blown up and the gangsters over there and the drug trade and interviewing the mob bosses and shit like that. We're not going over there doing that. But we allow them to come in and look, they can come into our culture. My part is the power and the control that they have inside of it. Like the record labels, like the podcasts. They're all owned by people that don't look like us. Even if the the figurehead, the clown, is the guy in front speaking, spinning on his head, dancing and shit on camera, the man on it. And the man tells them what to do. And if they go outside the boundaries of anything that the man says, they get smacked on their ass. They get a whip on their back. Don't you say that? Don't you do that? Don't you ever talk about nothing that's gonna affect us? Don't you ever, you know, come at this person because we'll take your funding from you. And that's what it to me, that's what it's about at the end of the day. It's about power. You can have your platforms in, but when we're gonna have more platforms that are gonna talk about things that that are affecting us. You know, we got people out here uh uh uh chastising Gucci man, calling him a rat, saying he's ruining the culture or dude that is robbed him and damn near could have killed him. Because a lot of times the robbers, people get killed. And we call when we chastise him calling him a rat, putting up rat emojis, what do we call him poo? Pooh ain't a rat? Pooh chase ain't a rat? For going in with an ankle bracelet on with cell phones, Gucci ain't gotta say a fucking word because it's all there, it's all there. And you think the foreign police officer is not gonna be a rat? He's gonna die, he ain't he's a civilian. He's gonna tell the story. So Gucci man supposed to go to prison once again. He's supposed to go to prison for being a real nigga and not.

SPEAKER_04 30:02

Damn near killed me, but I ain't gonna say nothing. I ain't gonna kill him, I'm just not gonna say nothing because I don't want to be known as a rat. It's crazy. Oh, all right. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

All right. It's and you it's just our culture's crazy, bro. Our culture and it's a deaf and destructive culture. And I hate to keep saying, but that's what the fuck it is, yo. I can't call it nothing else. That's just what it is. We glorify, we push sluts, hoes, drug dealing, gangsters. We push that shit to the forefront, and you're real if you kill somebody and you don't say nothing. You're a real nigga if you put yourself in the belly of the beast and think about it. You're a real nigga if you become a slave again.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Ain't that the truth? Wow, you are definitely a real nigga.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

That's powerful. You become a slave again. That's crazy, bro. Like just think about that.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

The realest niggas known to me.

SPEAKER_02 30:53

Right. That's wild. And the whole station thing, he didn't that it came, I don't know where it started, but it came from the slavery shit. When me and you will be, we'll be playing the insurrection. Chop this motherfucking head off. We went playing, and some other dude over there gonna go tell and shit because he got some bacon and chitlins today. Or he might get some macaroni and cheese hall morg later and shit. He might be, you know what I mean? So he's gonna go tell on us and shit and get our get our shit. We be straight, we hung up some goddamn tree.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

Cause he's about to eat some, you know, some slop tonight. That's where that shit came from, the stitching culture. But that is what it is. So let's push through it, man. We going very deep, you know, into the program. I didn't expect to go this deep today, but nevertheless, we we definitely getting into it. Let's get into uh I got two more topics, man. Offset, man. Offset got his ass shot. You know what I mean the other day. I guess he was real. I guess he ain't supposed to say nothing either, but I don't know what the guy, a little TJ, I don't know, but bigger than this, another rapper shot. A lot of people talking about gambling with this man. And he may have a gambling addiction, own a lot of people's money. Rumors were he ran up a$900,000 tab before he got his ass shot. What's your thoughts on that?

SPEAKER_04 31:59

Yeah, it's two, it's two separate situations, right? Yep. But the premise that I got from it, and I I've had some dealings with offset, albeit coincidentally enough, all in the casino. All of them, right? When I used to work in the casino and I did executive protection, and the Migos would come in, I'd be their point man to get into the club, get to the concert, whatever the case may be, get them from point A to point B wherever they had to go. And every time everything was over, you know what I mean? Quavo and takeoff will leave, and offset would stick around because he liked playing dice. And he played for hours, hours, hours, hours on end. And he was a cool dude, but clearly he liked to be around that type of environment. So when I'm hearing these things and him not paying back bets and him getting markers in casinos and things like that, I know that game all too well because I've lived it and I've worked in it damn near half my life. What's a marker? So if you if you if you spend money, right? Like if you're a high roller or you got some money, right? The casino will basically give you like a loan. Oh. And they'll throw you 900,000, a million or something, blah, blah, blah, hoping that you lose it, but eventually you have to pay that back. Wow. They'll give you like a little bit of a loan to go out hell and gamble. Yeah. So he's taking out markers here, taking out markets there, doing that. Now you just putting yourself in debt. And we know casinos and we know casino odds. Hell, we just played a game, we can play for free, and we've seen the odds blowing that shit. So in a casino, you already know it ain't it ain't laid out for you to win, man. And he he put himself in a situation. We've seen, I've seen this shit, you've seen this shit so many times with people that gamble and people that have gambling problems and gambling addictions, and hopefully, right? Because he's just dealing with some rappers trying to be cool and wanting to be great. These casinos are ran by some very powerful people. These people don't play any games. So if you owe somebody money and the wrong thing, if you owe the wrong person some money or you owe the wrong marker on the wrong casino, that shit ain't gonna be on Instagram or IG that you're sitting there smoking cigarettes in the hospital. I don't know if you remember what happened with Jay Leno where he said he fell off a bike and was running. No, somebody threw his ass off a hill because he owes somebody some money. These people don't play no games when it comes to their bread, man. So hopefully he can find his way out of it. I'm not gonna say and put a stigma on saying that he has a problem, but it looks like he may have an issue with gambling. And I know for a fact, from my own two eyes, my own experience, that he really enjoys doing it. So hopefully he can find his way out of it. Because that's that's a quick way to hell, right there.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

I heard a guy he was talking about, he said gambling being the worst addiction because unlike drugs and alcohol, you get to a point where you it's over. You take too much drugs, you go to sleep, whatever. Too much alcohol, you go to sleep. Like gambling, you can keep going. You keep going and going, you can lose it all. And sitting down at this, at this, you know, oh, I got, you know, a hundred. Say you got a million dollars in the bank, you down 250, you get another 250, another 250. You can lose it all in one day.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

You know what the dangerous part is now, oh? Yeah, you ain't gotta go to the casino. You can do it on your phone. You can play slot machines on your phone, you can play cards on your phone, you can play roulette on your phone, and your bank account is connected to it.

SPEAKER_04 35:01

So now you don't have to go to an ATM machine and withdraw money, and you don't have like in a casino, you may have a thousand, two thousand dollar max on your ATM card, it's endless. Right. And if you have your wife's ATM card, you have your mama's ATM card, you have this person, you can drain shit in the confines of your own home. I used to work behind the scenes on things, and I used to hear messages from people, hey, please, can you shut my account down? I just lost all my money. I lost my wife's money. I have no control. I need help. And then two days later, they're on. Yo, can you reinstate my account? I never said that. It never happened. Whoa! People got problems, man. You talking about it's probably one of the most dangerous addictions alive. That ain't no joke. Wow. I seen it firsthand.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

I tell you, one time I went to cascine, I put$50. Shit was gone in 30 seconds. I never gamble it again in my life. Quick money boy, gone. I put in the slot machine. Let me put the 50. Had to be about a minute. Gone, gone. Like, oh, gone. Now it's the difference if you play in the games though.

SPEAKER_03 35:59

What do you ask me at the difference?

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Yeah, because I I got a friend of mine, he he he was telling me, like, if you start getting up, he he does the deal. They they they'll start making you lose. Like, and if you don't tip, they'll make you lose. So they pretty much control the game. So is it different if you're like a good blackjack player, poker player? Is it a difference, gambling, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_04 36:16

No, because there's no such thing as good. Okay, all right, like let's say, for example, I'm on I'm online playing on an online casino, I'm at my house and I'm killing them. Right. They'll tag you and put a mantra on you to where, okay, now I can't deposit my money. They'll they'll take away your options to deposit money, or they'll take away your options to withdraw money. So, like, okay, I have the option I can use my bank account, I can use my checking account, or I can use this. They'll take it all away and say, all right, now you got to travel to a casino 2,000 miles away for you to get your money so that they can try to entice you to try to play again. They try to call, they call them wise guys, right? If you're a wise guy and you're up on a casino, they'll take away all types of freedoms and shit for you. But you realize if you're losing, then you get comps, you get rooms, you get buffet tickets, you get extra points, you get games. They they want you to lose. They congratulate and they give awards to losers. If you win, they'll find ways to kind of X you out or make it hard for you to get your money. They're in the business to take your shit. They're not in the business to give you a chance to possibly win money. No, they're in the business to take your shit. Now, people that win and get happy are those random people that take trips to Atlantic City, those random people that take trips to Vegas, they'll sort of black hit a couple racks and get the fuck up out of there. Yep. But if you win there consistently, you're going to lose eventually. Period. That's how it's set up.

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Right. Yeah, crazy. That's the last topic of the day, man. Diddy. Now he is trying to get freed now. Him and his attorneys are pretty much arguing that it was not sex crimes, that it was amateur porn. And they could they set a precedent with this case and others because there's been nobody in the history that's been charged or been sentenced, like he's been sentenced for the type of crime that he was convicted of. We talked a lot about Diddy. A lot of people don't like him. They think he's a scumbag or whatever, but he it's a dilemma chance that he could actually be free because the judge essentially went against the guidelines, went against everything else, and said, I'm gonna give you the sentence I want to give you because I want to give you that sentence, not what you should have got as a you know, compared to what you were charged with. People like Diddy, people like R. Kelly, people like Mr. Cosby, do you think a precedent is being set with the type of sentence those men receive?

SPEAKER_04 38:33

Yeah, without question. But it's only, I mean, and I guess you can even throw in Harvey Weinstein, whatever, and all these other people, it's definitely a precedent being set, even though the crimes they committed or allegedly committed are totally different. Right. All of them are totally different. Like in the case of Dr. Cosby, he's sitting there with females having parties. Apparently, drugs are being taken, blah, blah, blah. You got Harvey Weinstein where he was pressuring women into movie roles and things like that. If they weren't doing favors for him, they can get money or opportunities taken away. You got R. Kelly where he was allegedly grooming females and putting them in cages and doing all kinds of wild shit. And then you got Diddy, who's in a very toxic relationship, and some very unhealthy things were done, things against the grain, things that should never have been done. But it seemed like they want to throw this same moniker on all of these people. And it's it's interesting because it's not the same, but they try to box it into the same. And if you I do I think Diddy's a good person? No. Do I think he was a good businessman? No. But do I do I think that he needs to be the poster child and set an example of before what he did and what we saw? Hell no. Like, what are we uh no? And I'm not getting back into it. What are we talking about? Because y'all know, like I just I just found it to be utterly ridiculous. And we talked about Bambada, somebody that was accused of some very heinous things. Make him the poster child of this wild shit if he's in fact guilty, because these are what he was being charged, like accused of. You try to throw this thing into Diddy, you try to throw this thing into Dr. Cosby, you try to throw this thing into. I mean, R. Kelly, it's been rumors for years, and we still don't know the truth behind that. But I just don't like the fact that they try to box all of these situations into the same thing. And as far as Diddy's concerned, I think he should have been out. You know what I mean? Am I gonna celebrate his release? Am I gonna say Diddy's home and throw a party in hell? No. I don't give a fuck. At the end of the day, do I think this man deserves to be free based off of what he was charged with and the amount of time he was already in prison? I do.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

Yeah, me too. And it's like, like you said, these are you know consensual acts. The way they tried to frame it is like he was drugging people up against their will, forcing them into situations they didn't want to be in. All the interviews, all the uh evidence that we heard, and people started doing interviews, they were hired to come in, to pop off Cad, and Diddy was watching, beating this shit. You know what I mean? Like, so it was like nothing, I didn't see nothing that was forced. Now, if it was, it'd be totally different. If he was slipping people's shit and it was, you know, out of it and he was having his way. No, this was hosted shit that people was coming to willingly getting paid. That still goes on today, and it's legal in certain places. You know, bad guy, yes. He's on draws, yes. He probably fucked a lot of people over contracts, yes. But he's in, I think, Fort Dicks right now in Jersey.

SPEAKER_03 41:19

Damn, is he?

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Fort Dick, living his best life up there, you know. I mean, because you know they're gonna take care of him, the New York Cats and all that. But yeah, man, let that man come home, man. Let that man come on. He'll be home eventually. I don't know if it's gonna be sooner than later. Yeah, but but he'll definitely be home. But I know he's a Fort Dickens, it's pretty. Yeah, yeah, he's right. He actually requested to go there.

SPEAKER_03 41:38

He's right up the road.

SPEAKER_02 41:39

Yeah, and that's actually perfect. I mean, I ain't gonna say it's perfect for him, but you're gonna have a lot of New York and New Jersey people. Yeah, he's good. You know what I mean? So he good at that. And in the feds, they say like you kind of it happens like in cars. So it's like, say if you was in New Jersey, you're going to New Jersey car, man. You'll be a New Jersey car. Oh, okay, okay. Then he's gonna be in the New York car. So as soon as you come in, they're gonna embrace you.

SPEAKER_00 41:59

You're gonna be on.

SPEAKER_02 41:59

Especially if you're rich. It's like because you dudes probably getting no commissary, you can help them out and shit like that. So ain't nobody's gonna touch a you know, a hair on his head in that prison unless the New York cats.

SPEAKER_01 42:10

Yeah, unless you say, unless he can't get it.

SPEAKER_02 42:16

Uh never nothing about him messing with guns, though. Nope. You know what I mean? They they said that and they try to put kids on him too, yeah, which was crazy. But that is what it is, man. Hour seven. Usually we do this behind the scenes, so it's a lot more, you know, good that goes into doing a live, you know, broadcast. But nevertheless, we appreciate you guys. You know, we'll be back um with more content Monday. Make sure you guys also, if you want to be a sponsor, hit us up, OGOD at hiphopun.com, or if you want to interview, if you're a publicist, you got somebody you want to get onto the show, email us, OGOD at hiphopun.com. We got slots open. We out of here, man. Peace.