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Beyond The Box
The social justice podcast where bold conversations spark real-world change.
TUNE IN TO HEAR… prominent, knowledgeable, and inspiring experts from across the spectrum of social justice. We ask the tough questions, share in-depth stories, and dig into the nuances of today’s most pressing issues. From ending mass incarceration to fighting poverty and discrimination, our episodes go beyond the surface, delivering thoughtful dialogue with a dose of optimism and hope. Join us as we push the boundaries, challenge the status quo, and work toward a more just and equitable world—one conversation at a time.
Beyond The Box
Episode 3: How Do We Reform A Criminal Legal System That No One Trusts?
On this episode of Beyond the Box, Doug and Johnny talk with Chesa Boudin, the former crusading District Attorney of San Francisco who briefly became the contested face of criminal legal reform.
“Historically prosecutors have been all too happy to do the dirty work for the real estate industry, for the political elites, for the economic elites, and that means that we have a system of justice where people don’t trust law enforcement, they don’t trust the courts or the integrity of criminal convictions because people know that if you’re Black, or if you’re poor, if you’re an immigrant, if you don’t speak English, you’re going to be treated differently by the system. We are in a moment where there is tremendous resistance and pressure from very powerful interests against criminal justice reform, we know that. Funding is being cut, people are being prosecuted, organizations are being broken up, people are being recalled or removed from office, etc. This is a reality. It is also used by those same right wing interests to craft a narrative that is very very dishonest and misleading, which says something to the effect of criminal justice reform is dead. That is fundamentally dishonest, and I want to take a minute to explain why…
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