Navigating Conflict in a Chaotic World with Dara Tomasson

In this engaging conversation, Andi and our guest Dara Tomasson explore the complexities of navigating conflict, overcoming self-sabotage, and finding joy in business. They discuss the importance of emotional resilience, the impact of imposter syndrome, and the necessity of taking control of one's reactions in a chaotic world. Dara shares her insights on personal growth, the creative process, and the significance of community support in achieving success. The discussion emphasizes the need for continuous evolution and the power of choice in shaping one's path.

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Chapters
00:00 Navigating Conflict and Emotional Resilience
14:41 Overcoming Imposter Syndrome and Self-Sabotage
26:14 Finding Joy and Purpose in Business
36:06 Embracing Growth and Learning from Setbacks

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Transcript

Andi (01:04)
Welcome to another episode of Quilting on the Side. And before we get into our chat with our favorite repeat guest, Dara, I do need to explain that Tori is not with us on this recording. She had a conflict with a class she is taking. So we can't wait to have her back and hear from her all the nuggets of gold that she's learning about digital marketing.

So we miss Tori, but I'm very glad to have my friend Dara, the life coach for quilters ⁓ back with us. And Dara, give a quick introduction. You do that best.

Dara Tomasson (01:43)
Yeah, okay. So of course, I'm Dara Thomason and I am a professional quilter. So I started quilting for people, teaching quilting and my expertise is free motion quilting. And so I have a few books that I've written about how to build foundation on that really finding your own voice.

And ⁓ as I was teaching quilting and doing all of that, I had a life coach myself. And through the work I did with her, my business ⁓ really expanded, but mostly my body started to get smaller because I wasn't buffering like I used to. And I was able to work through all of those emotional attachments that we have with food. And I was going through perimenopause at the time and I...

I actually thought that perimenopause was like a death sentence for weight loss. And so when I started working through all these emotions, I was really surprised with how different I was treating myself and how I was using food. ⁓ Also how I was sleeping. I used to quilt. I have five kids. So I would start quilting at nine at night and I would quilt till three or four in the morning, like five or six nights a week. It was crazy. ⁓

And so I had to work a lot on my perfectionism and really what was going on and learning how to face the issues and not avoid them through working, through under sleeping, through needing to get everyone else's approval. So it's been this incredible journey. And now fast forward, I've been a certified life coaching, like life coach since 2020, worked with so many different women on

all sorts of things, marriages, having a better ⁓ self-image, losing physical weight because they've been learning how to work through all that heavy mental weight. And it's just been incredible to watch what's happening in the lives of those who I work with.

Andi (03:54)
Yeah, and full disclaimer, I joined your program, I had the weight loss, and I'm loving all of the continued life coach because you have very generously made this a lifetime membership model, and it's great to have that community and those tools to connect. we'll give some.

Dara Tomasson (04:15)
Well,

this is one of the things actually today I said, a lot of times we treat ourselves like a dinner where it's like the chicken, you have to cook it at a certain temperature and then it's done. The potatoes, like they're all, like we all know that that's complete. It's finished, right? But life is not like a cooked meal. It's like brushing your teeth or doing laundry. We always have to be doing it. And so we have this misconception that

like we have to arrive at this certain level. but no, life is an evolution. It's ⁓ like an amazing book series, right? We have different chapters that they can be complete and we have different ⁓ closures on things. But because we always want to be growing and developing, we need to have more support because we've never been this version of ourselves before. And so that's what growth is about. And that's why these tools.

are so helpful because they really do help us to get to that next level in growth and development. ⁓ it's just amazing to watch. It's like permission to keep growing, permission to expand and to want all the, go for all the things that we want.

Andi (05:21)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, for sure. So I mentioned that you have been our guest several times now because we talked to you, gosh, I can't even remember, maybe season two about the life coaching and business juggling and all that kind of stuff. And then we had you back in season five and it was right before the US election. And we all know that US politics

Dara Tomasson (05:44)
Mm-hmm.

Yes.

Andi (05:58)
are crazy and the two sides just battle back and forth. And we had a really interesting discussion about being able to show up and being able to choose how you show up and just validate your own feelings and whether you share or not. Don't fall for the peer pressure of jumping on the bandwagon and having to do your business just like other people that you see online.

I really appreciate that you were able to give us some of those insights. And here in January, 2026, we're in a situation with a situation in the US just exploding and heated feelings on both sides. And ⁓ please give us your ⁓ Canadian kindness and peace.

Dara Tomasson (06:34)
Yes.

Well, as soon as you were saying that, thought of a coaching ⁓ client recently, and I imagine there's two jars. And in one jar, it's like, these are the things I can control. And then these are the things I can't control. And it's actually really surprising how many things we do actually have control over. We have control over how we react.

We have control over how we speak to the person. We have control over how we think and how we process. And so when we look at the other list of things we can't control, we can't control what other people do. We can't control how that guy talks. We can't control what ICE does. Like we can't control those things. But we actually have a lot more control than what we think.

And so recently I saw a post by a fellow quilter and it was really discouraging to me because she's just promoting hate. She's promoting, you can't treat me like this. And I think, and it's almost like they're ganging up on somebody versus, hey, I respect that you are allowed to have your opinion, but this is my opinion as well.

And I can control how much power I'm going to give to that person and their opinions. And the more that we can feed the contention, the bigger it's gonna grow. And so my approach is, who do I wanna be in this world? And this takes me back to the work that Victor Frankel did. He was in the concentration camp. He wrote the book, Man's Search for Happiness, ⁓ or Meaning.

And he made that decision, either we react to something or we respond. And so a reaction is like that I'm hurt, it's like the animal that's stuck in the trap, you're trying to help them but they are clawing at you, or am I gonna respond to the situation? And so I'm not saying that this isn't a terrible, horrendous situation. But what I am saying is that we have the power to make a decision of

Who do I want to be in this? I am not going to react like to the Nazis. I'm not gonna treat people like the way that he was treated. He's like, I can actually choose how I'm gonna respond to them. And so that would be my biggest recommendation right now is one is what do I have control over? What don't I have control over? And in that, am I going to be a reactionary person or am I gonna respond? Because whatever you feed grows.

and you do get to choose what you want to do.

Andi (09:45)
Yeah, I love that. knew you would have words of wisdom for us and yes, ⁓ choosing how you respond, know, taking that breath and trying to show up as our best selves. ⁓

Dara Tomasson (09:59)
And practice.

Like there's this great song by Louis Armstrong, a pretend, right? It's like we get to, like we don't, you know, when you, before you made your first quilt, you never made a quilt before. You're like, I'm going to pretend that I'm a quilter and I'm going to like cut up this fabric and I'm going to sew it together. Like, I'm just going to pretend that I'm a quilter. And so this song is so sweet because it's like, pretend that you're this pretend. And the more that we pretend, the more we become.

And it's like, we're not being inauthentic, we're not being wrong, but we were never, like, we didn't know how to tie our shoes until we pretended to tie shoes and then we learned how to tie shoes, right? And so it's gonna be awkward and we're gonna want to, you know, maybe fight back, but this is a new skill that I am going to be a responder, not a reactor. And I'm gonna pretend that I'm doing it. And then eventually it'll just become who I am.

Andi (10:57)
Yeah, yeah, we all need practice and yeah, can. I love that, especially as you were saying, focus on the things you can control. I would add, do things that bring you joy and perhaps you need to choose a certain action that makes you feel like you are contributing to a solution to some of these big issues.

⁓ And you may come out better on the other side.

Dara Tomasson (11:32)
Well, and the thing is,

give yourself permission to be, it's it's clumsy, right? Anytime we learn anything new. So, you know, we don't actually know how to act at this time. We don't know and we can just do our best. And so when we think, I want to respond in this way on this Instagram post. And then if someone berates us or beats us up or something, you could say, oh, okay, I can see how they could take it that way. I was, I had good intentions. I wasn't like I was, um,

trying to be a mean or disrespectful. But now that you say it that way and I could see how you could take it that way. So it's like, OK, I could see how that would be a problem. I'm going to refine it or I'm going to even say, well, hey, like this is actually not how I meant it. I'm so sorry. But, you know, and live and learn. Right. Don't beat yourself up. Just welcome to being a human. You know, if there's that sign that says watch out crocodiles or something, it's like.

Don't swim, ⁓ it's so funny, it's like, just with the punctuation makes such a difference. It's like, crocodiles swim here or something, or I don't know. like how we, we don't intend to be wrong, but people can misinterpret it. And then we can, it's up to us to decide.

Andi (12:37)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dara Tomasson (12:52)
Okay, am I going to take offense to what they said or can I be humble and say, ⁓ I didn't mean it that way, but I can appreciate your having this. You interpret it that way. Okay.

Andi (13:00)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah, yeah. And while we're talking about the various things that ⁓ make it hard for business owners, such as how to show up during conflict, ⁓ sometimes we just shut down and we don't finish, which leads me into the business-focused topic I wanted to discuss with you about

how to get to that finish line because I know for me personally, and I know for a lot of business owners out there, we find ways to not push all the way through on tasks or on goals or that kind of thing. ⁓ You know, there's people that may obsess for months and months over their website when, you know, other people are like, well, just, you know, done is better than perfect. You can accept that for a quilt. So, you know,

do that for your business too. Get it the best you can and just put it out there. And I know I will get 75 % done with a project or a launch plan and then I fizzle and I don't promote it as well as I could. then there's no wondering why it didn't perform because I didn't finish.

Dara Tomasson (14:22)
Right, right. Okay, so I have a couple of thoughts. One of them is, imagine you have two boats. One boat has a captain, it has a crew, and it has a destination, it has a purpose. So let's say it's delivering a whole bunch of fabric to the supplier, right? So it's like, they're very specifically focused, they have a very specific goal, and like, would you say,

you know, 99.9 % they're gonna get to that destination, Direct. There's all sorts of problems, storms, pirates, ⁓ fuel shortages, ⁓ all sorts of things, right? But because they're so specific and so driven, they're like, we are gonna work, we have protocols to work through that. And if they have a big surprise and there's a conflict, like you wouldn't expect pirates, but.

they're actually our real pirates, right? And they're like, okay, well, we're gonna work through this. We're gonna solve this. The boiler breaks. It's like, okay, well, maybe it might take a while, but the new parts are gonna come and we're gonna finish our purpose here. Now, if you imagine another boat where it doesn't have a captain, doesn't have a specific destination, doesn't have a crew, you you turn that boat on and where is it gonna go?

Andi (15:49)
just go in circles.

Dara Tomasson (15:51)
Yeah,

go in circles, crash into other boats, maybe it'll like, you know, crash into ⁓ some land or something, like a sandbar. So I like to think about this idea of a daily accountability to ourselves. And so it's like, okay, what is it that I want to accomplish? You know, do I like my reasons? Do they feel like love?

And then we start being aware of all the potential conflicts. And recently I played this game with myself, which is not the greatest game. It's called the buffering domino game. So all of a sudden there's an emergency. I'll give my example. I feel like I need a better camera because if I had a better camera on my computer, my YouTube would be better and then more people would watch it.

So I have a camera, I don't know where it is. So next thing I know, I'm taking apart my desk drawers. That was 10 minutes. Then I'm going through all the baskets. That was probably 15 minutes. Then I'm pulling apart my cutting table and taking it all apart, because that's an emergency, right? That's really important. And so then I'm calling my son and saying, you have to help me clean my room and find my thing. And then I thought, well, maybe I'll just.

order a new one. now, so next thing I know, this is the buffering domino game. So all of a sudden, hour and 15 minutes have gone by, I have not found my camera. My YouTube channel will not be magically better because I have this new camera. And then let's not even say like the time that I could research like new cameras, right? And so this is the problem. So if we have the boat,

And we have the captain, we have the crew, they say, captain, you're distracting yourself with things that don't matter. Let's go back. And so learning how to have those pieces of accountability, whether it's your calendar, whether it's ⁓ however you organize your time, we have to put things in place of saying, okay, where am I at right now? Why did I just spend an hour and half doing that?

And instead of beating yourself up, which has been our willpower negative self-talk, we have this power, it's called compassion. Or even curiosity, that's my favorite. It's like, I wonder why I just did that. ⁓ I know because I am impatient. I want more people to, and I want to help more people. Okay, I like that reason. But, and then I have this really nice conversation with myself of,

that's interesting, you got caught in that buffering domino game, but we don't do that anymore. And I just had to feel bad, and it was like it reminds me being a teenager in math class and trying to study and feeling really bad, and then I'd go clean my closet, and then I would go make dinner, and I'd get some validation from my mom. It's like, okay, yeah, we're not doing that anymore. And that's okay, it makes sense.

Andi (19:02)
Nice, yeah, I can see how that self-reflection is so important and trying to get back, like you said, with the boat captain. Are we on track? We said this goal was important, so, you know, let's redirect and get back to our mission.

Dara Tomasson (19:23)
Yeah. So the other

problem that I see for you and all of us is you say to yourself, well, if I would have had more time or if I didn't have my husband asking me to do these things, then I could have given my full effort and then it would have been a great success.

So it is a very natural human tendency to say, if things were different, then I could have been more successful. And so that's just a different variation of not taking full responsibility for ourselves. And we didn't learn emotional resilience as kids, right? We didn't learn it. We needed to have the validation from teachers.

from parents and so when it becomes to us that the buck stops here for us, that's tricky. And so the more that we can just catch ourselves and say, ⁓ yeah, it's hard to learn new things. yeah, it's hard to feel rejected. ⁓ yeah, it's because we're very familiar with that. Well, the launch didn't go that great. ⁓ blah, blah, blah. You know, you're just like, hey everyone.

And there's that common feeling of, well, I'm glad I didn't get my hopes up too high versus, hey, I got a lot of people I need to help and I'm gonna have some conflict, we're gonna have waves, we're gonna have, we're have some storms, but I'm gonna learn how to figure that out. As long as I don't quit and I keep going, it's gonna happen.

Andi (21:09)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. ⁓ That was one of my favorite sayings from a, you know, back in one of those very popular multi-level marketing companies that went around ⁓ in the early 2000s. But, you know, we took we took some great business nuggets from that. It's always too soon to give up. You hear those stories about, you know, people

slogging through when they had to learn how to do all this stuff, you know, because I didn't go to business school. I'm still figuring it out. But it's always too soon to quit because that big, you know, overnight success story is still on the horizon. So

Dara Tomasson (21:53)
Well, and even in fairness, I mean, when I started my business in 2020, it is a very different landscape than it is then to now. Very different. So this is the other part where we can compare ourselves to our past self and say, oh, but remember when it was just this was easier and that was easier. And it's like, we need to learn how to evolve with the times.

Andi (22:03)
Mm hmm.

Dara Tomasson (22:21)
and different seasons, like I'm not able to travel, like I'm not able to go to QuiltCon this year. not able to, I haven't been able to go to Houston for two years because of choices I made as a mom and the responsibilities that I have. so learning how to talk to yourself and have that ⁓ level of communication, it's okay. And not having that judgment. Another story I would like to share.

that can be really helpful is, know, we have this, we're like a farmer who has all this land. And right now, the other part of it is we've never had such an ease of promoting a business. I I live on Vancouver Island, you're in Arizona, we're having this conversation. It's like, it's insane, right? We have YouTube and the World Wide Web. Like we have so many resources, okay? So we're like this farmer who's sitting on his stoop.

and looking at all this potential land, just thinking, I can create whatever, I could just get these seeds and I can do this. And then the farmer says, but there could be bugs and there could be disease and there could be bad weather and there could be ⁓ like storms, there could be, you know, they could be growing really, really well. And then there could be a thunderstorm. the farmer is just constantly thinking of all the

things that could possibly happen. She says, well, I better hold my seeds for a while. And I've thought about this story over and over, especially as we're coming into 2026. Because it does feel really heavy. It does feel like there is a lot against us. so the more that we can focus on my business is important to people.

my contribution in the world, it will make the world a better place and this world needs better things. Right? And so now we're combating that all that thinking of all the potential problems and thinking of let's spend time thinking of, well, if even if I help one person, even if I help five people, would it be worth it? Of course. And I'm just going to learn and I'm going to grow and I'm just going to keep

keep going because this is really important to me and you know things might change and that's okay I can I can evolve and grow with that.

Andi (24:51)
Yeah, yeah, it's just like there's always a new quilt that we can make there are always additional opportunities, new things to try in our business. And like you said, we can always evolve with the times. And, you know, we're smart ladies. We can figure this out.

Dara Tomasson (25:13)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Andi (25:15)
So great, wonderful stuff. ⁓ Before we get to our ⁓ rapid fire questions, tell people where they can find you.

Dara Tomasson (25:25)
Yeah, so I'm over on Instagram, Dara underscore Thomasin, T-O-M-A-S-S-O-N. I also have a YouTube channel with the same name. I do my podcast ⁓ on my YouTube and also anywhere where you find podcasts. It's called Love Yourself Thin. My YouTube is just Dara Thomasin, which is a unique name. There's no other Dara Thomasins in the world. So I'm like, well, we're just going to go with it. ⁓ And so you can

There's a variety of ⁓ classes and things that you can find over there. And if you want to figure out what is it that's stopping you from growing, are the things that are, because our mindset is everything, right? So the way that we, what we think is what we become. So if we don't understand why we're not getting the results that we're getting, when we finally slow down and look at our thoughts,

And by the way, 95 % of our thoughts are just habits, right? And so we have all these like really unhealthy thoughts that we just think are just normal. So today, one of my clients in our group call, we are talking about like what our favorite foods are. And she has this thought that cake means safety because in her family celebrations, they'd have cake and there was a rule, there was no conflict allowed.

So she knew that when she was eating cake, there would be no conflict. But when she didn't have a celebration, it wasn't always safe, especially with some of her extended family members. And so when you, so if we got this really big epiphany of this thought air that she has that cake is safe. Cake is just cake. It can't make you safe, right? If we had cake was safe, then America would be safe. The world would be safe, because we could just keep making more cakes, right?

And so the more that we can discover what are our unique thought errors, what are those shaky foundational things like we have to lose weight to be better. We have to have so many Instagram people for us to be valued. Those are all thought errors. But if we're operating from I can't be happy until, or I can't be successful until, then we're never going to.

be successful. And then we also get on that hedonic treadmill where we're like, it's never enough. It's never enough. And then we'll never be satisfied.

Andi (27:59)
Yeah, yeah, really interesting. Good stuff. Thank you so much. Well, since you have been a repeat guest and you have answered our questions, I have a new twist on our rapid fire questions. ⁓ And the first one is what colors did you use in your last cool project?

Dara Tomasson (28:09)
Great!

Well, considering that it was for the Quilters Life Summit, they were prescribed for us. It was red and cream.

Andi (28:32)
Yes, very nice. I remember seeing that pattern. Very lovely. And ⁓ tell us where you like to shop for fabric.

Dara Tomasson (28:41)
Oh, you will be surprised by this. I get a lot of fabric from thrift stores and I, particularly my backings. So I will get really high quality sheets and I do a lot of charity quilts and so it kind of adds up the costs. so I, I get them there.

Andi (29:11)
Yeah, and you found some wonderful items at thrift stores that you've repurposed into quilted fashion, and I've had the benefit of seeing those items up close. They're lovely.

Dara Tomasson (29:19)
That's true.

Yeah, I really

enjoy it. I love repairing old things and making cute coats, dresses, bags. I give them a whole new life. It's like a makeover.

Andi (29:34)
Yeah,

yeah, for sure. ⁓ Tell us about a new or new to you notion that you're enjoying.

Dara Tomasson (29:44)
⁓ Good question. ⁓

Andi (29:51)
And this could be a tool in business as well as quilting. We can go broad for this.

Dara Tomasson (29:54)
Yeah.

I will. OK,

so I would say ⁓ Descript. So Descript is on YouTube. Sorry. No, I take that back. Descript is an app that you record. And so I can record ⁓ myself talking with my my visual. So and then it will it's it has a great editing ⁓ service. So even I'm doing ⁓

Andi (30:04)
Mmm.

Dara Tomasson (30:28)
a perfectionism, people pleasing, procrastination, four day masterclass at the end of February. And so I could make just quick little videos and just have them all done up, no problem. I do my whole podcast on there and I can just edit it. They have great AI tools to help you. ⁓ So it just makes being a business owner more professional.

And with ease, used to have to outsource every video I made, I'd have to get someone to edit it for me. And now it really is so quick and easy. whatever, that has been a game changer for me. So I can make mini classes or I can do whatever and ⁓ I can just record and edit myself and it's just saved a lot of time, effort, and then also ease.

Andi (31:21)
Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Dara Tomasson (31:21)
Cause I'm kind of a creative genius. So I get these ideas

and then I think, well, I don't want to clog up my team to have to do all these things. So I'm like, I'll just do it. No big deal.

Andi (31:32)
Yeah, yeah, I've heard great things about Descript. I ⁓ learned how to edit and I developed my editing style for my YouTube channel before Descript was a thing. And now it seems like it would just, you know, I want to use my learning energy for other things. So I stick with my current methods. But yeah, I always hear great things about Descript. So

Dara Tomasson (31:39)
Hmm.

Yeah!

Yes!

Yeah. Well,

I don't even know. Yeah, it just depends on what you want it for. So.

Andi (32:01)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I'm sure it's a great tool. It comes highly recommended from several people. ⁓ tell us the best part of the last year for you.

Dara Tomasson (32:13)
Hmm. I think, ⁓

That's a great question. 2025. Okay, this might be a crazy, but I'm in a mastermind with this group of, anyways, so I'm in this mastermind and she asked us what are the things that we would say are our best qualities and what are something that we want to work on? And.

As I was thinking and listening to different people, thought, I think one of my best things, especially in 2025, I've discovered is that I don't need to have proof of something before it happens. So a lot of us, when we're starting businesses or even mid-business, wherever we are, we often will think it has to look a certain way. I have to have this many people in order for me to be this person, or I have to...

You know, and we talk about, you know, imposter syndrome or self-sabotage. It's like, we feel like it has to be, ⁓ like success has to be on a certain ladder, but success is way more like the stock market, where we'll can have these big surges and things can go really, really well. And we have, you know, this many people that come to a webinar or this many people that you have a certain launch and it goes great. And then the next one doesn't.

And so I think that the more, one of the things I'm really proud of myself is that I can have those big highs and that's great. But then when it goes really low, which is normal for a business, and a people don't wanna talk about it because they think that, no, like if you had 50 people at one webinar, the next one should be 100 and the next one should be 150. That's not how it goes, girls. I mean, and guys. And so for me, when the low is low,

I don't have to freak out. I don't have to panic. I can just be like that, the captain, right? I have my purpose. I'm gonna keep going. And yes, there's gonna be a tropical storm and then maybe there's like another storm and then you're just like, whoa, this is a lot. But because I'm so driven to my purpose, I can be, I can just keep moving forward and I use my creativity to help me say, well, okay, so what is it that I need to do?

And then the other part of that is I don't spend all my money outsourcing it to everyone else, which is I fell in that trap a few years ago and I'm able to move forward. So that's what I would say. You have to stop waiting for the evidence before it can happen. Just keep going and use that creative. If you're watching this, you're a creative, amazing person, but let yourself just be that creative person and let

You know yourself best. so obviously if you want coaching and all of that, that's of course, but you are the driver.

Andi (35:17)
Yeah, yeah, that's a great realization. I'm glad you picked that as your best item of the year. And we always like to ask guests who is inspiring you.

Dara Tomasson (35:29)
Hmm. Actually, the first thing that came to my mind was my youngest son, just because today was ⁓ so he he got a scholarship to a private school, which was pretty exciting for basketball. He's 13 and a ⁓ partial scholarship. Anyway, it was very exciting, very exciting. And this morning he didn't get the message that his practice was canceled.

And so he wakes up early, he goes to bed early, he wakes up early, I'm super impressed. And then he says, mom, we didn't actually have a practice this morning. And I was like, that's too bad. And then he said, but I did it by myself. Yeah. So I, again, you know, when we life, we think it's going to go a certain way and things happen, misunderstandings, miscommunication. So it's like, you can just sit and twiddle your thumbs and

be mad at the world, or you can say, well, I'm here, right? Moving forward, it's like, okay, yeah, I went to bed early. I could have watched the fun show. We're watching Merlin right now, and I could have maybe slept in, but no, I'm here. I'm gonna make it. And so I think that's a wonderful analogy.

Andi (36:48)
Yeah, yeah, that is very inspiring to see those dedicated athletes that are, you know, putting in the extra rest.

Dara Tomasson (36:55)
Yeah, and that's who we all

are to be. Those people who are the most successful in your businesses, that's what it's going to take.

Andi (37:03)
It reminds me of the quote, ⁓ you know, your character is what you're doing when no one's watching. So that's great. Thank you so much for sharing all of these wonderful stories and ⁓ encouragement for people in business to just keep going after your purpose and showing up as the person you want to be. So thanks so much, Dara. Have a great, great.

Dara Tomasson (37:10)
Totally.

Andi (37:34)
day evening. Thank you.

Dara Tomasson (37:35)
Yes, all right, thanks so much.