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EP:171 From Supernatural Semen to Psychic Surgery: Exploring Modern Snake Oil Salesmen
We explore the dark underbelly of modern cults and scams, examining the psychological tactics used by leaders to manipulate followers and extract money through false promises.
• NXIVM cult led by Keith Rainier charged members thousands for workshops that psychologically degraded them
• Women in NXIVM's DOS subgroup were branded with the leader's initials and told his semen had "supernatural qualities"
• Brazilian medium João Teixeira de Faria makes $10 million annually selling herbs and performing unproven "psychic surgeries"
• Satan Con in Salem reveals Satanists focus more on personal freedom than the stereotypical devil worship
• Criminal justice PhD student caught for murder through DNA evidence in a public genealogy database
• Discussion of ethical concerns regarding police use of consumer DNA databases for criminal investigations
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You are listening to the Double A Club and this is your host, ny Boom, and my co-host, big Daz. We'll be talking about trending topics in healthcare and basically, just as a disclaimer just to let the listeners know that this is just basically on our opinions and speculations and I hope you guys enjoy the show. Let's start off and kick off with our first topic.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I got this other organization. It's called NXIVM. It's spelled N-X-I-V-M, nxivm-v-m, nixivian. Yeah, okay, and it's run by this person. His name is Keith Rainier, who was in prison for racketeering and sexual offenses. The group extends from the US, canada and Mexico, and this group has also been on the New York Times. Rainier was indicted for sex trafficking, sexual exploitation of children, possession of child pornography, identity theft and extortion.
Speaker 3:Oh wow, this guy just keeps it going. Yep.
Speaker 2:He's an outlaw, huh. He's an outlaw, yeah, and he has also created subgroups to continue his exploitation. One of his subgroups is called JNES, which started in 2006, and it's targeted only women. A high-profile member of this organization is Allison Mack, who is the actress on Smallville. Oh.
Speaker 2:This group would brainwash women that they were irresponsible, narcissistic, self-absorbed, and they usually cast themselves as victims. They had 11 workshops and each workshop would last about 8 days and it would cost the members $5,000 each. So yeah, he's making money. The second subgroup is called Society of Protectors, Founded in 2011,. This subgroup catered to men men and it was supposed to build characters, turn boys into men, and they would have to make a down payment of 1500 to become members oh nice yes the female yep now the third one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the third one is DOS, d-o-s, founded in 2015 and it's the initials of a Latin meaning, and the meaning is lord or master of the obedient female companion. So if you translate that into Latin, that would be DOS. So this subgroup was the elite women's group designed to be the slave masters. The members would have to give collateral to join the group. The collateral would usually be nude pictures.
Speaker 3:Collateral would usually be what.
Speaker 2:Nude pictures.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, pictures. Oh okay, you could be a member as a woman. You would have to send a nude picture of yourself and boom voila, you're a member oh, that's what we thought so the woman in the women in this club will be put on strict diet. And they were branded with Rainier keifer in years initials. They are something yeah, yeah yeah, mine, basically, basically, yeah, basically branded them. He was like yo, this is mine, so this fuckwad would tell women that having sex with him would heal them that his semen had supernatural qualities.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a good one. Yo, like, how can you believe this shit? Give me that one. How can you believe this shit for real? Like I'm going to stop right here. Real quick, right, you know it's always said that women are the smartest species out of the two, right? But if you're that smart, how the fuck do you believe that this man's sperm has supernatural fucking quality?
Speaker 3:Hey, you don't know, he's probably on a good fruit diet and he probably tastes really good. So if he tastes that good, Whatever.
Speaker 2:So this subgroup will conduct classes to degrade the women right and these classes will last 16 days, 12 hours each day, and they cost them $7,500 to be degraded it's, it's, it's got inside no, no, the one class. One class is 16 days and and in those 16 days you got 12 shifts each day and it will cost a total of $7,500.
Speaker 3:So $7,500, that's actually not that bad.
Speaker 2:$7,500 for 16 days to be degraded. You think that's not bad?
Speaker 3:You mean to get degraded, I guess, but they're in an excluded place, right?
Speaker 2:I don't know. They didn't tell you, they were telling you something it doesn't. That shit. You know, if you go to Dominican Republic or go to Punta Cana, right, and you can stay at one of those resorts for 16 days, it's going to cost you seven grand and that place is all inclusive. Yeah, nah, that shit's not working. Get the fuck out of here, so this.
Speaker 2:this group also conduct these human experiments called frightight Study, and this Fright Study would expose members to disturbing videos of decapitation. They would also they also have infected over 300 members with an unidentified disease.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's 75% right there Just to get infected.
Speaker 3:Bunch of, bunch of.
Speaker 2:So A bunch of fucking crooks.
Speaker 3:I see, that's a scumbag bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a scumbag bro, Branding people and all that shit. So my next one right is this I believe he's Brazilian, I think so. So his name is Jao Teixeira de Faria.
Speaker 3:He's a medium right huh, he's a medium we need a medium medium that's like so we saw the other was.
Speaker 2:He was exposed on CNN, abc News and even the Oprah Winfrey Show. So this man sells herbs to kill, to cure ailments, and it's said that he earns over $10 million a year selling these herbs. Wow, for real. Like if I can make $10 million and make oregano and tell you that it's going to cure all your diseases and pain, yo I need to start fucking setting up my garden For real. That's some big whop right there. Jow is also known for performing and you're going to laugh at this Psychic surgery.
Speaker 3:Wow yeah yeah. That is impressive. Psychic surgery yes, psychic surgery. I need to know the details here. What else? What is psychic surgery?
Speaker 2:There's no details about this shit, bro. The surgery, this supposed surgery, has yet to be proven to be effective. I don't know what he does. He hypnotizes people.
Speaker 3:I don't know, but people line up to pay $5,000 to $10,000 for this supposedly psychic surgery taking away their tumor or something without doing, without even getting cut. No, but he like if he did, I, didn't I be talking through someone else while they're doing the surgery like I.
Speaker 2:Don't. All I know is that in the article they had no, no person here.
Speaker 3:No, very secure.
Speaker 2:There was zero results. Nobody came on today and he cured me.
Speaker 3:Nobody, nobody said any, they just so hey, right, huh, plenty of people pay right.
Speaker 2:Oh Fuck, is making over 10 million. Bro Is Pablo Escobar. Without the cocaine she's, I am you oh. Man, that was fun. Oh man, million is worth the fucking cocaine, bro, for real.
Speaker 3:To be a scumbag. It really pays off.
Speaker 2:That is the one thing that these organizations, these cults, or whatever you want to fucking call them right they have. They're fucking scumbags who try to rob innocent people of hopes and dreams and faith.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I totally agree with that. That's crazy, like psychic surgery. He's already rich and hasn't got a cure.
Speaker 2:He's dicing you up and curing your cancer. He's cutting you up and curing your broken bones without a knife.
Speaker 3:He's using his mind, yeah yeah, he doesn't even get to do it. You know you go through the procedure, alright.
Speaker 2:I guess they prep him. I don't know, maybe they prep him with fucking holding water.
Speaker 3:I don't know, that's hilarious, what you got. Oh, man, I got. This has caught my eye. There is a Satan Con when People gather. Actually it's one of those when people gather up and go to church have prayers I don't think they're called prayers, but up and go to church have prayers I'll be the corporate but we talk to say, in my case, they are past the word of having your own to be free without worshiping. So it was pretty. I saw this thing, khan, saying cons out of Boston, over in Salem, one of the biggest gas. It is the biggest gathering of Satanists, satanists. No, they're all called Satanists, oh, satanists. And you know Salem actually has the biggest witchcraft community. That is in Boston. So and comb of the Satan Satan temple, which I was looking at, this and I really like, I gotta say one thing. I really I guess they, they probably did it, so you know you don't get it, but they, they don't seem like they like. So they're like like all that devil worshipping things, stuff, the freedom of choice.
Speaker 2:Okay, so kind of like atheists, huh, kind of like atheists Like atheists.
Speaker 3:It's very similar to atheists. It is very similar to atheists, like that's what they, you know, give the word on and they also have an abortion clinic and it's actually called the Salem Allot's Mom's Abortion Clinic and over there they were actually losing the same con because it was actually finally opened. They were fighting for actually a couple of years to open that, actually losing the same company because it was actually finally opened. They, they were fighting fashion a couple of years open that um, uh, abortion clinic and they were open because, uh, they're because of their belief. They just believe that. You know, you have to, you have to choice, which, I don't know, that's debatable for me, I don't know, I wouldn't do it, that's just my choice.
Speaker 3:But they have actually what else? They were actually produced, like a couple years ago some guy actually made the church and they have a pastor, uh, ordained pastor at that. He's ordained and he does divorces up on baptisms and they were actually practicing one while I was checking this thing out and it was pretty crazy, supposed to. It's like annoying, I don't know, I can't say that. But what I mean is like you don't you? I didn't expect what I saw. You know, like they were just speaking more about having the having not to worship. I'm not calling on names, I just want to take care of myself.
Speaker 2:So what did you? What did you expect when, when, when you started your research?
Speaker 3:I guess I was being what do you say? I'm trying to think of the word Like uh, I don't know. I'm trying to say like I guess I was expecting I was being like um I forgot the word I'm trying to get, but I definitely was being like um. I forgot the word I'm trying to get, but I definitely was like like Horn people coming in with horns or like looking crazy like.
Speaker 3:They were very. They were very. A lot of them were got this, but it wasn't like they were talking about killing people. I mean suffering abortion, if you want to technically term that, or doing like like uh, pouring blood, out pouring blood.
Speaker 2:So you thought they were going to have satanic rituals and they didn't.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:So you were stereotyping.
Speaker 3:That's what I was trying to get out. I was stereotyping. I was definitely stereotyping.
Speaker 2:Well, it's good that you took a look at it and found out what they were really about, and now you know that that impression that you had at first was incorrect.
Speaker 3:Yeah, definitely I was.
Speaker 2:So what else do you have?
Speaker 3:No, no, pretty much it. It no worshiping things, because the same kind of actually interesting. It's just too long, it wasn't longer, it was just uh, it was mainly just a big-ass community so all right.
Speaker 2:So let's, uh, let's end this. Um, let's, uh, you know I'm gonna bring up this one last story, which is kind of crazy and, um, it ties in to to previous topics that we talked about with AI and all that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, there's this grad student who has a PhD in criminal justice and criminology, and his name is Brian Christopher Goldberger. Brian Christopher Kohlberger, kohlberger, kohlberger.
Speaker 3:Kohlberger Gotcha.
Speaker 2:So he was arrested for murder Nice. He was accused of murdering four students from the University of Ohio and it's crazy how police found this guy, police found this stuff. They identified Brian using a public genealogy database, using DNA that was left on the scene. So you know, like yeah, yeah, you know that that company, that kind of like they say that they'll find, like your family members and all that you just give them some DNA I forget what it's called, but you know, you swab your mouth and you send um, you send it to them and they and they, um, they find your relatives and stuff like that based on your uh, dna.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, like, uh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. They find you at ancestrycom. Yes, Ancestrycom.
Speaker 2:Thank you. Well, that's how they found this guy.
Speaker 3:That's crazy. It's awesome, sweet, calm dot com what they like. So you're telling me, like the guy's daughter or something, or son or grandson, kid, whatever, did an ancestry dot com and they found him. Um, maybe, maybe he did it himself to find out his family members don't know, and they found him Maybe.
Speaker 2:Maybe he did it himself to find out. His family members don't know too much about it, but there was DNA left in the crime scene and that DNA tied into the Ancestrycom database and that's how they found him. But oh, it's this guy. This guy is the one who gave us the DNA. It had to be him.
Speaker 3:It wasn't a family member, hmm so wait, let me get this straight. Yeah, go ahead, just to understand this story. So you're telling me this guy Did a crime? Yes, and the cops came to the crime scene, yeah, they found some DNA. Yes, and because the what the ancestrycom can do, they were able to find this guy, which is the murder.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, because he already gave up his DNA for his got you so they didn't have to search for him.
Speaker 3:yeah, so they have to. Ok, so they have to search for him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they didn't have to. Ancestrycom did it for them.
Speaker 3:I know, that's what I'm saying. He was already on record. Yeah, I got you. Yeah, wow, that's crazy, but actually could have been somebody else that did it. But because Ancestrycom already has DNA a file, something like that could have. Yeah, okay, nine friends were.
Speaker 2:That was a crazy story. Yes, that was a crazy story. Yes, I thought it was going to be used going forward, because if it can be used to prove that that's like against.
Speaker 3:I feel like that should be against the law.
Speaker 2:Well, remember we talked about these. Companies are fighting, but there's nothing as of yet. They haven't said it as against the law or anything. So until it's unlawful it's going to be, or anything I got you. So until it's unlawful it's going to be used lawfully.
Speaker 3:I got you yeah, the cops will do whatever they want and they can. That's true, that's true. Alright, that's the end of our show. Alright, guys, have a good one. If you got any questions, if you want any topics that you guys want to hear, please let us know email us at doubleaclubpodcast at gmailcom alright, have a good one, guys, bye, bye thanks for listening to our show.
Speaker 1:This concludes our episode. And listen up to the next episode to follow up on what continuing topics and trends we have going on, and just to continue to listen to your boy, ny Boom Boom, and co-hosts Big Daz, and listen to our points of views and maybe you can add on to it if you want. But we'll catch you on the next one. Alright, have a good one. Peace out, fellas.
