Staying Positive During Change with Reiki Women Podcast

Join Carrie Varela of the Reiki Healing Society, and Michaela Daystar of Heartscapes Reiki and Bronwen Logan of Reiki with Bronwen, delve into the challenges of staying positive in the midst of change. 

They explore how fear of the unknown can overshadow the healing potential of change, and share personal experiences and insights on navigating transitions using the system of Reiki. 

Discussion topics include the importance of acceptance, emotional resilience, and the timelessness of time in healing. Perfect for anyone looking to find stability and peace during life's inevitable shifts.

00:00 Welcome to the Reiki Women Podcast
01:20 Navigating Change: Personal Experiences
03:53 The Complexity of Change and Resilience
06:40 Acceptance vs. Positivity in Change
18:50 The Role of Reiki in Managing Change
36:20 Embracing Timelessness and Bravery
44:40 Final Thoughts and Encouragement

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Transcript

0:06

Hello and welcome to the Reiki Women podcast. My name is Kerri Barela. I'm the founder of the Reiki Healing Society and today my gorgeous, lovely colleagues are with us, with me. I've got Michaela Daystar with Hardscapes Reiki, and I've got Bronwen Logan from Reiki with Bronwen. And today we want to talk about staying positive in the midst of change. And, um, you know, it's, it's hard sometimes to stay positive in the midst of change because I don't know about you. So sometimes when I feel like change is happening, it just feels like, uh, life is ending as I know it. And it tends to be really, uh, the fear of unknown. Sometimes takes over for me. And, um, forget that change is good. Changes can be so incredibly healing and positive. And, um, sometimes we get so stuck in our old ways of doing things, that we forget that there might be a better way. So, um, I thought we would, um, put our heads together and talk about this topic of staying positive in the midst of change. If that resonates with you, I hope you join us for this next hour of, um, some good conversation amongst Reiki women. So who would like to talk about their experiences of navigating change and how the system of Reiki helps us? I'm happy to start. Um, yeah, I mean, I, I appreciate, uh, Carrie that you named just right off the bat that like change of, of all kinds, big changes, small changes, changes that are in the direction of something subjectively positive. or negative or neutral that no matter kind of what the characteristic of the change overall, our system, like our body, our heart, our mind can relate to any kind of change as a, um, as something that's frightening as a, as an ending of something that causes some feeling of threat or uncertainty. Um, and it's important to keep that in mind, especially when we're talking about Changes that are in the direction of something that we consider positive or that other people consider positive, because it can be really confusing when we start to feel feelings of anxiety or fear or trepidation or resistance or even depression, you know, sadness, like, In the face of a change that is supposed to be positive, and I know in my life, I've had moments like that where I felt, you know, some shame around having feelings like that. Uh, you know, why would I be feeling that? What right do I have to be feeling like that when I'm changing in a way that's positive? So I wanted to just really emphasize that off the bat that, you know, change is paradoxically, um, something that we tend to resist. Because regularity, sameness, predictability in our life can help us to feel safe. It can help us to at least feel like we know what to anticipate, what to expect from our life. Even if we're in circumstances that are really difficult, it's kind of the idea that the, the known difficulty can be more appealing than the unknown, right? And change always has an opportunity. aspects of unknown, even if we've got the thing planned out really carefully. So we're, we're going to tend towards Predictability to feel to feel stable, and so change of all types can feel threatening. It can feel destabilizing in some way or another, and some changes, um, take a really long time, right? There can be a long period where there's this transition happening. The other thing to keep in mind is that change is actually constant. It's happening all the time. Uh, it's happening constantly in tiny ways, and these larger waves of change just consistently come throughout our life. And so although these big changes can feel, you know, momentous, they can really call our attention and then the times when we're not in a big change can feel very static, it's helpful to remember that we're actually changing all the time. Um, so, you know, with kind of that context in my mind, you know, I think about the question that you posed, Carrie, you know, how do we stay positive in the Of change and specifically in the midst of liminal space, that space in between where we have stopped being what we once were, right? The change has been initiated in some way. We have begun the journey of whatever the change is, but we're not yet on the other side of it, or we're not yet in a place of stability inside of the change. So we're in this liminal space where we're not what we once were, and we're not yet what we will be. And that's the space that can be. Uh, that can bring up so many challenging feelings. And I think what, what comes up for me just initially is the idea that we may seek to kind of overall experience positivity in that liminal space. And it's perfectly fine and even desirable to make room for What we might consider unpositivity, right? We have to make space for feeling afraid, for making mistakes, for running into barriers, for having difficult times. And the question of resilience then comes in. How do we maintain, you know, movement through that liminal space when we're running into things like that? And for me, at least in my experiences, It's that sense of staying in some form of movement, even when, you know, and sometimes movement is You know, literally one is actually kind of still or waiting, you know, there's times inside of liminal space where we're waiting, we're not doing anything, but, you know, resisting a sense of becoming stagnant in that place. And when I have that sensation of moving through the liminal space, overall, I feel positive about it, even though there will be experiences inside of that, that can be quite difficult. So I think just kind of all of that is just setting a little bit of context. For this idea of staying positive inside of change, um, to help us kind of fill in this, you know, fairly complex space. Um, the question feels simple, but has a lot of complexity to it. Um, so with that, I would say I would define staying positive inside of change as making space for whatever it is we're experiencing in that process so that we can keep moving through it. Um, and I'll pause right there to see how the two of you relate to this question and then we'll kind of start getting into, okay, so how do we, how do we do that? And of course, what role does Reiki hold for each of us in these sorts of experiences? So Bronwen, what comes up for you when you think about staying positive in the midst of change? Yeah. I liked all of what you said. I think the challenge actually is in the wording a little bit because that's what you were just sort of trying to struggle with. I think, you know, getting that, the meaning of something. When we use the word positive, you, you said, you know, it's a characteristic. It's like an, it's an adverb. So it's something that describes something rather than it being a. Um, I mean, when we talk about, um, duality, for example, you know, we will talk about things being, um, hot and cold or the sun and the moon or male and female, but to actually say positive and negative, which some people might consider those things to be dual elements. In many ways, they're not because they're not the thing itself. They are a description of something. And because of that, as you said, Michaela, it's totally subjective. So, if we're thinking them as, uh, as I think the word you used was a, you know, it's a characteristic. And, uh, so if we're thinking of them in, in those terms, they're not the thing. And, uh, I, I, I think instead of using, I think we could just rephrase it and that would actually help us to get a different angle on it and maybe be able to work with it a bit more. But maybe instead of using the word positive, we could use the word acceptance. And you know, so accepting or accepting, yeah, what was it? Um, so maybe finding acceptance inside of change. Um, so it, it, it's saying to us then that we, uh, need to find a way through. And that's that resilience that you were talking about. So the way of finding our way through is not by saying, Oh, this is a positive or a negative experience, but that this is something that, um, I need to accept that there is always change. And, um, what comes from that is what comes from change feeling wise is going to be. A multitude of things, and, uh, you named a lot of them there, Michaela, you know, sometimes it's unknown, sometimes it's, uh, exciting, some, you know, we can, we can approach that in so many different ways, um, with so many different, um, adverbs, if you like, so, you know, like we, we can, we can move into that and, and we get to choose those. In many ways as well, because it's how we choose to experience something and, uh, as long as the acceptance is, is there that things are always changing and that it's such an odd thing, isn't it? That we're born into change. We're born into it, and yet it's something that we almost don't want to accept. It's like, we just like, no, I like this, yes, or I love this, and that means it's got to stay that way. That's obviously not, not the case and things are shifting, moving. Sometimes you just gotta accept that it doesn't work and sometimes it does work. Ah. Anyway, um, but those were my ideas just about, staying positive or finding acceptance in, uh, inside of change. Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, the wording can be, you know, we're, we're, we're this way. This is kind of our vibe. Words matter and the feelings and emotions that we attach to those words really matter. Um, uh, I'm thinking and reflecting back to one of the biggest changes in my life was when I moved to Northern California. And, um, it was an immensely positive thing. Feel, you know, felt very positive in the sense that like, hey, I'm gonna, you know, I have this desire to move. I had been wanting to move for a period of time. Um, Not because I didn't love where I was living, but just that I felt inside of myself I needed a change, like I wanted a change of scenery, I wanted, um, you know, not to feel stuck in one area, like having a bigger sense that the world was my oyster and all those things, right? Um, so, you know, You know, accepting that, you know, this was something that we, me and my husband wanted to do, and then, like, actually making it a reality, I mean, it started to, like, kind of snowball, and then all of a sudden, like, it was like, oh, oh no, we're gonna move, and, you know, it was like an accepting, and then, there was this shadow side of it, too, is that it was really hard to move, it was hard to move away from my family, I had a 9 month old, my daughter was 9 month old, and my son was 2 years old, and, you know, they, you know, It was hard to move them away from their cousins and just, you know, there was, and there was other layers to that made it hard and it made, you know, things hard for me as a Reiki practitioner in particular, because so much of my career and my, um, you know, ability to earn came from people in my local community. And so anyways, but you know, it's all snowballed, but there was this, this notion that there was. Something there for me, right there that I was that we were moving for Ultimately to follow something that felt really deep in our hearts and and then those moments of change like it was Incredibly overwhelming at times like just the waves of it feeling as guilt around leaving my family feeling uncertain about You know money and career and all of that but yet still feeling really anchored into like this was the right choice for me and my family and you know And yeah, like, you know, five years later, I mean, I'm really happy that I made those choices and decisions and it did not come easily in some senses, like it wasn't just easy and I maybe, maybe that's some of my upbringing because I've like lived in Colorado my whole life. I can really empathize now with people who've moved a lot and recognize how hard it is, you know, to make new friends and build community in your area and, um, Um, yeah, so, you know, it brought up a lot for me and there was a lot of things to navigate and I think some days I got more stuck in a negative way of thinking because there were so many emotions to process and feel and it could feel like I was getting a little stuck there, you know, but, um, You know, I just think of, of this, uh, topic and I was thinking about it maybe particularly in the context of like, making a really painful or hard decision in life, like getting a divorce or moving or changing your career, and it might feel from the outset like, oh, this is, you know, Maybe a change that's needed, required, but yet there's so much emotion and, uh, so much healing that really would need to be done in order to allow that kind of, uh, change to happen in our life and, um, yet that we can stay positive in the sense that, like, we know that that was the right choice for us, that, that there's this feeling of, yes, I, um, am, you know, maybe not always 100 percent confident in this choice, Change, but knowing that it is the right change for me in any given circumstance. And, um, it can be easy to lose that, you know, when we're in, we're in the throws of some, some change and some transformation. And uh, equally, you know, those are kind of big life transitions, but there's these like smaller ones, you know, and maybe you see it in different ways, but you know, of course the Buddhist said, life is changed, life is impermanent. Things are always changing, but in our, um, in our small self, you know, we want to, you know, uh, attach to what we can, what we know. And sometimes that's even our suffering, like, we want to attach to it because like you were saying, Michaela, like, we know that, we know that pain, we feel that pain, um, we become accustomed to it. And it's hard to imagine life without it. Um, and so I think. In this sense, staying positive and open and accepting, like you were saying, Bronwen, of change, as like it's fundamental reality, this is a fundamental part of our existence, and that knowing that there is something positive, even in the midst of change that might be, feel really painful and dramatic, um, and that even in good change, that there's also emotions and attachments that we have to work with and, um, So emotional resilience can really only happen when we're acknowledging that part of ourselves is that feeling pressure point is feeling that anxiety is feeling discomfort. It's feeling, um, you know, attached to a certain place or person or thing or feeling like, I guess for myself, sometimes I feel like, uh, what I really need to offer my clients and yoga students and just everything is this sense of stability that they can. My doors are open and that they can continue to come into my practice when they need me and when they need that support. But the truth is, I can't always offer that kind of stability, because I'm a solo practitioner and, you know, things ebb and flow and I have to make choices in my career, um, and in, you know, in my offerings and stuff like that, uh, all the time, because if I continue to stay with something that's not working for me, And then I'm just martyring myself, right? Like, oh, okay, I have to do this for everybody else. Or, you know, before my move to California, I just felt so much attachment to my family. I'm like, oh, what, like, do I stay in somewhere to be close to my family? Um, that makes, you know, that isn't really lighting me up right now. Is that really what my family wants? So, like, just working with some of those attachments where, you know, like, We have to martyr ourself. We have to be there for somebody else, even if it's our own detriment or if it's not benefiting us. But maybe to your point, Bronwen, about preaching, you know, it's like, it can be easy to say it, but when we're really in an intense life change, or even a small one sometimes, it can bring up a lot of feelings. Sometimes people, you know, are so uncomfortable with those feelings, uh, that, you know, we have to, we have to develop that ability to see ourselves in the world. Yeah, I totally agree there. And like, You know, if we think about what role does Reiki as a practice have inside of that, you know, that's a, that's a huge one, right? Giving us the ability to make space for all of the complexity of what we feel to, uh, to just allow, you know, what, what it is and to move it through rather than kind of constricting around it. And the other piece is around, you know, especially if we're talking about a really complex life change, but I think this is true for the smaller ones. It's perhaps easier to see as an example in the larger, more complex changes. But again, I think this has a lot of truth, even in smaller, more day to day changes, but the process of, of, of viewing the arc of the change itself as dynamic and as having, uh, as being made up of many individual moments. And, you know, if we call on our precepts and, you know, really focusing on just for today, just for this moment, even in the midst of an incredibly difficult change, we'll find many, many, many, many moments that are peaceful. that are joyful, that are a relief, that are calm in some way that maybe are exhilarating. And, um, you know, as you were sharing your example of moving, um, you know, the example that came up for me was the, the process of getting divorced, which was a pretty long process for me. And, you know, if I, if I kind of think about the totality of the arc of that from like, you know, making the decision to kind of, you know, The completion, I would say probably that that was an incredibly difficult and painful change. And, you know, what jumps out in my mind is all the really, really difficult parts about it, you know, relationally difficult, logistically difficult, you know, figuring out how I'm going to be a single parent, you know, working through the emotions, working with my kids on their emotions, you know, navigating things with my ex husband, like overall an incredibly difficult, um, change that I avoided taking for a very long time. Because again, choosing the pain that we know over the pain of the unknown, uh, was absolutely what I did for a very long time. And, you know, sometimes it has to just get to a point where you're like, actually, I think what's present might be more painful than not knowing what's going to happen on the other side of the change. But if I think about that change, um, in a more kind of measured way, and if I, if I kind of drop into you know, a more of a calm space. And I think about the totality of that time, there were so many moments that I could have defined as peaceful, as positive, as joyful, as exhilarating, as, um, liberating. Um, many, many, many, many moments, um, moments that brought, you know, pride and, you know, a sense of, of accomplishment and resilience and, you know, all of, all of the things. So it was a difficult change that was made up of so many So many different moments, many of which were very positive. And so, you know, calling on that precepts practice of, of dropping into, okay, right now, what is true right now, right now, can I be in compassion right now? Can I be grateful right now? Can I be unattached to fear and anger right now? Can I be true to myself right now? Is this a peaceful moment? Um, and so, you know, cultivating a practice of checking in with what is actually true, right. Now, right? Because like I said, many of those moments, if we look at right now, we can say, Hey, that looks like peace to me. You know, that looks like calm to me. Um, and that can be wildly helpful in moving through a big change. It can be wildly ha helpful. on the front end before we've made the decision to enter into the change. I mean, obviously there's many changes that just happened to us that we don't, we're not making a decision about, but you know, something like a divorce or a job change or a move, you know, these are changes that we make a decision and we enact, right? We take action to make them happen. And so we have to initiate them in some way. And that process of being resistant to that initiation can be a real, real challenge. source of pain and discomfort, and maybe, you know, loss of opportunity or money because we're, we're resistant to taking that first step. And even on the front end, you know, being in a practice of just for today and really noticing how many moments are truly peaceful can help us to get ourselves in the right mindset to make that initiating change. And then as we're in that arc of, of the change of the transition in that liminal space, returning to that practice of noticing right now in this moment, what is actually true. And, you know, how much of this moment is really like, immediately challenging me and actually needs some kind of response from me. And there, there will be those moments, certainly. Which, you know, where is there going to be a response needed from me? next week, but not right now. Right? So am I dwelling on that or am I right now? Incredibly helpful practice, simple, not necessarily easy because it is so natural when we're in that state of challenge, um, to be dwelling on the future, to be focused on what's coming up, what's next, what's going to happen. I don't know. What am I going to need to do next week about this thing? or to be, you know, dwelling in the past. Wow, it was simpler before I made this change. Or what if I had done this differently? What if I had done it five years ago? What if, you know, what if, what if, what if? So that practice of really staying in today, staying in this moment is so beneficial when navigating that. And then, you know, I'm like a broken record. I will always name the benefit of Reiki of helping us to feel like there's enough space inside of ourselves to feel all of the things, for all of the things to be true that feel like they're in contradiction to each other. You know, like this is the hardest thing I've ever done. It sucks right now. I, I hate the things I'm having to say and do and navigate and, and that, and it's the best decision of my life. Both of those things can be true at the same time. And, You know, in many of these sorts of things, we can get to the other side of it and we can reflect back and we can say, wow, I really am better off now, right? My life now on the other side of liminal space, now that this change has settled down is better than it was, but how amazing to be able to feel that sense of peace while we're in that unknown space. And I think that's kind of really what we're working with here is like, you know, yeah. In hindsight, we can, we can look back and we can assess, you know, was it difficult? Was it good? Was it worth it? Was it not worth it? Am I better off now? But to be in the midst of it and to feel that sense of peace, that sense of rightness, that sense that, um, we can trust the decisions that we're making, even if we can't see the outcomes of them yet, that's an incredibly powerful place to live. That's, that's, that's an incredibly, um, Um, you know, it's a place where we're really in our own sovereignty and we can be really in a liberated space around, you know, something that might feel very unknown to us. So, um, so yeah, when I think about what, what role has my Reiki practice held, you know, in, in my recent life where I have had it available to me during changes and even thinking back to, you know, before I had it, what, what difference might this have made for me in, in those times before I had it? Um, those are the two things that really. stand out to me as, um, obviously beneficial. Uh, and there's other ways in which a Reiki practice benefits us as well. Yeah. What about you, Bronwen, when you think about what role Reiki has had for you in the midst of change? Well, I think we can get what we were just saying before. We can get stuck on words and actual experiences beyond words. So when we use the words like peace, yeah. then to me anyway, it, it sounds very static was the word you used, right? It sounds very like, it sounds like the word positive in a sense, right? Only because it's this thing that, um, it's like we want something. And that thing is this, you know, um, it, it has a form. Um, And nothing beyond that form. And once we have that form, we have it. And that's it. And I think that. We need to use words because that's the beings that we are. And so I completely get that, but I'm just thinking that in my practice, for example, what I love is, well, sometimes we do it. Um, I know that I do it when I'm teaching, I've seen other people do it. When people really get into the flow of, of, of what they're teaching. or, or practicing. And their body starts to flow with the movement of the energy without them really realizing that that's happening. So there is this, there's this thing happening. Look, people do it in all different ways, but I'm just using one example here. So, and, and that's where the body, When we're maybe in meditation or when we're really in the flow, sometimes it might be when you're writing, it might be, um, just thinking or, you know, to be meditating, contemplating, even talking, as I said, um, and just this, this sense of really being in the flow and it's not static. It's, it's a shifting, moving thing of being in the moment, which is such a, those things to me sound contradictory because in the moment sounds like a specific time. Like I was saying, like peace feels like a, you know, it has, it has, I'm going to be peaceful, right? Peaceful doesn't look like there's an, you know, when you get to peaceful, there's not an end out the other side or, but in fact, you know, it's this. shifting, moving thing. And, uh, I'm sure there are words that can express what I'm talking about. I'm just not sure what they are. And I know in different cultures, you know, they have different, I love that in different cultures, how they, they use different words for things that, for example, in English, we just don't have, and, um, you know, Japanese, for example, are very good at that. So, um, I think the experience rather than possibly our description of what something might be is it. And, uh, so being in the flow, being in the experience of life is where we, where we are. and always up. And I guess it's a recognition of that. And that's possibly what we're talking about. I love, Makila, how you talked about, you know, the just for today aspect. And, um, I really feel like that is so powerful, you know, when we're in the midst of something that's a little bit bigger than ourselves or bigger than what's happening in our one day. It's like, this is going to be, you know, a period of time in my life. Um, or if we've had traumatic, uh, events in our past, uh, a lot of times. Really powerful way of unpacking that is just how you described it and I've been using that so much in my own life and working with clients in that capacity is like, you know, instead of thinking about everything that was ever triggering about that divorce or, um, you know, event that happened in your childhood or something is like, what's the flavor of it today? You know, what, what, what aspect or what memory or what certain trigger am I really sitting with today? And, you know, when we're really in it, if we're having a panic attack, an anxiety attack or something like that, we might not be able to have that kind of emotional intelligence, but in our daily life, we should be able to be able to sit with an emotion, come up, you know, or to, to sit with that part of me that's anxious and, and really sit with her until We can resolve that feeling and that emotion, um, you know, sit with that part of ourself that might be experiencing those pain points and, um, experiencing the shifts of changes that are happening in our life a little bit more intensely, um, than let's just say our day to day awareness, um, But I think to what you're saying, um, Bronwen, you know, it's like there, there's, there's so many different flavors of peacefulness, you know, and what, what a gift it is if you are in a place of deep conflict to feel suddenly at peace. And instead of all of this, like, jumbled dialogue happening in your brain about, you know, something you're angry about or somebody you're angry with. Like, how good it feels to just have that awe and be like, I'm at peace right now, in this moment, and it's not It's not necessarily gonna be there every day or in any moment beyond this one. But right now I can feel that. I think Tichon Hans says peace can only be found in the present. Um, but you know, like peace, as you know, is one of those things that we also have some emotional attachments to in the sense that like, oh, I'll I'll be at peace once I figure this part XYZ out in my life, or I have this much money in my bank account, or I have this kind of part of my life dialed in, then I can have peace. But, um, that's really not how peace works. So I, uh, maybe that's what you were speaking to. It's just like this kind of attachment to like, oh, I, I need to have this sorted out and dial, you know, grounded in my life in order for me to feel this or experience that. But what a gift it is when, you know, Yeah, life's in a total change and rearrange and we can, we can drop into something that it's feel so nurturing, like peace. Um, and I think also too, um, what I, I'm reflecting on in this topic is it's this whole notion of having a spiritual awakening and like kind of the process of maybe going through a really intense emotional transformation. And it's. spiritual transformation. And I did that when, you know, I first found Reiki and yoga and, you know, was going through another external change happening in my life. I was getting a divorce in that sense, or in that circumstance. And There was so much change that was happening inside of me and outside of me, and I didn't really feel in control of that change. I really didn't know who I was going to be on the other side of that transformation. It was really intense. And, um, you know, I'm, you know, who I am today is actually a product of that transformation. And I think about how, how unstable and how ungrounding it was in those periods. And yet I had this trust trusting of the process, and I felt really anchored into my practice to help me navigate those waves and, um, Sometimes when I feel that, like, you know, that change might be required or that there's this kind of spiritual aspect of awakening or a transformation happening in me, I kind of want to stifle it sometimes, honestly, because it, it was such an immense period of change and transformation in my life. And I'm like, I don't want to ever do that again. I don't want to go through that again, that kind of level of inner reworking. And, um, but. The truth is, is, is that sometimes it's just required, you know, little aspects of that, and that is some, some part of walking a spiritual path is that we can't, you know, uh, let, uh, the way we externally define ourselves become our own inner reality. Sometimes we have to shake that up too. Um, and, um, that process can be really destabilizing. But it's, it's a good process. It's a good thing because more than likely what we're attaching to or what we're trying to attach to is something that is impermanent, that isn't really who we are. So it needs to change. All right, my friends. Well, any other thoughts that are coming to you in this moment? I was just thinking about the timelessness of time. And, you know, when we're talking about past and the, and the future and, and how they sort of exist at one level, but then there's this other level, which is just like a timelessness and how we can use that for our practice as well. And, uh, for example, If we think of a time, uh, so we're going, going through, say we need to be brave, right? Say that we're, we're feeling very not brave, right? And we're going through change and, um, then thinking of a time. in our lives and really sitting down and visualizing that and seeing what we did and how it worked of when we were brave in our lives and really embodying that and knowing that sensation inside of ourselves and knowing that we If we have been brave, um, it's a part of us. It's not like it's something outside of us and, and tapping into the timelessness of who we are and allowing then those qualities of, of who we've been and, and, and who we are now and bringing that, that memory of that, that physical memory, the emotional memory of that into our lives and really sitting into that and tapping into. these elements of ourselves that we forget. And so we are brave. We have been brave. We will be brave. And, uh, you know, I think it's a really lovely way of seeing ourselves and knowing that we are this makeup of all these different things that we've been and, and, and possibly will be. Maybe we haven't been brave yet, but, um, possibly we could be. We will be, and so we can still tap into that, you know, and, and, and know that inside of ourselves in some way. I'm just talking about the timelessness of, of our experience. And I think that fits into that idea of for today only, it is a, it is a, uh, unlimited space. I think that's, it's such an interesting, um, idea, the timelessness of time in this context, you know, and I think about, you know, the way that we're coming to understand trauma so much better, and the way that, you know, having a, um, you know, embedded traumatic experience that hasn't been healed through or worked through our system completely, um, Causes a false, um, like break in that sense of timelessness of time, right? It, it, it anchors us in a particular time and all of the feelings and the responses and, you know, uh, yeah, responses that we would have had in that moment of fear of harm of a traumatic event happening. And in those moments, when, when we're stuck in that cycle, You know, remembering that we are brave, remembering that we can be peaceful, remembering that we can express, you know, anger or fear in a healthy way, and then let it go, um, isn't available to us, right? It's this like, It's this constriction of time where we're all of a sudden we're in this false like prison of time where we're stuck in that in those memories And you know, I I think this is one of the ways in which practicing Reiki can help to Be in a process of healing from trauma. It's not it's not the only answer but to to really give us some space to reconnect with that timelessness that you're saying and to reconnect with the parts of ourselves that do remember how to be a different way in the face of something that feels frightening. And big change in our life, even small changes in our life, um, you know, are absolutely, Poised to bring back up old fears, to bring back up old traumatic experiences, uh, because of that sense of destability, that sense of interrupted routine, um, of heading into the unknown, of not having as much control over our life as we're accustomed to when things are not changing, um, and so on. And so, you know, just kind of another layer to this and, and, and acknowledging that. in any place in our system that we are still holding on to traumatic memories or experiences, it's going to be those places that feel the most impossible to move through change, um, with those things activated. And so, you know, really giving ourselves tenderness around that. you know, in moments when we're doing okay and when we're feeling stable, you know, those are really great moments to, um, you know, work with, with knowing ourselves better around those things, really getting to know where those places are that, that we can work with. Um, because I love the way that you talked about, you know, once we've been brave, we're always brave, right? Even the latency of. You know, that the existence of that sensation, even if we haven't enacted it, particularly in our life, it's there in this timeless space. And so, again, putting more space around our experience so that we can, we can step into that. that place where there's more possibility, right? And who we are is more possible than when we're in a real constricted sense, um, of what's happening, uh, when we're responding in fear or in anxiety to a change that's happening. And, you know, this is, I mean, it's so important for our own life, obviously for, for us, you know, feeling good and stable and being able to navigate our lives well. And it's also incredibly important for the impact we have on the world because when we're acting from that place of deep anxiety about the changes that we're experiencing, that's when we're going to bring our ugliest behavior forward, our most constricted behavior, our most dominating behavior, even our most violent behavior, um, our, our ability to disregard other people's Needs and feelings. Our ability to disregard our own needs and feelings, to be in a lack of compassion for ourselves and others because we just need to satisfy the, the anxiety that's, that's governing us. Um, and a lot of ugliness gets created in the world and in our relationships when we allow that or when we're, when we're unaware that that's even what's happening, right? That that part of ourself is really running the show. Um, and so this, you know, this work of finding, um, you know, finding a way to, to navigate changes in a way that brings a sense of peace that allows us to, you know, recognize what's actually happening in a given moment, um, to have that sense of resilience and to, um. To have that sense of openness, um, it impacts our lives, but it also impacts the lives of the people around us. Um, and by extension, the people around them and so on. Um, so, yeah, it matters. It matters a lot. And there's very solid, very effective ways of changing our relationship to change. Uh, such that we, uh, experience it as a, opportunity to grow and to be more of who we are rather than Something that beats us down. Um, and I've definitely had experiences on both sides of that dynamic, big changes that felt like they just beat me down and I was just so worn out on the other side of it. You know, I had to recover. I had to like fix things about myself and changes that were so hard and required so much of me and that I came on the other side feeling incredibly strong and resilient and more just bigger, more of myself on the other side of that. So, um, how we navigate that change matters a good deal. I love all of this. I love, I mean, you know, coming back to the first topic, you know, our way of, of naming it is staying positive in the midst of change. I think, um, you know, you can't have that without bravery, uh, and resilience. And so thank you so much for all that you shared, um, McKayla and Bronwen. And thank you to your listener for joining us on this discussion. And if you are navigating the big waves of change, uh, I hope you found some wisdom in this episode that is insightful and, um, helpful for you to in this moment and to stay strong and brave and resilient and positive. in the midst of, you know, this big and little changes that are happening in our lives. So, um, stay strong in your practice as well. Keep using your Reiki practice to support and guide you through the process. And we look forward to seeing you on a future episode. So in the meantime, feel free to like, share, comment, all the things, um, so that we can stay in touch. And we look forward to talking with you again soon. Blessings. Bye. Bye.