87 - Loving God With All Your Heart

When faith feels routine, what brings it back to life? In this episode, we return to Jesus’ greatest command—loving God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength (Mark 12:29–30) —not as a slogan, but as a daily pattern you can actually practice. Using Daniel’s story as our guide, we explore what whole-person devotion looks like when faith is tested, truth is challenged, and obedience is costly. If your faith has started to feel more routine than personal, this conversation is an invitation to refocus, recommit, and strengthen your love for God in every part of life. 

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SPEAKER_00 0:05

Welcome to the Exhorter Podcast, where it is our aim to stir up love and good works through bite-sized biblical conversation discussion. John, over to you. What are we doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:19

Yeah, so uh thanks for coming back and listening to us. Uh I hit the topic today, and I just want to kind of throw out a couple questions here. But you know, the first one is uh do you ever find yourself going through the motions, doing the right thing, but wondering if it's uh, you know, what's really holding it all together? And I thought about this because uh lately we've been in a lot of thinking about what it means to love God, uh, not just believe in him, uh, not just know doctrine, but truly love him. And started because I wanted to begin like a home Bible study with kids, and I was convicted by previous conversations we've had with other preachers and stuff about just focusing on a foundation of getting them to love God first before you start talking about like doctrine and all the rules and stuff. Have them have a genuine love for God. Um, that love will carry them through storms of life when people uh let them down and when uh life, their faith is challenged, right? And so developing that strong love for God. And um, honestly, in that process, I found myself kind of really excited to reignite my own love for God, you know, just kind of get back to that because I think we think of it as a foundation, as a byproduct, but uh I wanted to kind of look back at that. So um I obviously in this process, I looked at Mark 12, and specifically Mark 12, verse 29 through 30, and you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and all your mind, with all your strength. Jesus is quoting the Shema from Deuteronomy 6, the verse 5. He's not adding a new idea, he's just reaffirming the core uh of true faith. What are your initial reactions and thoughts of this passage? Because I kind of want to break in and talk about this passage specifically, and so I just want to start with your guys' thoughts about it.

SPEAKER_02 2:03

When I think about this passage, I think about um relationships that uh life and Christianity um are 100% about relationships. Because the thing that comes right after this is you shall love your neighbor as yourself. Right. And so it's how I relate to God. How do I relate to him? I love him with everything I have. And how do I relate to my neighbor? I love them like I love myself, right? Um, and that is how that is relationships. How am I relating to others?

Daniel As A Model Of Devotion

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I think in terms of how interconnected they are, that it's not like two very different commandments that are just equally important. I see them as overlapping to the point where well, first John chapter 4 says, if someone says, I love God and hates his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen? And we're all made in God's image. So I also think about that, and so to love God with all our heart, soul, strength, mind, I think it's evident in the way we treat those made in his image and those who are the object of his love. Another way I relate to this is my my wife is a stupid poodle. And she loves that dog, so therefore I love that dog. He is a big nuisance, he's eaten things and we've had to pay to have him cut open and have socks pulled out of his stomach, and he's been expensive, and he barks at night and things like that. There's things I do like about him. Uh but she loves that stupid poodle. So I love that stupid poodle. And so, you know, sometimes God loves people that just God loves this stupid person. I love that stupid person too. But but you do you see the point I'm making though, that if I say I love God, then just like I love my wife, so I have to love some of the things she loves too. And and so if I love God, then by necessity, that's evident in the way that I show love for the the object of his love.

Heart: Desire And Priority

SPEAKER_01 4:26

Yeah, and other people. Yeah, the word there for love, since there are lots of different words for love in the Bible, uh, the word Jesus uses here for love is not the emotional affection, but it's the chosen obedient devotion. So he's describing one complete love, uh, but I want to break it down and practically look at what loving him with my heart, soul, mind, and strength actually means. And I think a good example of this would be Daniel. And Daniel is a good example for lots of um uh lots of analogies and lots of stories, but specifically his love for God and his devotion there. So Daniel's life shows us what this looks like when belief is pressured and obedience costs something. Daniel was taken from his home as a young man and brought into Babylon. The culture did not worship uh his God and actively tried to reshape his identity as he went through it. So let's look at the heart. So, what Daniel desired is kind of how I would frame that. And uh, before Daniel ever faced public pressure, scripture tells us he had an internal struggle. And it says in Daniel 1, verse 8, but Daniel resolved that he would not defile himself with the king's food or with the wine that he drank. The word resolved matters because Daniel did not wait to see how hard obedience would be. He decided what he wanted first. So I would define from this that loving God with all your heart means God is not one option among many, he is the supreme desire. And we see that in Matthew 6, 21, for where your treasure is, your heart will be also. Does that make sense? And what does this look like in uh everyday life for us?

SPEAKER_02 6:08

When if we uh love God with all our heart, I wrote the word emotion next to heart because when I um look at these four uh nouns here: heart, soul, mind, strength, um the heart is the seat of the emotions. Um, or at least that's what I think it is. And so it's that it's that feeling. Like I I feel gratitude, I feel love towards God. So when I think of heart, I I think of the emotional aspect of us being totally committed to him and and having loving feelings towards him.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

Yeah, and I think that that works with the desire that I was looking at it from desire is to what you truly seek after, what you truly want, yeah, um, and thus the priorities in which you put things in life, right? Um, if it's something I desire, it's something I'm gonna put supreme above all, it's gonna be first foremost. Yeah. I think Daniel did that with Jesus. And so I'm just gonna go through each one of these words, and I'd like to look at like what does it look like in our everyday life, or what are some ways we can increase this? So obviously, putting your priorities in God will focus your desires and not get you distracted with earthly desires. What's some good ways that we can focus our heart on God and desire Him more?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

So Psalm 37.4 says, delight yourself in the Lord and He will give you the desires of your heart. I do not think that that means that um if you delight yourself in the Lord, he will give you everything you want. I don't think that's what that's saying. I think what that is saying is if you delight yourself in the Lord, he is going to place within your heart the things to desire. Um and so um if we delight ourselves in the Lord, what does that mean? I don't know. Think about him, pray, pray to him, um dwell on the good blessings and things that he has given to your in your life and and look at the wonderful things that he has done. And when you do that, you will start to want the same things that God wants. Yeah. And he will place those desires within your heart.

Soul: Identity And Loyalty

SPEAKER_01 8:18

And sometimes we conflate, I think, um, like emotional love or attraction with like not having a choice in it. But I think this kind of love as a devotion is 100% choice. It's deciding that you're going to love God. And so I think making that choice and making that determination, and that's where my that's where I'm placing my treasure. I think that it will then have the effects of loving God more. As I look at and read Matthew 6, 21, where it's where your treasure is, your heart will be there also. I think that that's that's kind of like the like the byproduct of focusing and loving God more. But what what will that look like is just showing up on Sunday and just kind of focusing and and dedicating the time to God and praying to him more often? Do we see that?

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Where can we see increasing our loving him loving him with your heart is it means you don't just prioritize uh times of worship or church attendance or saying prayers, but it is he is the priority in your life? Everything, uh every every passion, every hobby, every every thing in your life is subservient to that one priority.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

So if there's a conflict between two things, it's gonna it's always gonna rest and reside with with him. Um does that mean all of our other desires in life focus in on how it supports our main desire for God? Does it change who we spend our time with? Does it change what we spend our time doing? Does it change um the things that we watch and the things that we listen to? And that like does it reverberate in all all of our other choices?

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Theoretically, yes. I mean it should, right? Yeah. It it should. If if he is everything to us, then um everything in our life should revolve around him. Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord.

SPEAKER_01 10:21

Um obviously it's hard to to to make your to make the connection between watching a football game or something. But I I think that um given the choice between the two, I think that that's where you're gonna You're gonna go. Okay, so let's let's move on to soul. So years later, Daniel's faith was tested publicly uh in Daniel 6, 7. What what whatever makes petition to any god or man for thirty days except you, O king, shall be cast into the lion's den. And so Daniel responds to this and tells us who he belongs to. When Daniel knew that the document had been signed, he went to his house, he got down on his knees three times a day and prayed, as he had done previously. So Daniel didn't adjust his loyalty when faith became dangerous. His identity wasn't uh rooted in Babylon at that time, it was rooted in God. And so, in this sense, loving God with your soul, that means your identity and your loyalty belong to him, even when obedience threatens comfort or safety in this life. Psalm 63, verse 1 says, Oh God, you are my God earnestly, I seek you. My soul thirsts for you. And your soul is the core identity and how you see yourself as a Christian. Loving God means you've changed. You are no longer yours, you are a part of Him, and you would be emulating Him in all that you do. Like the soul I think of as is to your core.

SPEAKER_02 11:55

Yeah. Um who you are, your identity.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

Yeah, and who you think you are and how you've changed.

Mind: Wisdom Anchored In Scripture

SPEAKER_02 12:02

I think the uh New Testament word for soul, the Greek word for soul, suke, P-S-U-K-E, um, is is the root of the word um psychology. I could be wrong on some of the details of that, but I'm pretty sure that that's where we get the word psyche from, right? Soul. Who are you? Like we associate psychology with a a person, you know, who they are, and your soul is who you are.

SPEAKER_00 12:25

So I I think when we look at you you mentioned the Greek, but Jesus is quoting something in Hebrew, and in fact, that is an interesting distinction there, is it appears that Jesus is quoting from the Septuagint, a Greek translation of the Hebrew text. And if you compare it to your Old Testament, if you go back to Deuteronomy 6, you notice that there it just it it does not Is it Ruach? It's not exactly the same uh list of descriptions there. It seems like the Septuagint expanded it a little bit and made some distinctions that maybe aren't there in Hebrew. So, like in Deuteronomy 6, you know, in your Old Testament, it'll say, Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with your soul, and with your strength. The Septuagint adds, and your mind. Yeah. I think that the idea of soul and mind are a little more encompassing where we think of soul, we often think in terms of the Greek concept uh from the New Testament, but we need to remember this this is from an older principle in the Old Testament and soul. As we use the word soul in the Hebrew language, it often like an example would be Psalm 103, verse 1 bless the Lord, O my soul, and all that is within me bless his holy name, or like the ESV says, um yeah, so all that is within me. It's it's kind of a all of who I am, yeah, inside and out, just my entire being. So it's it's a and I think that combines the idea of soul and mind, and I think the Septuagint just sort of divided those two. So I'm not saying the Septuagint is wrong, I'm just showing that that maybe that leads us in one thought of direction, but when we look at the old testament, I think it's so this speaks of the sum totality of yeah, our commitment to God, that it's again, he's not just a priority among many.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

Yeah. And and I think he's the priority. Okay, you're conflating those two. I think making the distinction with mind, like I have a thought. We'll we'll we'll jump into mind here of how that might be different than identity, because I think it's close, it could be close to the action part two. But I think today we have a different, we have a thought about what mind is, yeah, and basically our thinking.

SPEAKER_00 14:43

But I identity is huge because that was what kept Daniel on track in in Daniel chapter one. You know, I'm not gonna eat the food that the king because I'm a Hebrew, yeah, and we don't eat that stuff. So you want me to eat things I'm not supposed to eat, because his identity was I am Yahweh's. And so I think identity is huge, and that's that's what keeps us or should keep us committed to God, is that knowledge that he died for me, he paid the price to purchase my redemption. I have been redeemed from slavery of sin to death, but that makes me a slave of his to righteousness, leading to everlasting life. But I am his. That's my identity. I don't have the right to make this choice that's contradictory to his will. I don't have the right because I belong to him. So identity, I think, is a huge factor in this. Uh, it's just about knowing who you are and knowing what God has done to purchase your redemption.

Strength: Obedience And Effort

SPEAKER_02 15:44

As we're going through each of these, I kind of get the if I could use the analogy of like a dice, like we we imagine that you're a cube and that this cube has different aspects to it, right? But no matter which side you're looking at, you're still looking at that same cube, right? And the point that um is being made here is you shall love God with every aspect of who you are. Whether we're looking at the side that is the heart, or the side that is the soul, or the side that is the mind, or the side that is the might or the strength. Like you're still looking at that cube, right? It's just a different side of it. The point being that all of who you are is devoted to him.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Except for a cube has six sizes, but you know, we're close. We're there.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

In the fourth dimension, it has four.

SPEAKER_01 16:31

Actually, would that be that would be uh a pyramid? A pyramid.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

A pyramid has four sides. Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

Oh if it's a if it's a diamond, if it's a diamond, isn't it? Was that a diamond?

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Oh, just three sides, four sides.

SPEAKER_01 16:45

Um and I saw I was thinking of four-sided die from D D. But um sorry, those are anyways. No, I'm sorry. But it's interesting to think about this identity idea because these days when we think about identity, people think of and bring up their focus of their nationality, their race, their uh political leanings, uh, a lot of different things. And so, how often do you consider your identity being follower of Christ in in being God's what's the priority we place on all those other identities of I'm a Republican or I am this, you know, and some of those things can kind of rise to the top. And I think we look at identity, you know, differently these days. We we place a lot of value on those things. Uh, let's get into mind. So this is how uh Daniel thought the loving God with uh the mind isn't about being intelligent or well educated, it's about where your thinking is anchored. In Daniel 1, verse 17, it says, as for four youths, God gave them learning and a skill in all literature and wisdom, and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams. So Daniel's wisdom didn't come from Babylon, it came from God. Even while learning a foreign culture, Daniel's understanding was shaped by God's truth, not just cultural pressure. Uh, he consistently pointed back to God as a source for truth and understanding. In chapter 2, verse 27 through 28, he says, No wise men, enchanters, magicians, or astrologers can show to the king the mystery, but there is a God in heaven who reveals mysteries. Uh, so loving God with mind to me here means submitting your thoughts to scripture and valuing truth. It means your thoughts are shaped by God's word, especially when the world offers easier answers. So it's it's the way we think about the world. And we're we're basically we're using God's brain, we're using God's mind through scriptures as truth. And so it not only to your core about how who you are and your identity, but also what you believe and see as truth and how you speak to it, what you put out there in the world as far as um with your language, like we were talking about last week, about you know, godly speech and stuff too. So I I I can see how the subtugent would make the split distinction. I think we can add value to it as a as learning, but this could easily be your soul and your entire identity as well.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Yeah, I I think about the mind, I think about um logic, intelligence, um, wisdom, like discerning between two things, identifying um different characteristics of different issues. Um and uh I look at the mind uh less uh less emotionally, more just logically, and that we should love God with our with our thinking. The way that we think about should be shaped in a godly way. Like like you were saying, you know, Daniel was was shaped by God's wisdom. Our thinking should be shaped by God's wisdom as well. How can we use our minds to to make godly decisions?

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Yeah. But see, as an educator, you can see the the focus in in the world of intelligence and learning being the focus of you know, secular learning and increasing in knowledge and wisdom through through those things. Yeah. So how do we increase in this? Other than just, I mean, obviously, the answer is read your Bible more, but uh, what are some ways we can increase in this love for God through our mind? Is it just is it just reading the Bible? Is it not focusing on secular learnings and wisdom as a value or a priority? How do we increase more in a love of God through our mind?

The Hardest Part To Live Out

SPEAKER_02 20:37

Well, I think some of that takes meditating upon what God says. When you go to the Proverbs, you can pull out a ton of wisdom that is just logical about making decisions in life. Um, doesn't have a whole lot to do with um like loving God emotionally or necessarily always who you are as a person. It's just like here is a wise truth. The ants don't have a leader, and yet they go and they do a bunch of work and they get it all done. You know, they work hard. So that is a wise truth that and so like if you study the proverbs and think about those things and and look at life and how you can apply that to different situations in life, you're increasing your mind, your your mental capacities.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

So it's just it's seeing God's word as the truth and as the source of all the knowledge we need to know. All the knowledge we need to know, not all the knowledge we can know. Can know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Uh okay, let's go with strength then. So, strength, this is this is probably one of the easier things to understand here. And that's what Daniel did. Daniel's love for God uh wasn't hidden, it showed up in action. So in Daniel 6 16, it says, May your God whom you serve continually deliver you. Daniel's habits, prayer, obedience, faithfulness, uh, were evident and revealed uh what he loved. Daniel 6 23 said, Because he had trusted in his God. So that's loving God with strength. It's obedience lived out, even When it costs something. So loving God with all your strength means uh devotion in action. This is the obedience, not just what we believe, but actually, you know, what we're gonna do with it in its in its action.

SPEAKER_00 22:13

I I would also think of this in terms of material um resources. You know, I'm gonna hold nothing back um from serving him. Uh whether it's whether it's sacrificing uh financial resources to care for other people, or like in the Old Testament, they would pay their tithes, they would which was a big problem at uh when God would have to send the prophets to rebuke them, as they would stop paying their tithes, so the priests would stop being supported, so the temple and all the sacrifices and the worship would be shut down, and because they they would look at their resources as something that was theirs to hold on to and God says, No, I want the first fruits, saying, Trust me, give give me the first, don't be selfish and take it for yourself. Give me the first and trust me that I will sustain you. That's what God wanted. So if we're gonna love him with all our strength, it means really everything I possess, both my physical strength, but also I think just all of my possessions belong to him.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Well, that makes sense because the key factor there is time. You know, we only have so much time, and time is what one accumulates wealth, accumulates material things, but it's also it's the beholder of what our action and what we do with the time. You know, it's it's the limiting factor there. So I think that's that's pretty uh connected.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

I love definitions. I'm gonna look up the definition of the word strength because I don't think that I've ever looked up that um definition in the passage Mark 12. And before I do, uh, when I think about strength, I th I think about weightlifting, like strength training, right? How do you build strength? You face resistance. Strength doesn't matter when you're sitting on your lazy boy chair watching TV, right? Strength is is it literally it doesn't matter. It matters when you face some sort of resistance. And so when we see that phrase, love the Lord your God with all your strength, I think about that in when when you face battles, you are battling for God. Don't don't quit. Be strong. You've got resistance to face, face it and and rely on God. Love Him in that challenge, and it and you'll get through that challenge.

SPEAKER_01 24:26

So maybe a good word would be effort, because you know that is that literally what you wrote down, energy. Effort slash energy. I think I think that that's a good word for this too, is what you do to uh counter that resistance, what you do to fight for God, whether it's whether it's your own self you are fighting against, you know, um your laziness or your your this or that, but uh also just the effort in which it uh what you're gonna use with your time.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Well, I think of some of Jesus' instructions or some of the apostles' warnings, like first John chapter 2, he says, Whoever says, I know him, but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. But if anyone obeys his word, love for God is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him. Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. So to hold back your possessions or any devotion to him, uh, or as Jesus said in John 14, verse 15, if you love me, you will keep my commandments. Well, if we fail to keep his commandments, it's probably because we're holding something back from him, keeping something for ourselves, whether it's internal or external. I think that's why Jesus could could make such demands of us.

SPEAKER_02 25:41

Force to overcome resistance. The Greek word is force to overcome resistance. Love him with all of our force in the face of it actually says immediate resistance.

SPEAKER_01 25:57

And I think that could be helpful as we kind of beginning of the year and we sort of focus on things that we want to change and do differently. And I think this is a help in thinking about what we want to prioritize, what has the most value in our life to keep and to not remove from our life is thinking about the things that show your love for God. And one of those things is is your time and your effort where you spend your time thinking about God and how you value that too. So I think that the things that you are doing for the kingdom, things that you're doing for God out of love for Him and a dedication towards Him in your soul, I think that's important. Well, we get down to here, and I'd like for the audience to think about this too, but maybe if you guys have any ideas to chime in on the what areas do you feel like is the hardest heart, soul, mind strength, or most neglected today? Like which which is the easiest to neglect or the ones that we have the hardest to uh to show God's love in?

SPEAKER_00 26:56

I'd say the heart is it's it's easy to maybe not fully commit, so I'd say all of them, but in particular the heart. Yeah, it might be easy to give the appearance of submission in an external way. Um, but I think it's all too easy to prioritize God. But if he's not the thing that you cherish and pursue and desire above all else, then it just doesn't matter how faithful your attendance record is on Sundays or how much money you give.

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Which is the building block, right? Because if you don't have the heart there, are you really gonna have the action? You know, it has to start from somewhere. And I think that would be that's probably why it's the cot the most costly one or the one that we lack the most, is because if you don't have that as your priority, it's gonna be easy to not show God love in the other ways. Uh, how does defining love as devotion change how we live? A lot of times maybe people you think of love as an emotion, but if we were to to flip it and kind of more focus on yeah, our heart and the devotion to God, how does that how might that change the way we live? What does that look like when you have devotion, more focused devotion?

SPEAKER_02 28:10

Emotions are fickle and changing, and devotion is is commitment. It is not you've made a commitment, regardless of how you feel, regardless of your emotions, you are going to do that thing. And so I think that uh that is a more powerful, I think that is more powerful. Um, the the commitment as opposed to the emotion.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Well, you think about that with Daniel is it allowed him to persevere. Um the devotion even during the struggle. It's like Job, you know. And even when someone doesn't understand why they're going through what they're going through, um, devotion keeps you focused on him until that's revealed. So think about this for yourself. Which of these areas needs most attention right now in your own life? Um, maybe where has love drifted into a routine? And um, you know, I think it's just really important to focus and kind of reaffirm every every so often um what your foundation is in your walk with Christ. And uh hopefully that is your love for God, because with a strong foundation love for God, it'll be that much easier to obey, focus and put Him first and with storms of life.

SPEAKER_02 29:27

John, thank you for bringing this topic to us today. This is um the core of our faith. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, and strength, and love your neighbor as yourself. Um, so really appreciate you, especially bringing to us the different aspects of that love with our heart, our our emotions, our desires, with our soul, our will and our identity, with our mind, our wisdom, our choosing, and then with our strength, our effort, our energy, our life force, um, devoting all of those 100% to God. So this year, consider as you um perhaps you've already made some New Year's resolutions, um, or perhaps you are going to make some uh of those. Consider what it would look like to love God with every aspect of your life this year. Also, like, subscribe, and share. If this episode has been valuable for you, we'd love it if you'd spread the good word and like, subscribe, and share.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Reaffirm your love for God.

SPEAKER_02 30:30

Reaffirm your love for God and for the Exorder Podcast on a lesser scale.

SPEAKER_01 30:35

Well, I'm gonna tell my wife that I'm I'm kind of tapped out. Okay. I've already loved God with my heart, soul, mind, and I don't have enough strength. I don't know if I have enough to do the dishes. I think I need to prioritize God right now. And uh maybe that doesn't make me a good husband, but I'm gonna go pray about it.

SPEAKER_02 30:58

Oh, okay. Alright. I gotta do the welcome twice in a row? Are we not recording or are we having a recording? Oh, it's your turn, Kyle? Okay. I won't interrupt. That was a lie.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Let me know when we're ready to record. Are we good for recording? That was a lie. I plan on interrupting. Okay. Discussion.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

You should be a radio announcer. That was very radio-esque. Um I have a Facebook radio. Have you ever seen uh Daddy's Home? No. 103.1 The Panda. Have you really not seen that movie? No. Oh dude, that's worse than Top Gun. You gotta see that.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Have you not seen it? I saw it. One in two.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

Daddy's Home?

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

Where Mark Wahlberg comes in. Yeah. And and in one day, he becomes the voice of the radio station that Will Farrell manages. Yeah, funny. Yeah, okay. You have a good voice.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

I don't remember that one.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

So, John, sorry. I told you I was gonna interrupt. What um he introduced. Oh, well, take it over, Nate. You kind of took it over. Oh, my bad.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Kyle, back to you. John! Over to you. What are we doing? Okay, yeah, so uh thanks for coming back and listening to us. Uh, I had the topic today again.