The LMD Podiatry Podcast

EP #21: Chronic Foot Pain: Causes, Fixes, Prevention

• Lauren Dabakaroff • Season 1 • Episode 21

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Pain with your first step in the morning. Burning feet at day’s end. A nagging ache that never quite lets you forget it’s there. We tackle chronic foot pain head on, pulling apart the tangled causes—from mismatched shoes and hidden tendon tears to stress, sleep loss, and the nervous system’s grip on pain—and rebuilding a plan that actually works.

With Dr. Lauren's clinical lens and real patient stories, we map a smarter path forward. We start with clear definitions and red flags that help you know when to get evaluated. Then we walk through an evidence-informed exam flow: x-rays to read foot type and alignment, in-office ultrasound to catch partial tears and nerve irritations that often hide in plain sight, and MRI when clarity demands it. You’ll hear why so many people stay stuck—generic footwear, overuse, under-recovery, and an overreliance on pills that mute symptoms but miss root causes—and how a few targeted adjustments change everything.

We go deeper than mechanics. Nerve pain and arthritis respond to fuel, movement, and stimulus: B vitamins, protein-forward meals, gentle walking, laser, and TENS can “wake” nerves while reducing background inflammation. We connect the dots between anxiety, high cortisol, and persistent pain, and share practical ways to lower the volume: better sleep routines, morning light walks, breath work, and paced activity. Prevention becomes a daily rhythm—supportive shoes that fit your foot type, orthotics when indicated, calf and quad stretches you’ll actually do, Epsom salt soaks, skin care to tame calluses, and a simple home kit that keeps flares from snowballing.

Whether you’re inactive and hurting, an athlete nursing a stubborn flare, or somewhere in between, you’ll come away with a clear, doable plan to break the cycle: assess precisely, support wisely, load progressively, and calm the system so it can heal. Subscribe, share this with a friend who needs it, and drop your questions in the comments—we’ll feature the best insights next time and keep helping you get back on your feet. Visit LMDPodiatry.com to learn more about getting back on your feet—for good.

SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to the LMD Podiatry Podcast. Trust us to get back on your feet. Here's your host, Dr. Lauren Debakarov.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, hello, hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the LMD Podiatry Podcast. Your co-host, Jeremy Wolfe, alongside none other than the hostess with the most us, Dr. Lauren Debakarov. Always a pleasure to see you.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you, Jeremy. Always a pleasure to hang out with you and talk about feet.

SPEAKER_01:

Talk about the feet. Yeah, you know, I read somewhere recently that a staggering number, around 80% of Americans at some point or other in their life suffer from foot pain, in many cases, chronic foot pain, right? And that makes sense, right? Because we're on our feet all day. Um, so today we're gonna talk a little bit about that. We're gonna talk about what constitutes chronic foot pain, why it's so prevalent across our population, um, how we treat it, how we manage it, and I think more importantly, how we can prevent it from happening in the first place. So we're gonna get into this, and I'm gonna pick your brain. Uh, you are you are the expert here. I got some good questions for you. So so let's just start off with from like definition definitionally speaking, right? Like what in your mind or or what constitutes chronic foot pain?

SPEAKER_03:

So in my mind, chronic foot pain is essentially pain that doesn't go away, right? Uh, if someone has pain every day, whether it's with a specific step or with a specific shoe or a specific movement that they do, that is the definition of chronic foot pain. It's just daily and it doesn't really resolve on its own. So now there's multi multiple factors that go into that, but that's my definition. If someone has this nagging pain and doesn't go away, and they what and then if they do something about it and it still doesn't go away, then it's officially chronic.

SPEAKER_01:

Got it. So I mentioned that number 80% of Americans. I wasn't sure if that was just foot pain, generally speaking, or actually chronic foot pain. How common is it in you know, from what you see in your practice, how common is chronic foot pain? And who who do you tend to see that deals with it most? Is it is it mostly the elder population? Is it like who who's a your prime suspect, if you will, for this ailment?

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, okay, so I see a lot of patients. I'm gonna say it's very common in the inactive people and people with multiple multiple medical issues, also in the obese population. And there are athletes with chronic foot pain as well, but that's from like some type of injury or something like that that didn't heal. But the people that always have pain in their legs and their feet and their ankles, and it's always both of them, and it's always just the pain doesn't go away, and they've tried it all. I find it a lot in those people who are very inactive, very immobile, um, obese as well. I see that a lot, and then there are there is like I just had a patient today who had a chronic foot pain and he tried everything, and I finally got an MRI, and he had a tear in his foot, right? So he's had chronic foot pain, he's been suffering for three years, and someone me finally got an MRI, and so it's a matter of, so he he's been trying to live with it for a very, very long time, but in his case, there is a like there's a solution, you know, we're gonna try X, Y, and Z to get his tear to heal, but there's always a reason behind it, and he decided not to ignore it anymore because he's an athlete.

SPEAKER_01:

Smart man, glad he has you on it in his corner to to help him through that that process, right? So I want to speak to a lot of people out there. I think there's a lot of people that experience some pain in their feet from time to time, uh, and and just ignore it. Right in your in in your practice, what's what are some of the biggest mistakes that people typically make when they first start feeling football? Because I know from where I sit, I I'm in pain, I I'm often in pain, right? I I run a lot, as you know, and I a lot of times I have to kind of weigh in my head. Is this just uh a pain that is not a big deal or is it a bigger problem? Is there an actual injury? There's like a line between there. What what what it how do you see that from your lens?

SPEAKER_03:

So if it if it's a pain that just that you can't walk it off and it keeps coming back, you need to see a doctor for that. Um, some of the telltale signs of chronic foot pain would be like pain with the first step in the morning. Every time you wake up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom or put your foot down in the morning, and your foot or your ankle, your leg is excruciating, something's going on. Okay. Uh, or a lot of times when you have pain at the end of the day, meaning you just you had a normal day, you went to work, you went to Publix, you walked around.

SPEAKER_01:

Your feet are aching. You want to get off your feet.

SPEAKER_03:

You want to get off their burning and they're achy at the end of the day, something's going on. So a lot of a lot of so the reason why I wanted to bring up chronic pain, it's not necessarily if there's like an acute um injury per state. I wanted to more discuss about how how to get people out of the pain cycle. But more, like, for example, the the telltale signs would be like burning feet, tired feet. Um, and the most common mistake is a the person's shoe. Like I said, you have an obese population in America, and then they're wearing these thin sole shoes that are not giving them any support. Not that I'm against barefoot walking, I'm not. Uh, there's this whole um like there's this whole trend. I don't know if I want to call it a trend, but there's this whole um ideology of strengthening all the intrinsic muscles of your foot to heal your foot and things like that. And that's great if you weren't obese, right? There's the zero-drop shoes and toe yoga and things like that. I'm not against it. I was not educated about it in school. It can help with a lot of people's foot pains, but for people who have constant pain and they have like burning and numbness and tingling and achy feet, and it just doesn't go away.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh that's support. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So that's where I would categorize it as chronic foot pain, right? Um, and a lot of people suffer for it. Even I do. I had issues with my feet for a while, and until I changed my shoes and did some therapy and uh put in some orthotics, now my foot pain's gone. And when I wear the wrong shoe and I'm and I had a nice Thanksgiving and I gained three pounds, I feel it, you know. So is it you know, my foot pain is not necessarily chronic, but I know what instigates it. I know what is gonna trigger it, I know what my foot needs, right? Because I'm not light, I'm not obese, but I'm not light. And my foot doesn't like a thin soul chew. And I can tell, I can feel it when I wear a flip-flop.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that that makes perfect sense. Obviously, if you're uh suffering from obesity, putting more strain, like walking around barefoot, is gonna put, yeah, while it might help for somebody like maybe I've heard that like beach running is good for me, like on the sand, because your feet go in all different ways and you're stretch stressing all the different muscles. But if you're already have a significant excess load, I can see how that could create stressors. So the first thing would be, you know, foundation. Uh obviously it speaks to a larger issue, right? About like overall health and trying to maintain a healthy lifestyle. A lot of these ailments that people suffer for not suffer from not just chronic foot pain, but all sorts of chronic pain can in many many times be addressed by like lifestyle changes, right? Changes of your diet, changes of exercise, your well overall well-being in many cases will solve these types of issues. I know you mentioned that before we started. A lot and a lot of times this chronic pain is really in people's heads, right? Psychosomatic to some.

SPEAKER_03:

A lot of times, a lot of time, like listen, there's people with fibromyalgia and that and depression, and that also takes a big it takes a big um number. It it does play a big factor in their foot pain. Like I had a patient who he had a fracture for like a year, and nobody and every someone just put him in a boot for like way too long, and he he had complete disuse of his foot, and he was in so much pain. I fixed his foot surgically, I fixed everything, I did all these therapies on him. I touch his foot, it doesn't hurt. But he says, My foot hurts. We repeated MRIs, and everyone's telling him there's nothing wrong with his foot. And then the second I recommended like a lifestyle coach to him who got him on like a better diet, on an exercise routine, and um, you know, we both made him walk through his pain. He snapped out of it, and now his foot doesn't hurt because he's happier now, and it's just like he had something. I think he also did a little bit of neurofeedback theory, uh, therapy that's like for people with attention deficit before. Sometimes there's just synapses in your brain that don't click, and you really need to think outside the box. And that's when I love to like call upon the chiropractors and the lifestyle coaches, and uh, there's even something cool called MRI therapy, which is like reflex therapy, very interesting stuff. Um, and it's all about training the body to snap out of this pain that they're stuck in. So, yes, the foot can have a physical injury, but sometimes the pain doesn't let because something is going on in the subconscious, something is going on on a different level in the brain, and that sometimes they're so depressed about their pain that they just it doesn't release. Right? So, there's all that all those things are very connected to chronic foot pain, which is why I love my multi-fact, like multi-step approach. If the physical is there, and even after we address the physical chronic issue, like let's say if the injury is healed, if the fracture is healed, if the chronic plantar fasciitis is healed, if the chronic tendonitis is healed, but they still have pain, there's something else neurologically or subconsciously affecting them, and even health-wise, a lot of people they have injuries. Your but your body should heal almost everything naturally, naturally, but but sometimes like we live in a society that has bad nutrition, so your body cannot detoxify, you cannot heal things properly. Like you probably are a lot healthier than me. Let's say you take more vitamins, so if you sprain your ankle, you'll heal it faster than me, right? So that are those all things they play factors. That's why when I have patients with chronic issues, I address all that. I put them on vitamins, I send them to a lifestyle coach, I um tell them to decrease their carbs, I send them to a chiropractor who does specialized uh like techniques to release things from up here because a lot of times there's things that happen up here or higher up in the leg or the hip that's affecting the pain down in the foot. So that's kind of like that's why I wanted to bring this topic to the forefront because people are suffering and they're ignoring it, and they shouldn't because it could affect their health, it could affect their emotions, it could affect their psyche. And then what kind of life do you want to live? Full of pain. There's lots of things, there's just uh it's just so multifaceted. Even me, I had this tendinitis in my foot and it wouldn't go away, and I didn't know why. And um, I went to like a couple of different people who were like outside of the box than your traditional doctors, and they were like, you have chronic anxiety and stress, and because of that, I keep like tightening up one side of my body and it's compensating down there. Yep, I was like, stop it. I was like, no, no, I was like, no, first I didn't believe it, but then I did some chiropractic, I did some like changes, I did some stretches, and it made a difference. I was like, wow, and then I was like, I just I need to take care of myself, I need to take calming baths, and I need to stretch a little more and take more walks and and and be there for myself. So all these things, all there's there's all this subconscious and emotional things that are related to chronic pain anywhere in your body, but in general, foot pain number one is always shoe related and obesity related in our generation, and that's where it starts.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, Jeremy What was that?

SPEAKER_03:

What do you think? What are you thinking?

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm I'm just I'm fascinated by you're hearing a little echo. No, I think we're good now. The the psychosomatic side of this, because I notice thankfully, I don't have even as a runner, I don't really have chronic foot pain. I my feet are are sore from time to time, but I typically get more pain in my knees from the running of my lower back. But I'll I'll find myself running sometimes, and like I'm perfectly fine, and then I get close to the end and I feel like I want to stop, and then all of a sudden I'll get like a little pain in my knee, and I start thinking in my mind, oh wow, did I am I about to hurt something? Or is this just my body trying to like hijack me to stop running? And I'm like, and then all of a sudden the next knee will the other knee will start hurting out of nowhere, and it's like, okay, it's not the knee now, it's just in my head. But there is a fine line between having a full bone injury and actually just having something going on in your mind. So when when a patient does show up in your office that's experiencing this experiencing this kind of pain, like take take us through somebody's out there, let's say I have chronic chronic foot pain. Um, I I pop into your office. What is that process? What is the evaluation process look like? Like walk us through what we're to expect when we come in the office with this issue.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So so let's say someone comes in with foot pain, they've had it for a year, and they've gone to doctors, tried this, tried that, doesn't go away. So my first approach is always to take the x-ray because you want to take a look at the bones. I don't just check for a fracture or something like that. I actually look at the shape of the patient's foot. Because the shape of the foot tells a lot about how they walk, okay? And if and the thing about shoes today, I will say this shoes today are made for foot size and not for foot type. You have people with high arches, low arches. Back in the day, 100 years ago, all the shoes were custom made to your foot.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, a cobbler made the shoes exactly. Now you have where have all where have all the cobblers gone? We need more cobblers.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, I'm a size 11, but no shoe is ever wide enough for my foot, you know. I have a wide foot, I have to keep looking, and I found my preferred brands, but they never really fit. Like always, my toe like rubs a little, you know what I mean? So it's just like the shoes today are knock-ups. So so I take when I take the x-ray, I take 100%, I take a look at the shape of the foot. Because the shape of the foot does and the shape of the foot pair it with the wrong shoe will affect their pain. That's number one. And then when I don't see anything significant on the x-ray, I have an ultrasound machine in my office, and I take a look with the area of pain, I check for a swollen nerve or torn joint, um, a torn ligament, uh uh, I check for a strain on their uh on their tendon, something like that. So I I like to see if there's an actual injury. Just the other day, I had a patient, she's like, I have pain on the top of my foot for a year, and she went to this doctor and that doctor, and they couldn't help her. Second I did the ultrasound, I was like, Oh, here, you have a partial tear of your tendon. You need to go into a boot for six weeks. So sometimes chronic pain can like this person just didn't get the right imaging to figure out what was causing her pain. So now that we know what was causing her pain, she's going to immobilize her foot and her tendon should heal itself and put itself back together. If it doesn't, we get an MRI, and hopefully she doesn't need surgery to stitch up the tendon, but she'll be okay. But it's just like different things like that. And it could be so easy to fix if the patients just come in, and if they don't fix it, then they can tear, then they need surgery. Okay. There's also another aspect of chronic foot pain, I would say, like people with neuropathy or arthritis, that pain never goes away. And some people just don't want to deal with it, they pop percocets and pills and vicodins and gabapenthins. Oh, not good, right? So, like, for example, one of my biggest like qualms with neurology, right? So, if someone has neuropathy, which is very painful, their legs are burning and tingling, that is a chronic condition. It is related to the nutrition of the nerve. The nerve needs to wake up. My multifaceted approach is to nourish the nerve, wake it up, wake it up with a laser, wake it up with electric stimulation, like a tens unit, buzz the crap out of the nerve, right? Wake it up, start walking, okay? Take a vitamin to help nourish the nerve. But then they go to neurologists, neurologists put them on cymbalta, which is an antidepressant that actually helps with nerve pain, or they put them on gavapentin, or lyrica. Lyrica is also an antidepressant that helps with nerve pain. I'm not saying these things don't help, they just don't fix the root cause of the issue. And these patients, their issues get more and more chronic. Same thing with arthritis. They go to a rheumatologist. Okay, you have rheumatoid arthritis. Not saying they shouldn't be on medications, but or someone just has like a wear and tear arthritis. They use the asper cream for their hands, and they go on these anti-inflammatories like diclofenac and maloxicam for years, and then they destroy their stomachs, right?

SPEAKER_01:

So one problem for another, and don't eat, and you don't even fix the underlying problem in the first place.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So there's like there's so much more, and a lot of these chronic issues like neuropathy and arthritis are related to health as well. You know, obviously, when someone has arthritis, I tell them, don't eat dairy, don't eat gluten. It's gonna make your arthritis more, you're gonna inflame more. And there's studies about it. You know, that's when I pair them up with a lifestyle coach. Hey, you need to go on some vitamins and change your nutrition a little bit. Diabetics too, diabetic neuropathy. You need uh foods that are more rich in B vitamins, you need to cut the potatoes, you need to cut the carbs. It's my five, I tell my patients, the diabetic patients, stay away from the four W's. No white rice, no white potato, no white pasta, and no white bread.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, come on, that's not tough, right?

SPEAKER_03:

It sucks to live. But and that that goes back to nutrition and how like our food is devoid of nutrients, which is why our but our DNI, our DNA cannot repair itself. So that's why these chronic issues really need to be addressed from all parts of the spectrum. Yep, and just give it a pill and ignore it. You should treat the root cause of the issue.

SPEAKER_01:

I talk about it time and time and time again, how we live in this instant gratification, quick fist, quick fix, high-paced society where you know everybody is just looking for the magic pill, right? The one thing you could do, the one trick, the one social media video that you see that solves it all. And and the hard conversation to have is the conversation about overall prevention, right? How do we prevent these problems from happening in the first place? Well, it goes back to the things that we all struggle with doing, building daily habits and routines and exercise and diet and mental wellness, and you know, for me, meditation, journaling, all these different things play into living a happy, productive lifestyle.

SPEAKER_03:

Where I'm not great at this, but it really all boils down to taking care of yourself and putting time aside for yourself. I had a patient yesterday, I haven't seen her for a year, and she says, I did everything you said, but because on the week on the weekends, I do laundry, I clean the house, I this, that's when my foot hurts. And I can't do anything about it. I have to take care of the house. And I'm like, you need to take care of yourself. Tell your husband to get a cleaning lady and tell her to do the laundry and the dishes because your planar fasciitis has now become chronic because you are not doing anything that I asked you. Like, she just she came in for pills, she asked me for pills, and I'm like, listen, I'll give it to you, it'll help, but you really need to go back to stretching, you got to go back to orthotics, or else you're gonna you're gonna end up having surgery.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, yeah. She'll take the she'll use the pills to numb the pain when she's doing the work around the house. The whole time that's happening, she's inflaming the area more, and then it'll get to the point where the pills don't even work anymore, and your issue.

SPEAKER_03:

I said, please go to physical therapy, take care of yourself. I had another patient, nice lady, I think she's like the wife of a rabbi or something like that, and the rabbi always has like a million guests in his house or whatever, and she had this really bad chronic Achilles tendinitis, and I tried everything on her because she didn't have time to take care of herself. And then I looked at her and I was like, listen, go to physical therapy. And then when she finally went to physical therapy and she took care of the root cause of the issues of how tight she is and all that kind of stuff, her Achilles tendon finally calmed down, and she even sent me like a message. She got my phone number from someone, and like she sent me like this amazing message on how thankful she was. She just had to stop worrying about the kids and worrying about her husband and all their guests all the time, and just focus on herself, just treat the root cause of the issue, treat you know, do the therapy, do the icing, uh, get a massage, uh, take the right vitamins.

SPEAKER_01:

Now you're speaking my language.

SPEAKER_03:

Cook yourself a healthy meal, and and your body will will like love you and thank you for it. It's very it's simple, it's hard, but that's the thing. You know, we live in this uh instant uh gratification society, and everybody wants things fast and fast. Fix it now. Uh, just like I told this guy, I was like, hey, you have a tear in your plantar fascia, your body should heal it, but it's gonna take about six, seven, six, seven weeks. And I said, But if you want to speed it up, we could give you one of the you could try the laser and you know one of my stem cell injections, but but that's that's what people want. People don't rely on their bodies anymore to do what they're supposed to do because nobody has time. I had a patient with like a complete tear of his Achilles, it was like hanging on a thread, and he's like, I'm sorry, I I I sell cars, I need to go to work. And I was like, fine, go to work in your boot, just keep your boot on. And he paid me, he gave me all the money to use all my stuff that makes him heal fast, and he healed faster than most people, which was pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_01:

But he's motivated, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't care about the money, I just care about getting these patients better. It just takes time and nobody has patience. Like that's why, and that's why they end up in this with these chronic issues. You just have to you gotta address the nutrition, you gotta address um your lifestyle, you gotta address the pain. You even have to address your cortisol levels. Like a lot of times, like I have a patient who he's actually he's getting laser therapy right now. I'm gonna go see him after this podcast. And he says he's has sleep apnea, so that means he never sleeps, and his cortisol levels are always up, right? So, how can your body repair itself? How can your go back to normal if you don't sleep? You gotta get some sleep. Yeah, you know, so it's all related. There are ways, you know, good way to get your cortisol down is take a walk in the morning with the sun, or get at least seven hours of sleep. And amazingly enough, our body will do amazing things and it'll start to repair itself with the right nourishment, the right mindset. And that will really, like all of that together will get you out of the out of the chronic pain.

SPEAKER_01:

So I wanted to touch on that briefly before we wrap up. Aside from the overall diet and the overall exercise, what are some things additionally that we could do to prevent foot issues? Like, I I've heard that it's a good thing if you're on your feet all the time when you come home, like soak your feet in Epsom salts or whatever, or um, maybe stretches specifically for the feet, like at the end of the day, sit at the end of your bed and rotate your feet around. Uh obviously getting out and just walking, like forget about running, just getting outside and walking, things like that. Like, what in addition to that, what else are some things that you can do at home? Some simple home remedies that that aren't too tedious, right? It's not hard to fill up a bucket of water and put some salt in there and soak your feet in it.

SPEAKER_03:

In fact, it's it's pretty not only should you try an Epsom salt uh soak for your feet, you could also do an Epsom salt back uh bath for your body.

SPEAKER_01:

The full body, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

If you do a full Epsom salt bath for your body, um, and even add a little baking soda, that stuff is amazing. Like it really helps relax your muscles. People take baking soda for granted, okay? But it really does help with relaxing, it's a muscle relaxant and things like that. Uh Epsom salt soap for your foot. Um, calluses people have a lot of dry skin, and uh, when the calluses get too thick, it inflames the tissue of the foot. So moisturizing your feet daily is important. Stretching, um, just doing some calf stretches, just taking an exercise band or a belt and leaving it by your nightstand, and then just doing like these uh calf stretches like that, and just holding the calf string and the calf up, that helps a lot because if you stretch out your calf um and your quads, it takes a lot of pressure off your foot. Because we we're sit, we've been sitting already for 27 minutes here, and everything's tight. So we sit so much in our cars and in our offices, we just had to stretch our calf, brush our stretch our quads, and just do some light stretching at home, and it even helped it helps a lot. I I stretch my calf when I brush my teeth, it's the only way I can get it into my routine.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I've been stretching uh a lot lately. I I have um I'm dealing with some sciatica from my last my last running running bout. I snapped something and I've been struggling for like three weeks now, and it's it's it's been been pretty tough, but it's getting better. I'm almost out of the woods. Uh, and and let me just tell you, I don't take baking soda for granted. It that baking soda helps me make some incredible pancakes. I'll have you know. Yes, very true.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, just the TLC. Um, another thing, uh, you can get go on eBay or Amazon and get for like 30 bucks one of those tens units and just put it where it hurts.

SPEAKER_01:

What is it? Tens units? What is this?

SPEAKER_03:

E-N-S tens unit, like an electric stimulator. Okay, the Japanese they created those little sticky pads with the that's where it started. And they use it a lot of physical therapy. If you have a home unit, it helps a lot. It's just about taking care of yourself. Like I have a neck massage, like a like a neck uh thing, I have it right by my bed. I just do it every night, and I don't have a stiff neck in the morning. It's great. So it's just about like trying to incorporate something soaking, massaging, moisturizing, stretching, those are the top things that you can do to prevent foot pain in general.

SPEAKER_01:

Absolutely. So you hear that, everyone. Take care of yourself, right? We only got this one life to live. Let's live it to the fullest. Yeah.

unknown:

Cool.

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