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Big U Interview " I knew They Would Blame Me For KILLING Nipsey"
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In this exclusive episode of the Hip Hop Uncensored Podcast, we sit down with Big U for an in-depth conversation about his life, his history in Los Angeles, and his relationship with Nipsey Hussle.
Big U opens up about growing up in L.A., the environment that shaped him, and the years he spent incarcerated. He also breaks down the original purpose behind gangs, explaining how neighborhood organizations were initially formed and how the culture changed over the years.
We also get into Nipsey Hussle, their history together, the tension and misunderstandings surrounding their relationship, and Big U’s perspective on the accusations and speculation that followed Nipsey’s tragic death. Big U explains why he felt people were eventually going to blame him for Nipsey’s death and gives his side of a story that has been debated for years.
This is a raw conversation about Los Angeles street history, prison, gangs, Nipsey Hussle, redemption, loyalty, power, and survival—straight from Big U himself.
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We got a very special guest in the building, none other than the legendary Big U was on the podcast. How you doing today, family?
SPEAKER_01I'm doing all right. So look, so my man Jimmy Chris from um from uh from Compton Pyro approached me about doing a show, and it was it was his ideal, and it was at the time that all of those shows was going on, like I think it was Love and Hip Hop and Hip Real Hard. And it was I think Steve had did a show about managers and they were doing shows about producers. So when he got at me about doing it, I was like, Yeah, I fuck with it, I I do it. And he had got at Suge. Suge went to jail. He had got a couple more people from LA, and it ended up just being me doing it for him. And we shot a pilot, like I said, about four years ago. We shot the pilot, and the pilot kind of just set, you know what I mean? And we went to BET, BET liked it, but BET was was kind of like in a different space at that time, so they um BT was actually friendly to us, just keep it 100. Because BET gave us some money to reshoot it, and we reshot it, BET turned it down, still all right.
SPEAKER_05I was saying that we've been following your career for a very long time and very respected, and very interested to know how you came up in the city of Los Angeles in the time you did.
SPEAKER_01Oh, I mean, I was born here. I was I was born on the west side, pretty much over on Figueroa and Hoover. I mean, on uh let me see close to about uh Lawrence's Hoover, and really just raised on the west side of LA. I came in, you know, came up, we got involved in the gang life. Then I mean I took martial art since I was a kid, martial art and boxing. So that kind of gave us a different, gave me a different outlook in life. And I think as I got older, I started and we got more into the streets. We started seeing where where we were able to go and do things the other people couldn't do. And it was, and I feel like it was probably because um I had gained a reputation in the streets LA for fighting, drugs, shooting, and in and out of jail. And that kind of like tells the story of a big, but it tells the same story mostly. Most young men that come up in South Cut to LA, especially men who look like myself and brown. So we all dealt with the we all dealt with that gang, the gang life, and was influenced by it in one way or another.
SPEAKER_05What style of martial arts did you practice, if you don't mind me asking?
SPEAKER_01I feel like I was lucky because Kempo.
SPEAKER_05Okay.
SPEAKER_01Kempo, I studied under BKF.
SPEAKER_05Now, what were you saying? My fault.
SPEAKER_01But I boxed also, too. I grew up, I grew up on I grew up down the street from the Manchester boxing gym. I boxed in Manchester, I boxed on the 108th, I boxed a couple of different places.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Now going back, you know, um to the gangs. Um, you were a member of the Rolling 60s. Originally, if you know, what was the original, you know, um reason for formation of gangs in LA? If you can let the people know. For who? The original, the reason why the gangs were formed in LA originally.
SPEAKER_01Originally, um see, I'm not from that era. That's 10 years older than me. That's Tookie. I mean, that's Tookie and Raymond Washington. I'm actually doing a story on Raymond Washington. It's called The Birth of a Crip. But originally, going back to like the original guys, it it's it's often said that the Crips was formed as a re as as a result of the Black Panthers and what was going on with Black people in LA and the mistreatment of black people in LA. So then that gave rise to Raimi Washington wanted to start in the Crips. But the Crypt, the original formation of the Crips, I feel like I would want to say was something that was positive. And over the years, and the influences from COINTELPRO, um Jager Hoover, and the rest of these guys who didn't want to see the rise of a black, strong, black, strong figure or black, strong organization, they got in and really poisoned the idea.
SPEAKER_05We were talking, we had uh Nino Cappuccino on a couple months ago, and he was giving his perspective of the 80s and the gangs in the 80s and the violence in the 80s from a blood perspective, Paul's perspective. I would love to hear it from your perspective. Nino, yeah, Nino Cappuccino.
SPEAKER_01I know Nino, but I'm trying to think. Is he from me? I think he's from Inglewood, right?
SPEAKER_02I'm not sure. I think he said from whatever Watts is. What's the word Watts? Watts, yeah. Watts is watts, I guess.
SPEAKER_01Oh, he's from Watts, yeah. I think so. Yeah, he is from Watts. I think he is from Watts. Yeah. He's a real one.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. Salute to the brother. That's a real one. But I mean, but he was talking about the 80s, how violent. My father family. He said he was he was talking about the 80s and how violent it was in the 80s. How was that from your perspective? The 80s.
SPEAKER_01I was I was shot seven times in the 80s.
SPEAKER_03Damn. Lord.
SPEAKER_01So I don't know how I don't know if it was vi I don't know if he's telling the truth or not, but I was shot seven times. Now you um I was shot seven different times. I haven't I wasn't shot like you know, 50 of them shot one time. No, I was shot seven different times. I my first time getting shot, I think, was 1982. Either 81 or 82. I was shot all the way up until my last time getting shot was been 1991. And then I went to prison right after that. Right. So I would agree with him that the 80s was the 80s in themselves was was a different kind of era, but I would also say that when the 90s came, it was more weaponry. The the weapons in the 90s outmatched the weapons in the 80s. So in the 80s, what was different to me was people were were really concentrating on getting a man. And in the 90s and the 2000s, you see these kids with 200-round drums and guns that shoot 21, 31 times. The difference between us back then is we didn't have nothing to shoot like that. And right so not to glorify, but the the the way these kids are now today is you see them, they shooting everybody, and they shooting bad baby mamas and kids, and and it's you know, it's when uh like when I came home in 2004, it was it was it was crazy because yeah, it was it was different. The 80s had more direction, it was bullshit too, but right, it was it was a little bit more direction.
SPEAKER_02Right now, you tell a story about you know, you do 13 years, and I think the final three years you did um like three years in a hole, and you get out, and people expecting you to really carry on the blood versus crit thing, but you came out on a different vibe, like because you was locked up with blood and all types of different people. You talk about getting out and 04 and changing the way of the way the way you do things.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when I came home to well, see, like you said, you hit it on the nose. I had done 13 years, 13 years, and I did the last three years and nine months in the shoot, but my mentality even going in prison was different, and what I wasn't gonna do is come home and feed into the mentality, the hatred of black men that was that was going on, and I had been previously been a part of. So, what really kind of gave me the respect in in on in the streets of LA is the fact that I had already made the change while in prison and before I got to prison. So it made my job easier when I came home because a lot of dudes who had done time with me already knew I wasn't on no cripping blood, no a trade versus 60s, no hoover versus I wasn't known that. That was that wasn't my that wasn't my my push. So when I came home, a lot of people who had been in doing their time with me had already been like, nah, bro, ain't even on that. He ain't pushing that like that. So it really was just for me to come home and to stay solid because a lot of dudes will do time, and when they do time, when they come home, their mentality change, they start moving in a different direction. They're influenced by they're they're influenced by their homeboys when they come home, instead of them being the influence to the homeboys.
SPEAKER_05Good point. Yeah, absolutely. When did you get into the music business? When did you decide that you know what? I'm gonna get into music and I'm gonna yeah me set the standard in LA for hip hop.
SPEAKER_01Actually, man, I got I got pulled into the music business around about 1989-88 with Pop L Q Laquan. Okay, and Laquan had a gold-selling CD at that time, single, uh Welcome to the B Side. And he was into that, that was his world. He walked up to me in the Fox Hill Mall at the time was named the Fox Hill Mall on Slawson in Sepova and wanted me to manage him, and he recruited me. And as a result of him recruiting me to do music and to be on music, I started moving in music, and eventually my homeboy Lamar Broomfield introduced me to Corrupt and me corrupting uh Tone Tobin, Bronco T J T. We used to all be at Tom Tobin house in the garage, clowning and just having fun. I was getting a lot of money at the time, in and out of Minnesota, so in other places, so it was only natural you want to go mess with somebody who was having a bag. You don't want to go mess with somebody who wasn't if you feel you needed it. And at that time, there really wasn't no gang influence in music like it is today, you know what I mean? So he was really coming to bring me in just on wanting to bring me in. I didn't, it wasn't no need to have gang members because rappers wasn't having the money we was having at that time. We was just dope dealers, we were the rappers, we were the we were the highlight of the show. We came to the party, it was talking about us. It wasn't it wasn't really about no rappers at that time, right? So um, my first introduction to music came through Laquan, Papa Q. Now Kennedy King P. I'm sorry. He's Kenny King Porrupt.
SPEAKER_02How about your uh your relationship with corrupt? I mean, and um you you met corrupt in show the night, right? So you was on death row and you met corrupt in show the night.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, I uh uh no, okay. No, I met corrupt before I went to prison. I met Lequan first, and then I met Pop LQ. I mean, I met Lequan, who was Pop LQ, and Kenny Keenpin, that's the same person. So his name is Pop L Q at the time when I met him, Kenny Keenpin. Uh and right now he's called Kenny Keenpin. I met corrupt in 1988. I went to prison in 1991 and did 13 years. While I was in prison doing time, corrupt was rapping about me in songs. Corrupt had a hit song called when he left Death Road called We Can Freak It.
SPEAKER_00And at the end of We Can Freak It, he says, Big U. We love you though.
SPEAKER_01Me and Corrupt relationship was based off of one day, one day corrupt was corrupt. I put up a corrupt, I already had met corrupt through Lamont Broomfield, who later sued sued Sug Knight for signing corrupt behind his back. So I met corrupt through Lamont Broomfield, like about 1988, 89. And me and Corrupt was establishing a relationship, you know, going back and forth, meeting in uh at um Tone Toba's garage, and he was doing music. Shortly after that, I go out of town, I come back. Some of my little homeboys is about to go take off on, you know, and do what they do. I look in the car to see who all in the car, and corrupt is in the car. And I tell corrupt, I'm asked corrupt, like, are you the rapper? You ain't you the rapper, the one that Lamont got? And he was like, Yeah. And I'm like, bro, what you doing in the car with these dudes? You don't need to be going to go do what they about to go do. And I pull corrupt out the car. I literally made corrupt get out the car and told corrupt, you're gonna be the rapper. If you want to do something, go be a great rapper and bring these niggas, take these niggas out the hood. You can help them like that. You don't need to be going to go do nothing else. And right after that, maybe I see corrupt maybe two times after that. We I had just started delicious entertainment. I was finna sign a deal with corrupt. Me and the mom was working out a situation, and I went to jail. Three years in my sentence of me, three to four years after me doing time. I don't even know corrupt is a part of the dog pound. I don't even know the name. This man don't owe me nothing. He didn't owe me nothing. I never gave him no money, I never had actually had the time to finish signing him. He didn't owe me jack shit, bro. I never produced his music. He sends, I get a letter with $3,400 in it, or maybe $800, I can't remember the exact number, but it was like three thousand. I know for sure it was three thousand dollars or something because the restitution takes a part of the money when you sent us right, and I it wasn't it was just a letter, and then about five days later, the pictures come, and his pictures are corrupt, and some of the homies. And my when I we got off live, then I called my wife and she was like, Did you get the pictures from Ricky? And I'm like, Who the fuck is that? But I already had got the pictures, so I'm like, That's corrupt, right? The little rapper dude. She likes yeah, and he really kept me on, and he did a couple of shows for me. So I was producing shows with corrupt while I was in prison.
SPEAKER_05I was gonna ask you that.
SPEAKER_01I did Snoop, Daz, and Corrupt the Dog Pound. I put the jerseys on the set unique CDs on Soul Train. I'm the first one to go get the jerseys with I had Snoop with the 21. No, Daz had the 20, 21, Snoop had the 20, and corrupt had the 60. And I made those.
SPEAKER_05So how connected were you in the industry? I'm sorry, how connected were you in the industry do you through your time? I know you said the first three years you were corrupt. Did you kind of stay connected to the industry throughout your time?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I was pretty much messing with the industry the whole time I was gone. My little brother got killed with corrupt around about 99 at the studio. And like I said, with corrupt, I was always connected. Then with corrupt success, it made it easier for me to be connected. You know, I was right there walking him through when he's when he left Death Roll and went to Andra. I was right there walking him through when he came back to Death Roll from Antra. So I was always in music.
SPEAKER_02No doubt now. Let's move up a little bit. At what point did you um meet Nipsey? I heard you telling the story about you know that you pretty much, you know, he lived with you at one point. You know, you funded his career early on. Could you talk about meeting Nipsey Hustle?
SPEAKER_01Yep. Yeah, I met Nip 2007, 2006, 2006, 2007. It was shortly after I came home. If y'all remember corrupt left death road and went back to went back to do the dog pound. When corrupt left back, left death row to go back to do the dog pound. That's when I started looking for I left and started looking for another artist. That's when I started looking for Nipsey. My nephew shortstop, my nephew shortstop told me to go find Nipsey because they have been trying to get on. I'm in front of your place, dog.
SPEAKER_05How special was he early? Like like looking at Nip.
SPEAKER_01I'm in front of your place.
SPEAKER_05My fault.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Now looking at a young nip and looking at his development, how early did you know he was something something real, something special?
SPEAKER_01You said again?
SPEAKER_05I said once you met Nip and you started seeing him in the studio. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? Okay. I said once you okay. Once you once you met Nip and you got Nip in the studio and you started feeling this vibe and understanding what he could do musically, how early on was it till you realize he was for something special?
SPEAKER_01Shit, I realized he was something special after I first I wouldn't have put no time into him if I didn't feel like he was special. And you know, at that time you got to put your money in it. Like if you find an artist or somebody that you're dealing with, you got to put your money in that person to your money and your time to make sure that it's gonna work. Because you gotta remember when I started when I first started dealing with Nip. When I first started dealing with Nip, his brother just went was on his way to prison. So we was we we was dealing as you know, um, we were trying to get the thing done. His brother was on his way to prison. They was losing the property that Nip was at, you know. So Nip ended up staying in my condo in Harton. And so I had a condo in Hawthorne, then I had another spot on the 103rd. So we had got the studio equipment, put it on heart, put it in hearth on. Lil Bro was staying there, and we started moving. And it wasn't until we actually signed the deal with Sony that he got his own place in the Palazzo. So once he got it, he talks about it, he talks about it all the time. Right. We talked about it before he actually, you know what happened, but yeah. So he stayed, he stayed with us, but it was like he already had the song Bullets Ain't Got No Names. Yeah, Bullets ain't got no names. A couple of little a couple of songs that was biting, but I felt like from being with Corrupt and being the big studios and being around, try to drain them, produce products that it that I felt like he could get to that next level, right? You know what I mean? He just needed he just needed somebody else to give him direction and show him how to really kind of like put the music together because you know, I want to get in with major producers, and you can see how young people are like 17, 18, 19, getting into music, they grow, and as they get older and older, they become more, they become you know good at doing the music, you know, hearing the beats, learning how to ride the beats and doing that stuff, right? But because I was already seasoned in it and I already had the relationships, I just came with that more, you know. I mean, but he was a talent all the way through and through, you know. I mean, he was such a talent, bro. You could see it right now.
SPEAKER_02Now, is it true that you were responsible for kind of because when you first got with him, obviously, he was a lot of gangster rap. Then he at a point he transitioned to more of a conscious talking about like money and making money. Did you influence him to do that as well?
SPEAKER_01Well, I was already doing it. You gotta understand that when I came home, I was already I've always been black conscious. Let me say that. I've always pushed that. When I came home, I was already we're not doing no color lines. I didn't want to do that, I didn't want music that was disrespecting people. I went through all of our videos, I went through all of the songs, and I made sure that we did not disrespect other sets. And I pushed the line, I pushed the line on that not only just him, but on my whole neighborhood. That for us to be great and for this area to be recognized for greatness, we have to be able to show other people respect. And then we're gonna manage and demand our respect along the way. I was already buying property, like I said, he was already standing at one of my properties, so I was showing them that he had already experienced them losing the piece of property, which they had they were buying on 85th. So he already knew what it you know how what it meant to lose or what foreclosure was. So I was teaching him about that, and because he was going through it, and so he knew that. So he wanted to learn. So by him going through things, he wanted to learn the right way to do it, you know what I'm saying? And so it was right at that time that I came in, and he was on, he was young, so he was talking young, you know what I mean, and I was the Old guy who was more on the unity, more on the black conscious. I had already had developing option, was doing ganger divinity with the city already. So that was my mentality.
SPEAKER_02Right, right. Now, how did it make you feel when rumors started circling around the internet that you may have had something to do with his death a couple of years ago? I know you said that your family took it real bad, but how'd that make you feel?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, it was hard on my family more than anything. Let me tell you what's was crazy. I think two days after he was killed, Suge called me. And Suge said, Get ready. And I'm like, get ready for what? And he was like, Because they're gonna blame you. I'm like, man, they got the dude who did it. Like, why the fuck would they blame me? Because it just didn't make sense to me, right? And you gotta remember, I was gone when they blame Suge for Pac, and they blame Big, I mean, uh Diddy for big, and they blame every I was gone, so I don't know all this. I'm gone, you know what I mean. And it was crazy how Suge said that, and right after Suge said that I start seeing little shit on the internet, and then you start seeing people building their platforms off of saying this shit, you know what I mean. Then you have people cutting up my words, adding little things, and then it just pitfalls from there, you know what I mean, and it goes from there, but then being like a being who I am, like, bro. I'm I'm I'm a street nigga, I don't know how to, you know, like you know what I mean. So that kind of works against you because I'm not gonna go, you know, address all this bullshit and say all the kind of shit because I'm the kind of person who would like let me see it head on, you know what I mean? This shit was new to me. I never even had an experience, I wouldn't even know how to tell nobody to deal with it today because it's so foolish when you got all the evidence. Like, what is there for me to really say? Like, that's like you telling you and your partner, somebody saying you killed that man sitting next to you, yeah. And they got the man in jail for it, and they know the conversation they had before that, and they know that they had problems before that, but like you know, I mean, so it's kind of like you want to feel like this shit is so ridiculous that why address it, but then it just keeps going. Then you got one person, they seen that they got 2,000 hits for saying big you did something this year. Then you get another person, they seen they got 15,000 hits, so now they're sitting in their roof behind their computers and they coming up with the most grand stories they can come up with. Yeah, so how do you you know how do you deal with that? You can't, yeah, and then it gets even worse than that because even the people who know the truth they don't want to deal with you because they're scared of what the public outcry might be, you know. I mean, like, damn man, we know you ain't had nothing to do with it, but you still don't want to be in a room with the person that's being accused of. Like, come on, man, this man got a letter from the president. Do you think anybody who had anything to do with that would be free? Right, that's a free he got a letter from Obama, right? Daddy got 4,000 FBI, CIA, DEA's, and whoever ain't nobody had anything to do with that man's demise gonna be free. He got a letter from the president. Who we know got a letter from the president?
SPEAKER_02Nobody, I know.
SPEAKER_05Maybe Trump gave one a little win. We don't know.
SPEAKER_02Now with that being said, now with that being said, the are you are you cool with his family?
SPEAKER_01Hold on one second, man.
SPEAKER_02Now with that um being said, let me still know what you good to go. All right, now with that being said, how do you feel about his death being as though you're so close to him?
SPEAKER_01And do you have a relationship with Nipsey's family, or did you ever have a relationship with hip hop uncover on my documentary? They want to see any of that. Like I I covered it thoroughly. Okay, on I covered it thoroughly in my documentary. That's that's the reason why I did it. So you know, I mean, they go check out hip hop uncover, man. They're gonna see the whole story, they're gonna get the whole get out where I am, where I'm at with the family, where I'm at with this, you know what I'm saying? What's next? But that's what that's why I did the documentary. That's why I did it so people can see something and they can really get the facts behind everything. They can get my story, they can get Haitian Jack's story. That's why we wanted Haiti and Jack to be able to talk about this situation with Pac. Because we never got a chance to tell, we never get a chance to tell our story uninterrupted, you know what I mean. So they need to go dissect hip hop uncovered, and you get all of that.
SPEAKER_05We we two years almost hit a day. Yesterday was the day of Nipsey Hustle's passing.
SPEAKER_00We went out there was yes, sir.
SPEAKER_05We went out there a couple months after that and got to visit it while we were on our trip to LA and we just felt the energy for 20 minutes. We don't live out there, we 3,000 miles away. How is the energy now out there losing such a great person and such an impact on the community like Nipsey Hustle? How is the energy now out there in Crenshaw as you drive out there?
SPEAKER_01I mean, uh, I don't know what you mean when you say how the energy is. It's kind of like, you know, they was they was honoring him all day yesterday.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01I was on the road coming back from San Diego. I pulled up late after everything because I went to San Diego with my family or my grandkids. But they was honoring him yesterday. We're gonna continue to honor him for the rest of the rest of our days, my days, you know what I mean. But the the energy is still strong, you know what I mean? Like, it's still new. Two years is two years, it's kind of like the shit's just happened. It ain't even like you know what I mean, like you still, you know, I when you lose a loved one, it's kind of like you know, you you don't get over that in two years, although a lot of people in our neighborhood is used to death, right? You know, coming and going, but you're not used to somebody such, you know, somebody of such a big magnitude, and then to us, he was at a big magnitude, but then to the world he became even bigger. So to us, to us, even when people didn't even know who he was, he was already our chosen champ, right? Like our area had already chosen as the champ. That's why everybody supported him, t-shirts, clothes, books, whatever he was doing. It was he was already being chosen, he was chosen by us. You know what I mean? I mean, I want to ask you, we could say we we already knew, right.
SPEAKER_05I want to ask you about Cowboy. Now, he's been on the internet very vouching for I just pulled up from him just now.
SPEAKER_01Oh damn, y'all didn't see me when I when he was asking that question. That was him. I was put I turned the phone too. I can't now we have to go back and look at the pre-play.
SPEAKER_02We couldn't see it. Hell no.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, when I said y'all don't mind. I'm uh because my manager is in my ear. She talking to me in my ear. Okay, okay, and she said, Don't put that photo. That was him. I I was finna call him to the court.
SPEAKER_04She said, Damn, you were going in and out, so we really couldn't tell and said, Man, we can get him next time now. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_05We know I want to ask you about him because Jay Stone was live, and he was saying that cowboy had nothing to do with all money and had nothing to do with Nipsey Hustle. Well, what's your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_01Shit, bro. I can't give you no thought on that because that was their crew. I know I okay, I I know for a fact Jay Stone. I mean, Cowboy was with Nip every day, so I don't know how he didn't have nothing to do with that, but I can't sell I can't tell Jay Star what his truth is, right? But I know cowboy was there. Shit, cowboy was there when he cowboy was there when he died. So how does that work?
SPEAKER_02Right, right. He was in the store outside of the store, or something like that.
SPEAKER_01You can actually answer that. You you can you can you can action ask for that yourself, yeah.
SPEAKER_05Facts.
SPEAKER_01You don't need my opinion on that. All I all I know is cowboy was there when the man when the man passed, right? And if my understanding, it was cowboy phone that Pose called Sam or called the police, one of them. So I mean, I don't understand.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's something they got to deal with.
SPEAKER_01No, we see because you gotta you gotta understand, right? You gotta understand everybody has their own relationship with with each individual. That's like both of you guys, you know. You might have a relationship with somebody, and your your your your co-partner may not deal with them that much, he just deal with them enough to he just deal with them enough to pass the day by, right? You know what I mean? But they ain't slapping no bones and going to each other's house and and passing over no wine grapes or none of that. But he is though, he passing over wine grapes with him, so he might feel one way about that person, and it's hard for me to say that that Nip didn't have a relationship with Cowboy when Nip is named after him. Cowboy is in fact big Thunder Cat, and Nip is little Thunder Cat. Damn. So I would think that in how how our neighborhood works, and most neighborhoods in LA work, you're gonna always have a connection with your big own. You're gonna always almost almost always have a connection with your name, which let me say your namesake, because you named after this dude, right? You know what I mean? And he was right there with him, so I don't know, but Jay Stone, my low though.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, shout out to everybody out there, man.
SPEAKER_02Now we we see you sitting down a lot with uh Wack 100. This is my last Nipsey question as well. We see we see you sitting down with him a lot, a lot of interviews, but he has over the last couple of years said some things that people thought were kind of disrespectful, you know, of Nipsey Hustle. Did you ever have any words with him or tell him, you know, how you felt about that that you would like to share with the people?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I tell him all the time, but you gotta realize whack is whack is is directional. So basically, it ain't always to me, he ain't saying nothing that he didn't he feel. He felt he feels that you know, you know, he's telling your truth, and I tell him all the time, it's the way that you say it. Yeah, it ain't always gotta be that you not you lying, but the way you say it and the way you present it, you know what I mean. But he ain't lying if he feels like my little dude wasn't a legend in his eyes because he was a legend in mine, you know what I mean? Like I'm not gonna fight with no how you feel because I know I felt I chose him, I put my energy behind him. I knew what he was gonna be, you know, living or dead. Indeed, I'm the one said that when nobody else knew, I said that this is gonna be the one, you know what I mean? So it don't matter, he got to remember him. It was a whole lot of people, and I'm not gonna say their names. Who was talking about he looked too much like Snoop? His voice is squeaky, he can't use the name Nipsey Hustle because it's already somebody named Nipsey Hustle or Nipsey Russell. They wanted us to do a whole lot of shit, bro. They was like, nah, I can't no crip get on. So that didn't do nothing but fuel the fire.
SPEAKER_05Appreciate that. I want to transition out a little bit into hip shit.
SPEAKER_01And what did he do?
SPEAKER_05Oh, go ahead, brother. I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_01I said, what did he do? He showed the world. Now my now my guy's name is name pictures and and and presence is plastered all over the world. Now the question would be, is he a legend right now?
SPEAKER_05Oh, absolutely.
SPEAKER_01You fucking better believe it he's a legend.
SPEAKER_05Absolutely. He's sitting on our wall right behind us as we speak.
SPEAKER_01So why we why we care what somebody else say, bro? Why we care about what somebody else say? Let that man have his own words, bro. The proof is in the pin, proof is in the pudding.
SPEAKER_05Indeed. I want to talk about hip hop now, man. You you you started the conversation saying that you boxed, you practiced martial arts, you were real savvy with the hands and the feet, and you didn't mind it getting dirty if you had to either. But this new age of hip hop and these new generations, they go right to the gun and they go to shoot motherfuckers. Now, I know we've had, or you've had, excuse me, conversations with some of the youth, Kwando Rondo being one of them as of late. Not to talk about him personally, but just hip hop in general in the young age of hip hop. Do you think they're really built for what they're showing on social media, what they're portraying, and then what they're living on the street?
SPEAKER_01I don't know, man. I think a lot of them are a lot of them. I mean, shit, you're picking up the you're picking up these guns, and they ain't got no choice. Once you use that gun and you get that case, you know, if you're built or not, either you're gonna be getting the the problem. Is not them actually doing it, doing the crime, because anybody can pick up a gun, a three-year-old can pick up a gun. But what's gonna happen to you after you do that crime is the question. That's the thing that people don't see, you know what I mean. Like, we don't paint that picture because I believe honestly that any youngster with a gun can knock your head off. Yeah, and I think the reason why I'm here so long is because I respect that. Yeah, I don't underestimate no no youngster with an attitude of a gun. You know what I mean? And that go from my neighborhood, anywhere else, or anything I do. I'ma show I'ma show respect to whatever and whoever's moving, you know what I mean? Because that could be a vital mistake in your um your existence to not do it. Now I'm a I'ma sorry, go ahead. I'ma say I'ma say I think what we see in hip hop today is more acting out of the violence that was not acted out in previous generations. So I don't know if we can blame this generation because there used to, and there's always been beefs in hip hop, always. It used to be LL QJ versus Kumod. It was NWA versus Ice Cube. Well, in today's time, the difference is these same beefs now can don't get real. Like, what level of beef are we on? And that's what happens. That's why we see a different level of engagement.
SPEAKER_02You think it's the you think it's the message?
SPEAKER_01I don't know if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_05No, it does.
SPEAKER_02What do you think about the message that these dudes is putting out? We all can you can you hear me? Yeah, okay. I was saying, what do you think about the message?
SPEAKER_01When you say go ahead, it's the same message, it's the same message from back in the days. These dudes always been beefing, it's always been beefing hip hop. I don't think we could sit here and blame this generation of rappers and say that this generation are worse than the other generation of rappers, you know, because it's not true. You know, I like to I always talk about the drug use, then the drug use is different because in our generation, we were talking about selling the drugs. This generation is talking about and using the drugs, so a lot of them are losing their their their connection, their connection to the world mentally. So a lot of these youngsters we're dealing with, man, are really kind of kind of not there. You know what I mean? With this lean that they're taking, this lean is really hair on, so they hooked them this hair on, it's driving them crazy. They're taking psychiatric drugs that's meant for people who have psychiatric illnesses and not realizing if you take something that's meant for somebody who has a psychiatric illness, right, and you don't have one, don't you think you're gonna develop one in some kind of way, but they don't realize that. So a lot of these kids that be talking about doing stuff on these songs really fucking may be serious, yeah. You know what I mean? Because I mean they're taking psychiatric drugs. You pull up on these kids nowadays that they took Adderall, Percocet, and some lean. Man, I'm not finna think this nigga not gonna do everything that he said he's gonna do. With me, I'ma I'm gonna believe everything he said, yeah, and I'ma act accordingly. I'm gonna act accordingly, man. These dudes are talking about they're gonna kill everything and shoot everything, and I got my pistol. Man, I'm gonna believe everything this dude said.
SPEAKER_02Did you ever talk to Rondo again? Because I know um at a point you said you were gonna get next to him and talk to him. Did you ever speak?
SPEAKER_01No, I talked to him, I talked to nephew that day. Okay, I'm gonna do an interview on him. I gotta show him doing called checking in. I'm finna interview him. That's dope. No, because I don't believe in down and youngsters. I I just feel like you know, it's a certain level of respect that we all should have in the way we should do business. You know what I mean? He's a good kid, man, and I think he got caught in a bad situation with that other thing. But with me and him, it ain't nothing that we can't fix because he he a good kid, and I and I like him, and I got a great deal of respect for him. You know what I mean? I put out a thing, I put I put out a thing that day once I realized how they was trying to take the thing viral, and um, and I have no intentions and I meant no disrespect to him, but other than the fact that I feel like I should be respecting the fact that when you called me, called me right. And then, like he said, I was calling you to make a donation, and you were wrong. And I told him, you know what, uh, you know what, nephew, I was wrong because if we from the same plane, I shouldn't have said nothing, but I was in my feelings because of how you know it went down. So my nephew said I was wrong, and I said I was wrong too. Shit, I was wrong.
SPEAKER_05Appreciate that, man.
SPEAKER_01But that's how grown men are supposed to be, or instead of going to a gun and want to fight, you know what I mean? I'ma admit when I'm wrong, bro. I'm 54 years old. You understand what I'm saying? Appreciate that.
SPEAKER_05Accountability is everything, man. And it's what we try to preach on the show. Accountability is everything, and you know, it hip hop has a lot to do with the culture, whether whether we want it to or not, it definitely is influencing the blood life of the culture. How can we, as media, how can we as a yeah, absolutely. How can we as a people disseminate the right message? Because you see a lot of media outlets popping up and they don't all display the send the right message. You see a lot of beef shit. That's the shit that goes, and that's the shit that's but how do we do better for our culture?
SPEAKER_01And and that's what I was I have. I had a I had a talk with a youngster the other day, and I was talking to him when I was doing an interview, and I was like, see, the problem is you guys focus on the negative because you need to you need to get the sound bite. So when I was we was talking, and I and I and I was telling him that you're not really an aid to hip hop, you're not an aid to our culture, and he wasn't one of us, he was somebody else who was doing the interview. And then I was telling him because see your depiction of our culture coming from you, which your audience is more Caucasian, probably, because you're Caucasian. Right, it's gonna be if you go chase the sound bites, oh big you said this about Nipsey family, big you said this about cowboy, big you said this about that. You're looking for the highlight, you're looking for the way to get people to come and galvanize, you're looking for the negative in the in the in the in the in the subject. That's not how you help to build hip hop, but it doesn't help to build your brand either, which brings me to why I'm doing my show, you know what I'm saying? Because I want to be able to tell, tell.
SPEAKER_03Can you still hear us?
SPEAKER_05Can you hear us, brother?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_05All right, what were you saying?
SPEAKER_01No, and I was saying that um the reason why I'm doing my podcast called Checking In is because I don't I'm not I don't want to gun the people down for you know wanting to be wanting to say something or having a story. I don't want to go sensitive what they do on the Quavo. You know what I mean? Like, who can't see the Quavo didn't hurt this girl? Who can't see the Quavo was trying to get his property back? You know what I mean? So, but if what where does a man stand in this world? Does a man stand in the fact that look, basically it's a robbery? She's taking this thing. Now, if he called the police, he's a bitch nigga. He called Police on a woman, he whooped he whoop whoop. He could have had. But if you get your stuff back and leave it alone at that, and you move on out the elevator with getting your property back, you're still vilified.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So that's that's how you help hip hop. But we you can't champion that because if you champion that, then people that's in the power and some woman, he still shouldn't have never touched her. He could have handled it a different way. Yeah, what letting her take his property and run? Like, I mean, and and we talk about this woman thing, man. We live in a woman's world just to keep it 100.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, audio went out.
SPEAKER_01Nah, these people keep calling my phone.
SPEAKER_02Oh, all right, all right. You were saying you live in a live in a woman's world, just the last thought.
SPEAKER_01We live in a woman, we live in a woman's world right now, bro. I mean, look at certain situations with other people. You can't even take a woman, you can't buy a woman a drink no more. Oh, because that could turn to something else. If you smoke with a woman and get hired with a woman and go have sex with her, that could turn to something else. If you invite a woman to a priest, which that can turn into something else, and if you go get a hotel, that can turn to something else, and then don't let no foot no female fly out of town with you, my nigga, and you pay for the plane ticket. Well what that bitch is turning to something else, yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Damn.
SPEAKER_01Where are we in the where all we mean? And it's just hip hop. Like I was, I was looking at the governor, and he was saying, Man, we the governor of New York, man, we in the council world. And I and and and and and and and I hate to feel like this, but I can't let no woman work for me that ain't my family no more. I don't even want you around.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, the truth.
SPEAKER_01You can't, and and and what else, what attitude can we take? Right? Oh, that's sex is racist. But guess what? You won't be suing me, right? No, you won't be saying if I say you have a nice dress on, you look good today. Oh my god, he just approached me.
SPEAKER_05He assaulted me.
SPEAKER_01Oh, come on, man.
SPEAKER_02Now, now you know T.I. I'm I'm sure you're good friends with T.I., right? What do you think about what he's going through right now in the media with that on certain situations similar to that?
SPEAKER_01Hey man, listen, man. I don't want to get accused or nothing.
SPEAKER_05I hear you word up. Yeah, you say shit out here.
SPEAKER_01You know what I'm saying? Hey, look, man, you can't even take let me just say this to you.
SPEAKER_00We in an era now where you can't even meet a woman in the bar, and I'll say it again.
SPEAKER_01Nah, baby, I'm gonna need you to get sober, go home, come back, sign this paperwork saying that we're about to have oral sex and everything we about to do, and how long we're gonna do it. And then it's a situation where if a woman, even if you have a sex with the woman, she can say stop in the middle of the third stroke, and you gotta stop. Like, what?
SPEAKER_05Wait a minute, the fucking thing, you know, yeah, this this hip hop on a deeper level, though, it's almost like they don't want women and men fucking at all, and they putting that on our babies, so babies, man.
SPEAKER_01Look, it's a it's a cancer coach, yeah.
SPEAKER_05How do we how do we combat that?
SPEAKER_01I don't know what to do, man. I'm 54. I'm 54 years old. I'm closer to getting out of this mug than I am coming in. It's kind of gonna be y'all's to deal with for the next 25 years. I'm married, I ain't gotta deal with no women in no way. You know what I mean? I'm out, I'm I'm out the game, but I just feel for my sons. You know what I mean? I feel my sons, I feel for y'all. I'm writing a story that kind of I'm writing a story that kind of deals with that. You know what I mean? I got two more documentaries I'm doing. I got a movie I'm doing. I just launched my own, uh, my I just relaunched my music label, unique distribution. So I got a big distribution company for people to be able to distribute music. So I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm moving in that way, but my my whole love and my my passion is film. That's how I made the documentary. And and I think that's the question y'all mix. How did this documentary get made? It got made because I've been doing film now for the last 17 years, right? You know what I mean? So it I wasn't in music, I hadn't been in music until Nipsey called me back into music. Right, you know what I mean? I had dabbled in music, dabbling in arts, but after Sandman died, I kind of left music alone. And so I didn't really get back into messing with music until Nipsey called me to um to go do music again with him, and he wanted me to go with him to he wanted me to go with him to New York, and so that's what I did do. And after that, I came back and I signed OSBS. And that's how I actually got back into this music game. But doing film and music, I mean, doing film has always been my passion. Okay, my manager's on my manager is on my in my ear going crazy. She's saying I'm supposed to be on a three o'clock interview.
SPEAKER_02All right, we we good, man. We uh that's all we got anyway, bro. We appreciate you, man.
SPEAKER_01Hey, y'all here be back, man. I take y'all to go interview cowboy. You can hear from him. I'm gonna let's do it. Cowboy say what he got to say.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, indeed, man. We'll be able to get up through her.
SPEAKER_02All right, we got you. We got you. We do that ASAP. Drop your social media handles real quick for the people that's gonna see this. Hey, we'll get up out of here, bro. I appreciate you.