RWP Episode #178: Reiki Mind, Beginner's Mind with Reiki Women Podcast

In this episode of the Reiki Women Podcast, hosts Bronwen Logan and Michaela Daystar explore the concept of a 'beginner's mind' and its significance in the practice of Reiki. 

They discuss how this Zen Buddhist idea, popularized by Shunryu Suzuki's book 'Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind,' translates to the system of Reiki. 

The conversation delves into the benefits of maintaining a beginner's mindset, avoiding rigidity, and embracing play and fun. 

Real-life examples and personal experiences provide insights into how one can integrate this perspective into both spiritual practice and everyday life. 

Join the conversation and learn how to keep your Reiki practice open, joyful, and accessible.

Here's the article by Bronwen, Beginner's Luck & the System of Reiki
https://reikiwithbronwen.com/beginners-luck-and-the-system-of-reiki/

00:26 Introduction to Reiki Women Podcast
01:49 Chapter 1: Understanding Beginner's Mind
02:32 Origins in Zen Buddhism
03:55 Connection to Reiki Precepts
05:42 Chapter 2: Personal Experiences with Beginner's Mind
08:16  Chapter 3: Expertise vs. Beginner's Mind
11:39 The Journey to True Mastery
17:02 Chapter 4: Practical Applications in Reiki Practice
30:12 Chapter 5: Tips for Maintaining Beginner's Mind

Hosts
Bronwen Logan: https://ReikiwithBronwen.com
Carrie Varela: https://www.reikihealingsociety.com
Michaela Daystar: http://HeartscapesInsight.com

Our email: reikiwomenpodcasts@gmail.com

Our own RWP Facebook Group discussion: Embodying Reiki
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Transcript

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"In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." It's this idea that as a beginner we come to something very clear without expectation, without baggage. It's a very open way of being. Welcome friends to the Reiki Women Podcast, an exploration into the profound depths of the system of Reiki. From a Japanese spiritual perspective and how that relates to our modern lives, we are keeping it real to Reikis origins, challenging the new age stereotype that things like. Crystals, chakras and angels are authentic aspects of the system. I'm Bronwyn Logan, and when I'm not writing best selling books about the Japanese system of Reiki, 75,000 readers and counting, I'm here debunking, outmoded reiki myths and coaching individuals and groups. Through my website, Reiki with Bronwyn. And I'm Mikayla de star, lead teacher and Weaver of Hardscapes Reiki connecting the dots between reiki and environmental and social justice because our individual healing cannot be extracted from healing relationship with the collective and with the land. And I'm Carrie Rela from the Reiki Healing Society here to help you transform your reiki practice into a thriving, prosperous business. 'cause while passion fuels your purpose, it's time to make it sustainable, authentic, and beautifully used. We're three women diving into the heart of Japanese Reiki. We're building a community that centers women's voices and inspires wellbeing. We're not just for women, we're for everybody. Come join the conversation. Hello friends. Welcome back to Reiki Women podcast Today, Rama and I wanna have a conversation about something that is often bantered about. It's the sort of phrase that you hear over and over again, but we wanna Unpack it a bit. We wanna dig into it a bit and see where we, feel and what we think about the idea of a beginner's mind. What does it mean? How does it benefit us to take on this mindset? And of course, what does it have to do with the system of reiki? So that is what we are gonna chat about today, Bronwyn, and I know you. wanted to ground us in with a resource that anybody who's interested in this topic might wanna pick up and that can help us frame this conversation. Yeah, tell us about it. I think the, the phrase has become well known through a book that was written, years ago by Shinra Suzuki, who's a zen, teacher. And, the book is called, Zen Mind Beginner's Mind. Mm-hmm. it was quite popular, I think the concept has always been a Buddhist or a Zen concept, but I can see that it transfers beautifully into the system of reiki. What the benefits of having this. Concept of a beginner's mind is for, a Reiki practitioner. I think is really interesting and something I'd really like to, chat about with you. There is a quote from the book and, I wrote it down. It's, in the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities in the experts. There are few, right? So that's, it's this idea that, as a beginner. We come to something very, clear without expectation, without baggage. so it it's a very, open, way of being. Yeah. And when I was thinking about this, I was realizing that it's the space of the reiki precepts. Hmm. And we always say, don't we, that the Reiki precepts are what we are working toward in our practice, in the system of reiki. if we are without baggage, so we are without anger, without worry, we're not holding onto these things and we are humble. So we are not, being the expert. Yeah, and we are, honest, so we are not creating stories out of anything, of making things up. those stories can be things like, oh, every time I do this I fail. Or, every time I do this, I'm fantastic. Whatever the story is, there are no stories if we are honest and we are just here in the moment. So for today only, and, we're kind to ourselves, it gives us that space to be open. And for me, that's representative of the reiki precepts, all those things. And when we are in that space, there's no disconnection. No. How would you say that? No. Boundaries, between us and whatever this thing is. I actually wrote an article about it a number of years ago and I think I called it, something like. Beginner's luck. Oh, that's right. Beginner's luck And the system of reiki. So that's a blog on my website and talk about this idea, I used the example of shooting an arrow, I'm sure I've read it somewhere as well. This idea that the very first time that you shoot an arrow towards a target and. Beginners luck, you hit the center of the target. How's that possible? And if we pull that apart, we can see that it's possible because of those things that I've just mentioned, so that we are not holding on, we don't have expectations, we are not emotionally involved. There's no story we clear and that allows us just to have that beautiful, pure focus. So have you had beginner's luck before? Mikayla? I, love the, the metaphor that you just used and, the quote that you read. I, actually just for the first time in my life a few days ago, shot a bow and arrow Uhhuh, and I have. Fancied myself in my imagination, like Elvin Warrior, absolute, master of the Bow and Arrow my entire life. Okay? I have owned two bows and a quiver of arrows and all of the accessories four years and have never shot them. And, To be perfectly honest, it was probably because of fear. probably because of that feeling that that absolute certainty that I would be bad at it when I start and it takes time to develop skill and difficulty. And I would need somebody to show me, and I would do it badly and then I would be embarrassed. And, and a friend of mine just was like, Hey, you wanna come over and shoot your bow? Like I just set up a, a target in the backyard. And I was like, is that legal? He is like, eh, let's go. So, whether or not it's not, don't do that. and so, here I am, haven't done it before, have studied it a bunch, have imagined it a bunch, have wanted to do it, a bunch, have never done it. my third and fourth shots were bull. Ooh, now I hit the fence at least a dozen times. Okay. Yeah, so like was bad at it, to a certain extent. But those, it was interesting what happened, in the light of this conversation, because like the fir, when I first hit those two bullseye two in a row, I, I joked like, oh, well I am now. An Elvin Warrior princess, like, I have arrived. Here we are. And then I hit the fence three more times in a row. Right? And so that, that idea of the beginner versus the expert, right? The duality of that, was kind of in this, this joke and then like, ah, I hit the fence. And back to being a beginner, right? It was like. The whole, all of the fears of I'm gonna do it badly and I'm gonna be embarrassed and blah, blah. It was like, no, this is just fun. I'm just doing it. It was cool to hit a bullseye. It's fun to do it this other way. It, it was just, it was just fine. so that's ironic. You use that example. I think fun is, is a big part of it. It's like a likeness, isn't it? And exactly. Fun is fun is not attached to. Failure or expectation. Yeah. And it's also fun is also not often associated with the stereotype of the expert. Right? Once you are an expert, then you're beyond all of that, you're bigger than that. You're, fun is for babies, and I, I just, yeah, I'm really compelled by that, that. Comparison in that quote. And then, bringing it back to concepts that we work with regularly in, in reiki and obviously the, just for today and the precepts really invites us back into beginner's mind, invites us to recognize that we're always starting again. and it feels so connected to just being aware and embodying the reality of constant change that things. Including ourselves are always changing and either growing or deconstructing or starting again. that like nature is this cyclical, reinventing itself, recreating itself at all times, right? And not just like start to finish, start again, but at all times there is some form of beginning happening again. If we look at the world and if we look at ourselves, but our. Human, mind and the way that our, our mind tries to kind of handle all of the complexities of being so aware of so much of the world. one of the things that we do is that we. to honestly to conserve energy and to be able to kind of stay focused and to rest, we kind of put our experiences into these buckets that seem to be unchanging. we, we go through a period of change and growth and then we settle, and then we perceive that our life is kind of more or less unchanging for a while. And then when change happens and things new come, there's this disruption and it can be quite. Unsettling. It can be quite devastating when change comes again. even if the change is good, right? Even if it's oh, I'm feeling so compelled to go back to college and, do that thing that I abandoned long ago. A good thing. But that can also bring quite a bit of stress. And one of the things that I've worked with for a long time for myself and with clients is. Like change perception, like being able to perceive that we are in fact always changing and therefore we're always beginning again, connected to that is a concept that. I, was introduced to, in terms of the system of reiki through you primarily years ago, which is that idea of having an initial experience of ourselves and of the world and the idea of the Raju as an initiation rather than an attunement. And that what we're doing and when we kind of return to that ritual and when we return to reiki and when we return to the precepts and we say, just for today, I anger not. It is a beginning again. It is having an initial experience, a first experience, a beginning experience with who and what I am right now, which is different than who and what I was yesterday. and that concept is so powerful. It's one of those that can seem like semantics. Like, what, what's the difference? But, but it's not, it's again, it's change awareness that. We are in fact returning to things that feel familiar from a slightly different perspective every time. And so beginner's mind, helps us to make that more conscious and to, to bring that into our perspective in ways that have benefits. And I'd, love to talk a little bit about what those benefits are. Why, why does it matter that we bring that perspective in? And, and what are the characteristics of a beginner's mind? Right? We already talked about play and fun, lightheartedness, wonder what are some other characteristics you would associate with a beginner's mind? Well, I, was thinking about sports people. I guess it comes in with the arrow thing, but I was thinking about sports people. So if you look at sports people who are at the very top of their. Field, I'm gonna say it's a runner. Yeah. And, they're working so hard to get to a place and what is that place? Where is it that they're going to, the actual place where they wanna get to? Is that place of that initial experience that beginner's mind, but. To actually get through to that space to make it something that they can just go into. Then they need to learn a whole bunch of techniques and practices and, they, they need to learn things that will bring them into that and give them that ability. But when they get to that space, they have to let go into that space. But that's when they can let go and not hold onto, oh no, I have to do it this way. Or if they're thinking all those things, they can't actually be in that space. So it's the same as a meditator or a Reiki practitioner. Yep. So we have all these practices and they are there to take us to this space and it's to actually teach us to let go. But we can't just go, oh, I'm gonna let go right now. Whew. I let go and there because I'm not there and I'm here with you and we are talking and all these things are going on in my head and I, need to let go. So I think it's learning that skill through whatever field it is that you're in, that you can. Get yourself to the point that you can let go and to achieve whatever it is that is it, it is that you're doing. So it could be sport or it could be whatever, but then being so confident in your body, in your mind, and just in every way embodying this thing and just being able to know it. And to let go into it. So I think those could be some characteristics of what it means. Um, yeah. Yeah. Can you read that quote again? Yeah. In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities. So we have this openness to things. Yes. In the experts. There are few. Yeah. So it's interesting 'cause that quote suggests that. A beginner's mind is something that is quite different from, maybe even opposite from an an expert's mind or, but it's not the case that a beginner's mind and expertise have to be completely dualistic to each other. But the, but the challenge is in the natural constriction of our mindset when we gain expertise, and I think that's what you're. alluding to with the, with the idea of, of a, of an athlete needing to let go and kind of let the wisdom of their body and, and let their training and all of that kind of take over without being so constricted. Because one of the characteristics, like if you look up, the summary of that book and the characteristics that got distilled, certainly openness, playfulness, excitement, but also a lack of preconception. And it's preconceptions that is the providence of the expert, right? Because we, we have, we have gained expertise by experiencing a thing over and over and over and over again, and narrowing down our, our work with it and, and, narrowing down how we work with it because we've learned what works and what doesn't work. And so we're gonna do this and not this. So this is no longer a possibility. We're only gonna do this. because we've decided this is better for whatever reason. and so that process of refining our skill at something. Anything, anything about which one might have expertise from brushing your teeth to neurosurgery, right. Anything we might have expertise in that process of gaining expertise, like almost necessarily narrows our sense of possibility because it narrows our preconceptions and or no, I said that wrong. It. Establishes preconceptions. Yes, we have more of them. we have preconceived what is gonna be good and what is bad, and what we should do and what we shouldn't do. And so there's an interesting, invitation here. If we, if we can see that having a beginner's mind gives us more flexibility, more access to joy, more access to excitement and playfulness, more access to possibility. It allows us to be in touch with the reality of the world, which is that everything is always changing, always and forever. That includes us. and that, we're also always growing. Or deconstructing growing again, until we die. And then we're physically deconstructed and then we're, then we start again. Ooh, I got excited and bombed my computer. so if we can, if we accept that those are good things, right? That, that, that those are valuable, qualities to have. And we have these teachings like just for today and like having an initial experience with life with ourself, our true self with. Our, connection to spirit or whatever it is, then it's not a matter of rejecting expertise, it's a matter matter of bringing a beginner's mind into the things about which we are expert, expert in. And I'm really, I'm curious about that. and I'm, I'm kind of thinking through examples. where has that been true and how can we make that more conscious? Yeah, I mean, I see, someone who says that they are an expert as someone who has limited their options. Mm-hmm. Right? And I think that's what it's saying, and that there's someone who's like, this is the only way it will work, because this is what I say. But if that is the case. I think that expert is not there yet because that expert hasn't got to the point of being able to let go of, these restrictions. Yeah. So it's like we begin with beginner's mind and then we, we move through into the expert mind and then we can move through again into the beginner's mind. I love that. I love that. Yeah. So because we, we don't need to hold those, limitations any longer. so for me, that concept of letting go is, is incredibly important and, being in the flow, being right. But, I, have a good reiki, little analogy here, so to this little quote. So when we call ourselves reiki masters. I was thinking the same thing. It is like saying I am an expert. Right. But as we know, we never know. And that is the most beautiful, experience of practicing reiki because being in reiki and just allowing whatever needs to happen to happen. It takes a lot of skill to be able to allow that to happen because. We are going, oh no, I need to do this. Shouldn't I have to, I have to do this. Oh, I want them to be I, I really want my client to feel this. And we are doing all these things, so we have to learn practices that teach us. That's not necessary and that we can let go of all of that and we can be in the flow and us being in the flow is then allowing anything and everyone, in our circle of awareness to, to feel that and be in that with us. Yeah. This is one of those places that. Paying attention to the language we use, I think really matters. And, and I, it's something I pay attention to a lot. It's just kind of how I'm wired and, come from a family of writers and professors. So like the written word and the spoken word are something that I may be overly aware of. I, think that, the value of that is that. we often will, will, we have patterns of speech that are subconscious. They're just kind of how we learn to, to talk. And so we don't necessarily interrogate and really think about, well, what does that actually mean, and, and this is one of those. So it's like the difference between saying, I am a master, I'm a reiki master, versus I am one who works towards mastery of this practice. Or I am an expert versus I have expertise. In Reiki, the system of reiki and the the like. Those two in contrast to each other, expert versus expertise, right? I am one with expertise. The one feels much more constricted and finite. It feels like a destination. Like I went to school, I did my preliminary work. I, moved through the systems. I've done it for 20 years and I am now an expert. Done. End of the road, right? Possibilities closed down. I have arrived right? I'm done changing. I'm done growing. Now, obviously that's not exactly reflective of reality. I mean, most experts will continue to, keep updated on things that are new in their field and so on, but. Semantically and in how we can sometimes internalize that there is this sense of, of finality, of like, this is a, an arrival place. Same with master versus I have expertise. Expertise is not finite. Expertise is not a destination. Expertise is an experience. It's an ongoing experience and it, so that's one of those places where that shift in language can help us to keep our mindset focused on. staying open in the way and letting go in the way that you're describing. And I think about, I, think about the way in which the English language is so much more finite and so much more structured and narrow. In its construction, which makes it very good for giving directions and explaining things and, talk, making logical arguments and such, being very clear about what we mean and what we don't mean. It's not very good at adding layers of meaning into something, revealing subtlety revealing. various ways in which a thing can be interpreted and having that be normalized. And so I think about, I'm, I'm curious now, like what the kanji of the word expert and expertise might reveal about the way in which those concepts are thought of. what other concepts are embedded in that collection of kanji that would make up those words? I'm just thinking of, there's a particular kanji that means. A junction, a critical juncture at which change becomes possible. Little kaji means a critical juncture at which change becomes possible. And that kaji is part of both the word crisis and the word opportunity, right? So that idea, that concept of a critical juncture where change becomes possible is part of both crisis and opportunity. And I love that because both of those experiences have this, this, opening. Right, and it shows you connection between crisis and opportunity. That inside of every crisis there is opportunity, and inside of every opportunity there's the potential for a crisis. And so I, I don't know, I'm, I'm on a tangent right now, but I, I just, I'm curious what the conge of those words. Beginner expert expertise might interesting. Show us. Just talking about kanji, we also have in reiki something, in the word reiki, in the kanji of that. We also have something which is sort of similar to what you were just talking about in the kanji for, key. Which is, you know, shows the rice being cooked in the bowl and the steam coming off the rice. Is this sort of like asterisk, sort of congy. There is a, a stroke added to that, which is transformation. So it's the transforming by practicing. It's the transforming of the, the physical, if you like, the rice, the foundation into energy. Yeah, so by, by practicing. Transformation change, initial experience, you know, beginner's mind. I feel like they're all really, connected and, yeah. In ways that are worth thinking about. Yeah, and I think it is saying, that you actually need to do the work to get to help you be a beginner's mind. I think that's such a really, I think that's such an important and, compassionate thing to remind us because is because that is a journey, right? Like when we're little. We're beginners. We have a beginner's mind naturally because that's where we at in our life. And then we do effort and we want to get expertise, and we want to get good at things. And so we learn the rules and we learn, a, a method and we learn to follow that method. And we'll have, varying degrees of interest and willingness and compulsion to follow the rules or not follow the rules, break the rules, right? There's a spectrum of, of how adherent to rules a person is. I tend to be. Just over the midway point into loosey goosey with the rules is where I tend to tend to fall. But either way, when I think about my Reiki journey, there was, and there's a period of that, my experience as a practitioner, let's call it the first three or four years where I was very rigid. And how I was applying those rules. I really wanted to get it right. I wanted to do it right. I wanted to be seen as getting it right, as having expertise. And to be honest, I wanted to be a reiki master, right? And so I needed to be master. And I've talked, in other conversations here about, the impact of that as making me fairly rigid and how I applied those methods and techniques and interpreted them. and that at a certain point I learned to let that go. I shifted, I took on a more expansive view of what Ricky is. I learned about its origins, et cetera, and am now in a much, much more fluid place. And my tendencies sometimes. Is to have some con condemnation for that past self. That rigid practitioner who was so silly that I was it has to be interpreted like this and it has to be done like this. Right. But what you're reminding us is that that's part of the process. Like we go through these periods of rigidity and we go through these periods of constriction and. And that it is an evolution to come back to beginner's mind that we come back to it. I'm sure there's people who have retained it more consistently throughout their life, but I, I, I think that as you're saying, it's more common that we return to it, and that it is almost a, a sign of a certain type of expertise to be able to kind of come back to that and to be able to experience the value of it. I just had a session, a reiki session the other day, with a good friend and she was going through a really difficult, traumatic experience and in the session, we had the whole conversation about you never know what's gonna come up in a session. You might have things, that feel difficult. We'll respond to them if they do. And within two minutes of the session she was on the floor screaming. Was the level of things that were coming up. And, while that was an extreme version of the variation that can happen in a session, and I didn't exactly know what to do, I'm I, don't exactly have a protocol. There isn't a, and here's what you do if your client ends up screaming on the floor. Right? Here's the rule, right? But what I did have was expertise. And I had confidence and I had, and I had trust in myself and in and in her process. And, and it was beautiful. Yeah. We, we were just in a kind of intuit and respond, oh, this wants to happen. Cool. Let's respond. Okay. I'm gonna actually just sit back and be in my breath right now while she does the work. 'cause she's obviously doing what she's supposed to be doing. And that scenario. Would've completely wrecked me in those first three years. I might have given up exactly breaking if I had had that experience. it would've been very, very challenging. And, yeah, so, so being grateful for being able to take a beginner's mind in that moment and say, I don't know exactly what to do, but I know that, that we're gonna be okay. And I know that my presence here matters and I know that we've got this. and we did. if, yeah, it's almost like, not saying that you don't know what to do. It is what, I guess it is what you said. It's that sitting back into all that work that you've done that allows whatever needs to happen to happen and for you to be there in whatever way is going to work in that situation. And because of your experience, you know. Right. Yeah. And I guess maybe it would be more accurate to say, not that I didn't know what to do, but what I knew to do, what the right thing to do was to sit back, to let it go, to observe, to be present, to release control of what was happening, but to pay close attention and to be present and to be responsive. So it's like I knew what to do, but what to do wasn't a this and this and this and this. Exactly. And you know, that's gonna be different every time too, because of. Who that person is and what's happening with them. So what, what is one thing that you would advise yourself and others as a way to encourage yourself or others to stay or to get back into a beginner's mind? Is there. A practice or like how would you get back into a beginner's mind if you felt that rigidity of expertise or of. Fear. Yeah. Maybe going back to something that you said early on and that is remembering the fun of something because of that lightness. Because when we are really rigid, our mind is rigid then too. Yeah. So we, we want to release that in some way and finding the joy. That fun and, allowing that to bubble up and be a bit more playful and see what comes out of that, if that can help you to loosen up a little bit. But, I, I think that gaining that expertise is going to allow you to go into that space. So maybe. Gaining the expertise. Don't jump into it too quick. Don't go cookie master. I just did three days of training and here I Yeah. Give that client who's screaming on the floor. That's what I wanna do. I, I think, I think, I think play is such an important point of, of beginning. I, I think about, I'm, I'm doing a session at the Reiki Business Summit. Y'all should attend, on how to, run a, a really good online class. And I put out, to the group that I that's running the summit, what questions folks had. Like, here's the topic, I know what I wanna talk about, what are you most curious about? And universally the questions were logistical questions about the tech. And a lot of it is like, I'm terrified to share my screen because I don't know what they're gonna see and they're gonna see all my tabs and that's gonna be embarrassing, or I'll share the wrong thing or whatever, whatever. Or I'm afraid of Zoom bombers and I don't know what to do about that. And so I don't ever do a Zoom thing or, whatever. Things like that. And, fatigue, right? And the idea, and it's like, I'm like, have you, my, in my mind my question was. Have you tried those things in a neutral setting where there's not a class and you're not, you haven't sold tickets to a thing that people are showing up for you to be the expert of? Have you just jumped on Zoom with some friends and just played with it? What happens when I share my screen this way? What do you see? What happens when I do this? What do you see? did you get sent into a breakout room or, or not? like, have you played at all? And the answer was no. No. I'm afraid of it. I don't know how to do it. I'm not an expert in it, and therefore I'm not gonna create these online classes that I really, really want to. Yeah. And I'm like, the answer is play. Yeah. Let yourself be bad at it and let people who can just be there with you. And that's something we haven't, and you being an expert. Yeah. That's something that we actually haven't mentioned, which is that it's okay to make a mistake. And I think that that's a big thing of this expert thing of being like this and mistakes, Mistakes help us learn and, mistakes give us possibilities. I always say I'm so much more creative when I have a problem. like if I'm making art or something like that, if there is something that I don't have or cooking even, if I don't have an ingredient, well I think of something else, possibilities. But if I go, no, this is what it is and this is how it works, well then I, I can't cook. Because I don't have the ingredients, but instead I could try something different. And maybe I make something really amazing and interesting, maybe not. Or maybe you make something absolutely terrible, but the chickens will eat it. They don't care. Yeah. I mean, and I think about, another strategy is like noticing where we're attached to a particular outcome. You know, I'm dealing with some challenging household stuff, and one of the things that was making it challenging and that I'm working on and it's really helping is I became aware that I was really attached to a particular outcome. this is what I wanna happen, which means this is what should happen, which this means, this is what's gonna happen, and we're gonna, we're gonna contort everything and narrow everything down so that that's what happens. Instead of saying, is that the right thing to happen? Is that actually the best solution? Am I missing something? If this happened, would it be awful or would it be okay? Is there a possibility here that I'm not seeing? Of course the answer is yes, and I'm, I'm in such a better mindset about it because I've been well. I have a preferred outcome. I'm not attached to it. If a different thing has to be done, it's not, it's not horrible. It's just a different thing that we have to do. And that works because you're not coming from a place of fear, right? That whatever it is that you wanted to happen isn't gonna happen. Which is working with the precepts, right? So it's working on yourself to allow yourself to actually be free enough to think like that. Absolutely. Yeah, it's fantastic. God, do the work, people, God, God, do the work. Okay. Well that was fun. It was fun. It was indeed. Well, friends, tell us your experiences with beginner's mind. Is it something you struggle with this? Is it something that you've thought about at all? do you find yourself easily? You know, allowing yourself to consider multiple options. How do you respond to play? Is that something that feels, that you can step into easily? Or do you struggle with it? We would love to know. And if you have, methods, tips for folks, Bringing a beginner's mind into their life, please do share them down in the comments. We love to see what you think about these topics. So thanks, Branwin for this great conversation. See you later, Mikayla time. We love ya. In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities, in the experts there are few." It's this idea that as a beginner we come to something very clear without expectation, without baggage. It's a very open way of being.