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EP: 166 When Monsters Hide in Plain Sight: A Mother's Desperate Battle to Protect Her Children
Dori Carmen shares her deeply personal journey from meeting her children's father as a teenager to discovering years later that he had been sexually abusing their children. Her harrowing story exposes the devastating impact of manipulation, domestic abuse, and a flawed justice system.
• Meeting her children's father at 15, discovering his true age and immigration status after becoming pregnant
• Struggling through years of emotional abuse, substance issues, and a toxic relationship while trying to create stability
• Temporarily placing children with their father during a crisis following her mother's death
• The devastating moment her daughter revealed sexual abuse that had been occurring since she was 7
• Her son subsequently disclosing similar abuse experiences
• Reporting to authorities and navigating an investigation that ultimately led to charges
• Ex-husband fleeing after making bail, leaving the family without justice or closure
• Using social media and her voice to warn others and advocate for abuse victims
• Finding strength through therapy and helping her children heal from trauma
If you or someone you know is experiencing abuse, please reach out to the National Sexual Assault Hotline at 1-800-656-HOPE (4673) or visit RAINN.org for resources and support.
You are listening to the Double A Club and this is your host, NY Boom, and my co-host, Big Daz. We'll be talking about trending topics and healthcare and basically, just as a disclaimer, just to let the listeners know that this is just basically on our opinions and speculations and I hope you guys enjoy the show. Let's start off and kick off with our first topic Hello, hello, hello. This is the Double A Club and this is NYC Boom bringing you another episode, and I have an incredible woman who has a phenomenal story that she needs to share with everybody. Please introduce yourself.
Speaker 2:Hi, my name is Dori Carmen.
Speaker 1:Hello Dori, Carmen and Dori's Carmen.
Speaker 2:Dori Carmen.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:And you're from Puerto Rico, right.
Speaker 2:I'm from Chicago. I grew up in Humboldt Park area, okay but you're Puerto Rican descent yes yes, okay, great, great.
Speaker 1:So so let's start off. I want you to start from the beginning with your story.
Speaker 2:Tell us how it all started well, I met a young man through a you know house partying, and you know I saw him at the party. He saw me. We hit it off on my space, being that we, we were young, you know it was, you know a platonic, I would say kind of encounter, like como un amor platonico, you know we would call each other, we would message each other and it got to a point where, you know, we would meet up. Um, you know I had a strict mom. My mom was didn't play that, you know, lo, nene, you stay away from. Um, she was very adamant about you know, boys and getting pregnant.
Speaker 2:Um, teen pregnancy did encounter in our, in our family, so she didn't want that to happen again. So I met this guy, you know we were, we were talking for a while and eventually, you know I started lying to my mom about, you know, meeting up with him. That I see I can may buy. You call a Hamida he, you know it got to a point where we were secretly dating. Um, you know he told me that he was 18 and I was 15 at the time. I was, uh, I was going from, uh, freshman year to sophomore year and, um, I ended up getting pregnant. My mom found out. She was very upset, you know, when she found out that he was 18. It was a big deal. No quería mandar um a la cance. You know, she, she didn't, she wasn't very happy with it. Um, you know, I try to express to my mom, like you know, I don't want the abortion route and as well I didn't want him to go to jail.
Speaker 2:you know, Can you hear me?
Speaker 1:Yeah, keep going.
Speaker 2:You can hear me.
Speaker 1:Yes, keep going Okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't want the abortion route and. I told my mom. You know, like I don't, I don't want to do the abortion and it's not fair for the baby and I don't want to send him to jail. You know, like there's other ways to it.
Speaker 2:When I found out that I was pregnant, I went to him with the ultrasound. I told him hey, look, you know you're the only person that I've been with. You know I'm pregnant and we have to figure this out because my mom's ready to take you to jail, you know? Um, long story short, you know I I end up going to his parents. I told them like, hey, you know I'm 15. I'm young, I need your son to be in this with me. He agreed, he agreed to be there for my baby. We ended up moving in together. When we moved in together, he was like normal, like he was kind of happy. You know, it wasn't a situation where you know we're like, okay, let's have a baby. So it was kind of like, you know, in both ways it was like, okay, well, we have to make this work because it's you know, there's a baby on the way. So I ended up moving in with him and his family was just they made my life hell.
Speaker 2:So his family, they're honduran yeah so his family made it difficult, you know, and me being puerto rican, they didn't like that. When I talked to his family, you know, he told me that he was 18. Um, I end up getting, uh, more information. He he said that when we met, when we met, he said that he was Puerto Rican and that he was 18, and end up being that he wasn't 18 and he wasn't Puerto Rican. Um, he ended up being Honduran, he wasn't 18. His cousin actually told me that he was 20 and I kept fishing like no, you need to tell me the truth. You know, some are telling me that he was 20, some were telling me that he was 24. So, at this, me that he was 24.
Speaker 2:So, at this point, I'm freaking out like I'm pregnant by somebody that I don't know. Um ends up being that he's honduran, he's 21, turning 22. Um, it ended up being that he had a letter of deportation that I didn't even know about. Wow. So at this point, I'm 15, scared, don't know this man, apparently. And now I got to worry about what the fuck is my daughter going to do in Honduras if he were to get deported. And I'm thinking about this all when I'm 15. Scared as fuck this all when I'm 15, scared as when this happened. Um, you know, I talked to my family and I'm like I don't want to. You know, I don't want to get rid of this baby. It's not the baby's fault, it was my fault. You know I should have listened and I shouldn't have, you know, went behind my, my mom's back and did the stuff that I did. You know these are my consequences.
Speaker 2:I made my bed and I should lie in it, um, within three months of the baby being born yeah the family was just very hostile, saying que you know Puerto R women, they pin their babies on everybody and they were just treating me like trash, treating me like garbage.
Speaker 1:So they didn't have a reason for it.
Speaker 2:As the months went by, you know he didn't have a steady job. He wasn't really. You know he wasn't making any money and my family was like, okay, well, let me give him an opportunity. They were working in downtown chicago. And they're like, okay, well, let's get him in a, in a good paying job, so that way he can provide for his you know, his baby.
Speaker 2:Um, I end up having him work at my sister's job and that's when everything started to change. You know, he was getting drunk, you know, just lying, cheating, and I end up breaking up with him. Um being the time that I broke up with him, I moved with my mom, um, but I was still in chula with him, I was still in love with him. You know he's now, he's the father of my child. You know I want to make this work, so I would still look like we would still look for each other, um. With that being said, you know that's when I end up getting pregnant with my second son. So we're like back and forth together, not together, you know, but for the sake of the babies, you know like we wanted to try to make it work.
Speaker 2:I end up finding out that I'm pregnant with my second child, which is a boy. You know my first was a girl and then my second child was a, which is a boy. You know my first was a girl and then my second one was a boy. And you know, the moment that I told him that I'm pregnant, he's laughing at me. He's like, I know, and I'm like, what do you mean? You know he's like, yeah, I purposely got you pregnant. I'm like, well, that's not, that's not something to be. You know, like it's not funny. He wasn't being funny, whatever. So now I'm stuck with two babies. You know it's kind of rocky. I'm trying to make it work. I was 17 when I got pregnant with my son, so I was in senior, senior year, when I was Too baby already.
Speaker 1:And you haven't graduated yet Two babies already, and you haven't graduated high school. So yeah, okay.
Speaker 2:So I was, you know, with the second one, and I was battling school. My mom was like, no, you're not the way you die. You know this is your second one, to not bring this to the la primera. And I'm like, but I love this man, you know, like, I love him with all my heart and you know, like, he said he wanted to be with me and I'm over here trusting him, like, okay, well, I had the first one, I had the second one. Now it's like it's now or never. You know, like he, like he, has to assume his responsibilities. Okay, well, you know, I purposely got you in pregnant. Okay, well, you purposely got me pregnant. Now you have to, now you have to make it work, not forcing it, but it was like, it was like an infatuation. He didn't want to be with me, but he didn't want me to be with anyone. This letter of deportation, like you know, I, I'm, I'm on my second trial and we can't keep doing this.
Speaker 2:You know like you need to fix something, because I have no parts in Honduras, I don't have no family over there and I'm not gonna travel over there if they were to deport you. I'm pregnant with my baby. I was probably six months with my boy and I end up getting married with him. Mind you, I went behind my parents back. I went behind my family's back. The only people that were at my marriage in City Hall were his family. Get passed out when everybody found out. Oh, they were so freaking mad. They were so mad. I mean, not even Katie habla. I bet they were so freaking mad. They were so mad. I mean nadie me quería hablar.
Speaker 1:I bet.
Speaker 2:They were so disappointed at that point because they're like Chacho, no te quería ayudar con la primera, bajis y te embarazas con el segundo. You know, like something has to give, or at least keep the family in loop. So because I got married with him and it was more like sole purpose of fixing his letter of deportation, get by some. Here we get married, he gets a cut that I've been done from. We could hear he ends up getting his daca because he was here from uh, since he was eight years old. So he fled from honduras because there were there were literally there. Um so they up, they uprooted from honduras and they came over here. Um so from then they had found him in mccallan, texas, so that's where he got the deportation from um so they end up giving him the, daca they end up giving him a working permit um a social.
Speaker 2:So from there I I'm like okay, well, I'm going to help you, so that way you can help us in a family sense.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:The cheating, the lying, you know. It got to a point where he was working two jobs, couldn't make ends meet. I find out that he has a cocaine addiction. Rant comes no hay dinero. Things are missing. I have to move back into my mom's house. I'm ping ponging.
Speaker 2:You know like the two babies trying to figure out life. I end up graduating from high school um at my mom's house. So I was like ping-ponging, you know I, I didn't know what to do with my life, you know I, I just. But I was still in love with him, or the illusion of what a family could feel. Once I graduated high school, you know, I wanted my kids to feel what it feels like to have two parents in the household. Even though the the cheating, even though the drug addiction, I still wanted my kids to have their father and their mother together and teach them like, no matter what, mommy and poppy fought together to make it happen for you guys to make a family um.
Speaker 2:Again the cheating, again the drugs, again, pero el one a gaba. But I knew it because, you know, growing up and in an environment where there was drugs all the time, I already know los o. You know como se comportaba siempre se estaba jodiendo con la nariz. You know I would always see the signs. But in my mind I'm like, no, if he says no, it's no. Okay, I won't keep fighting it, you know, for the sake of the kids.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Once I had enough. I seen you know his laptop and his phone. You know him messaging. He was cheating on me with co-workers. He end up, you know, like admitting to it that he was cheating and I'm like, no, I'm, I'm like done, like you know tanta mierda que tú me has hecho pasar por tantos años. And I just I can't do it. So I moved back for my mom Y estaba buscando un apartamento. Cuando estaba buscando un apartamento, I ended up finding one and I moved out. You know, I was like I'm done, you can co-parent with me. You know, to see home. When I said to see home, I'm going to still be their mom, you know, go just co-parent. When I left his house, I didn't know that I was pregnant. Oh, for the third time three for the third time.
Speaker 2:Three, oh, for the third time. And when I went to go tell him, um, the reason why I found out that I was pregnant the third time was because I was in a car accident, you know, and in the hospital they're like, oh, you have whiplash and congratulations, you're pregnant. I'm devastated because I'm trying to get away from this man. You know, like, like all the lying, cheating hurt. I'm like, you know, something has to give. So I ended up finding out that I'm pregnant with my third child, que pasa. I go to him and I'm like, hey, you know, you've literally been the only man that I've been with. You know, like, I'm pregnant again. He's like, oh, that's not my child, that's not my son. Figure out who's, you know baby is that? And I'm like I just literally left your house. We were living together. Like, what do you mean? Find the other, you know, father of the child. I, I leave that house, you know. I tell him I'm pregnant. He didn't want nothing to do with it. That's where everything started. So he has the pattern of when I'm pregnant, she don't want to be with me, he don't want to deal with the pregnancy, he don't want to. You know, go to the appointments, nada de. So he just don't want any parts.
Speaker 2:Now, when I had my son, when I finally had him and he seen that he looked exactly like him, he's like okay, I want to be back with you. I want to, you know, make things work. So it was a pattern of que cuando ya tenia a little baby, when I had the babies, he wanted to be with me. But when I was pregnant, you know, I was fucking with other girls and having fun, going clubbing, buying girls, drinks. So when I had my son, he's like no, come on, let's make this work.
Speaker 2:He's like I'm so sorry it didn't work out like that family telling me all all the stuff that he was doing. You know I'm I'm doing his laundry. I find a cocaine in a bag. That was my confirmation. You know he used to always deny it and I'm like, hmm, like some something told me and and there was a hint, you know, but that was just a confirmation of he has a problem. He has a real big problem. You know his family's on my back because we moved in with his family, peleando, peleando. You know the cheating him, him lying to me, llegaba borracho, and you know it got to a point where I'm like I can't do this no more. It was times where you know we would get into a fistfight. You know le pegaba a mi hijo, or you know like it was more of the.
Speaker 1:So he would hit you like a common hombre.
Speaker 2:You know, I see a no no conmigo. Si tu quieres darle a alguien, pégame a mi.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you volunteer.
Speaker 2:And we used to fist fight. We used to fist fight and you know, con el chiquito it got to a point where I'm like this is a pattern. And I got to the point where yo me quería matar, yo no quería vivir Y no era por mis hijos, era por el tratamiento like man. I love this man and he's hurting me. I gave you life, I gave you three lives, and you treated me like garbage, peleando con la familia, peleando con él. So I'm like, okay, well, the last one. You know he tried to hit my son like a man. So I hit his ass back. I'm like, no, you're not going to hit my son like that. ¿qué pasó? He body slammed me on top of my baby El chiquito. He body slammed me on top of my baby El Chiquito. He body slammed me on top of him. I had enough. I had enough. I grabbed my stuff. I had already bags packed in my trunk. I grabbed my kids. My kids didn't even have shoes that day. I packed up their stuff and I'm like, no, ya, basta. You know he could.
Speaker 2:He was amazing father. He never gave me an ache of, you know, being a terrible father. He was. He was a loving father. Pero cuando se le, when he was on drugs, and he would deny it. When he was on drugs he was more of the aggressive Era, bien agresivo. He was more of the aggressive era, bien agresivo. He never gave me that inch of like that. He was a bad father. He just had problems, just like and you know, like, any other parent I found out about. You know, like he was trying to hit my son and he body slammed me and I grabbed my stuff, I went to the police station, made a police report, um, and I told him I didn't want to be with him. But I told him why I didn't want to be with him. It was, it was messing up with my mental all these years. Like I felt, like you know, I I gave up my life, my hopes, my dreams to make a family and he was just playing in my face the whole time. So when that happened, I went to you know, I told him I wanted a divorce, I didn't want to be with him anymore. And when that happened, you know, he was just like he just didn't care. He, he was just like he just didn't care. He partied more, drinking more, you know. But I didn't take that into consideration of it was because of the kids, it was because of me and him.
Speaker 2:When I decided that I wanted to get the divorce, I told my mom I, I'm like Mira, mommy, like you're looking for a place to move into, I'm looking for a place to move into. I need out for the sake of the kids so I can be okay. You know, like I, how can I be okay and, you know, be there for my kids if I'm not okay? So I end up moving out. And I told my mom, like mom, like mommy, I need, I, I need to get this divorce. Why don't we move in together so that way, you know, I can get that type of closure where I can pay for this divorce, get away from him and still be able to make it as a single mom. You know, I didn't have a lot of means. I was working at the time fiddle. It was gonna be hard, you know, because I he had his family helping support my kids and now I wasn't gonna have that anymore. So, okay, um, we move into an apartment and within two weeks she dies. Who, my mom?
Speaker 2:I'm sorry so when my mom uh, she passes away, she passes away in my apartment and I end up finding her. My kids are in the other room and they don't know that their grandma had passed away. And i'm'm calling him, like, hey, my mom is dead in the other room. Can you help me pick them up? Help me do something. The whole time he's like, oh, that's none of my problem. I'm like, look, help me. My kids can't see this. My mom ended up passing away in my daughter's arms and she didn't know about it. And I'm just screaming on the phone like, come, get them. You know like, you're their father, regardless if we're together or not, like we got a co-parent.
Speaker 2:It was a big fight and I'm like I already know how this is gonna turn out. He's just mad because I don't want to be with him. He's gonna make my life hell. Come the funeral fighting with me. I'm like, look, I'm not in a mental space for you to be fighting with me. You know like, just help me with the babies until I get my mental right. Come the funeral, igual igual, fighting with me. His mom is there. Mind you, I don't have a good relationship with his mom. I literally had to fight her because you know she was overstepping her, her boundaries when it came to how I was parenting. She would say you like that she wished that I was dead so that way she can have my kids. That was the type of relationship that I had to do with his side of the family.
Speaker 1:They don't sound like good people. They don't sound like good people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, yeah, I know, I know I'll keep going, keep going, keep going. So when that happened about, you know, like, when I was telling him about, you know, my mom and he was at the funeral, and you know, when it came to him helping me with the kids, I was not in the right state of mind. You know how do you cope with. You're going through a divorce, you found your mom dead, your kids are literally experiencing grief and you don't know how to, like, I couldn't function. I couldn't function as a, as a mom, as a daughter, as as a person. I just couldn't function. You know, like, and I'm telling him, como madre, I'm like, I can't be there for my kids if I can't be there for myself.
Speaker 2:I lost the only person that every time shit hit the fan, I would run to her. Whenever, I would get in a fistfight with him. Whenever, you know, my kids were hungry and he didn't have the money to feed them. I didn't have the money to feed them. I would always run to her. So that safe place, that safe haven. I didn't have the money to feed them. I would always run to her. So that safe place, that safe haven. I didn't have her anymore. And that was the most devastating thing, because I'm like, I'm trying to, I'm trying to face the biggest battle in my life, and that's him. Put my, my love, my, my, my dreams of having a family on hold and try to get away from this guy, because all I know is that's. That's how we got to that point. It got to a point where I just couldn't, and then to know that I don't have that person that would always pick me up when I fell on my face that sucks. That it was devastating. I told him I was like look, you know, I lost my mom. I'm not in a mental space. Can you keep them for a couple weeks while I do therapy? Or, you know, like, try to get myself together. Lost my job. I couldn't function. I lost my job. I was just not in a good space. I had bills piling up, rent was due. I was on the verge of being homeless.
Speaker 2:With that being said, ellos tienen su padre, ellos tienen su padre. Me and him might have not had a good relationship, or we would have ended up in bad terms, but he was still their father. You know, he would claim that he was father of the year. Father of the year, mi nene, nene, me, nene, me, nene. Okay, well, this is your time to step up. You know, like I can't do it right now and you as a father, if I can't do it then you're gonna have to do it.
Speaker 2:So, at the time, he was living with his parents, so his parents had their um, my kids had their own room at their parents house, you know, at his parents house. Well, their grandparents and I'm like what you know, let me sit down and talk to the grandparents and let's get to, you know, a common ground where you know we can all co-parent and make sure that what's beneficial to the kids. What do I? I sat down the the grandparents and I talked to them and I told them hey, you know, I'm going through a situation where I'm home, I'm basically going to be homeless and you know, my kids have a stable place here with the kids.
Speaker 2:Until I get on my feet, you know it's going to take a couple weeks or, you know, at least a month or two, you know, to get back on my feet. I need this help. Like you guys were saying that you guys want to be involved and you know, to let you guys be with the kids. Okay, well, this is a time that I need, you know, what's best for my kids and right now, mentally, I wasn't okay. I don't have anything stable at the moment and as a mom, you want, you know, to have your kid, your kids, be stable and have a perfect environment for them so they can thrive, you know when they're growing up. So I thought that that was going to be the best plan for them, being that the grandparents have their own house.
Speaker 1:The grandparents.
Speaker 2:Nobody can uproot them unless they don't do what they have to do. Yeah, I understand, but I thought, okay, well, they have their own house, my have their own room. Let them stay there until I get on my feet, get bus. Um, I had an agreement with him where, um, I found a job. I had an agreement with him and I was telling him, like, on the weekends, when I'm off, like you know, I'll go visit them.
Speaker 2:Um, I didn't want to deal with that family, no more. So it was more of the I was going to see them on the weekend until I got my stuff together, um, but it became where he would ask me for sex in order for me to see them. And I was just hurting myself, you know, like, I know that I didn't want to deal with him. I know that I didn't want to, you know, have to deal with that anymore, but at the same time, it was like I had to do what I had to do so I can be able to see my kids. He wouldn't let me see them. It was, uh, que tus hijos no te quieren ver, um, tú no haces nada por tus hijos. So that mother guilt. You know, like I was just doing what I had to do in order for me to see them. And he was holding my kids you know, my kids over my head and I'm'm like but I just want to see my babies. You know, like, no matter what, I'm still their mom and I'm still not gonna give up on them. We're fighting. We're fighting. Um, it got to a point where he was threatening to take my kids away.
Speaker 2:Um, I end up dating somebody and when I was dating that person, uh, he was kind of jealous, he was kind of mad, and I'm like you know, you had your family and you didn't want that family. Um, you know, like it got to a point where he was forcing me to have sex and because I didn't want to do that anymore, I ended up finding a guy that I was dating and it probably, if he knew that I was saying that guy, he wouldn't ask me anymore. You know, it got to a point where I paid for the divorce. He's like if you want a divorce, you pay for it. And I'm like, I'm like, okay, fine, I'll pay for it. And I did. I paid for it, but it still didn't stop him.
Speaker 2:Um, it was. It got to the point where I had to be honest with the guy that I was dating and I'm like, look, he's making me do things that I don't want to do and I'm complying because, as a mother, I'm going to do what I have to do in order for me to see my kids. That turned into a domestic. I ended up getting away from the dude. I pressed charges and everything and got away from that.
Speaker 1:He's over here laughing in my face like, oh, this is what you get this is the new boyfriend yeah, that was my new boyfriend at the time he beat you up yeah, he beat me up to the point where because my face was unrecognizable because of this, because of when he found out that I was sleeping still with my with my ex-husband damn
Speaker 2:just to be able to see my kids. Yeah, I got away from that and he was still like holding it over my head because I didn't want to sleep with him. So I'm getting my ass beat. I lost my mom. He's holding the kids over my head and forcing me to do shit that I didn't want to do. I end up trying to committing suicide because I try to commit suicide. He went to the court and he got temporary custody of my kids roll back for a second roll back now.
Speaker 1:When you attempted suicide. When you attempted suicide, how did you do it? What?
Speaker 2:I grabbed the knife and I try to cut my veins into different parts of my arm.
Speaker 1:You really went through it.
Speaker 2:I had blood out for a whole day Like I was hallucinating. I wasn't in my right mind. You know I'm bleeding out. All I remember is texting him telling him to tell my babies that I love them, and nobody understood why. I said that he texted my sister and my sister knew where I was at and she called the police. She called the ambulance. She called everybody came knocking in my door.
Speaker 2:I ended up going to the hospital and my family's, like you know they, found out why I tried to kill myself. You know, because he was forcing me to have sex with him just to see my kids. He wasn't allowing me to see my kids, it was just really abusive. And he's's like no, she's lying, she's lying. And they're asking him like do you not care? You know, like do you not care about? She just tried to kill herself because you're making her do shit. So at that point he acted like he was caring, you know, about the situation. And he's like I'll tell her to stop, I won't do that, no more. And with that being said, he went to the court and used that I committed to, like tried to commit suicide, that I wasn't in my right state of mind and that I abandoned my kids, so they granted him temporary custody, but, being that I didn't tell him where I was living, I was never served.
Speaker 2:Um, fast forwarding to. I got out of the hospital, I got, got straight to work. You know I I went to work, found a job, went to work, try to get my together, um, my living situation together. I wasn't living with the guy that was beating me up anymore, um, but I was still trying to see my kids. Yeah, he wasn't letting me see my kids.
Speaker 2:Um, it ended up being, like probably a couple months after that he started calling me like DCFS is getting involved because the kids are acting up in school. And I'm like trying to figure out, like, what's going on. Like, why is DCFS trying to get involved? My son was hitting the teachers. He was making them bleed. My daughter was always saying that she didn't want to go to school. So at this point they're calling him and he's not answering, or they'll tell him to come pick up the kids and he wouldn't pick them up. So they're calling me like, hey, I don't know what's going on between both of you guys. You guys need to like get involved. You need to get involved. Dcfs was contacted and he's like hey, I don't know what's going on with these kids. These kids are acting up. Dcfs is getting involved. I think it's time for you to take them. I'm thinking like OK, like okay, well, probably they're acting up because they want to be with their mom. You know, that's a big transition from not being with their mom and having their father and their whole, his side of the family, telling them mommy, not they kidding mommy, you know. So that was a big transition from seeing me every day to not seeing me at all.
Speaker 2:Dcfs got involved. He ended up giving me the kids. I'm like, okay, well, you know, shit's getting weird. So I tried to transfer them out of school. I tried to transfer them out of school. They're like, no, you can't transfer them out of school. They're like, no, you can't transfer them out of school. I'm like what do you mean? They're like, well, you don't have any rights to them. And I'm like what do you mean? Yeah, there's a. You lost custody of them and you don't have any rights to them. You can't transfer them out. You have to ask their father for permission. And I'm like, well, I didn't get served, I didn't know anything. She ends up going to the school and telling them, yeah, they're gonna transfer, you know they're gonna go stay with their mom now and, um, mind you, I still didn't know about this, uh, the temporary custody. I was never served, um being that because I didn't give him my address and he was mad that I didn't want to give him my address because he was toxic. Um, because I didn't have those rights. I went to the library. I typed up on a paper, you know, stating that he needs to give me back my, the medical rights, the school rights, um, any type of rights that I need to make an executive decision for my children when it's needed, decision for my children when it's needed. For him to oblige, you know, like to give me the okay. I went to the library, typed up that paper and we were gonna get it in order eyes where he would have to sign and I would have to sign it, and that would give me, um, at least a leeway for me to have some type of rights back without him fighting like saying that I don't have any rights. It's on paper.
Speaker 2:That day I typed that paper down, I called him. I was like, hey, you know, I got to get these kids into school ASAP. You know, they're missing out on learning. They're missing, missing out on school. We need to get the ball rolling, um, I showed him the paper to sign. We're at the currency exchange at that point and he doesn't know anything of what I typed out. I'm like I'm reading it to him, you know, making sure that he understands what I I typed. Come on, no pendejo, no sabía na. He just signed the paper. I'm like okay, it goes in my favor. You know, now it's time to shine.
Speaker 2:After everything that he made me go through not being able to see my kids, making me do things that I didn't want to do, making sure that the kids knew that yo los abandoné, que yo no los quería this is my time to shine now. I got my kids and now, now I'm gonna put up a fight. You know, I had to play my cards right, get pasta. When I went to um to transfer them in, I had that paper it was. It was a green light. Now we had an agreement of he would see them on the weekends and I would keep them during the weekdays.
Speaker 2:Now it comes the weekend, me, huh, she's. No, I don't want to go, mom, I don't want to go, tears in her eyes and I will tell him, like, hey, you know, do we have a? A? No, kidding latukasa. And he like, what a? I know, say Manda, a I know some on that she don't have. She can't tell anybody what to do if she, she has to come to my house, and I'm like, well, she kind of has a you know an option with me. She has an option if she doesn't want to go. I'm not going to force her, but remember, I had those rights and, mind you, I had that paper, the notarized paper.
Speaker 2:But you know, in the, in the police eyes, he has this paper with the judge, you know the stamp of the judge, like they're going to listen to him. What happened? Every time he would want to pick up the kids and the kids didn't want to go, he would send a sheriff to my house. I'm like, well, mommy, papi, I'm sorry, guys, you know, but I can't really do anything. You know he's, he's playing the police cars, you know, always bringing sheriffs to my house. And I, there's no way that I can fight your dad. There's no way, you know, I he says that he wants you guys to go Spend time with him. Then by all means, like, um, I can't fight him on that.
Speaker 2:Um, my daughter was really like she started changing. Um, she wanted to dress up like loose shirt, loose pants. You know everybody was giving her shit about. Okay, yes, I, I get it out on a muddy matcha. You know, like, dress up like a tomboy, like a stud, and I'm like, well, if she's trying to learn who she is, they halla, leave her alone, let her be. You know she's trying to learn who she is and try to express yourself. So in my Instinct it was KF. I'll come yendo like a normal teenager.
Speaker 2:She's a preteen going to her face, like you know, she's kind of acting distant. So in her mind, everything that her dad was telling her and her grandma was telling her, she was believing that I abandoned them, that I didn't love them. So she pushed me away and it took me like a long time for me to gain that trust back with her. Pero que ya no quería con su padre, que ya no quería. Um. So it's lani, zaya and titi those are their names. Lani no quería ir, zaya no quería. Pero titi, si el chiquito quería ir zaya no quería. Pero titi, si el chiquito and I'm like, well, don't kidding, he's like no mandalo los tres que yo no se mandan, que yo no se mandan um. And they got to a point where, okay, they were going on the weekends, you know they were going to their dad's house, but in reality they were going to their grandparents house, that's where he lived. Um, eventually they started, you know, going on the weekends and it got to a point where my daughter was learning how to be on tiktok and you know it was kind of a parenting where she was trying to be kind of provocative and I didn't know the reason why. But I'll be like Lonnie, you know how many pedophiles are on TikTok or you know, like on the internet in in general. Yeah, I'm like you need to watch what you post, what kind of dances you do, the ass shaking can you can do that. You know, I'm giving her these, these guidelines on what I expect from her as my child, you know, because I have rules, um. So she posted a video and he's like, oh okay, I get it.
Speaker 2:I thought, come on a puta. He's like she wants to act like a prostitute online. So he's like very adamant about her, you know posting on tick-tock. So I'm like, okay, well, as parents, we're gonna talk to each other and I'm like better to know live, I vas a llamar una puta a mi hija. That was like a kind of like a red flag. Mind you, when he was with them, ellos me salian con piojo. When I would see them on the weekend, I'm constantly cleaning out their piojos out of their head. No tenian ropa, no tenian zapato, you know. So that time that I would take out on the weekends to be with them, it was to clean their hair out, make sure that they had no clothes, make sure that they had no shoes. But when I got them fully, también me salían con puto piojo. And I'm like, well, where's the, where's the root cause of the piojo? Um, he didn't know.
Speaker 2:With the whole tiktok we were talking about, you know, like certain things that she was posting, she had an issue with that when it came to it was a lot of things that were going on back to back with the whole clothing. So now she's getting boy crazy. When she got boy crazy, look, mommy, like there's certain things that you can do and can't do. You know, take me for an example. You know like I was lying to my mom and that lie turned into me being a teen mom and you know I don't want you to go through that. It was really hard. I make it look easy, but it's really hard.
Speaker 2:So there's this little boy that was like taking an interest in her. So there's this little boy that was like taking an interest in her and she was like, oh, I like him but I can't be with him. You know, like it can't happen. So he had a tablet that was connected to her phone, so he was looking at the messages that they were sending each other, because the tablet was was at his house and the phone was at my house. So he's like calling me, like answer the phone, beat her ass, beat her ass.
Speaker 2:And I'm like I'm not gonna beat her ass, I'm gonna talk to my child, because that's what you do. You talk with your words, you don't talk with your hands. You know, like why would I beat her ass over a little boy? Ella inocente, ella no sabe nada um about boys. You know, like she's just learning what, what it is to have a crush on a boy, and like a boy that beat her ass, beat her ass, like he's literally like trying to instruct me on to beat her ass. And I'm like, no, that I'm not gonna do that. And I'm telling my daughter like you see, lonnie, like there's certain conversations that I'm having with you and you keep, you know, talking to these boys and look at your dad's on the phone telling me to whoop your ass. And I don't want to whoop your ass. I'm trying to have a conversation with you about these boys.
Speaker 2:She starts sobbing and I'm like what's going on? Why are you crying? And I'm like what's going on? Why are you crying? I didn't even hit you. I'm trying to talk to you. She's like no, and there's people around or you know, I can't talk out or look at anything inappropriate. If you want to take me to the bathroom, or you want to pull me to the side, or you want to take me anywhere, by all means feel free to tell me. Hey, mom, that's our code word.
Speaker 2:Let's go to the bathroom gotcha so once she tells me that let's go to the bathroom, my heart drops. Hang up the phone with him. I didn't give a what he was saying about you know, he was just. He was acting weird and I'm like better, you know, cosa de nene. You know, puppy love, whatever the fuck. It is Like eso, cosa de nene. It had nothing to do with why I would beat my child. She's like we go to the bathroom and she's like mom, remember all those times that you told me that if something or somebody did something very inappropriate, to take you to the bathroom. And I'm like, yeah, I remember. Um, you know like I always tell you guys, if something happens, you need to let me know and not be scared. She said, well, my dad has been doing inappropriate things to me. Fuck, my heart broke and I was like no, wait, here, I had my husband at the time and my sister in La Casa.
Speaker 2:She was going to a domestic.
Speaker 1:You're married now.
Speaker 2:I'm married again, yeah. I'm married again, you know, he was with me through the whole battle of trying to get them back.
Speaker 1:And this is not a domestic thing, like this wasn't a bad relation. No domestic violence, nothing. He ain't hit you. No, no, no, okay, good, no, he's. He's been supporting.
Speaker 2:Este es un corazón de oro.
Speaker 1:So keep on.
Speaker 2:He, when he met me my husband, right now my current husband he met me when I was getting beat up by the dude. So when I was getting beat up by the dude, he helped me pack up my car and get away from the dude. He said, no, you, you deserve better and this is not a life that you need to live. And he helped me pack up my stuff. He didn't, he wasn't perverted, he wasn't looking for anything other than me getting out of that situation. Never thought of like, okay, we're going to date, we're not we're're, you know, messing around or anything like that. He was. He was just okay, we're gonna get you out of this situation and you need to focus on your kids. Um, fast forwarding. You know he was helping me get my kids financially. He was helping me get their beds to make sure that they had their school supplies, their shoes, a roof over the head, cuz you know I'm like fuck. Like you know, they had a house over there with their grandparents.
Speaker 1:I feel like the least that.
Speaker 2:I should do is make sure that they have their house. You know, when they come over here, mommy's gonna make sure that you guys got your own room, make sure that you guys got your own space. I owe that to you guys, you know. So you know I end up dating him for a while. My kids didn't meet him till like after a year. So you know it was. We did the proper steps in order for me to be secure that, okay, this is the man that I'm going to be with and I'm going to introduce my kids to. He helped me fight when I say he helped me fight, get my kids back and get my mental back to be able to be strong enough to help me fight my kids he made sure of every single thing was taken care of.
Speaker 2:So when that moment that she was in the bathroom and she told me mommy, poppy has been doing inappropriate stuff to me, I stopped her in her tracks. You I mean for you to be a mom and you hear poppy poppy's doing something to you I stopped. I told her to stop saying stop in her tracks. I want to go get my sister that was in the Sala and my husband that was in the Sala. You know, my sister has always been through everything with me. She's like cheeky, like wherever I go she goes. So I'm like Melina and I told you know, my husband's Mikey. I was like Melina and Mikey, can you please come with me to the bathroom? You will not believe I didn't even have words. I was like, can you just come to the bathroom? And they're like well, what's going on? And I'm like Jelani, go ahead and say what you got to say.
Speaker 2:She started saying how, when she was seven years old mind you, this is around the time that my mom had passed away and I I gave the kids to him que cuando she was seven years old, he started touching on her, que le tocaba los senos, que le tocaba el trasero, her private parts, que le estaba haciendo watch porno. That he would put the headphones on her so nobody else would hear when she was sleeping in her own room. He would pick her up and take her to his room. She was describing his penis. She was describing his penis. She was describing how to come. Look, um, in four, four different occasions he tried to penetrate her, but she was pushing him off. Um, it was a lot of details, to the point where I'm like there's no way a child is gonna make this shit up. There's no way a child is going to make this shit up. No, there's no way.
Speaker 1:There's no fucking way. No fucking way. That's disgusting.
Speaker 2:To the detail, to the tea? No, no way. One day she had came from her dad's house and, mind you, this is before I even had the papers For the rights, before I had the papers for the rights, before I got the papers for the rights for him to sign off the rights. And I'm freaking the fuck out. I'm like Lani, I burned myself with a flat iron. I'm like that's a bullshit ass lie. Don't fucking come to me and tell me that it's a flat iron burn. I'm like I've burned myself for years with a flat iron and not once has it looked like that.
Speaker 2:I call him. What's going on over there? Do you want me to call DCFS and the police? Like what's what the fuck is going on over there? Do you want me to call dcfs and the police? Like what's what the fuck is going on in that house? I don't know. I don't know. I'm like she came home with a hickey. Well, I don't know what's going on and I'm like but you, she just came from your house. I was trying to play my cards, right, and I couldn't sit there and go to the police and call DCFS because I didn't have enough evidence. It was my word against his.
Speaker 2:I'm going to look like the bad one, because he already coerced her to saying that it was a flat iron. So when she's opening up and telling me that he's doing all these things to her, I'm like fiddle. Was he drunk? Was he on drugs? Like he smelled like liquor. I'm like fiddle. You know I'm occasional drinker, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2:That wouldn't in my mind think like, okay, well, I'm gonna get drunk and I'm gonna touch on my child. There's no amount of liquor or no amount of drug or no amount of any type of thing that would possess me in my mind to think that, hey, I'm gonna come home and touch my child. Yeah, you're right. Um, she was saying that. You know, the next day he would say that he's sorry, that he was confusing her with the woman. But, mind you, every time that he would look at her, he would always tell me that I remind, that she reminds him of me. So, with that being said, he would always tell her the next day that he was sorry. That to please not tell anybody and he would always. So imagine a child that wants to be with her mother and is going through all this trauma can't tell her mother because she's scared to lose her mother.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:As soon as she told me that and I brought my husband and I brought my sister in the same room to listen to the he that she was saying, that he was making her do one, because I didn't want them to make it seem like I was the one that was forcing her to say that number two. I needed witnesses, yeah I had to play my cards right, yeah, you did go to the police station.
Speaker 2:I I made the report. So when I made the report, the next day I had to go to the school and I had to tell them hey, um, you see this man, don't let him come in, do not let him take my kids out of this, you know, out of class. Do not let him leave with my kids off school property, do not, do not make that mistake. Um, so I go to this. You know, when I go to the school, the counselor's like well, you have to, you know, make sure that you tell your your boys, um, give them a reason as to why they can't see their father. You just can't tell them, hey, you can't see your father, and not give them a reason. That's going to make them one act out in school and they're not in the loop. You have to make sure that you keep them in the loop. Solo siento yo to the boys. You know I have a stepdaughter. You know my husband has a daughter from a previous relationship and I'm helping him raise her too.
Speaker 2:So when I had to sit down and tell the boys, hey, you know, like you can't see your father, I had to legit give them a reason why. But I wasn't gonna go into full detail. So I sat the boys down, zaya and titi and my stepdaughter, because she had to know as well that it's not okay. If you don't like, it's not okay. You know, if you're being touched in an inappropriate way, you need to let somebody know, you need to speak up. So I sat down my boys and I told them like you know, you can't see your dad until further notice and, um, it has to do with something with Lonnie and it was very inappropriate. I didn't go into detail, I, that's all I just said everybody knew el chiquito.
Speaker 2:He raises his hand and he's like, um, mom. And I'm like, yeah, what's up? Usually know he's the type he's goofy, he doesn't, he's not serious when it comes to anything. So I'm like thinking to myself okay, titi's gonna make a joke right now, the wrong time ever. So he raises his hand and I'm like, titi, what's up? He's like, um, the Saturday that I was with my dad, and then starts going into detail again About what happened with his dad.
Speaker 1:He took advantage of it, his dad came into the house.
Speaker 2:I don't know From where, but he came inside the house, went inside the closet, grabbed some stuff from the closet, took a shower Downstairs, came back upstairs and DD was waiting for him in bed. You know he was waiting for his dad to come home so he can, like you know, be with his dad. When his dad, seen that he was on the bed, started his private parts, touched his butt and titi was pretending like he was asleep at the time, when he was waiting for his dad on the bed because he, his dad, had just got home. Yeah, he was pretending to go sleep. And then he realizes that his dad is doing this and he asks his dad why are you touching me in my private parts? He told me he doesn't remember what his dad said, but he knew that his dad was lying to him, mm-mm. So when he tells me that I go to the police, again, there was no way of me. One is telling me that he's touching on her and trying to you know, physically rape her. And then the other child is telling me the same thing and, mind you, my daughter was not in the same room. He doesn't know the details.
Speaker 2:Had to go to the police station make another um police report, they end up doing a investigation. They did a forensic and interview with them. So that means somebody that's certified to talk to children um, without asking them questions, is interrogating them in a room. So all of my three kids are going through this forensic interview. I'm getting interviewed, my sister's getting interviewed, my husband's being interviewed. You know I'm telling them all the information that I know that I can help possibly, like help me in the situation where we can locate him.
Speaker 2:You know there were witnesses because my younger son, when it happened to him, he told his older brother, which is zaya, and his cousins about what happened. So we had to locate the cousins. They pretend like they didn't know where you know, like that they didn't say it. Um, I gave them their address. They literally told the police that they don't, they don't know who that person is and it was them. They live in that same address that I gave.
Speaker 2:The police denied it completely, saying that they didn't live there. So it took for them to like a couple, like probably three weeks to do the investigation. When they were done with the investigation they had found evidence and probable cause to arrest him, but during that time they had told me not to contact him. Don't call him, don't text him and he's going on my phone like Mira coño, porque no? Porque you know you're not answering me. I'm trying to hear about the kids. He's going on my phone and I'm not answering him and in my mind I'm like he's going on my phone because he knows that he got caught. They already spoke up, they already said everything that happened. You know he was just blowing up my phone not to worry about the kids and and know what's going on with the kids.
Speaker 2:It was more to know if he got caught or to try to make you uh take him back so when he, when I had uh finished all that and I was talking to the detectives and stuff, they end up catching him by surprise. They end up picking him up at the house and and they set bail. They posted bail for him after I begged them when they were doing the interview outside. Look, he's the type that if he's in trouble he's gonna run from the trouble. You know, that's the type I gave. I was literally with this man for 12 years. I would know the ins and outs of how he reacts when trouble comes his way. I'm like if he pulls bail, he's gonna end up running to miami. They arrest him, they give him a bond I think it was a hundred thousand per case, so it's like 10%.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Family ends up bailing him out. So when his family bailed him out, um, he showed up to the first court date with the lawyer. Um being that, it was like like uh uh, winter break. So during winter break, I guess, the lawyer had um set out his vacation time so that the court date intervened with his vacation time. So he said that he wanted another court date and the being that the lawyer ends up passing away on vacation. What of a heart attack. What a fucking story. So when the lawyer ends up passing away, this is from a cost of law which is right by maywood um courthouse. This is like a law firm that's been there for years so it was the owner of that law firm that that was taking his case ends up getting a heart attack while on vacation. Um, so they had postponed the court date. When the court date comes back, that's when we find out, um that the lawyer that he had and the passing away facebook post I I start seeing all these facebook posts about this um judge, uh lawyer, acosta, acosta, everywhere, just posted like my condolences, it's his fucking lawyer. That's what happens. Um, they postponed the the court date to another court date. Um, and it's somebody, it's a lawyer within the same firm. I'm like, hmm, he end up getting another lawyer, so they postponed it so he can get up to date with the discovery of everything that was going on. I'm like, okay, well, he's going to until proven guilty. You know, at the end, I know that my kids are not going to make up those details, but at the same time it's like he's denying it. Okay, well, prove your case, prove it, prove that you're innocent. ¿qué pasa your case? Prove it, prove that you're innocent.
Speaker 2:The next court date comes doesn't show up. The second court date comes, doesn't show up, slowly but surely. I'm like I told you guys this once he posts bail and shit, his the fucking fan, he's gonna run, and the only place that his family tends to run to is florida. That's where they go to. They go to florida. I tell them this.
Speaker 2:They're like, oh well, since he you know, he missed his court dates, all we can do is give him a national fugitive warrant and see if he comes back to Illinois or if you have an exact address in Florida. We can send out paperwork toida and see if we can extradite him over here. The reason why they would say that they would extradite him from florida over here was because abuse started when he took them on a trip to florida when she was seven years old. Okay, so they do have a case like, say, if I wanted to go to Florida and open the case, then it would help me to get a case started over there and one over here. But the thing is that now, since I have posted that TikTok video everywhere, some people are telling me that he's in Honduras, some people are telling me that he's in honduras, some people are telling me he's he's in miami. So I really don't know.
Speaker 2:But you know like it's kind of hard. You know, just sitting there and waiting, you know, while you're piecing your kids together and you're piecing basically their whole lives and they're grieving for people that are not even dead. You know, like su tío, su tía. You know the grandparents, their father, like I'm trying to piece them all together and to know that I gotta sit there and wait and twiddle my fingers until he either comes back and fucks up or until, like, they figure out what they're gonna do with him. But to wait 20, 30 freaking years for my daughter to get justice, I I feel like that wasn't fair for them. I feel like they're another statistic in the system where you know, like they don't, they don't have a say in.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, let's go pick this guy up and and have him pay for the stuff, the, the damages that he did to his children yeah, I got you so that's why I took the initiative to sit there and say, okay, fuck how I feel, fuck how I look, I don't care if you know, because people are gonna judge and people are gonna think like, okay, well, where was she? You know, in all of this, I didn't know my kids. They try to hide it from me. So good, and it was to not hurt me. You know what it is to read your daughter's trauma narrative and it say that she didn't want to break my heart kids do that that broke my heart yeah, yeah, it's funny, they didn't speak up because they didn't want to break my heart.
Speaker 2:That shit broke my heart because if, if I knew for one instant that he was doing that to them, I would have fought with everything in me to make sure that he would never even get near them. But to know, years after she, it started when she was seven and she didn't tell me till she was 11.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's tough to swallow, man and as a mother, I'm like, damn, he didn't give me that, that ick of being. He never gave me that ick. And I'm thinking, okay, well, we're co-parenting. Yeah, it might be a bitter divorce and you know, you're getting mad because I don't want to be with you. And when I divorced him he wasn't able to get his papers, so he was off the bat pissed off about that. He couldn't claim citizenship because I had already got divorced by him. Mind you, I was his sponsor, so he was already pissed off about that. I'm thinking like, okay, well, he's kind of mad because I don't want to be with him. But it had nothing to do with the kids Not realizing like, damn, I let my kids stay with this monster and he was going to end up hurting them.
Speaker 1:And he was disguised the whole time.
Speaker 2:The whole time I told him like I don't want to traumatize my kids with any trauma, because I've been through trauma since I was young. You know I was trying to do the right thing as a mother and say, hey, you know, you got something stable. I'm not going to traumatize them with my shit. You know, let me figure it out and make sure that they're okay. You know, and sometimes I as a mother, I feel guilt of like I put myself first, and when I put myself first, my, my kids end up paying for it. My kids end up paying for it. But at the same time it's like I had to get out. But you hello being able to be a mother and being able to have my mental and get my mental right so that way I can be there for them that's, that's the way that I am now.
Speaker 2:I'm 10 toes behind my kids, like there's no, there's nobody coming in between my kids. Yeah, but it took so many years of me being out of light of the verbal abuse, the emotional abuse, the mental abuse, you know. It took so much. It came to a point where I felt like I wanted to give up so bad. But the only, the only way that I kept pushing in this life was my kids, my kids, my kids. I need my kids, my kids need me.
Speaker 2:But to come to find out, all this was in the hands of their dad, the one that would always tell me that I'm a bad mother because I left, because I didn't want to come back, for him to do that, and especially it being your own children, your own blood, your own seed, that hurts so freaking bad. Own seed that hurts so freaking bad. Yeah, that hurt me, that destroyed me. I I took them to therapy. I've done therapy and just to know that the system, the way it's worked it to sit down and wait until my daughter gets justice. I wasn't going to let that happen, even though it was embarrassing and I had to put my story out online and see the comments of how terrible of a mother I was, and see that. Oh well, you knew him from the jump.
Speaker 1:But there's nothing. There's nothing embarrassing about that. You were blinded, you didn't see it, there was no way to tell that this guy was a scumbag and you have to let it out so people can find this scumbag because he's on the run. So there was nothing. There's nothing embarrassing about this, and you should never feel embarrassed about this. You're trying to protect your child the best way you can, and that's all the mother can do right now.
Speaker 2:I just want to be a voice to people, or to women, to not feel guilty if it's anything related to domestic, to think of themselves and get out before it gets too ugly. Or for children to you know, even if it's the person closest to you, speak up, for you to speak up and not be scared about it.
Speaker 1:Yes, I agree.
Speaker 2:To not be scared, whether it's your mother, whether it's your father, whether it's your mother, whether it's your father, whether it's your uncle, your brother, your sister, whoever it is.
Speaker 2:yeah, yeah, abuse is abuse and it's not good and the reason why I brought it to the, to the social media platform, is to help somebody else, even if it's somebody within his reach or anybody that's scared to speak up. There's a lot of children, even my daughter's friends. They all have their own abuse story. Yeah, and it's so sad because some of the moms don't believe their kids. Some of the moms don't speak up. Some of the moms brush it under the rug. Some of the moms don't speak up. Some of the moms brush it under the rug. Some of the moms don't call the police. They don't want a spectacle in the family, they don't want to be ridiculed, they don't want to be blamed.
Speaker 2:I don't care about any of that. A child is a child and children are off limits is a child and children are off limits, and that's why I, as much as like it hurts me and to relive everything that I've had to deal with this far, I decided that I wanted to come on the podcast because, at the end of the day, like I don't want to help children that are not able to have that backbone and speak up, and that's what jaylani would want and jaylani is all for, even though she was scared at the moment. Now that she's gone through therapy and that she has sat down with me and I've I've made her secure to the point where she wants to tell her story and she's okay with everybody knowing the the ugly truth, the beautiful parts of her. She's okay with showing what's vulnerable and and trying to help somebody that's in need.
Speaker 1:And and trying to help somebody that's in need. And another thing is that you're also helping the parents the parents who are not able to see this happening to their child, and even the parents that are kind of like I don't want to go to the cops because I'm embarrassed. No, you need to do this, you need to step out, you need to take this person off the streets. This person needs to go to jail. So you're not only helping the kids, but you're also helping the parents learn how to deal with this, Because this is a process of dealing with pain. You know what I'm saying. So it's good and I'm happy that you came to this podcast and discussed your story.
Speaker 1:I know, I know baby, but can you try your speaker Speaker? Try your speaker speaker.
Speaker 2:Try your speaker or your headset.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're going to check on this. How's that? No, you still can't. Okay, well, we're going to end this podcast. I want to thank you, doris Garment, for your incredible story Of your daughter's pain and even your own pain, because you are the mother and you had to deal with this and go through this, you know. So I just want to thank you very much for sharing your story at the podcast and I wish you the best with your therapy and everything. Okay, thank you and have a good one. And have a good one. Thanks for listening to our show. This concludes our episode. And listen up to the next episode To follow up on what Continuing topics and trends we have going on, and just to continue to listen to your boy, ny Boom, and co-host Big Daz, and listen to our points of views, and maybe you can add on to it if you want, but we'll catch you on the next one. All right, have a good one. Peace out, fellas.
