The Land Showed Us What We Never Knew Before - We DIDN'T EXPECT THIS!

I'm thrilled to share some incredible insights from our latest episode. This time, I had the pleasure of chatting with Marlene and Douglas French Mullen about their transformative journey towards sustainable living on their land, "Sli Na Bande," which translates to "the way of the goddess." Their story is a beautiful blend of eco-friendly innovation and deep spiritual connection. Here are some highlights that you won't want to miss:

🌱 Key Takeaways from Our Conversation:
Early Environmental Awakening:

Marlene's passion for sustainability was ignited at a young age in Belgium, where she witnessed the devastating effects of pollution on local rivers.
Her dissertation on the Club of Rome's report at 18 further fueled her commitment to eco-friendly living.

The land was initially a barren mushroom farm, but Marlene and Douglas transformed it into a thriving eco-friendly haven.
They faced numerous challenges, including infertile soil and local disturbances, but their perseverance paid off.
Spiritual Connection:

A pivotal moment came when Douglas had a vision of a funeral procession, leading them to seek permission from the land through a medicine circle.
This practice involved connecting with the land's energies, resulting in a harmonious relationship and support from the land.
Community and Healing:

Marlene and Douglas have opened their home to a community of seekers, hosting retreats and ceremonies that foster connection and healing.
Their commitment to sustainability extends to their food, which is organic and beautifully presented, honoring Marlene's mother's legacy.
Innovative Eco-Friendly Solutions:

They installed a water cleaning system that uses plants and microorganisms to purify water, showcasing a cyclical approach to waste.
Douglas has explored alternative energy sources, including solar panels and wind generators, and even converted cars to run on vegetable oil.
Sweat Lodge and Spiritual Practices:

The sweat lodge on their land is a Native American healing ceremony that has brought profound spiritual experiences to many participants.
Marlene runs the sweat lodges with deep respect for tradition, creating a space for prayer and communal energy.

The name and the beautiful mural on the gates symbolize their journey and the community effort that has shaped their land.
Unexpected Contributions:

Many elements of their land, including the fairy figure on the gates, arrived organically through the contributions of others.
Historical Significance:

The land has a rich history, including tragic events on Slaughter Hill, where Irish rebels were executed.
Energy Readings:

The energy on their land has transformed over time, becoming more supportive and healing, as confirmed by dowsing rod measurements.
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This episode is packed with inspiring stories and practical insights that will leave you feeling motivated to connect more deeply with the earth and your community. Don't miss out on this incredible journey of sustainable living and spiritual awakening.

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Transcript

Marlene 00:00:00  So after Douglas's vision, I thought, no, we have to ask the permission. And I'm not saying if you don't get permission. So we asked our friends at the time who were on the same journey to do a medicine circle here. Again, it was quite volatile. I was sitting in the position of karma, and Douglas was sitting in the position of the dream, and behind me was huge activity, and Douglas was looking at that because he could see it and he could see the activity. And the karma of the land was so intense that one of the women sitting in another corner of the medicine wheel came to sit by me. She felt that corner needed to be strengthened and but at the end of the circle, the shaman, she said, you already have permission. They know what you want to do, but you just have to make sure that you stay in connection with them, right? And we made an agreement to leave a section of the land completely undisturbed, not build on it or do anything on it.

Marlene 00:01:05  Leave it for them.

Speaker 2 00:01:07  Welcome to the Endless Possibilities podcast, where the journey of spiritual awakening and energy healing unfolds.

Gareth 00:01:17  Hello and welcome to the Endless Possibilities podcast. My name is Garrett and I'm very happy to be here today with you, the viewers and the listeners, and to be sharing another incredible conversation with two very remarkable people, Marlene and Douglas French Mullan. Marlene and Douglas first built their home with sustainability eco living in mind. They planted over 3500 deciduous trees under five acres. They started to clean their own water successfully with natural reed bed system, and then started to supplement their energy requirements with wind and solar energy. The name of their land is called a bond, meaning the way of the goddess. And it's a sustainable living project. And they run yoga retreats, psychoanalysis, sustainable living, education, group work facilities and accommodation, shamanic ceremonies, sweat lodges. They host events. And yeah, they're very, very amazing to work with. I've done maybe ten retreats with them now at this stage, and I'm just delighted to have them here with me today, and for them to share the story of how that piece of land came about.

Gareth 00:02:39  So now, Marlene and Douglas, warm welcome to the podcast today. Thank you guys for joining me.

Marlene 00:02:46  Thank you for inviting us.

Gareth 00:02:49  Yeah, I'm really intrigued about learning the story, your story and Sheena Bundy's story and how it all started.

Marlene 00:02:56  Yes, yes, yes, it started a very long time ago, actually. My, my, Douglas and I wanted to live environmentally friendly, but my wake up call came very, very early in my life when I was about 5 or 6, when in Belgium, because I'm from Belgium. You could still fish in the in the rivers. Right? So there were the small rivers close to where we were living, and you could get your net and you could go out and catch something. Right, which was a great pastime at the time. And in around that same like by the time I was eight, say, right. That was impossible because the, there was the time of the great sort of blooming time after the Second World War and the not that I was born around the Second World War, but it was the sort of real, real economic bloom of that time.

Marlene 00:03:48  And people were getting washing machines, right. There was hundreds of washing machines going into those rivers which sits that high. Right. So all the fish dead. And I remember thinking, what's wrong with the adults? Right? Why can't they see that this is wrong? Right. But that was the first wake up call. And then nothing happened. Until when I was 18. When? When I had to start writing my dissertation on. And I wrote this on the report of the Club of Rome, which was the first computer report which came out at a time in the 70s on the destruction of the planet and the depletion of natural resources. And that did it. Right. I went, wow. So we can do it differently. It doesn't have to be done this way. And then I met Douglas at the same time, and we, thank God, think alike. The Douglas was immediately involved as well.

Gareth 00:04:50  And how did you guys meet? Because I know Douglas. You're from Dublin. And Marlene, you were in bed.

Gareth 00:04:54  So how did that come together?

Douglas 00:04:57  Wedding, but not ours. Yeah, yeah.

Marlene 00:05:04  Yeah. A friend I met a friend of Douglas in Spain and. And at the same time, Douglas's family were in Spain as well. But Douglas wasn't. And the next year, this Irishman invited me to his wedding. And Douglas was the best man at that wedding. So. So that was it. Okay.

Gareth 00:05:26  Yeah. Okay. And you and you moved over shortly?

Marlene 00:05:29  Well, no. For a long time, I was going backwards and forwards to Belgium, chasing him. And he was. He was playing hard to catch.

Douglas 00:05:39  Very slow. Right.

Marlene 00:05:42  And and so eventually we we got married in 1983, in the beginning of 1983. But that's but the the the interest was the same. You know, it wasn't it wasn't like, oh, then you get surprised that you have similar interests. So that was already there.

Gareth 00:06:02  Okay, okay. And I know our parts of kind of crossed in in, in the past because I know you were running a business in Dun Laoghaire for a long time, and I had a shop around the corner.

Gareth 00:06:14  I never knew, never knew. And you used to walk by and I think your daughter Jane, she actually came into my store a number of times and I spoke to her. I never made the connection until I was up there and I started to see the fans. And so were you. Were you running that business at the time? Douglas.

Douglas 00:06:30  Yeah. Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 00:06:31  Yeah yeah. Wow.

Douglas 00:06:32  Okay. Yeah. Since. Since late 1970s. Oh, wow. When I started. Yeah. Yeah.

Gareth 00:06:38  Okay. And then how did how did the the land come about?

Douglas 00:06:44  Well, well, Marlene had this idea that this is what she wanted to buy, and she In the way she does things. She just jumped at it and said, right, I'm going to go and do it now. And off she went. She found one spot which we couldn't buy, and then this spot came up. We looked at it. She went with my mother and didn't like it either because it was a dark, damp, dull day and the place was in the clouds.

Douglas 00:07:12  And then we went back. Well, two weeks later, had a look at it again, and it was a different, wholly different feel about it. So we rang the auctioneer. And the auctioneer, after a month still hadn't come back to us. I was driving up the road and and there was the second auctioneer sign up. So I rang that auctioneer and she said to me, put in a price and you'll get it. So I told Marlene, we did that and we had it bought the next day.

Gareth 00:07:43  And it.

Douglas 00:07:43  Was just.

Gareth 00:07:44  It was just sheep fields right at the time.

Douglas 00:07:46  Yeah. That was it was a mushroom farm.

Gareth 00:07:48  Okay.

Douglas 00:07:49  That's why you got all the concrete out here in the yard. It was an old mushroom farm, and that's where the tents were. You know, the mushroom tunnels were. But there was nothing else. It was just. There was no trees. One tree, one big tree down the end of the field. And that was it.

Gareth 00:08:05  And then you guys built, I believe, the hot tub first.

Douglas 00:08:11  No, no, no. We built what is now the Yoga Chalet. We built that first and lived in there.

Marlene 00:08:18  Actually. Correction. We did. We built a water cleaning system first.

Douglas 00:08:22  Oh, yeah. Put out anything? Yeah. Yeah. That's true.

Gareth 00:08:25  And was there anything. Was there anything? Water stream on the land or anything like that? No no no no no nothing.

Douglas 00:08:34  There was, there was a well but that was for the mushroom farm. But the mushroom farm was bankrupt. There was bags of mushroom compost all over the place, which we spent the first year collecting bags, didn't we? Disposing of all those. But other than that, no, there was nothing here. Absolutely nothing.

Gareth 00:08:54  Okay. And and tell me then. Like, how did the idea of Sheena Bandy like. So. So you built the yoga chalet first. And I know you lived in that, right?

Douglas 00:09:05  Yeah.

Gareth 00:09:05  Yeah. That was your home. Yeah. And there was no. There was never any intention of of having a retreat center.

Gareth 00:09:12  It was just.

Douglas 00:09:13  No, no, no.

Gareth 00:09:14  You just wanted to live in a kind of an eco friendly environment.

Douglas 00:09:18  And we were going to build a house because it was going to be, you know, over a few years. And then we were told that we had to have the house up to the eaves level, you know, up to roof level before the planning permission ran out. So we did that and we were just going to slowly carry on after that. And Marlene had people who wanted to rent the Yoga Chalet office, which was our house, so we had to move out of that on weekends and let the people do whatever they were doing in the valley, and then move back in again on Sunday night. She was not very convenient, to say the least, but it's a it's quite a it's quite. It was turned out to be quite a good space to work in. You see, that was the problem, which wasn't the original idea.

Gareth 00:10:07  Okay, okay. And I know a lot of the people came.

Gareth 00:10:11  They started to come. Right? People. Yeah. Yeah, they had musicians coming. All sorts of different people coming by because of the way you were. You were trying to live and. And were they trying to learn that way of living?

Marlene 00:10:23  Well, when we arrived, Douglas is correct about it. There is. It was just a field and that was great. But we were hoping at the time that it would be a little bit more fertile, that the land would be a little bit more fertile, but because it's so high up, it's not that great. The soil. But we the chalet wasn't the first thing we bought and we bought it for for not bought built. And we built it for very specific reasons. The first thing we put in actually was the water cleaning system. So before anything was here. One of these coincidences that I was talking about with you before we started was that we were still living in the Allegheny Park, and all of a sudden a newspaper article is in the post talking about water cleaning.

Marlene 00:11:12  But I didn't know who it was. A Belgian article and nobody, no no no name, nothing. And I thought, wow, that's amazing. That's environmentally friendly. I want to know how to do that. So the two of us went to Belgium.

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Marlene 00:12:08  To meet a guy who did that, who cleaned the water naturally with plants and with with nothing.

Marlene 00:12:15  No electricity, nothing. So just a completely organic system to clean water to drinking water quality. Like not just a little bit clean, perfectly clean. So we went to meet him and he had been he has been an incredible source of inspiration because he was on the same track. So we put that in first and the chalet just didn't turn up like that because Douglas, when we bought the land, there was no nothing here, like absolutely nothing here. So no fence, nothing. And I just wanted to put up the fence to say we're here. And Douglas said, absolutely not. This is not Germany. So he didn't want to put up the fence. So anyway, no fence. And then when, when, when when we would come here to try and build the chalet, the we find that. Oh, no, just plant some potatoes and onions. That was the first thing. We wanted to plant some potatoes and onions here and we did that. But when they were, when it was harvesting time, they were all gone.

Marlene 00:13:20  They were harvested for us, but they were all stolen and and used. A newspaper article came in to the Wicklow people to say theft of the onions and visitors.

Speaker 6 00:13:33  And where were they disappear into?

Gareth 00:13:35  Marlene? Was it a local or was it an animal?

Marlene 00:13:37  I have no idea. No idea. I don't know. I don't know where these potatoes and onions went, but they went right. So that was the time that Douglas agreed that maybe a fence wasn't such a bad idea, right?

Gareth 00:13:54  Or maybe it was the fairies of the forest. Maybe.

Marlene 00:13:57  Yeah, maybe. Maybe, I don't know. Anyway, these potatoes, they they they went and the onions as well. And then the. See, the thing was that there was a lot of disturbance on the land. So we would arrive here and some, some people were. I've stolen a car, driven the car up here, set fire to it and then disappear again. So we derive a burnt out car on the, on the concrete.

Marlene 00:14:24  And that happened a few times. So that was very disturbing. And then there was the Yucca chalet that we eventually built, not because we wanted to wait for the house to be built, but because there was so much disturbance. We couldn't We had to establish a presence here. Right. So Douglas started to build. And the yoga chalet, by the way, is entirely his idea because it has that funny shape. Because he found it in a book. Didn't you find that in a book anyway? Yeah. Yes. Well, anyway, we started building the yoga chalet out of necessity to have a presence here, and we were doing it ourselves because there was at the time we were all our money was going to go into the house, so it had to be a sort of a temporary thing, but it was very well built all the same. And it's still there.

Speaker 5 00:15:17  Yeah.

Marlene 00:15:17  But but it had a funny shape and it had it was, it was a very good location there anyway. And out of the way, you know, it's out of the way.

Marlene 00:15:27  It was going to be out of the way of the main house. But then one day we arrive here and that's where the whole thing really took off. It had 12 blocks windows, and one day the windows disappeared. They were butchered out of the building. And that's when. Douglas. That's when the actual spiritual journey started. Because that was very shocking, right? Because that's that I then I decided that I didn't want to live here anymore, that it was too, too, too disturbed to to to too much to do volatile. And we actually did put a land on the market again. But by that stage we had the fence up plus the price of the, the, the land, and we didn't even get an offer. There was just no interest. So there was 000 interest in this place after the fence was up. And because the the yoga chalet was very damaged, Douglas decided to live to to stay there during the night to see who was doing it right. So he he's.

Marlene 00:16:36  He stayed there with our dog at the time. Rebecca. And Shepherd, the German shepherd and his shotgun. So he was lying in the chalet that was totally damaged, and he had a vision. Do you want to tell your vision?

Douglas 00:16:54  Well, yeah. I suppose the procession came by from a funeral. And I remember at the time, waking up thinking. What? What's going on here? And it was an old it was probably an 18th century procession by looking at the people. Now they weren't looking at me. They just walked by me past down the pathway, heading towards the old church, down at the back of of this place. And myself and Rebecca saw to definitely felt that there was something going on, and I didn't tell anybody. I was there for a while. I mentioned it to Marlene, but didn't actually tell anybody because I wasn't quite sure whether it was true or not, and I was having to walk up the forestry. Then a few weeks later and I met a local, the local farmer up there, and he was chatting to me, and he said to me, do you ever notice anything at night time walking down there? And I said, like, you mean funerals? And he said, yes, that's exactly what I was talking about.

Douglas 00:17:54  And then I nearly, you know, I nearly choked because I realised he'd obviously seen something that I'd seen. And he then explained to me that this was a mass path, and it was very good that I hadn't actually built the yoga chalet on the mass path. The mass path went just past the edge of the chalet. So after that we decided, right, we will keep that mass path open, and you can still walk that mass path today from one corner of the land, all the way down to the church. And so you'll see little footpaths all the way down the field. That's the original mass path. And if in years gone by, if you sat at the. In the hot tub there was two big ash trees behind you. You often used to see a couple of women standing there just watching us.

Speaker 5 00:18:46  Wow.

Marlene 00:18:47  Well, he saw them. I've never seen them. But, yeah, you you have to have that quality. But that wasn't. I just want to add something to this.

Marlene 00:18:57  What Douglas said. Right. Because of the what he saw, I said to him, I said, look, we have to ask permission on the land. We have to ask the land permission to be here, because I can't handle this, this disturbance. Right. Because not only was it the actual butchering of stuff we couldn't get anything to, to ground itself here, like anything we build blew away.

Douglas 00:19:24  Yeah. The polytunnel.

Marlene 00:19:25  Disappears.

Douglas 00:19:26  Regularly.

Marlene 00:19:26  Yeah. Regularly? Yes.

Douglas 00:19:28  The generator went up and down like a yo yo.

Marlene 00:19:31  Yes. It was. It was extremely volatile. And so after Douglas's vision, I thought, no, we have to ask the permission. And I'm not saying if you don't get permission. So we asked our friends at the time who were on the same journey to do a medicine circle here. So I stepped out where the house was going to be. We we were in the eight directions of the Native American Medicine Wheel, and we just asked the land permission.

Marlene 00:20:05  And one of the friends is medium and she was or a shaman, I should say, and she's incredibly sensitive to what was going on. So she said at the time when we were doing the, the, the, the medicine wheel and asking permission again, it was quite volatile. There was I was sitting in the, in the, in the, in the, in the position of karma. And Douglas was sitting in the position of the dream. And behind me was huge, huge activity. And Douglas was looking at that because he could see it and he could see the activity. I didn't, and I wouldn't have, but I was aware of it, and it was. So the karma of the land was so intense that one of the women sitting in another corner of the medicine wheel came to sit by me. She felt that corner needed to be strengthened. So Douglas was physically not getting well and well. Really, really, really. And but at the end of the circle, when we were talking to our friend, the shaman, she said, she said, you already know it was not the end of.

Marlene 00:21:17  So it was during the circle. She said, you already have permission. They know what you want to do, but you just have to make sure that you stay in connection with them. Right, so you can't lose your connection with them. And we made an agreement. We made an agreement to keep, keep, keep the mask part open, to leave a section of the land completely undisturbed, not build on it or do anything on it, not still look after it, but not do something. Leave it for them. And there was another thing that we agreed with I forgotten about that was. Oh yeah, well, yeah, to include them in our medicine ceremonies, that's what's the other thing that we promised to touch with all of those years. We've done that.

Douglas 00:22:04  And we did the sweat lodge. We called them.

Marlene 00:22:06  In. We called them in. So we we honor their presence here. But. And this is the miracle, right. Since then, you know, so you have all this volatile stuff since then.

Marlene 00:22:16  Nothing. Nothing. No, no. Volatile anything. Nothing. Nothing. Only support, only support.

Gareth 00:22:25  It's really amazing. There was a. A brother. Somebody told me to look at an Irish guy, and I was listening to one of his podcasts, and he's. He's talking about fairies all around Ireland. You know, the fairy rings. And I'm going to try and interview him. But he, he was saying that, like, people will build on certain parts of land in the wrong place, and these nonphysical beings, entities, they will really get irate and they will they will become mischievous. They will cause all sorts of problems until you actually make peace with them and explain what you're going to do. Yeah.

Marlene 00:23:04  This is what definitely happened here. And in those days I was and Douglas as well. If I my we were ignorant on that. You know like we, we did the medicine circle out of desperation. Not because we were so spiritually enlightened. you know, it was like, wow, there is something going on here.

Marlene 00:23:24  We need to we need to address it from a different way, you know. And it worked. It was it was a complete miracle. Since then, only support. And together with that, lots of people came. We, we we repaired the yoga and then people started asking. And it wasn't even finished when people started asking, can we use it for this spiritual thing? Can we use it for dance? Can we use it for shamanism? And as I said, we had to move out of the chalet continuously to make room for other people to do their work. It was like we could we were supposed to do the work, but when there was work to be done, we had to get out of the way. So it was.

Douglas 00:24:09  Guaranteed.

Marlene 00:24:09  We sleep in the garage to to have the thing, you know, because other people wanted to use it. And that has continued to date. Right. So other people are using it and we are doing the work now. Not I'm not complaining about that, but that is the quality of it.

Marlene 00:24:27  And we just wanted to live environment differently. Not not have all these groups here. But they came.

Gareth 00:24:35  They came and and I've been there. I don't know how many times now. And I noticed like one of the things is like, you almost give up your home to the group, right? Because some of them come in and actually stay in your home. Right. You've got one room and then you've got the attic space. So there's people actually walking around your living space and you just give it over freely, you know, just right.

Douglas 00:24:58  Right now.

Gareth 00:24:59  Okay. There's a group at the moment.

Marlene 00:25:02  Yeah. But that was even more in the past. I was even more like, now we have the coffee house. But in the past, people ate in the house.

Speaker 7 00:25:11  Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 5 00:25:12  Yeah. I've been I've been there a number of times.

Gareth 00:25:14  We've had in the house. Yeah. When the weather's been not so great.

Marlene 00:25:17  And so the house when the house was actually built first.

Marlene 00:25:21  Right. It wasn't dry. The plaster on the walls wasn't dry when the first group moved in, not as a group like it was. It's like it's on. Like the universe had a plan. We we are the executors of that.

Douglas 00:25:37  We weren't the first to sleep in the house.

Marlene 00:25:38  We weren't the first to sleep in the house. Right. It's weird.

Gareth 00:25:44  It's almost like you're. You're like the caretakers, right?

Speaker 8 00:25:47  Yes. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Gareth 00:25:50  Yeah. And and because, again, I've had a kind of a drawing to work with you guys and also lived there for a number of months in the, in the cottage. So you have on your property of 400 plus year old thatched cottage. Really, really beautiful that you renovated. And I know from living there I learned the story of the land that is a cross from the cottage. There's a place called Slaughter Hill, where there was a number of Irish rebels executed by British soldiers. To the church. The ruins of the church that's on the land was burned down.

Gareth 00:26:26  There's a lot of history.

Marlene 00:26:29  History? And that cottage where you were in witnessed all of that?

Speaker 5 00:26:34  Yeah.

Gareth 00:26:35  I mean, that cottage I, I remember my first night looking out the, the bedroom window and actually been able to read the, the, the names on the graves.

Speaker 8 00:26:46  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 5 00:26:50  Yeah.

Gareth 00:26:51  Fabulous. So. Okay. So do you want to tell me then how everything started to develop? Right. Because a pond went in in the hot tub. Yeah.

Marlene 00:27:01  Well, the the water cleaning system was there first, right? So, so that that was the most important thing. It's also the thing that I'm most proud of that the the we collect the rainwater, but the water that we pollute, we clean. Right. So when it goes back into the earth, it's actually.

Gareth 00:27:20  So that's the gray water coming from the showers.

Marlene 00:27:23  The gray water from the showers. But also from the toilets. Everything.

Gareth 00:27:27  Okay. Okay.

Marlene 00:27:29  Yeah. So. And it is, it's it's.

Marlene 00:27:31  And that's another miracle. Right. So there's a few miracles here, but that is another miracle. Where the where the water that goes through those plants in a particular way. In a very ingenious way because the plants clean different. Mike. The the water goes through the roots of the plants. Yeah. Different microorganisms live at the roots of those different plants and they do the different parts of the cleaning. So by the time it actually ends up into the we have two points in the first pond that we build. It's clean. So that's so amazing. That is so amazing. And the hot tub was there first.

Douglas 00:28:11  Yeah. So it's on the the small pond.

Marlene 00:28:13  Yeah. Also before the chalet was there. So so that's another very important feature of the place.

Gareth 00:28:20  So. So I was right in saying that the hot tub was there first. And I know it's such a it's such a great feature of a band because from from me doing the retreats there, I know how much everybody enjoys. At the end of the day, the hot tub is on the sauna and then they can they can get into the pond to have a swim.

Gareth 00:28:41  It's such a such a great feature.

Speaker 8 00:28:43  Yeah.

Marlene 00:28:44  Yeah. So that's all happened that living environmentally friendly was actually maintained. That has remained the focus all of the time. It's like the people the people are also focused. But they, they, they, they carry they have the benefit of this environmentally friendly living. There's a group here, and there is two people that Douglas just told me about sitting at the pond, and they were saying, this is a herbalist Paradise, right? Because of the variety of plants and and bees and everything else that that is allowed to grow here or that is willing to grow here, you know, so it's it's amazing. But another feature and I.

Speaker 8 00:29:27  Want.

Marlene 00:29:28  Free. Yeah. Totally chemical free because the pond is also cleaned with plants. But another thing that and Douglas is in charge of was in charge of that was the vegetable oil. And I want to say that the reason that I mentioned it is because we this environmentally friendly living, we wanted to know when we started in India in the 80s.

Marlene 00:29:50  Was it possible to live environmentally friendly? Is that actually something people can do? And once we've completed the vegetable oil thing, at least I proved to my satisfaction that yes, it is possible to live environmentally friendly. A very high standard of living. As in not, not not. I don't mean millionaire style, but a very comfortable way of living with running water. with. With clean water. With electricity that you produce yourselves in a community environmentally friendly, without a huge carbon footprint. And Douglas organized that one.

Speaker 8 00:30:29  Okay.

Gareth 00:30:29  So, Douglas, you so you're talking about vegetable oil. So tell me how that came about. And.

Douglas 00:30:35  Well, I had been playing with solar panels for years and making electricity, and so I'd had wind generators for years as well. And but Mike, my I was still driving fossil fuel car and I thought there must be an alternative to that. So when I started researching it, I found that there was a guy in Germany who was converting cars to run vegetable oil.

Douglas 00:30:59  So we got in touch with him, and I told a friend of mine about it who's on a similar path to us, and the two of us drove to Bavaria and we stayed down there, learned how to do it, did tours of all the vegetable oil factories down there, came back here, converted a car and started getting the local farmers here to grow rapeseed oil organically. And we set up a small plant here, crushing it. So we were making our own, our own oil, and then we were giving the the dry matter that's left over from crushing it back to the, the local cattle and so on. So that was Grant. Then we started converting other people's cars, and suddenly we were on TV and on the radio, which I don't like at all, being interviewed. And the next thing we had the Customs and Excise here.

Speaker 5 00:31:54  Yeah.

Douglas 00:31:56  That, that sort of finished off that little game.

Gareth 00:32:00  And, and Douglas just really quickly. Were you generating electricity with the vegetable oil.

Gareth 00:32:06  So you had a generator?

Douglas 00:32:08  I had a CHP system, which is a combined heat and power system that ran off the vegetable oil. Its centrally heated the house and made it electricity.

Gareth 00:32:18  And was that allowed or.

Douglas 00:32:21  Oh yeah. That's allowed.

Gareth 00:32:21  Yeah that's that's allowed. Okay. But you just couldn't run the the motor cars.

Douglas 00:32:25  No, no okay okay.

Speaker 5 00:32:30  Yeah yeah.

Gareth 00:32:31  Yeah. Great. I knew the story. Yeah, yeah. So okay. So then tell me then how the retreat started, Marlene. And, the people coming to work.

Speaker 8 00:32:41  Well.

Marlene 00:32:42  They they started themselves. They just came. And then some people would say, would you mind providing food so it provide food for them? And then some people would say, well, can we stay? Can we stay the night? And then people would stay in the house, as they say, everybody in, in, in the attic or, or in other parts of the house. And, and then our attempt to have a little bit of privacy has developed all the rest.

Gareth 00:33:11  So, So we're talking about the chalets and the little the little houses on the land. Yeah. Do you want to talk? How do they. I guess I probably know, but for the people, you know, viewing and listening. How did they start coming about? Just as necessity arose.

Marlene 00:33:27  When? Yes. So the yoga chalet was built out of necessity. And there was what was from the. There was a little room here which we call the goat shed, which was the, the office of the, the the of the mushroom farm here. Right. So we had goats at the time. So the they were in that office. But because of the, the, the disturbance and us being having to have a presence here, we converted that room so that we could live in it. So there was one room for four people. So that's because the goats were in there. First it had the name has stayed. Right. So it's it's still the goat shed.

Gareth 00:34:09  And well, I heard there's a there's a west wing.

Gareth 00:34:12  Is there a north wing? I heard.

Speaker 8 00:34:13  It's.

Gareth 00:34:14  The posh name. Yeah.

Speaker 8 00:34:16  It's now the north wing room.

Marlene 00:34:18  So because it's not facing.

Speaker 5 00:34:20  Yeah.

Gareth 00:34:20  I tell all the guests. Right there in the north wing. And then when they arrive, Douglas says, oh, you're in the go ahead.

Speaker 5 00:34:26  Yeah.

Speaker 8 00:34:27  I can see their faces. Yeah, yeah.

Marlene 00:34:32  But that's.

Speaker 8 00:34:32  Right.

Marlene 00:34:33  But so that's that was the first one that was done. And then what was the next one?

Douglas 00:34:39  No. Then we got offered to buy the Oak Chalet. Yes. It was blind to a friend of ours as a little office bomb shop, and we could buy it for a certain price if we dismantled it and moved it off the land by the following Monday. And this was Easter weekend. So between 4 or 5 of us, we spent the whole weekend dismantling it, bringing it up here and laying it out on the, On the patio there so that we could rebuild it.

Marlene 00:35:12  Yeah, and that was in keeping with the environmentally friendliness of reusing something.

Marlene 00:35:17  But the other thing that I want to sort of say is that as soon as we started, right, technology came our way as well. We were like, it was literally a conspiracy of the universe. They brought people, they brought knowledge. They brought spiritual cleansing for the land, for all the disturbance that was here. Because because of the the land was very sad. You know, sad is not a word. Traumatized. The land was traumatized because of the wars that had happened here. So there was soldiers who had died here from British soldiers who had died here. There was women here looking for their children. There was loads of loads of that traumatized stuff. But the people who could do something with us help Those souls that got stuck and release their trauma also arrived. You know.

Speaker 8 00:36:14  The people.

Marlene 00:36:15  Germans arrived. People who had access to that kind of healing arrived. The people that were that we were working closely with at the time could do that kind of work as well. So people volunteer to work here.

Marlene 00:36:27  Hundreds of volunteers came to help. You know, it's it's it was like a conspiracy to make this possible. We just the the the the woman who was running the the the medicine circle at the time, you know, the the medicine wheel thing. She said they know what you want to do. You just have to stay very, very focused. That's your job. Very hard to do this, you know. It's relentless. It's. Well.

Speaker 5 00:37:07  Yeah, yeah.

Gareth 00:37:07  I know, I know because I like I've been up there and when I come I, you know, I'm there for eight nights at a time, right? And I can see I know that Douglas runs a separate business and you know, I know what goes into running a business. And then on when he's back, he's going around filling fires. He's doing hot tubs. It's like endless work, right, for you guys. It's just it's it's yeah, I it's a it's a calling. Right.

Douglas 00:37:35  You run a separate business too.

Marlene 00:37:37  Yeah. No it is what it is a calling you. You'd have to want to do this with your heart. With your soul. You have to want to do this. Because if you don't want to do it with that quality, it's impossible. You'd wear yourself out.

Speaker 5 00:37:51  Yeah.

Gareth 00:37:52  Yeah. So, Merlin, also, I'd like to talk about the food. Right. Because your food is just incredible. I know the effort that you put into it. I know the service that people get. How did that all come about? I know it's all organic. There's so much everybody does. When we're on a retreat, everybody just sits at the table. Everybody goes quiet when the food arrives. Yeah. So maybe you can talk about the food.

Speaker 8 00:38:17  Well.

Marlene 00:38:18  The food. Well, you know, the whole thing is inspired by this environmentally friendliness. So I'm definitely buying organic food, not just to keep everybody healthy, but I'm not paying anybody else to poison us. I mean, hello? No way.

Marlene 00:38:33  Right. And there is no end to the way. If you're not careful to the way big companies are willing to poison people, you only have to look at what happened to the mass population of the American people to see how far they will take us.

Speaker 8 00:38:51  Yeah.

Marlene 00:38:52  You know, so it's really important not to support them. So therefore, everything we buy here as much as we can, we buy organic, local if possible, not local if not possible, but there is a huge effort put into that. That means that the price is also. But still, even if you buy organic right, it's still not enough. If you'd. A lot of people must still be working for very little money for us to be able to buyers at the price we buyers, even though it's three times the price of ordinary food, you know. But anyway organic really important. And then what specifically I want to do and I think it's to honor my mother. My mother was incredibly artistic and refined in the way she presented things.

Marlene 00:39:44  So that's what I want to do. I want to lay the table properly. I want to present the food properly. I want to have the, the the water in the right glasses. You know, there is there is all that. But that's an honoring for my mother. And the other day, we were doing a process here on the yoga weekend that we were doing. And the question was, why did you choose this incarnation and the other person? So I say I chose this incarnation for and then the other person says, thank you. And you do that for five minutes and then you take, you know, you swap. So I was doing that with somebody and to my surprise, I was talking about environmentally friendly living, clean water, all of that. And then I chose this incarnation to honor my mother. I went back I, I, I did not know that.

Speaker 5 00:40:34  That.

Gareth 00:40:34  Just came out.

Speaker 5 00:40:35  That.

Speaker 8 00:40:35  Just that.

Marlene 00:40:35  Just that just came out and I and the way I do things here is to honor my mother.

Marlene 00:40:41  She was a she was a bit of a perfectionist, and I'm definitely not. But that quality that looking for beauty and things, I definitely got that from her. And I want to maintain that and it upsets me when it's not done. You know, when people are, that's good enough. No, it's not good enough. You know that that's definitely That comes from her. Yeah. That's all you know?

Speaker 5 00:41:05  Yeah.

Gareth 00:41:06  You know, I totally get. And I can totally see the effort that goes into the meal times, the preparation, how it's presented, the quality of the food. I know everybody really appreciates it. They really, really do. Another thing that always stands out to me is that how that you've kind of landscaped the place, right? It's it's not manicured. You've sort of you've done it and I know you've brought up you have people who kind of work on it and do gardening, but you kind of do it in a, in a way where it naturally grows and you encourage like the nettles.

Gareth 00:41:41  Right? And then you use the nettles quite a lot in the, in the teas that are served.

Marlene 00:41:47  Yes, yes. I the whole thing is to live, to live, to let, to live and to let live. Right. So if it isn't, if it's not in the way, if it's really not in the way, you know, if you leave it, you know, don't do anything with it because it's useful for somebody. Some insects will love it. Like, for instance, the ragwort, which is pulled up nearly everywhere. I think it's even legal or you have to pull it up or something. But there is one moth that lives only on that plant. So if we all pick, if we all take away, that's the end of that mod. And to my surprise, again, and to my delight, there was one scene here two weeks ago. It's a beautiful moth, a very red. And it's it can only live here because there is still that weed that people say it's a weed is still in abundance here.

Marlene 00:42:43  Right. So so it's it's not accidental. It's everything that is allowed to stay is staying. You know, if you're not going to trip over it, it's here. And it helps the bees a lot.

Gareth 00:42:57  Yeah. yeah. And from being there again, there's such a variety. Actually, on one of the retreats. We had a beekeeper from Texas who was there, and all he did was talk about the bees here in Ireland, and he couldn't believe how many there were.

Speaker 8 00:43:12  And yes.

Marlene 00:43:14  And there was, there was. There is a bee nest in the cottage now, do you know that?

Gareth 00:43:18  Oh, it was there when I lived there.

Speaker 8 00:43:20  Yeah. Oh, okay. It was there.

Marlene 00:43:24  And then.

Speaker 8 00:43:24  Another.

Marlene 00:43:24  Thing that.

Speaker 8 00:43:25  Moved.

Marlene 00:43:26  Into the UK. We had to we had to ask them to leave. We smoked because we couldn't leave them there. They were just everywhere. But a new set of.

Speaker 8 00:43:35  Bees.

Marlene 00:43:36  Has ended up on the platform over there on the upper deck.

Marlene 00:43:40  Yeah. So it's it's literally a Paradise. Like, what is the guy around in his land? Hidden Paradise.

Gareth 00:43:46  A hidden Paradise. Yeah.

Speaker 8 00:43:48  Yeah. Yeah.

Marlene 00:43:48  So that's more or less what we tried to do here as well. You know, it's called the way of the goddess, meaning the earth.

Gareth 00:43:57  Yeah. I wonder, can you talk a little bit about the name and even the gates, the beautiful mural you have painted on the gates and the ferry that you have on the way in the goddess.

Marlene 00:44:10  Oh, that. Yes. Well, all of these things arrive here. You know, they're not. They're not sort for the the person who painted the gates arrived and offered in an exchange the the the fairy that's here. She's the consort of. What's that very sexual goat is a god.

Speaker 8 00:44:32  Come on.

Gareth 00:44:32  No, no, no.

Speaker 8 00:44:33  Anyway.

Marlene 00:44:34  He's his consort. And she arrived here as well. And. Yeah, by somebody who made her. And she was a druid. Yeah.

Marlene 00:44:44  So? So most of the things arrive here out of our control, right? They are offered. They they are, they come in support. You know, it's it's very, very little actually happens intentionally. Bar the environmentally friendliness.

Gareth 00:45:03  Yeah I know there was even one person on one of my retreats who would come and work on your land and work on the on the water and the treatment.

Speaker 8 00:45:12  Yes. Yeah.

Marlene 00:45:13  So. And that's very that's been incredible. You know, that that people want to it's very hopeful for us as a planet because there's a whole section that is going the other way. And then there is us and the people in, in, in Spain and all of that, maintaining something else, another quality. Because another thing when I was thinking about the water in this interview. Right. So we are treating the waste. We are not treating waste as waste. We are treating it so that it becomes useful for something else again. Right. So we're maintaining this cycle, right? But in capitalist society we are as, as a people and also the goods reduce to waste all the time, right? Which is really annoying.

Marlene 00:46:00  You know, the, the, the waste demands that we produce is incredible. But now, in my opinion, because of artificial intelligence, even though it has huge advantages, is has the capacity to reduce us to waste as well. Right. And that is something we have to be vigilant about that we maintain our usefulness to each other. Right. And, and and we have here in China and been in a, in an incredible symbiosis with our vision and all the people who came to help, you know, and all the people who came here to do retreats and everything. It's, it's, it's really a, it was really a, it's a community effort. Yeah. Where nobody is wasted.

Gareth 00:46:49  Yeah, I love it, I love it. Marlene. Also, I noticed when I walk through the land, there's, you have the the skeleton of a sweat lodge there. And I was intrigued. And I spoke to Douglas the last time, and he told me that you run the sweat lodges.

Gareth 00:47:04  Can you talk a little? Yes. Sweat lodge. I've done a sweat lodge before. And.

Speaker 8 00:47:08  Yes.

Marlene 00:47:08  Well, I haven't I haven't run one for a long time, but in the past we did them regularly. And that's another incredible story, right. And again it's a story that involves Douglas. We were the this. Yeah. How will I say this sweat lodge is a Native American healing ceremony. And when, Douglas. When when when we started it, there was quite a few of the sweat lodges run. And the Native Americans actually did come themselves to run the sweat lodges. So we had really big names here of Native Americans who ran the sweat lodges Just like they were running them in in America. Super hot, with lots of tradition, lots of ceremony, lots of everything. And then one day, Douglas was asleep at the big tree. The one and only tree that was here because we planted every other one. He was asleep. And he has a vision again of a Native American in full regalia.

Marlene 00:48:16  Right. So he comes back up and says, you know what? I saw a Native American down the field, and I thought, Jesus is a Native American. Why would he be here? Right? And then I thought, maybe he's.

Speaker 8 00:48:28  The.

Marlene 00:48:29  He's looking after the sweat lodge, right? He's looking after that end, and he's here because of all the Native Americans that were here. So I forget about it. Douglas forgets about it. And then 15 years later or something, 8 or 10 years ago now. But that would have been 15 years after the first sweats were happening here. This woman who was sleeping in the back chalet says, do you know what she says? I've seen a Native American in that same spot, in the same regalia. But 15 years later, and she did not. She did not know that Douglas had seen that Native American in that spot, looking after the sweat lodge. I thought, wow, that's incredible, right? That that some people who have access can actually see what's going on here on the land.

Marlene 00:49:21  So for a long time, there was other people running the threads, and then only when I was running them for my yoga weekends and so on did I start doing it. But I do it in great, with great respect to to that tradition and with. Well, I can only say in great service to, to what the sweat lodges actually are capable of bringing about on a spiritual cleansing and healing. You know, that's that's it.

Gareth 00:49:48  Yeah, I would actually love to do one with Jamali. Next time you do, and I'll come up and be part of it because there's something very special. It's something I know. You have a sauna beside the hot tub. And I noticed that it's such a great way to finish the day. You know, you get 6 or 8 people all squeeze in there and sit and and sweat together. It's really. Yeah, it's very magical. It's.

Speaker 8 00:50:12  Yes.

Marlene 00:50:13  Yes, but it's a very powerful, powerful healing tool. Right. The there is an Irish saying that says be careful what you pray for, because the gods punish us by giving us what we want.

Marlene 00:50:27  Right? But that's absolutely true, right? The amount of prayers and touchwood that and in fact touchwood for everything both of us have said here, the amount of prayers that were that are heard in the sweat and actually manifest is uncanny.

Speaker 8 00:50:46  Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 9 00:50:47  But it's very different.

Douglas 00:50:48  Than sitting in a hot.

Speaker 8 00:50:49  Tub.

Marlene 00:50:50  It's very different from sitting.

Douglas 00:50:51  It's not relaxing.

Gareth 00:50:53  No, I did one, I did one, and I swore to myself I'd never do another one.

Speaker 8 00:50:58  Yeah.

Speaker 10 00:51:01  Yeah, it's very difficult.

Gareth 00:51:03  So. So I did it. I did one in, I think it was Ballynahinch or a Healy down in, in Wicklow. And there.

Speaker 8 00:51:09  Was for.

Gareth 00:51:10  40 people in the sweat lodge I did. It was a huge big friend and I could only manage two rounds. It was, it was 40 minutes, ten minutes out and back in and I at the end of the second one, I said to myself, I cannot go back. I actually got heatstroke from it. I was struggling, my vision was going all funny and I swore I'd never do another one again.

Speaker 8 00:51:33  Was that what big.

Marlene 00:51:34  Heart it was that run by?

Speaker 8 00:51:35  Big yes yes yes.

Gareth 00:51:37  Yes it was. Yeah. He does the I think twice every year. But I said I'd never go back again even though even though I had the most amazing day. I thought the whole ceremony was beautiful. How everybody helped, you know, build the fire and put bring the stones over. I thought it was really beautiful, but just like a heat stroke, it was too hot for me.

Speaker 8 00:51:57  Yeah. Yeah.

Gareth 00:51:58  So I heard you don't do them as hot Marlene.

Speaker 8 00:52:00  No I don't.

Marlene 00:52:03  No no no. To me it's a prayer thing and it's a community thing. You know when we do it here it's because people come together and the environment of the sweat lodge takes you out of your ordinary way of thinking. So you can relate and you talk from a different space. That's it. And you can be heard from a different space, and you can come out and go, right. I said that that was my intent.

Marlene 00:52:25  The universe knows about it. So there we go. We'll wait for it to manifest now. And it does.

Gareth 00:52:32  Yeah. And there's obviously something very powerful and special about the land you're on as well. There's a there's a lady that's been on a number of my retreats, and she brings dowsing rods everywhere she goes, and she measures the energy. And she said she measured the energy in the cottage and up in the barn. And she said it was off the charts.

Speaker 8 00:52:51  Yes, yes.

Marlene 00:52:52  That's true. And that's that energy that was volatile before is now very much in support. That's why it's so healing here now.

Gareth 00:53:03  Yeah. And you can really feel it. And I spoke about it with this in, in last week's podcast with Roger because he has a very similar place in Spain. And I could sense that there was just something, an energy on the land. And it's the same in a band aid or something there.

Speaker 8 00:53:18  Yes.

Marlene 00:53:19  That's exactly it. And as you said in the beginning, I don't know whether you said it before this interview or just we have the only thing we have to do is we have to take care, that's all.

Marlene 00:53:31  Take care. That's all.

Gareth 00:53:33  Yeah. You're the caretakers of the land. Yes, yes. It really seems that way.

Speaker 8 00:53:37  Yeah.

Gareth 00:53:39  Yeah. So is there anything you feel I haven't asked that you would like to share. Is there anything any.

Speaker 8 00:53:45  No.

Marlene 00:53:46  Just just. Well, what I would like to share is I said it to you in the beginning is how uncannily similar the trajectory of RA and the trajectory of Serena Bundy has been on every level, on every corner of the movements that he has made, has happened here, like literally identical 30 years.

Gareth 00:54:08  Yeah. It's like.

Speaker 8 00:54:09  Yeah, it's.

Marlene 00:54:10  You.

Speaker 8 00:54:10  Know, when.

Marlene 00:54:11  Like, you know, the, the, the noticing that something has to happen. He noticed something has to happen. I noticed something has to happen. The, the, the thought that comes in like that. And then you go and do it. And then the first thing didn't happen like his first thing didn't happen are first thing didn't happen. But then the second thing happens, right.

Marlene 00:54:31  That sort of but also that continuous being guided that continues knowing that you're in service of something else that is bigger.

Gareth 00:54:41  Why do you think that first thing doesn't seem to happen right. For both of you?

Marlene 00:54:45  Like I built it because it wasn't the right place. Wasn't, I think. I think we found it and we thought we'll do it. They're environmentally friendly in our little nook, right? Not exclude everybody else. But that wasn't what the universe had in mind. Yeah, it was like you were doing this, but you're doing it for the greater good, you know?

Gareth 00:55:09  So it was the right idea, but you just hadn't found the right spot because the universe had something much bigger.

Marlene 00:55:15  Much bigger.

Gareth 00:55:17  Yeah. Wow. Amazing story. Amazing. So. So, Malina, I'm going to link to your website. If people want to find out, they can read all about the history of the place and what you do and the yoga retreats because you run your own yoga retreats.

Marlene 00:55:30  Yes. Yes.

Marlene 00:55:32  Yeah. And people are very welcome. Yeah. Yeah.

Gareth 00:55:36  I know you're reluctant to talk about, you know, advertisers do anything like that. But we. Yeah yeah, yeah. So we'll we'll link to the website anyway and people can use it more and.

Marlene 00:55:48  Okay.

Gareth 00:55:48  Yeah. Anything else before we finish?

Marlene 00:55:51  No. Just grateful to you guys because there is something about the groups you bring that bring a a big yeah of. Yeah, a good energy. And the land lifts. It starts to shine when you're around. And that is very noticeable. Yeah. I just want to say that it's very noticeable. It's very.

Speaker 9 00:56:10  Real. It's always happy.

Marlene 00:56:11  Here. And really.

Speaker 9 00:56:12  It's I'm.

Gareth 00:56:13  I'm I'm always happy when I'm there. Like, I mean, I, I spoke with this with Ray as well. It's like, you know, leading up to a retreat, especially a weeklong retreat. People, people get, you know, ants in their pants. They want to know the mind wants to have everything figured out for when they arrive.

Gareth 00:56:31  And I get all these questions coming in. And as soon as they land, you know, they sit down, they have a cup of tea. Everything just starts to decompress. And you know, all the, the, the worries that they have just kind of disappear and everything works.

Marlene 00:56:47  Yes, but the quality of there must be something that the people and the quality of the work that you do that is shiny. That's the only word that I can think of. It's. It shines.

Gareth 00:56:58  Yeah, it definitely is. But also, I always love how everything works out, right? It's like people, oh, you know, I'm leaving at 5 a.m. and someone will go, oh, can I give you a lift? Everything just kind of flows, right? Nobody's ever left stuck. Yeah. Which is great. Yeah. It's great. The community is great, people great. Everything works just really well. Yeah. You've done a great job with the with the place guys.

Marlene 00:57:25  Thank you.

Gareth 00:57:26  Yeah. So it's been it's been great having you on. I'm, I'm I'm thrilled to finally get to to hear the full story from you guys about how all of. Yeah. Kind of evolved. Involved.

Marlene 00:57:37  Okay.

Gareth 00:57:37  Okay. Thank you so much. Thank you. Viewers and listeners. Douglas. Marlene, thank you so much. Bye bye. Bye bye.

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