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What's the actually,"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1327.43,"endTime":1329.14,"body":"the barrier to conceiving?"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1329.17,"endTime":1331.72,"body":"The barrier is, so"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1329.17,"endTime":1331.72,"body":"you've got this master hormone"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1331.72,"endTime":1335.92,"body":"called gonadotrophin releasing"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1331.72,"endTime":1335.92,"body":"hormone, and it is sort of the"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1335.92,"endTime":1340.63,"body":"master switch, which it then"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1335.92,"endTime":1340.63,"body":"turns on things like follicle"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1340.63,"endTime":1343.84,"body":"stimulating hormone and, and all"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1340.63,"endTime":1343.84,"body":"these other things. 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Is it"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1374.26,"endTime":1377.83,"body":"as simple as you just got to"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1374.26,"endTime":1377.83,"body":"reduce your breastfeeding? And"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1377.83,"endTime":1380.35,"body":"what does that what would you"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1377.83,"endTime":1380.35,"body":"recommend they do? First, let's"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1380.35,"endTime":1383.35,"body":"imagine they are responsibly"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1380.35,"endTime":1383.35,"body":"feeding a toddler they're"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1383.35,"endTime":1386.32,"body":"feeding through the night as"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1383.35,"endTime":1386.32,"body":"well. 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And in order to increase"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1397.09,"endTime":1399.4,"body":"your fertility, you've got to"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1399.4,"endTime":1403.9,"body":"reduce that suppressive effect."},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1399.4,"endTime":1403.9,"body":"So there needs to be some kind"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1403.9,"endTime":1407.35,"body":"of change to the nursing"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1403.9,"endTime":1407.35,"body":"pattern, so that there's less"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1407.38,"endTime":1410.89,"body":"suppression that's going on. 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Yeah, I"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1525.79,"endTime":1528.67,"body":"think something's changing here."},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1525.79,"endTime":1528.67,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1528.7,"endTime":1530.86,"body":"Yep. Cervical"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1528.7,"endTime":1530.86,"body":"mucus. Let's talk about that in"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1530.86,"endTime":1533.08,"body":"a minute. Because that's where"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1530.86,"endTime":1533.08,"body":"that's really useful. One of the"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1533.08,"endTime":1536.17,"body":"things that's slightly something"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1533.08,"endTime":1536.17,"body":"that rubs me the wrong way. And"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1536.17,"endTime":1538.63,"body":"I'd be interested to know what"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1536.17,"endTime":1538.63,"body":"you think about this is I do"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1538.63,"endTime":1540.7,"body":"come across some people saying,"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1538.63,"endTime":1540.7,"body":"Oh, don't worry, you don't need"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1540.7,"endTime":1542.68,"body":"your period to get pregnant"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1540.7,"endTime":1542.68,"body":"again, when you're"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1542.68,"endTime":1546.01,"body":"breastfeeding. You know, you can"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1542.68,"endTime":1546.01,"body":"catch the first egg. You know,"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1546.01,"endTime":1549.43,"body":"my cousin caught the first egg"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1546.01,"endTime":1549.43,"body":"and didn't have a period. And so"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1549.43,"endTime":1551.92,"body":"did my neighbour. And I just"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1549.43,"endTime":1551.92,"body":"think, Oh, I really wish people"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1551.92,"endTime":1555.7,"body":"wouldn't hammer that home"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1551.92,"endTime":1555.7,"body":"because it's so unusual. Am I"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1555.7,"endTime":1557.41,"body":"right in thinking that it's"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1555.7,"endTime":1557.41,"body":"really rare?"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1557.44,"endTime":1560.74,"body":"Yeah, you are, you"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1557.44,"endTime":1560.74,"body":"are. So there's rare. And"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1560.74,"endTime":1563.29,"body":"there's uncommon, though, I"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1560.74,"endTime":1563.29,"body":"don't think it's I think it's"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1563.29,"endTime":1566.86,"body":"not rare. And that's why this"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1563.29,"endTime":1566.86,"body":"myth kind of stays alike. But it"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1566.86,"endTime":1570.34,"body":"is not common. It is definitely"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1566.86,"endTime":1570.34,"body":"not common. And there is a"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1570.34,"endTime":1573.64,"body":"little bit of research on this"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1570.34,"endTime":1573.64,"body":"night. It's old. It's all"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1573.64,"endTime":1578.14,"body":"research. But there's three or"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1573.64,"endTime":1578.14,"body":"four studies or and all of them"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1578.14,"endTime":1582.61,"body":"seem to suggest that it's about"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1578.14,"endTime":1582.61,"body":"5% of people that get pregnant"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1582.64,"endTime":1586.45,"body":"and managed to catch that very"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1582.64,"endTime":1586.45,"body":"first egg. But the vast majority"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1586.45,"endTime":1589.06,"body":"of people first time they have"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1586.45,"endTime":1589.06,"body":"their period, there is not going"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1589.06,"endTime":1593.29,"body":"to have been an egg before it."},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1589.06,"endTime":1593.29,"body":"And I think it's really unfair"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1593.59,"endTime":1596.62,"body":"to tell people you can get"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1593.59,"endTime":1596.62,"body":"pregnant anyway, just keep"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1596.62,"endTime":1600.34,"body":"going. Just carry on and and see"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1596.62,"endTime":1600.34,"body":"what happens, you might catch"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1600.34,"endTime":1603.91,"body":"that first egg, because the"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1600.34,"endTime":1603.91,"body":"likelihood is that that is not"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1603.91,"endTime":1607.0,"body":"going to happen. If you're not"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1603.91,"endTime":1607.0,"body":"ovulating, there's not a chance"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1607.03,"endTime":1610.33,"body":"that you're gonna get pregnant."},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1607.03,"endTime":1610.33,"body":"And it's very, very unlikely"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1610.33,"endTime":1613.33,"body":"that you're ovulating if you"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1610.33,"endTime":1613.33,"body":"haven't started menstruating"},{"speaker":"Carol Smyth","startTime":1613.33,"endTime":1613.75,"body":"again."},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1614.02,"endTime":1616.81,"body":"Yeah. So let's"},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1614.02,"endTime":1616.81,"body":"let's talk about cervical mucus."},{"speaker":"Emma Pickett","startTime":1616.84,"endTime":1620.38,"body":"So signs of ovulation. 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