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How Tech Can Break Generational Wealth Gaps | ft. Alon, Rise Urban Nation & More Than a Title
What happens when a tech founder, community advocate, media entrepreneur, and passionate truth-teller sit around the same podcast table in New York City? You get one of the realest, most inspiring conversations about business, culture, and legacy.
In this episode, Jamar Jones is joined by Alon Grinshpoon, CEO of Echo3D, along with podcast hosts and leaders from More Than The Title and Rise Urban Nation. Together, they dive into what it truly means to build something that matters—whether it's a cloud-based 3D tech platform, a movement to uplift underserved communities, or a media company with roots in purpose and hip-hop.
You’ll learn:
✅ How to break into the tech industry (even if you don’t have a traditional background)
✅ Why representation and storytelling are crucial for the next generation of innovators
✅ The power of immersive tech like AR/VR—and how it’s shaping our future
✅ How to build a business that solves real problems and secures serious VC funding
✅ Why collaboration beats competition, especially in underserved communities
✅ How personal sacrifice and purpose-driven leadership fuel long-term success
From getting your face on a Times Square billboard to making sure kids in underserved neighborhoods get exposure to tech opportunities, this conversation is equal parts real talk and roadmap.
🚀 If you're a founder, creator, community leader, or anyone striving to do more than just wear a title—this episode will hit home.
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He took the Google. These Google free certificate classes got an entry-level job to Some tech company and it's making six figures right now from a free certificate. He got a Google certificate, and not about passion not about the cost.
Speaker 2:Of the education is the value.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you see that's on free, doesn't matter.
Speaker 2:What value did he get from it? And he got a technical skill, he learned a trade, yeah, yeah. See, this is what we're talking about, about the importance of education.
Speaker 3:Super great experience right now in Times Square, as we are in New York, in the city. Man, it's been crazy, you're in my hometown. It's been crazy, it's been absolutely fantastic. So we got. So you're from New York, I am, and you're, like you said, a couple like one bus stop away.
Speaker 4:I'm on the Upper West Side. Upper West Side, okay, yeah, okay, we don't call that the hood, though it's lit.
Speaker 2:We don't call that the hood either, Just so you know we're on the same page.
Speaker 4:Yeah, pretty close by, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:And you're from Cali. Yeah, cali, cali.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. Let me give a caveat to that, because I grew up in DC raised in DC, most of my life that's right and then then moved. So I'm California now because I've been out there for 20 years.
Speaker 3:but from originally DC. So, yeah, that's awesome. Yes, and you're a native, you're in New York, new.
Speaker 2:York City. You can hear it in your accent man, new York, big X, energy All day, every day.
Speaker 3:Love it, Big X energy Dope. So I want to talk about first can you introduce yourself? Yeah, and just also what your business does.
Speaker 4:Yeah, sure. So I'm Alon Grinchpoon. I live on the Upper West Side. As mentioned earlier, I run a company called Echo 3D. We're a cloud solution for 3D digital asset management, which basically means that we're a very fancy draw box for 3D. So we have companies like Oil Gas Automotive who use us to store 3D models, animations, interactive content and then share those types of files across our team all over the world.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's cool too, but you didn't talk about the video games. Yeah, so one of the biggest use cases of 3D.
Speaker 4:it's obviously gaming Video games is massive.
Speaker 3:Yeah, models and stuff like that, yeah so avatars, models, game assets, you name it.
Speaker 4:We're seeing today games like Fortnite or Roblox. These are massive games with massive amounts of users and the content is constantly, constantly changing. So we need really interesting tools to manage all that content. Yeah, and then, when did you start your business? Six years ago. Six years Congratulations man, thank you so much. Yeah, it's been a wild ride. We raised $9.5 million from a bunch of VC capitals like Qualcomm.
Speaker 4:Ventures and Space Capital based here in the city. It's been a wild ride. New ventures and space capital based here in the city. It's been a wild ride.
Speaker 3:Yeah, new York is the place to start your business.
Speaker 4:It's the place that kind of dreams can come true, and if you're an entrepreneur and trying to build something, this is definitely.
Speaker 3:New York. Yeah, yeah, this got an invite to Black Week. I guess I gotta come back, I guess.
Speaker 1:I gotta build my business here, I love you gave a die to New York. New York, big city of dreams, yeah, big city of dreams.
Speaker 3:And get invited to Black Week. I know, man, I know we going to talk.
Speaker 1:We going to talk. I've been shopping up for this long and I didn't get the invite. I'm jealous. I see how it is. He's like you got to fly all the way back out here.
Speaker 3:a week later, man, that's in the Cali way back out here a week later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm five. Four or five hours down the road, four or five hours across the water, right, right.
Speaker 3:Terrell, can you tell?
Speaker 1:us a little bit about Rise Urban Nation real quick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, rise Urban Nation is a podcast that highlights black and pan-African entrepreneurs all across the diaspora.
Speaker 1:Let me give you the why why I started this thing because I used to do work on contracts from state and federal funding to look at how do we get, you know, underrepresented folks into different career fields like tech and so forth, and so all this money was used. And then when I was out into the high school especially in the lower income neighborhoods, you know the the kids used to say I'm not gonna do that and I had all this money to get them into these things. I'm gonna do this balling thing, I'm gonna do this rapid thing, this YouTube thing, but they could be skilled in this, but they they like you the only one out here see you doing that and I realized they couldn't be what they couldn't see. Yeah, so I wanted to highlight all the different black people, successful black people in different spaces. So, one, they have representation to see that, hey, you could do this too. And two, to highlight the stories of these folks, because these stories are untold.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, and also me and Rise Up A Nation. We got a partnership. Yeah, we got a partnership. We got a partnership Really, just like collective media, like just helping each other. We're both speaking to business owners, leaders in different spaces, entrepreneurs, and like hey, when the boat all rises, man, we rise with all the tides.
Speaker 1:So that's really about it. We rise together. I just came up with that, so let me.
Speaker 3:Rise Urban Nation. Is that your?
Speaker 1:slogan or something. I mean it's part of it, Some of that is part of my slogan.
Speaker 2:I like it.
Speaker 1:What's the back of the t-shirt say?
Speaker 3:Unite uplift and ignite Ignite.
Speaker 1:And that's what we're doing with our partnership.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, 100%. And we just talk about this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, 100%. And we just talk about this. We got to start doing business with each other 100%. And unite in this so that we can uplift each other in our communities.
Speaker 3:Right yeah, how many? Just real quick. How many? So who's your clientele?
Speaker 4:Who's the people that buy. I'm usually game developers or companies that have a massive amount of 3D assets.
Speaker 3:You got anybody that you've interviewed. He's done over 200 episodes, hey I like.
Speaker 1:This is several people. This I got even the guy who was the 30th employee for microsoft, which is a black man who's probably interested in the stuff that you're doing so, yeah, yeah, well, they had.
Speaker 4:I mean, they just shut it down, but they have this kind of amazing what I consider one of the best augmented reality headsets that obviously uses 3d and for gaming and that's major. Like Microsoft was like such a major player, yeah, the. Hollands exactly, exactly so they just kind of like sunsetted, but it's been for a while. That was like the best AR headsets ever. I'm sure they. I've tried it out it's super dope.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll probably get you out to San Diego, because there's a guy named Claude Jones that does the San Diego Tech Hub and there's a big tech ecosystem out there. They're trying to get connected with just different things and innovations. Yeah, let's do it, I mean.
Speaker 4:I think every place. Specifically emerging technologies like AR, vr are so immersive you can use it anywhere. You can teleport yourself into this studio by wearing a headset. Everyone should get one, honestly.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be honest with you. I got a lot of 3d footage to Security settings like Space on the phone. Need to upload some of this to the cloud.
Speaker 3:So that's a great segue. You kind of should.
Speaker 4:I'm in the cloud business. We'll talk later.
Speaker 3:I'll hook you up with some extra storage. That's a great segue. That's a perfect intro for more than the titles in the building.
Speaker 2:Daddy, y'all. What's going on, man? Hey, man, you know my podcast is called more than the title. Um, just like everybody sitting at this table, we are more than what our titles define us as. So you might be a ceo, but you're also a son. You somebody's brother, right? You might be somebody's lover, but you're also a son, somebody's brother, right? You might be somebody's lover, somebody's best friend, somebody's uncle, right, somebody's confidant. So we all wear multiple hats, we all experience multiple roles that in our daily lives, we handle without even thinking about it because you do it so much, right? So we're all more than the title.
Speaker 2:So that's why we call our show More Than the title. Yeah, yeah, super dope, yeah, man, super dope more than the title, man don't, don't let what's written on paper define you you understand. I'm saying because you're more than that, right, you, yeah, you're that for that moment. But what happens when you leave? Work? Yeah, you might run a company, but most people work for people yeah, so when you leave that company, that title stays there. Don't go home. What does account manager mean in your house?
Speaker 3:Yeah, you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:You might not even be the house manager, you might not even wear the pants in your own house. All that manager shit you better leave outside.
Speaker 1:You're going to sleep on the couch. Don't come in in this house. With that, you might sleep on the couch. Find your ass in in this house. With that, you might sleep on the couch.
Speaker 2:Find your ass on the lazy boy tonight, or something. So, you know, we do a lot of the same things that this brother does right here. You know we are trying to empower our community Bottom line and when I say the community, it means everybody in the community.
Speaker 2:So if you're in my community, it ain't because you want to be there. You understand what I'm saying, because economically, there's not a lot of options for you. So anybody, I don't believe in living in a bubble. Too many people live in a bubble where you think that if you don't take action because you might be financially okay or stable or you live a certain way, that the world and what it's going through won't affect you. And that's not true. The problem is you wait too long and by the time it affects you, it's too late. Now to affect and enact change takes a massive effort that you might not have the resources for. So we got to stop living with this bubble mentality. Right, we all live together. Watch this.
Speaker 2:I never met you before, but I lived in Cali three years. Never met you before. But I'm here, me and Jamal, first time, meeting Four different individuals, four different lifestyles, four different journeys. We are all in the same room right now. So guess what, if I'm feeling a certain sort of way right now? Guess what? You a victim to that. You way right now. Guess what? You a victim to that. You see what I'm saying. Your bubble now gets burst, because now we all in the same room at the same time and I can augment your reality very quickly, because now you a victim of what I feel like doing and how I feel in the moment. Do you see how quickly life can change for a person? Yeah, for sure. That's what I'm talking about. When you walk outside and go to a store just to get a latte or whatever, a pizza or something, you are surrounding yourself by people that are going through things every single day right perspective and you don't know what they're going through.
Speaker 2:So we got to stop treating people like trash, start caring about each other more like human beings right, and then we can start to heal and we can start to get to a better place as a culture.
Speaker 3:You understand, man man, I, I love the, I love the work you're doing.
Speaker 2:Man man, we gotta do it man, we gotta do it. We have to uplift each other for sure no reason for me to fight this man. He can be successful, you can be successful, this man can be successful, I could be successful, and we never have to fight each other right, and we never have to do anything that intertwines or nothing. We can do completely different things and have equal success with that.
Speaker 2:We don't have to fight yeah, yeah, we got to get out of that mentality that, in order for me to do well, I got to dog you, or dog you or do you dirty. No, you can't do that, gotta get out of that mentality.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, love, that, love that it's all about changing your circle, man. That's just that's my belief. The more you can change. Doing conversations like this and being able to meet new people see where it goes like that's. That's. That's where the opportunities come from and that's where they give you. You know where you actually can change your circumstances. Um, I want to ask you, uh, how? So you've been in business for six years, yeah? Um, how did you grow your business to where it's at today, like what really was some of the either partnerships or the ways that you've been able to acquire customers to get to where you're at today?
Speaker 4:Yeah, that's a great question. So in the beginning we really kind of went where our users at. So, for example, we catered a lot of developers, we sponsored hackathons. We went to school and said hey, you're building products, use our tool. So we really tried to kind of go to where our users are If it's online, so there's developer forums or Facebook groups, a lot of places where our again clientele hangs out.
Speaker 4:So, when you're building a business, try to figure out, like, put yourself into their shoes, which, exactly like you said, try to look at the world through them. Where do they hang out? Be there, kind of be present there, try to show the value. So for us it was a lot of online ads, a lot of like kind of boots on the ground, trying to kind of give our tool to these developers.
Speaker 4:Yeah, um, and then the more it grew, kind of we got our brand out there, um, and that was kind of a big deal. Suddenly our name is out there, our company's name is out there, and people are know how to kind of find us and kind of use our tool. Um, and now we're doing it kind of like the reverse. We're doing like a lot of kind of direct sales, trying to find the people inside organizations that we know might get value from our kind of product. And then now we're kind of doing that reverse, but it's built on this amazing infrastructure that we already created, that, like now, if they Google us or they try to find a tool for that specific problem, they can find us immediately.
Speaker 4:And just real quick to understand why was this so important to get in developers' hands as far as a tool, I mean, well, you have to validate that you're solving a real problem.
Speaker 4:If you're building a business at the end, this is not your kind of something just for yourself. You're trying to build something for someone else. That's again like that's why I really love your kind of message of compassion, like you're trying to solve someone else's problem. This is what it's all about building a business it's not about you, it's about someone else. So if you're able to find and really validate this problem exists and it's it's painful for them and you can bring in like a product or a solution to solve it, that's great. Yeah, but you really need to kind of look at your users kind of in the eye and see does this actually make sense?
Speaker 3:and that's oftentimes an entrepreneurship, a misstep, where they think they have a great product or benefits.
Speaker 4:The correct is all that stuff?
Speaker 3:but they're like, they're not constantly thinking what problem I actually solving.
Speaker 4:Yeah, a lot of people actually want this, yeah a lot of people are building solutions without figuring out. Wait, is it a solution for a problem like what is the problem that actually solved?
Speaker 4:and the correct way is to identify a problem, make sure it's a problem, build a way through your customers, through your clients. Does this actually solve the problem that you have? And then that's how you can kind of scale to a massive level. And if you think of any successful company and a successful product, that's kind of it like the reason something goes viral, the reason that someone really resonates with the product, is because this kind of great product, market fit exists yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3:Now, how can he get tapped into? So is there? So, from your customer base, do you feel like there's like a what do they call it, like your ideal customer? Yeah, ideal customer persona. Feel like like you're lasered in on that. But do you feel like there's room for, for growth, or maybe areas or audiences you're not reaching?
Speaker 4:yeah, so the ICP that we started with was one, but then the more the kind of company evolved, that evolved as well. So we started with kind of catering to developers or like, literally, students at school, but then the more time passed, only we're catering to executives and big companies that change, because the company kind of grows and the product grows throughout time and I think that's a great thing about building a company, or even building a product, building an audience Suddenly that kind of grows and grows and grows and you need to understand that you're actually catering to more and more ICPs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. Oh, that's cool. I'm trying to figure out how to connect dots live on the podcast.
Speaker 4:Well, I think you do that on the podcast all the time You're talking to so many people and that amount of data that you accumulate is massive, and the amount of people that you know is massive, and you're always trying to figure out. Okay, how do I increase my reach? How do I make this podcast better? Yeah, and how does that happen? Suddenly, you are talking about issues that affect more and more people and in order for that, you have to figure out.
Speaker 1:You know what comes to mind with me? All the wordplay back and forth from the time. When he said augment reality, I was like, oh, that's a bar right there.
Speaker 2:He just wordplayed off of the table.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah, and we're here, we're in the same this is New York time.
Speaker 1:Back when he was talking about changing the reality and the threading of the problem, going to understand the problem and then the solutions and coming together and like all of this is intertwined you know, it and like my mind is blown when I'm like oh, we from different things yeah, but it's all.
Speaker 2:But look how, look how I will connect it. I would go. You know echo 3d is dope. But for the person in urban space, how do you get into that space? Is there? What do you need a computer degree? Do you need an information technology degree? Or do you need a coding degree?
Speaker 2:You know, in the realm of a successful company like that, what are you looking for in a worker? What are you looking for in a partner? What are you looking for in a child that might be an innovator, that want to bring an idea to you? That's the information that my people need to hear, right, should they go to school and get a degree to work for you, how could they contact you to get an internship or a mentorship from you and learn about what you're doing? Because obviously you're doing something, you're solving a problem, but you're solving a problem that is now becoming the norm right in the space of what you're doing. So if you're not being technologically savvy in this time and error, you're going to fall behind very quickly. So see, that's how I would tie it in right. What are the prerequisites to getting a job? What does that look like? You understand? You raised 9.1 million. How many years did it take? What kind of VC capitalists did you deal with? What's the prerequisites for even applying for something like that? Did you do crowd sourcing?
Speaker 2:That's the kind of information If I had you on the show. Those are the questions that we would ask you. Because these are the questions that we would ask you, because these are the questions that because, yeah, where I used to plug in that right, yeah, because sometimes his company may not know all the information.
Speaker 1:To that right like and so like there's usually like a community college that works with some like workforce development board, and let's say we're in new york, let's take new york's name, new york probably has some workforce development board that takes federal dollars to give uh to the community colleges or to build programs with companies like his. All right, we won't pay for workers to come work for you for free, if you it, because what we're trying to do is avoid a crisis in our city, because if they can't hire folks to do this particular job, they have to outsource it, which costs more for them to go outsourcing.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see, yeah, yeah, yeah, so try to get people to come into the city to fill those roles that his company, especially if there's a lot of roles. Like say, if you had a bunch of roles for tech engineer on the back end, right, yeah, and they gotta go do that, then they have to. Either you're gonna have to make some deal to do something with you know some company over in india that can do the back end, yeah, and the city loses money on that and then they get into deficit. Then what happens when you can't hire people? You got, you, got you got people with wheelchairs.
Speaker 4:It's going like I walk I get.
Speaker 3:I gotta get the plane to pay these bills right in the circle of life.
Speaker 2:So what's your experience with like?
Speaker 3:how you're hiring talent or how you're seeing how people also can be able to get into tech.
Speaker 4:Yeah, so it's definitely what you described like. We have, I think, 10 interns every semester that come in kind of immerse themselves in these new technologies. I think there's so much goodwill around students to learn A lot of these things that we're talking about all these kind of new technologies like augmented reality, virtual reality, 3d, ai, they're all new, Like you, tomorrow you can become an expert on them and tomorrow community can become like a community that basically creates experts in that, like every day.
Speaker 4:Um. So I think that's really really exciting and kind of really positive. Like this is all these like literally. What was it like yesterday? Um elon musk introduced all these like robots or whatnot.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you can the optimist robot, so you can tomorrow you can like say, okay, that's my passion and I want to be part of that community, like just right now, this is like the first robot we're seeing. So in a few years you can take a kid who is trying to figure out their lives and make them into an expert and they can do that and they can really change our outcome, just because they are now experts in this kind of new, emerging field.
Speaker 1:And I'll second that because I know somebody who was from the interested in AI kid that was interested in AI that I met at a conference. Yeah, he took the Google, these Google free certificate classes.
Speaker 4:I mean yeah, right, yeah amazing.
Speaker 1:Got an entry level job to some tech company because he got really good from the Google class. Amazing as making six figures right now then went on is becoming a about to become a consultant. Because he got really good from a free certificate. He got a google certificate.
Speaker 2:Amazing and not about passion, not about the cost of the education is the value yeah, you see that's free, doesn't matter, it's what value did he get from it? And he got a technical skill. He learned a trade yeah, yeah see, this is what we're talking about, about the importance of education.
Speaker 4:Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 2:Not only did that free course. Now, what's the ROI? We talk about ROI as business owners and businessmen, right? What's the ROI of you giving out a free course? Okay, it takes X amount of resources to create said course and X amount of resources to disseminate said course to the people. One person, that one person, gets a job, then he makes six figures, then he makes seven figures, whatever, whatever, his whole family eats from that as a worker. Now let's say he becomes this gentleman right here and then opens up an entire company and solves a problem. Now he has workers and partners and this and and now you change how many other families lives from one free course?
Speaker 3:yeah, you see how did you get into that that works. So I was always I'm curious.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was always a techie. I always wanted to, you know, study computer science that's what it is for like in high school and in undergrad and grad. And specifically that connection of kind of hyper visual technology like ar v VR was really, really appealing to me. I did this project at Columbia University. We took CT and MRI scans, converted them into 3D and then physicians would wear literally sci-fi, would wear smart glasses like that HoloLens yeah and would see the patient's heart floating above him during surgery.
Speaker 2:Wow, it was nuts.
Speaker 4:I scrubbed into like 13 surgeries. No one even checked my ID. I was like how is?
Speaker 3:this real Like how are you in the room right now?
Speaker 2:We're going to cut that, no hold on Allegedly, you allegedly scrapped into 13 surgeries. That was such a crazy experience. Do not say the name of that hospital, please, please, lord, lord, lord. During the surgery. Open Lord, lord, lord.
Speaker 4:During the surgery open heart, Open heart allegedly Heart blown above.
Speaker 4:But it was such an amazing experience. It was really like taking again this kind of new technology that no one uses and putting it in the OR. My problem there was that I was an engineer. Why am I in an OR? It's 5 am in the morning. I love sleeping Suddenly. I can't. I need to be there to swap out 3D models, rebuild an app, deploy the glasses for the physician to see the kind of patient's heart floating above their body, and I was like there has to be a way, there has to be some cloud solution that I can just drag and drop and change. That that's it. Here's the problem that I found that I have personally and professionally Now, after that, started talking to so many developers.
Speaker 4:I interviewed like 300 people to kind of get to the bottom of this. Like is many developer? I interviewed like 300 people to kind of get at the bottom of this. Like, is this an actual problem? People said, yes, we started building it and then that message, that story, resonated with customers, with investors, with our partners yeah, yeah, it's like the VR Tony Stark's I've been seeing in the Marvel movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's the's like. All right, we're going to fix them up.
Speaker 4:But that's the goal, Isn't that, like you're seeing kind of art, like movies and whatnot, kind of showing us you know, like what do we want reality to look like? And then we see again, like what we talked about with kind of Elon Musk, when it's only we have robots. This is something that five years ago people think science fiction. But it exists and people like us can like work on that tomorrow and today. So I think that's kind of like again the powerful thing that a lot of these science fiction stuff are just science fiction, because right now it's in fiction. This is just science that we can bring into life.
Speaker 1:They bring this beyond to the hood it's gonna get crazy.
Speaker 2:I'm just going to say this we get very creative. Trust me, that shit will turn into something when that comes accessible to everybody. You ain't never Well, it's pretty accessible. You know how technology evolves into something you didn't think it could evolve into Bring that to the home.
Speaker 4:I guess it kind of goes back to your point. This is what we need. We need all stakeholders to come in, leverage technology, push it to the next level. There's creativity everywhere, and because a kid can't afford a headset today, it's a loss for all of us because that means we're not getting their creativity on display.
Speaker 1:For sure, but I think there's opportunities. I look at kids like I was that night dream. Kid does the screaming oh, yeah, yeah like, if you gave something this, like this, the kind, he brings all his homies in and they are tomorrow the cars.
Speaker 3:Tonight is he, though he's not he's not.
Speaker 2:He's not. I didn't know he's not. Jerry was like yes.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:Cancer.
Speaker 3:He's always screaming Adderall, but just say that that if you can link that up with an influencer like that to get it out to the masses and it'll create a new wave of folks wanting to really learn more, get into it and then find ways to do different things. Do you guys do any influencer marketing at all?
Speaker 4:No, we did some on YouTube. There's some kind of channels that are really focused on these and people who are streamers, who stream themselves playing Beat, saber and all these kind of VR games. So we sponsored some shows to get visibility through that. So that's obviously great. So, gaming there's also construction websites that do the same thing. That we're trying to kind of push.
Speaker 2:See, my thing is like you are a STEM program. Let's talk about bringing your company to some of these career days.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:How about that? How about you know, let's give a course in the fundamentals of what it would take to even get started in that in the educational school system from grade school on up. Let's do that. Somebody has said something. Somebody has said something. Um, I don't know if it was this session or the other session about like tuning. I think it was the other session about tuning in to one thing and becoming the best at it. Yeah, you know why our culture don't do that? Because we're so good at so many things, but because economically we're such in a bad place that anytime an opportunity comes to help us see a little bit of light, we're gonna take it. So, yes, I'm really good at this, but this is not bringing in any money right now, but this that I'm also really good in can pay the the light bill for a month. You understand what I'm saying. Take that and add it on a national scale. How many people go to school and get a degree and never work in the field that you actually just spent? 20, 30, 40, 50?
Speaker 4:60, it's like 80 percent.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's crazy, it's like 80 of people that go and study something end up getting a job somewhere else? How many people are in jobs that they absolutely hate their life? Going to work every single day? Tons. This is what I'm saying to you. What are we doing? We're running around a hamster wheel here.
Speaker 2:You, it's impossible to get the best possible version of yourself if you hate what you do. How? How? If you hate coming to work, you hate the environment, you hate your boss, everything you hate. You're going to give your best. You're going to give over the amount of what's at. No, you're not. This is why we got to correct these things as children. Hey, these are the opportunities. I know that you're not. This is why we got to correct these things as children. Hey, these are the opportunities. I know that you might not have even thought this could have been a job, could have been a career, could have been a business for your family, but it is. Are you interested? Let me show you the way. Instead of doing that at 20 and 30 and changing somebody's life, doing it as a child and developing that along the path, because it's better that way, because then you're going to get somebody that truly wants to do that.
Speaker 4:That's a phenomenal point, I think the fact that it's really hard to kind of visualize what will be like the next you know job or career, or title and it can be anything Again.
Speaker 1:Who?
Speaker 4:would thought like if you, I don't know, when you talk to your grandma and tell her oh, I run a podcast, does she know what a podcast is?
Speaker 1:Would she imagine I?
Speaker 3:know, a lot of people are like how do you make money with that?
Speaker 4:But honestly, yeah, when I tell my parents I'm doing AR VR, you know what I mean. It's like one generation, so like. But can?
Speaker 1:you even like, think about like, would your ancestors will say, yeah, that's what my kid will do, like they're running a podcast and they can monetize it. It's really unbelievable. I know a lot of people in the hood that should have a podcast because they got to get the gas. Yeah, like some of the barbershop talks I've been in, oh man, like, yeah, that's a good pocket, just put it.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I was like, oh man, this is crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah but to your point. So here's the thing, because I hear what you saying like, and so I come from a dad immigrant dad and my mom was born in the hood of New York, right up a state Rochester and so they all New York State.
Speaker 2:New York State, new.
Speaker 1:York State Not the city. Not the city.
Speaker 4:You can't claim the city You're from, rochester, no no, no, you're from Rochester.
Speaker 2:You can't claim New.
Speaker 3:York City.
Speaker 2:You got to say I'm from Rochester. You can't say, oh yeah, I'm from New York, From New York City. No, you're not, You're from Buffalo. Don't do that. They like making friends yeah but anyways these two my dad was immigrant mindset.
Speaker 1:Oh, you got to be a doctor, lawyer, engineer. Yeah, right, you know my mom's like do this job cuz it'll make you money, cuz yeah, blah, blah, blah. The job thing they pushed on me I wasn't good at and I went to my career trying to be yeah, do those things, and I didn't like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, you said but once I stepped outside of that and I started doing the things that I love, that's why I tell kids do what you love, love what you do. Don't chase the money, let the money chase you, and what I mean by that. Once you start doing what you love, people pay top dollar to do that thing you do. The first time I got paid to go public speak somewhere I didn't know you get paid. Yeah, yeah, right I love it.
Speaker 3:It's a beautiful thing, amazing. It's a public you got this thing.
Speaker 1:I was like shoot, I don't know. I said a couple hundred dollars there's like, oh, that's it. I was like, wait, you would have paid more, love it.
Speaker 4:And so like we got to teach Like find your gift. And then use that gift. Yeah, love it.
Speaker 1:Cause. That's where it is.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:When you, when you do something that's not work, it's not work, then you'll do it to a capacity that you don't even understand, right? I'm just telling you what it is. When you go to work, you work, you be watching the clock.
Speaker 4:If I go to the heck fucking punch out.
Speaker 2:But as a creator, we're creators, we're creators. Right, one of my first degrees is in computers. Right, one of my first degrees is in computers. I've always been a tech kid. I've always been into video games. Um, I think I had almost every video game ever released I until I had a fire, but I still got video games in the house. Now, me and my son, any given day you go to the man cave. We're screaming and throwing fucking controllers, throwing keyboards. We're gamers. We understand it, right.
Speaker 2:But at the end of the day I chose a different path. You know why? Because I have my son early and I came out the military. I'm a marine. I have my son at 21. I wanted him early but I wasn't. I didn't have the path, so I end up doing construction. You say why you do construction? Because my godfather did construction now I. I wanted him early but I wasn't. I didn't have the path, so I end up doing Construction. You say why you do construction? Cuz my godfather did construction now. I don't know what the fuck he did in the point, but I know every time, every Thursday, just think of pocket is like you guys like that kind of money.
Speaker 2:You know we doing and I had a guy that had an application list and it was for apprenticeships all over New York City and he didn't have a car. And I said, oh, let me get a copy of that. And he would not give anybody a copy of the list. He said if you want to go, you have to take me with you. Oh, wow, this is true Gatekeeping shit. Long story short, we went to a couple of them and I happened to go to one on varick street. We camped outside this is how serious it was and you didn't even get in, homie, wow. And I started out an apprentice and worked my way up through construction. I built a lot of these buildings by hand myself 22 years in construction, worked up senior management etc.
Speaker 2:But I'm just showing you I spent 22 years in a career that I absolutely never wanted to fucking do. But guess what? The money started coming in. I started to feed my family. I'm able to able to be a man and provide a house and a home for my family and support my family. Am I going to risk that to do this? That's uncertain. This is what people struggle with now. They get these jobs, they end up having relationships and responsibilities and then they get so old that it's like change. Now they're too afraid because are they willing to risk? What little bit they have, what little bit of security that it might have took 10, 15 years to finally get to, to chase that dream right. That's the problem. We're trying to get an adult to to transform. This is why we got to get them as children before you make the mistake.
Speaker 4:Then you have, like your kid right now, who's staying on the shoulder of a literally giant right, and he can do anything again like what? Will be. You know the title of your kid maybe robot engineer, maybe astronaut who knows and like we're only limited by imagination, right, but kind of your sacrifice is something that basically he's standing on the shoulders yeah, that's kind of an amazing thing, so that's what you can't change, the the father at least you know, but, but again, but my life ain't over, jamal.
Speaker 2:I still want to be happy. Yeah, my life ain't over what are you talking about.
Speaker 3:That's what I'm saying right.
Speaker 2:They did a study um a long time ago about when successful people truly become successful, especially entrepreneurs. I think most of the entrepreneurs um first develop success in their 40s because you have to kind of go through live like understand true things right and then you truly become successful. Until entrepreneurs um first develop success in their 40s because you have to kind of go through shit live like understand things right and then you truly become successful into your 40s.
Speaker 2:And then you know elon musk and a lot of them, if you actually look at when they actually start to become successful. Vince mcmahon you know they were like late, late, it wasn't early, early.
Speaker 4:That's our second time. Founders are so much more successful like you need to fail first right, yeah, and then the second time you know so much right so obviously.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that makes no sense exactly exactly, but it's the education.
Speaker 2:We have to get out the education because he took a. He took a hit because he didn't have us. Now watch the difference. Hey, chatty man, I got this, um, this, uh, public speaking thing, man, what's the base minimum that you guys get? Yeah, listen, this is what, the base minimum of what everybody gets in this industry. X, y, z.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now you go to them with oh, x, y, z, which might have been 10 times what you just asked for, right? And they understand. You understand, because that's the base minimum. See, they're not going to tell you yeah, you understand, because that's the base minimum. See, they're not gonna tell you yeah, but the problem is we're not. We're not telling them either. Yeah, we're not telling them. I'm telling you what the fuck I get for my program knowledge talking about, because I think, if I tell him he gonna take my spot, we talking about yeah if you take your spot, then it wasn't just by, and there's plenty of spots that's what.
Speaker 2:I'm saying it's very important for us to disseminate this knowledge. That's always going to be my message right, stop gatekeeping the knowledge man man, because once he gets on now, guess what? You're a phenomenal speaker. You have a lot to say. Did you ever think about public speaking? No, I never thought about that Chat and I could give you an opportunity, because now I'm in this field and I've dominated this field, and now they're looking for more people that I can you see how that works.
Speaker 2:One hand wash the other, or I've spoke for so many tech companies now I know the owners or VPS are the guys that sign the checks.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey, I might have a plug for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how it works. That's perfect. You know I'm trying to get more involved, Tarell, in the community. You know what I know some cats in Vios.
Speaker 3:Let me connect you right. See, this is why changing your circle is so important, man. It is, it really is, especially when you change it. And also you can transfer the knowledge and the expertise over to the next person.
Speaker 4:So, man, this has been super dope working. People find you at echo 3d comm. Check us out. There's a free tier that you can kind of register a player out of this totally, totally free and start playing around with 3d models, animations and attractive content. You do that directly on the website.
Speaker 3:Yeah, just register I'm going to alert the R&D team. Shadi is going to stress test it. I'll alert the fleet.
Speaker 2:It's called limit testing. He's looking for a whole other.
Speaker 3:I was like well, there you go, there's some free access to the knowledge. He's looking for a whole other thing, oh, my God.
Speaker 4:But yeah, check us out. Equitycom and yeah and again Icom and yeah and again. Just kind of, I really love the conversation, how like inspiring it is, and I'm like, if there's like a new technology, do you want to, like you know, dive into that rabbit hole? Do it Check it out? There's so many resources out there, like you mentioned.
Speaker 3:Sure, you never know. You might start a tech company and be six years in and be killing the game man. Super dope. Where can people find you at?
Speaker 1:You know, wwwriseurbanationcom, wherever you can find podcasts. I'm on every podcast platform, all social media platforms.
Speaker 3:Let's connect. Dope, dope, where can?
Speaker 2:people find you at More than a title. Yeah, man, all streaming platforms, especially YouTube, but we're on all streaming platforms, the More Than A Title podcast. Check us out, man, if you want to connect with me directly. On Instagram, I am Chadio and Facebook is mainly. I'm on Facebook, chadio. The CEO Holler at me, man, let's talk, let's talk.
Speaker 3:I didn't plug myself last time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like I said, I didn't plug myself.
Speaker 3:So, jamar Jones, I'm on LinkedIn. You can hit me up there. Our website is forevermediacom F-O-U-R-E-V-A mediacom. We help people grow their personal brand and their business. So I'm the change a circle guy. All I do is change a circle every day.
Speaker 1:I can't let you go like that.
Speaker 3:Tell them why you spell 4 Media, the way you spell it, so it's pretty deep, but I'll go really quick. So the meaning for forever is so back in the day when I used to perform so I was a hip-hop artist for 11 years of my life, performed and opened up for major artists, did hundreds and hundreds of shows my name was 4-0, and that came from back in the day when slaves were promised 40 acres of land and a mule and they never got it, and so it symbolizes hope and freedom of like striving for something, and so that's what the 4 comes for. And then the Eva part was legacy. I wanted to create something that had legacy to it so I could pass it down and generation to generation. The A on the end was just some swag on the N.
Speaker 2:I just wanted a little sauce, some sauce. Yeah, a little sauce, a little sauce.
Speaker 3:Just to show the flavor and the dynamics of the hip-hop culture that I have in the entertainment side. So yeah, man, it's deep, forever, ever, ever. So subscribe, like, comment, share episode, and I don't forget, you can change the circle to change your life and we're out face. Don't forget to Like, comment and subscribe. And don't forget to hit that notification bell for more amazing Content that we're gonna be putting out. And don't forget, you can change your circle to change your life.
