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And in Booby"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3472.201,"endTime":3475.724,"body":"Moon with two, there is a little"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3475.781,"endTime":3479.189,"body":"baby in the house, he's still"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3475.781,"endTime":3479.189,"body":"feeding. And it's a story that"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3479.246,"endTime":3482.655,"body":"you can use to explore feelings,"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3479.246,"endTime":3482.655,"body":"including some big and hard"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3482.712,"endTime":3486.234,"body":"feelings. 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You might find my last"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3510.664,"endTime":3514.016,"body":"episode on Weaning a Booby"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3510.664,"endTime":3514.016,"body":"Monster helpful if you are going"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3514.073,"endTime":3517.652,"body":"to be winning an older child. 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Next week, I"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3528.106,"endTime":3531.571,"body":"will be doing a q\u0026a episode that"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3528.106,"endTime":3531.571,"body":"covers some of the questions"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3531.628,"endTime":3534.81,"body":"I've received about weaning from"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3531.628,"endTime":3534.81,"body":"my Instagram followers."},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3534.81,"endTime":3538.985,"body":"Thank you for joining me today."},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3534.81,"endTime":3538.985,"body":"You can find me on Instagram"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3539.055,"endTime":3543.439,"body":"@EmmaPickettibclc and on Twitter"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":3539.055,"endTime":3543.439,"body":"@MakesMilk. 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