Headstrong: When a Mother's Love Becomes a Movement

Cheryl Colleluori's 19-year-old son Nicholas had a vision to help young adults facing serious health challenges - and even though she couldn't save him, she's made sure his mission saves thousands.

In this deeply moving conversation, Cheryl shares the raw truth about losing a child and finding purpose in the deepest pain imaginable.

Cheryl's heartbreaking words: "I'm a mom. I'm supposed to put bandaids on it and make it better - but I couldn't fix it. I couldn't save his life."

But here's what she did instead:

• Built the HEADstrong Foundation from her son's vision
• Created Nick's Houses in Philadelphia and Boston
• Provided support for thousands of young adults during their toughest battles
• Turned one teenager's compassionate idea into a global movement

Chapters:

[00:00] Introduction & Hosts Preview
[01:26] Meet Cheryl Colleluori
[01:40] Nick's Athletic Dreams and Sudden Symptoms
[03:16] The Devastating Diagnosis
[04:59] Nick Creates HEADstrong Foundation From Hospital Bed
[05:34] Going Home on Hospice
[06:13] Nick's Final Promises and Vision
[07:39] What the Foundation Does Today
[08:56] Creating Nick's House
[10:22] How Families Get Help
[11:32] Different from Ronald McDonald House
[12:27] Expanding to Boston and Beyond
[13:46] Fundraising Challenges
[15:01] Success Stories That Save Lives
[17:37] How Cheryl Copes With Grief
[19:45] Signs From Nick and the Afterlife
[21:51] Starting With $67 Lime Green Shoelaces
[23:37] How to Support the Foundation
[24:17] Annual Gala Event

What makes this story extraordinary:  Nineteen years after losing Nicholas, Cheryl continues fighting for his vision every single day. She's transformed her grief into a force that helps other families avoid the isolation her son experienced.

Key insights:

• How to channel devastating loss into meaningful purpose
• Why community support is crucial for young adults facing health challenges
• The power of keeping promises to those we've lost
• How love transcends loss and creates lasting change

Cheryl serves as President of the HEADstrong Foundation and is recognized as a 2025 Titan 100 winner. She's a member of the Abramson Cancer Center Leadership Council and continues to expand Nicholas's vision worldwide.

The ultimate message: When we can't save the one we love most, sometimes we can save others in their name.

Learn more: HeadStrong.org

Cheryl Colleluori is President of the HEADstrong Foundation and continues her son Nicholas's mission to support young adults facing serious health challenges.

Transcript

00:00 - Stacey (Host)
So what we're doing today is talking about grief, but we're talking about a grieving mother who took her son's vision on his deathbed and turned it into an incredible gift to so many other families who are dealing with what she had to deal with, but now in a more comfortable way. 

00:22 - Mark (Host)
He had a dying wish and he made a very clear, simple statement and they've taken that into a multi-million dollar foundation. 

00:30 - Stacey (Host)
Organization called the Headstrong Foundation Cheryl Cololori. 

00:34 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

00:35 - Stacey (Host)
Is just an incredible human being and you will feel the passion from her, because I've met her before. 

00:43 - Mark (Host)
And I felt the passion from her. I was so moved by her yeah, and her before and I felt the passion for her. 

00:45 - Stacey (Host)
I was so moved by her and her story that I called mark immediately and I was like we have to talk to. 

00:50 - Mark (Host)
You know what? I can't wait. I think it's gonna be an amazing episode. We've done episodes in the past that people have lost their kids. It's always heart-wrenching, but there's a positive spin here because of what that loss has meant to so many other families that would not have benefited had Cheryl not lost her son, nick. I can't wait to speak to her. 

01:08 - Stacey (Host)
It's unthinkable. No one wants to even think about it. But she has things that she can help other parents with, including Nick's house. Nick's house and I can't wait to talk to her. Yeah, let's go. Hi, I'm Stacey. 

01:26 - Mark (Host)
And I am Mark, and this is the Gurus and Game Changers podcast. 

01:32 - Stacey (Host)
Do you want to just tell the story? What happened? What happened to Nick? I know he was a vibrant, healthy lacrosse player, right. 

01:40 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Nick was a tremendous athlete. So he was a three-sport athlete at Ridley, captain of two teams. You know Nick was a tremendous athlete. So he was a three-sport athlete at Ridley, captain of two teams. You know football and lacrosse. His dream was to play at the Division I level and you know I chuckled because he wasn't big but he had the heart of a lion and he had the mentality. When I tell you, his mental outlook was something that I've not yet experienced again. You know he would. He thought, like I'm six foot five. He was a 150 pound news guard, starting as a freshman and the first in football, and the first play he knocked the quarterback down, picked up the ball and ran and scored a touchdown. Whoa, and this is the kid that you know. He was recognized by the eagles and we went down and they took one look at him and they started to chuckle because you just didn't see this power house and you look at the kid you're like this doesn't make sense. 

02:42
On lacrosse field, the same situation. He was a four-time state champion out of Ridley High School for years, and I think that might be a record. My two younger sons made a pact when they were little boys, seven and eight years old that they were going to play at that level and that dream was realized. For three weeks Nick's sophomore year, michael's freshman year they were together and Nick. We had a sudden onset of allergy-like symptoms and it was just like a whistling right nostril. Now, I never associated cancer to a whistling right nostril. 

03:15 - Stacey (Host)
No, I don't think anyone would. 

03:16 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Doctor said you know, at some point in your life you're going to need your adenoid removed. I said I want your next available appointment. We went in and we had the adenoid taken out. There was no restriction so he could go right back to school and he was really excited to get back into the fall season. I was by myself and when the doctor came out of the OR he said Mrs Carlori, can I speak to you in this office? I'm like me. And he said said you know, you were right. The adenoid needed to come out. And he said but I didn't like the texture of the tissue. I said well, what's been irritated? And you know, he said or lymphoma. I almost fell off the chair, I was like I don't remember much, my legs kind of buckled. I'm like lymphoma, what do you mean? 

04:01
and I did not know that the adenoid was part of the lymph system and the source of Nick's cancer was nasopharynx area, and so we began this 14 month very, very difficult journey and Nick did not respond to treatment. It was during that time that, you know, nick really recognized a lack of available resources for him, not only for himself, but for our family. It was 2 o'clock in the morning one morning and we were impatient and he woke me up. I stayed with him whenever he was at the hospital. He said would you read this? He passed me this piece of paper. I'm reading it and I'm like what is this? He said well, I'm going to create an organization. I said what do you mean? You mean? He said well, you should not be sitting on that chair and resources should be available for patients and blah, blah, blah and like wow really, I said I'm going to use my platform as a division one athlete, I'm going to take a stance against this disease. 

04:59
I'm going to bring awareness to what families endure both, both financially, emotionally. And he was so determined and the Hestrong Foundation was born from his hospital bed. And then, yes, as we were going into the OR, we were sitting in the waiting room. He was on the gurney and he said do you have a piece of paper and pencil? I'm like I have a napkin. He's like I'll take it. He's doodling away, doodling away. Turns it around. He went logo. I said you have got to be kidding me. We came home on hospice and he wouldn't even mean hospice. We were home one and a half days. What? 

05:34 - Mark (Host)
Wow. 

05:34 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
One and a half days. 

05:36 - Mark (Host)
Had he deteriorated to the point where that makes sense. 

05:45 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
One and a half days, or was it something more? We left the hospital with zero. He had zero platelets. He had zero red cells, zero, you know. Like he had no cells and, um, I didn't know what it meant to go home on hospice like you know, I had no experience with this we came home saturday afternoon and he was gone, uh, monday into the sunday night, into Monday morning, wow. 

06:05 - Mark (Host)
Yeah. 

06:05 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
And we never talked about. I'm sure he knew, but it wasn't. Why did we need to mention it? 

06:12 - Stacey (Host)
Right. 

06:13 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Like when we got in the car, you know, going home, and he took the keys from my husband and said Dad, get in the back, you're too upset, I need to talk to Mom. And so we got him situated in the car and he's like, before we pull out of the garage, like we need to talk. So you know, I think that was his way of saying you know, because he was like, if things don't go our way, yeah, three things. One was that he would be in his Hofstra uniform. Two, that there would be a scholarship at our local high school so that someone else that bled green his spirit would continue. And then he said but finally and most importantly, you have to promise me that you'll take the Headstrong Foundation over. 

07:01
I'm like what he said, mom, it's so important and you have to promise me that other people that following my footsteps will benefit from my life was his exact words. And he said we're not going to have this conversation again. And he said the brotherhood of athletics will never turn their back on you, mom, and I know that you can take it to the heights that it belongs. And that was the only time we kind of talked about it and I said I promise you, I promise you this that I will do my best. 

07:35 - Mark (Host)
I know some of the good things that you're doing, but go through the things that the foundation does Well two. 

07:39 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
One thing I, you know. First, I wanted to say thank you for this opportunity to allow me to share my story, and you know I I wanted to say thank you for this opportunity to allow me to share my story, and you know I love like game changer, because we are game changers for cancer patients. Really, our focus over the next 30 years, our long-term vision, is our next house, and that is access and affordability to cancer care. There's a lot of people that are told that you need to get to Philadelphia for treatment. Well, how am I going to do that? How am I going to leave my you know, my, my support system? Where am I going to stay? How are? How am I going to afford this? 

08:12
And so Nick's House was born in 2011. And when we went back and we did a deep dive, it's like Nick's House kept rising to the to the surface Like you do this really, really well why We've lived it. We met families living out of their car at Penn. We met a family that you know they had nowhere to go and we took them. We let them go home to our house to shower and do laundry and, you know, we thought if we could ever do something to. You know, to help that, to give people the opportunity we would, and we opened our first facility in 2011. And it was almost like a test pilot, like could, can we do this? You know how's it going to work and you know we went into it like blind, yeah and that's best yeah and you know what we learned a lot of valuable lessons. 

08:56
But one thing we realized was the need, and you know, you know the hospitals kept saying geez, could you expand this, could we need? 

09:04
you know, yeah, so in 2018, we bought next house that we have right now. Uh, it's an 8 000 square foot estate. It's absolutely magnificent. We host seven families at a time and the families move in and they become one family and they're able to do whatever they need to do, make memories, get to the hospital for their care. We have a fitness center, we have an office for you know, if the caregiver needs to continue to work, we have all that available for them All the comforts of home, without the worry. 

09:36 - Mark (Host)
Wow. 

09:37 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
And it's really, it's really a special place. It's so much more than you know a home it's, it's promise, it's hope, it hope it's. You know, and we've had so many success stories that wouldn't have been that way had they not had this opportunity, because where somebody lives should not determine if they live. And so may a year ago, um, we opened our second facility in boston. Uh, both facilities are full, uh, which is, which is unbelievable. And, and now our, you know, we have a third one in the works. And so our long-term plan is to be aligned with all of the nationally recognized cancer institutions as a compliment, allowing their patients to get that life-saving treatment. 

10:22 - Stacey (Host)
How do you choose the families? I'm sure you have families coming to you all the time that need that service. So how do they get in? 

10:29 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
So it's first come first, first in first out. You know, the first application we get is the person that gets the reservation. 

10:36
Mm-hmm, um, you know, unfortunately we're full a lot right um, and I hate like heck when that happens, but, um, we try to ask people to give us as much notice, you know. But sometimes they're admitted in an er and and you know they're five hours from home and you know they're going to be here for a while, or you know, our average day is about eight weeks. Wow, average savings during that eight week. It's about, uh, between ten and twelve thousand dollars for 30 days, especially if there was a hotel stay involved. Um, where do you come up with that money? Yeah, you're, you're. These people arrive on our doorsteps and their wallets are emptied and they're here on a wing and a prayer and we welcome them in and we become part of the process, their healing process, their support system. You know, it's really wonderful. 

11:29 - Stacey (Host)
That's amazing. Yeah, how is this different from, like a Ronald McDonald House type situation? 

11:32 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Ronald McDonald House is really respite for mom and dad. 

11:35 - Stacey (Host)
Okay, oh, really, yeah, I know nothing about that. Yeah. 

11:39 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
So you know they're running back and forth, they're taking a break and they're running back and forth, okay, and when treatment stops, they typically go. Yeah, it's like if somebody's in for five days, so we're long term, okay. There's also costs involved. Ronald McDonald has a daily cost Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, and also costs involved. Ronald mcdonald has a daily cost wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, and ronald mcdonald is a wonderful service, right, but it's critically and chronically ill children. So it could be, you know, it could be, uh, diabetes or heart disease or, you know, or arthritic problems, cerebral palsy, whatever. 

12:14
we are solely oncology oncology yeah, so there's a few differences. 

12:20 - Stacey (Host)
Wow, yeah so you're just so. Now you're going to expand just one nick's house in each cancer area that will house. 

12:27 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Yeah, I'm not going to say just one, because I'm like, oh, it sounds like we need more well, it all depends on funding. Yeah, it all depends on funding. I mean, we have somebody that's already begging for another one in boston, because we're always full, but we invested two and a half million dollars in Boston yeah, so let's, and so we, I've got a check, so yeah, exactly, I need, I need me a sugar daddy but so it's a. 

12:54 - Mark (Host)
It's a. Is the facility in Boston similar to the one in Philly? Is it in Philly? Well, the similar. 

13:00 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
The similarities are the non-negotiables free of charge, long-term accommodations, those sort of things. The office, the fitness center, those things are pretty standard. It doesn't look like the same. We couldn't find what we. I realize that Boston's Boston and wherever we go will have its own identity, but Lime Green Doors is a non-negotiable uh. Lime green represents the mature b-cell non-hoccyx lymphoma that Nick had and which is just an important color to the organization. 

13:31 - Mark (Host)
So how many families is that all seven? Seven, that seems so many, that's big it's wonderful, isn't? It. It's about a hundred. 

13:38 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
It's a hundred plus a year. Wow, wow, yeah, pretty pretty sharp, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, it's about 100, it's 100 plus a year. Wow, wow, yeah, pretty sharp isn't it? Yeah, I know I love it, so how? 

13:46 - Stacey (Host)
do you go about raising funds for this? Like what do you? 

13:48 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
guys do I beg yeah? 

13:51 - Stacey (Host)
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14:13 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Of course we are a 501c3 and we are 100% supported by the public, really through donations. So you you know, if somebody would like to uh make a donation, they can certainly come for a tour and they can see firsthand their dollar at work yeah, that's great um that's the important piece. You know, it's like when I was on, when I was with the gentleman the other day and he got very, very emotional and he said to me the hospital, um healed me physically, but Headstrong Foundation healed me emotionally. 

14:45
And I thought wow, that really captures it, you know that's wonderful, but just giving people that opportunity to access care you know in hopes of a greater outcome is really the future of the Headstrong Foundation. 

14:59 - Stacey (Host)
Tell me a success story. You said there's so many. 

15:01 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Oh, my goodness gracious Is of one. I can think of so many, but we had a family that traveled hours. We've had several, we had several, but the one family in particular traveled from knoxville, tennessee, and they arrived on the doorstep with two babies two and a half year old little boy and a nine month old little girl and, unbeknownst to us, both children had the same cancer oh my gosh and they were misdiagnosed and then, when they finally were diagnosed correctly, the doctor said you got one shot and that shot is in philadelphia. 

15:39
He quit his job, she's a teacher on sabbatical and they drove 900 miles and they were with us for about three or four months and you know both kids are doing well and so that that's amazing, right. 

15:53
we had another family, that our very first family at nick's house in our new facility. This gentleman came in and he was in a wheelchair and the house is all ad a compatible. Mind you, my Nick was in a wheelchair at the end of his life and we want to make sure that everybody's welcomed. And so this gentleman came in and in a wheelchair and his cancer was external and I had never seen it. It was on, it was on outside of his body, to the point where if you looked at him, your eyes teared, like it was. You know, really, and I thought to myself this man is never going to make it. Two years goes by and I get this letter in the mail with a, with a, with a picture, and it's a gentleman and he's's in a tuxedo and he's walking his daughter down the aisle and I'm like, who is this? And here it was Joe, oh my gosh. 

16:47
And he is in complete remission and I think to myself wow, we played a part in that, we were a game changer in that man's life. 

16:57
I just feel so connected to Nick and a lot of the guests. They feel very inspired by Nick. We have his portrait above the fireplace in both locations and I find a lot of times the patients are kind of like staring at it and I feel as though they're you know, they're pulling strength from him. It's not easy. It's certainly not easy, and but here's my philosophy. I've done hard, I said goodbye to my child, so what's the worst that can? 

17:29 - Mark (Host)
happen. Somebody says no, right, you know, it's not that bad. 

17:33 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
No, yeah, it's not that bad you um. 

17:37 - Mark (Host)
You talked about how your kids coped yep, how your husband coped. 

17:39 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Yeah, yep, how your husband coped, yep. 

17:41 - Mark (Host)
You didn't talk about yourself. 

17:44 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
I never do. Um, I don't know how to answer that. 

17:54 - Mark (Host)
Or are you still dealing with it? Right? It never goes away, but in that moment. 

17:59 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
I'll deal with it for the rest of my life. You know, it's funny because I, a year after my son passed, I had this woman call our house and she said to me you know, I was the grief counselor at Ridley and I was there for a month. I said what? Like I didn't even know what went on outside my own front door and she said the community was devastated, own front door. And she said your, the community was devastated. And uh, she said I'd like to offer my services to you and your family. 

18:30
And so I said to the boys you know what do you think? You know? No, you know they're macho. My husband's like no, I don't think. So I said well, you know what, I'm gonna go. And I went. And it was amazing because she said to me what bothers you? And I said people say I have to stop questioning why. And she said people. I said people say to me I have to stop crying. And she said, cheryl, you are never going to stop crying. I'm like ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, somebody gets me. And she said you know, if I go out, if I leave this room and I come back with God and you are you're, you can ask him why? Why, nick? Why didn't he respond and he would give you an answer. The answer would not be good enough. 

19:30 - Stacey (Host)
I went she gets it, she gets me. Do you believe in afterlife? Because we've had many people in here recently who literally and you can watch some of our episodes say that you will be with your loved ones again and it makes me feel, yeah, my husband really believes that. 

19:45 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
You know, it's funny. I've gone to several mediums because I'm, you know, aloof and trying to, like, you know, to give answers and stuff, but the one medium, just really it was like that he was right there and talking to to me through her and who, man, like she knew every intricate. She knew that. So Nicholas had a girl, that they were together for eight years and, uh, you know, they exchanged their wedding vows the night before. 

20:19 - Stacey (Host)
Oh no. 

20:19 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
He passed away and he had a wedding band on his finger and I never knew. Because she said to me he's telling me that there was a marriage, but it was non-traditional. Does that make any sense? I'm like, oh my goodness, yes. And I didn't say a word about this and she said, oh she's, he's showing me the ring and he's showing me the inscription that our love will last forever. 

20:40
I never knew until that moment about that inscription in that ring and I confirmed it after, of course, with, you know, with Jordan, with this girl, and so we moved and we had a nice family, a young couple with three little boys actually two boys and one little boy on the way, which was my neck move into the house and she kept hearing these noises and she got scared and so they put cameras up and the night of our gala, unbeknownst to us, the alarm. 

21:11
She got an alarm that somebody was in the family room and the cameras went on and it captured and you know I'll show it to you. But she sent, sent it to my neighbor and said you have to get this to Cheryl, because I knew it was Nick. I wasn't afraid in any way, shape or form, and I know that he will always protect us in this home. And when I got it and I saw it, there was not a doubt in my mind that it was him of him we started the headstrong foundation with a 67 purchase of shoelaces to shut nick up, he would not stop relentless. 

21:51
There we go again. That word relentless. He's like mom, I want to get these lime green shoelaces. I think it would be a great. You know, we could sell them and and people were going to be talking about them like what's with the lime green laces and blah, blah, blah. I'm like all right, right, all right, all right. 

22:05 - Stacey (Host)
He's a brilliant marketer too, and so yeah so we got the laces. 

22:08 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
And then the first team that banged on our door was Drexel. They were playing University of Virginia and Virginia was the national title, you know. They held the title, and the team walked on the field with the lime green laces. Oh God, it was on television, espn, and everybody's like what's with these lime green laces? And so then they were like oh my God, it's for Nicola Lurie and the Headstrong Foundation, and blah, blah, blah, boom. It just ignited from there. I followed my gut, I followed my heart and I found my way. 

22:47 - Mark (Host)
Sure did you're helping others find their way. Yeah, it's the best good stuff. Quite the woman, quite the family. I appreciate it. 

22:58 - Stacey (Host)
I'm proud of my boys and hugs to your kids, and we still go through it. 

23:04 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
I don't want my kids to know. They know what it's like to lose a brother, but I never want them to know what it's like to be without a child, their child, um, but it's, it is what it is. I did everything I could to save his life and I couldn't. I think that was. One of the greatest lessons that I learned was that we don't control anything. And I thought I did. I thought I could fix it. I'm the mom I'm supposed to kiss it and put a bandaid on it and make it better and I couldn't fix it. 

23:37 - Mark (Host)
Tell everybody how they can reach the foundation. 

23:39 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Yeah, absolutely, please follow us on social media. 

23:44 - Mark (Host)
As I'm, she tears as I'm wiping my tears. 

23:47 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
It's really cool. 

23:48 - Stacey (Host)
Social media is powerful, you know and it really is so current on all the wonderful things that continue in Nick's name. So Headstrong on Instagram, yeah. Headstrong Foundation, yeah. 

24:00 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Headstrong FND is our LinkedIn. It's another wonderful opportunity, but visit our website. We'll be revealing a new website shortly. 

24:07 - Stacey (Host)
headstrongorg and um you know donate they can donate right in the website donate right through the website. 

24:13 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Yeah you, they can host an event. 

24:15 - Stacey (Host)
Volunteer there's an annual gala do you have? 

24:17 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
yeah, we have an event coming up on um september, the 18th. It's at the switch house. We're switching it up. Yeah, october 18th is the day. Thursday evening it's gonna be. It's we always people that have come to our gala. It's not a gala. 

24:33
We're changing it so that it's not so formal a little bit of networking and and just a, you know, a lot of fun. We're recognizing the hema team at Penn who's? It's our 15th year of doing this event. The goal would be to underwrite the house so that our guests continue to stay free, um of charge and uh, but it's really just a wonderful evening of celebration, remembrance, um, you know, inspiring stories of of survivorship and um, really, education about the Headstrong Foundation. So silent auction, live auction and wonderful food. It's V by Chess Cafe Group. Is who? 

25:12 - Mark (Host)
does it so the food's amazing. 

25:14 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
This is their brand new venue, and so we're changing it up a little bit so it's not so formal. People can come right from work instead of having to, you know, foo-foo. Yeah, while people can come right from work instead of having to, you know, foo-foo, yeah, and so we wanted to make a little bit of a little change, because it's the 15th year. We don't, you know, we don't want something to get stale, but we've got some things up our sleeve that we really don't like to. You know, we like to surprise people. 

25:38 - Stacey (Host)
A little mystery, because people leave and it's like whoa. 

25:46 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
And yeah, because, Nick, people leave and it's like whoa and yeah, because nick was whoa and we want people to, you know, take a little piece of nick with them, because we, if that, happens, we just improved our world. Yeah, you know so and you're doing it. 

25:53 - Mark (Host)
Wow, I'm gonna try and go that'd be so fun. 

25:55 - Stacey (Host)
Yeah, yeah, thank you so much. 

25:57 - Cheryl Colleluori (Guest)
Yeah, oh, thank you great to meet you I gotta give you a hug. 

26:00 - Stacey (Host)
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