Flip Stress & Struggle, into Success | Kevin Goodnight

Ever wondered how prioritizing self-care can transform your leadership style? Join us on the Leadwell Podcast as we sit down with Kevin Goodnight, a seasoned expert in sales and multifamily businesses who has shifted focus to support dads through his initiative, Dad Voted. Kevin candidly shares his journey from high-stress environments to adopting a "selfish before servant" mindset, demonstrating how morning routines, physical exercise, and setting boundaries can enhance leadership effectiveness and overall quality of life. Discover the balancing act of leading effectively while maintaining personal well-being, as Kevin reveals practical tips for achieving optimal performance.

Moving beyond the daily grind, we explore the transition from a retirement mindset to a legacy mindset in leadership. Kevin introduces us to the "BIN" principles—Boundaries, managing Expectations, avoiding Notification overload, and effective Delegation—that form a robust framework for preventing burnout and ensuring long-term success. We delve into how these principles can help you manage setbacks and stay focused on both professional and personal goals, even amid unexpected challenges. Kevin's insights provide a fresh perspective on influencing and impacting others daily, making a lasting difference in both your career and personal life.

In a lighter and more playful segment, Kevin and I explore the fun idea of coordinating outfits for a twin-like appearance and the amusing possibilities it brings, including surprising people at a taco restaurant. This episode wraps up with a heartfelt appreciation for Kevin's contributions and the enjoyable moments shared. Through humor and camaraderie, we underscore the importance of setting non-negotiables for work and family life, the necessity of fun, and continuous self-improvement for leaders. Tune in for an engaging conversation that promises both valuable insights and plenty of laughter.

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In each episode, your host Jon Kidwell, interviews leaders with great stories, to share strategies that help leaders navigate complex, confusing, and often down-right challenging leadership, personal growth, business, and workplace culture situations.

Jon is a nonprofit executive turned coach, speaker, author, and CEO of a leadership development company. In working with nonprofits and businesses, big and small, he realized the unique challenges leaders face when they are committed to keeping the mission and people the top priority. Those leaders’ commitment to their principles and the people they lead, plus seeing the need for more leaders who strive to do the right thing, the right way, for the right reasons, is what inspired Jon to start a leadership development company dedicated to the success of mission-driven leaders and their organiza...

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Self-Care for Leader Success

Jon Kidwell 0:01

Welcome to the Leadwell Podcast, the show where we interview mission-driven leaders who are doing it well. We ask them what they're doing and how they're doing it to help you lead your business and your people. Well, I'm super excited to have with us today Kevin Goodnight. Kevin has led and done and been everything sales and multifamily and commercial done and been everything sales and multifamily and commercial and he has now moved into starting his own business really supporting dads. It's called Dad Voted. We're going to jump into that at the end, but first he has led hundreds of people, big businesses focusing on sales, high pressure, high production. Always got to produce and we're going to talk about self-care today. Kevin, I am so glad that we are reconnect and we're going to talk about self-care today. Kevin, I am so glad that we are reconnected. My friend, it's good to see you.

Kevin Goodnight 0:49

It's so good and love your energy. On a Friday we're going to amp it up. It's a good day to be here, man.

Jon Kidwell 0:58

The irony of our topic is really we're talking about taking care of yourself so that you can serve people well as a leader. And I have to confess, I've been sick all week and I've been frustrated because I canceled appointments, I canceled meetings. I was in bed and I'm sitting there thinking, if I go slug through this, you're going to give me crap on Friday when we get together. And so you've been in my head all week as I've been sitting there, not wanting to do that, but doing it. One because nobody wanted to hear me talk, because I was coughing so bad, and two because, although I didn't want to do it, I knew it was important. And I mean I know you've slugged through it. So tell me a little bit of why this matters to you and how this whole idea about making sure you take care of yourself first started with you.

Jon Kidwell 1:47

Yeah, it's and look, I'm gonna.

Kevin Goodnight 1:50

hopefully my energy will lift you up a little bit today, because I'm always excited man.

Kevin Goodnight 1:54

I love just the journey of how we met and again just through a random guy on LinkedIn and we didn't know we lived 30 minutes away from each other, which is which is so cool. I love how that happened 30 minutes away from each other, which is so cool. I love how that happens. Yeah, I mean, I ran businesses for years and I did it so wrong for a chunk of them and it was because I thought I had to be everything to everybody. And I know, and that's when we met. I think we're pretty much cloned. I think our spikes are kind of are fighting.

Jon Kidwell 2:20

Oh no, we're even doing that for anyone watching. We're basically the same human.

Kevin Goodnight 2:24

He has better facial hair because I can't grow any, so there's that, but yeah, I mean, look, we're guys and I heard your story, I've heard you speak live, which was beautiful. I mean, it's that same thing Work hard, that people pleasing inherent of just. It was ingrained in me be everything to everybody. Ingrained in me, be everything to everybody. And it was exhausting and the craziest thing is when I and I'll dive in.

Kevin Goodnight 2:49

But once I finally figured this out, the results exponentially skyrocketed when I finally realized, like look, you've got to honestly be a little selfish and I have kind of a little some coaching I do and I call it selfish before servant, and it just goes so well with what you talk about who you are, and it's like, look, I know that there's certain things that help me be the best leader I can be. I know there's certain things that help me be the best human. There's certain things that help me be the best husband. A lot of it, too is is the morning routine. Um, it's, it's what I do, the first five, six things I do, and we can get in that at some point if you want to. But you know there's a fine line, because selfish and servant, those just don't, those don't they're oxymoron water man, that's right.

Kevin Goodnight 3:31

You just don't, you know, you just don't look at that, and so there is. There's a fine line, that's it's.

Jon Kidwell 3:35

it's called common sense, Uh but I know if I do a workout in the morning.

Kevin Goodnight 3:39

I'm going to lead better.

Jon Kidwell 3:41

I know, if I do a workout in the morning, I'm also going to eat better, which means my brain's going to be clear.

Kevin Goodnight 3:45

I'm going to drink more water. There's all these little things that just intertwine. And man, unfortunately I was the guy for so many years. I was the guy at the office. I'd get there at 630. I'd leave at 630. I'm eating in front of the team and I thought it was good and some of there was never any time for me and I had to shift and kind of change that mindset. So when I walked in I was looked at as the leader.

Kevin Goodnight 4:09

I was running a $45 million business and I wasn't the owner, but I was the guy, I was the visionary basically, and I had my team underneath me in multiple layers. But if I was just walking in as the sheer just whooped, and by Friday, especially after I had a 20 year bout of drinking and other things, I wasn't very good.

Kevin Goodnight 4:28

And I thought I had left it all out on the field when, in all honesty, I wasn't running at a high level to begin with. So that was that's kind of the broad based picture of of where I was and and then and it took me a lot of years to figure it out- so I'm just recapping here to kind of set the space of cause.

Jon Kidwell 4:46

You said earlier producing results, but I realized on the backside of this, uh, taking care of those selfish needs before serving others, uh, exponential results on that backend. But what I think I heard you say was, listen, I was doing the 12, 12 hours a day type of deal. I was taking care of numbing out or medicating or tuning out in an unhealthy way, and then I was doing it all in favor of pouring everything out on the field. And what I think I heard you say was you really came to realize that you weren't ever bringing your best and that was what, what turned it around for you. Was there a moment, specifically, that it hit you like a two by four on the head?

Jon Kidwell 5:33

or something where you did a little bit in a little bit in a little bit.

Kevin Goodnight 5:37

I think it was a lot. Yeah, there was it where it when it came to head kind of, when I got under this okay, this alcohol thing, which that's a whole other piece, but I had to, I had to get rid of that stronghold, um, and I thought, look, I even thought I'd leave the office and I'd go have a few beers and hammer emails out at 7.

Jon Kidwell 5:54

And all I was doing. I was peppering my people at 7.

Kevin Goodnight 5:57

Hammering them Cause I got a two beer buzz. So now I'm becoming kind of a jackass leader Sorry for the language, but I a jerk of a leader and and yeah, they love me and I was the guy and all these things, but it's like I was away from my house, commuting more, and it just was a. It was a hot mess. And so I think there was that alcohol piece. Once I took that out and started realizing, oh look, I can, I can get to the Friday and feel refreshed like today's Friday.

Kevin Goodnight 6:24

I don't even know what day it is. I'm just so excited to to there was never.

Kevin Goodnight 6:28

I was living for the weekend, right, Everybody. And now it's like no, every day is a beautiful day, Every day is an opportunity to impact somebody, Every day is an opportunity to to lead or to serve, and but I was doing it so backwards that I was. I was fire you know firefighter mode We've heard that just bouncing from fire to fire. I let my email or my inbox lead my day, and then, once I finally figured that shift like I would walk in, I changed my schedule. I'd come in a little bit later, I would have my top three things I was going to get done that day, and unless there was just an absolute bomb, I didn't deviate.

Jon Kidwell 7:03

And so I was in flow mode.

Kevin Goodnight 7:04

You know we all talk about being an athlete being in flow, and I can walk into that branch and boom, flow, flow, flow. One-on-ones weren't getting skipped. Meetings were on time, Meetings were tight. There were so many things and I was like, oh, and then all of a sudden results, things started happening.

Jon Kidwell 7:19

I'm like what is happening. So I think I was.

Kevin Goodnight 7:23

thankfully I had a good support team, but I think I was a little bit of the roadblock and man, I saw us go from a 32 million to a $43 million business in one year on a very established 40 year old business that is highly low dollar amount, high transactions.

Kevin Goodnight 7:41

And you just don't grow a business like that overnight without a lot of things happening, but that was, I think, the biggest thing and to be able to execute was just the sheer fact that I started taking care of myself better and it led to me just, you know being so much better for the team.

Bending Principles of Leadership Success

Jon Kidwell 7:57

You've given us a lot of things in there. So if I'm someone that's sitting there thinking, all right, I connect with your story a little bit. Some of it resonates. It really starts with you kind of change your mind and your approach to it. And how would you describe that? Is that a principle? Is it a mindset? Is it a mantra that you have? What is your thing that just says it's going to be different for me, like, what does that structure look like for you? What do you tell yourself? How do you, how do you approach it that way?

Kevin Goodnight 8:31

Yeah, so it's a, there's twofold. There is a mindset and for me the mindset really was going from a retirement mindset to a legacy mindset and that's a whole other. We do a whole podcast on that. But so many of us are living for retirement and it's like what is that all about? But when you shift from a retirement mindset to a legacy mindset, knowing that every day you can influence and impact others, right Leadership is influence right and impact.

Jon Kidwell 8:57

So I'm going to let me just jump in and see if I'm getting what you're throwing down. Retirement meaning go, go, go, go, go, give everything that I have quote, unquote, right Air quotes, and then I get to take the next 30 years off. Like, is that the idea behind this retirement approach? And then legacy is more what playing the long game, what I'm doing every day, being able to see things through kind of the ripples and the impact around me Is that the general idea? Yeah, that's the general.

Kevin Goodnight 9:28

I mean so many of us are just living for that retirement and living for. You know, yes, we want to, we want to make an impact. Yes, we want to do this, but we get stuck in these little blinders of no. There's so much more to this greater picture. You should enjoy your day, you should enjoy your relationships, you should enjoy your work, and yes, it's a grind. So that was probably the biggest thing was that shift, that kind of retirement to legacy mindset. It was about awards, accumulations, accolades. Maybe some of that was age for me, and then it was kind of like okay, what are the tangibles we want?

Kevin Goodnight 10:01

to know the tangibles. Okay, that sounds cute on paper, right? What is a retirement mindset, legacy mindset?

Jon Kidwell 10:13

But really, I call it the BIN principles. I'm an acronym guy, it's how I remember things. Hey, you're talking to one in the same. So, right, you even do the hair stuff, so lay it on me.

Kevin Goodnight 10:23

Alliteration. I'm a big alliteration guy. Uh, developing devoted dads, that's my whole thing. Um, but the boundaries or the ben principles um, boundaries be, it's all right. I guess you're writing it down, so I know it's good.

Kevin Goodnight 10:33

Yeah, I'm writing it down, let's hear it expectations and delegation and I'll just high level, real quick boundaries. It's setting those boundaries of who you are, what you are about, what you allow, what you won't allow. There's a whole level of what you set from a boundary. What you say no to, what you say yes to all those things. Expectations In the workplace it's setting expectations and reinforcing them. Often At home I'll mix it up for you. It's almost eliminating expectations. And let me just say that yes, I have high expectations for my marriage. I have high expectations for my kids that they're going to be just amazing warriors one day, that I'm building and raising and growing these beautiful boys up. But when I come home, my expectations are if dinner's not ready, I lower my expectations, I go. What am I walking into? So too many expectations lead to irritations, so I try to mix that up High expectations for how I operate when it comes to my wife and my kids, like sometimes you got to lower your expectations in just the day-to-day mundane.

Kevin Goodnight 11:45

Notifications look, we're a notification.

Kevin Goodnight 11:47

overload, you know we know that from phones and apps and some of these things that help us so much. Every time they ding, ding. You know the stats If somebody bothers you for 23 minutes, it takes you approximately 23 minutes to get back on track. And then the last, probably the biggest piece for me, was delegation hiring better people, empowering them, letting them do their thing and then meeting with them, you know, and not ever missing that one-on-one, giving them the opportunity to speak, what they were going to do, writing it down, following up with it and making things happen. So that and there's these bend principles. It's actually the if you bend on these, you will, you'll start to break. And that's where, if you, if your boundaries get out of line, if your expectations get out of whack, if your notifications get overloaded, and if you don't delegate you, if you bend on these principles, you'll break.

Jon Kidwell 12:34

So that's kind of.

Kevin Goodnight 12:35

that's kind of the mantra that I I speak to and I help some other leaders with, and just been kind of how I operate internally.

Jon Kidwell 12:42

That's good. If you bend on these, eventually you will break boundaries, expectations, notification, overload and delegation. That is. It's so good, it's affirming right. I'm a huge notification when I always tell everybody like phone and text, that's the only thing that my phone tells me about. So I'm sitting here thinking I got a win in that column. But I can. I can keep going in a couple of these other ones to continue to do that.

Jon Kidwell 13:08

And so talk to somebody who this week has been sick for two days and they're feeling the pressure Kev of well, I haven't made those calls. I canceled some of the discovery calls that I had. I canceled some of the work calls. So I got to make those up. Or I'm not going to keep on pace of our implementation program. I haven't been doing some of the content stuff, and that's me right. But turn it into anybody else that's behind on collections, that hasn't made their sales calls, that skipped out on all their one-on-ones with their team and all of a sudden they're behind and they got to. They got to catch up to fundraising, to whatever. How do you approach it Once? Once you start to feel the pressure of performance and oh no, I'm behind because I've started to lower some of my time availability. What do you do when, when that comes, so that you can continue to restore yourself to serve other people? Yeah, I'm a regroup kind of guy.

Kevin Goodnight 14:09

I mean sometimes you just have to do a sheer regroup, but I also I like to look internally in those and dig a little deeper. I mean, I'm not a white knuckle grip through life, but I do know this. I know for every 10 minutes I waste is 60 hours a year. So I mean I mean that's so I know. I know in a day I waste a lot of 10 minute segments within a day. So how many hours am I wasting throughout the day?

Kevin Goodnight 14:37

So and little, and so that's how I look at how do I get back on track. It's just that little bit of chipping, chipping away and uh and and vice versa, little things I do today. I journal five minutes. I try to journal five minutes a day to my kids and I've journaled hundreds of pages of the Bible to my kids and it's like scripture, my notes, and it's a rich gift and I. All it takes is five minutes a day my notes, and it's a rich gift and all it takes is five minutes a day. So I think that's the hardest thing is when we're overwhelmed. We tend to, you know, we tend to know we don't know where to start. Sometimes it is I have to put the phone now in the other room. I have to. I have to get it, surely, away from me. Social media drives a lot of my interactions Unfortunately, fortunately, however you look at it from LinkedIn and other things, and so I have to for me to get that writing mode or to content create or to focus on a project.

Jon Kidwell 15:25

Most often I have to turn and get those things completely out of my realm and just and buckle down, I don't know if that's the answer you want, my friend, but I think what I'm taking away there is just self care means taking care of and pouring in and making sure you are well, but what it doesn't mean is wasting time, right, and you really chunked it down into those 10 minute increments and I think a lot of it.

The Dad Voted Movement

Jon Kidwell 15:53

I mean, I'm even thinking back to how, how I would have approached this 10 years ago as a leader, and it kind of put it in that bucket of like, oh, that's, that's like that's snuggie and the, the this and the that, right, but you, you and I have been talking about working out. We've been talking about spending time with family. We've been talking about if you, if you are sick, you gotta be sick, right, if you're hurt, you're hurt. It's as simple as that. We're not talking about wasting time and we're not talking about kind of it's not unplugging, but it's almost like being unproductive. There is a productive side of self-care as well. Right, it's not a tuning out, it's really tuning into what's needed in the moment that you're in.

Kevin Goodnight 16:38

Yeah.

Jon Kidwell 16:39

I believe in a day of rest.

Kevin Goodnight 16:41

For lots of reasons, it's biblical. But I believe in a Sabbath day of rest. I, when I don't do it, I see I used to get the Sunday scaries and I would get so amped up and it's like no, it's not, that's not how it's supposed to be. We're not wired this way. We're not wired to work these crazy things.

Kevin Goodnight 16:57

Yes, we're wired to work, but we're not wired to work to this degree that we think and I think a lot of it is our own perception and thoughts of what we think we need to do, and I had to flip that on its head and it didn't backfire. I actually grew the business and then I got more flexibility and then I got more executives away from me as the business grew. So it's kind of a it's definitely a dichotomy of leadership that you think you've got to be in the business so much and it's like no, you got to take a step back. I just scheduled time to think right, I mean, there's, there's certain little things like that that you just, you just don't think of.

Kevin Goodnight 17:28

But have your non-negotiables. What are you going to do, not do within your business, with your family, and then set them and stay. Stay the course and don't get mad at yourself when you have a crappy day or you get sick or you you miss a something. Right, that's just.

Jon Kidwell 17:43

You just can't stew in that, otherwise it'll it'll.

Kevin Goodnight 17:46

it'll beat you down.

Jon Kidwell 17:48

Yeah, I say that all of us are middle managers. Right, even if you own the thing, it just means that you got a lot more bosses because you got a lot of clients. But every single one of us as a middle manager, and every single one of us that's a leader, probably has somebody that's reporting to us and and there is a little bit of that like well, how do I give that, while making sure that we're focusing on the work, while making sure that I'm supporting my people, the kind of that, the boundary and the tension in there, and what are what are some things that you have done? Well to take what you've learned, what you've implemented, and start to cascade that to the team that you lead in a way that's good for the people, good for the business, good for the mission y'all are on. What does that look like?

Kevin Goodnight 18:32

That's great. You know, I had a young sales guy I promoted once a sales manager and he called it. He said every day I get up and I focus on the IPAs. I'm like the IPAs, that's a type of beer. He said income producing activities.

Jon Kidwell 18:46

I said okay income producing activities.

Kevin Goodnight 18:49

So a lot of that is getting back to the. That's, at the end of the day, um, that's what we're trying to do, for if you're running a business, if you're running a nonprofit, you know, depending on what you're trying to do, um is to try to. Yes, there's good that comes from all the things that you're trying to do and there's good that comes from, uh, seeing employees grow. But what are the core basics that keep the business running and thriving? And I think so often salespeople get caught up in firefight, fix it mode. So it's like, okay, how do you fine-tune the sales guy so that they're not just firefighting all day is because of something they haven't set up correctly? Is it a system that isn't helping in within the business? Is it a software issue? Is it an organization issue? So there's, there's so many things again, I think so much of what we do goes back to time management and execution and um.

Kevin Goodnight 19:36

And then, when you start to have that family that you go look, I execute from eight to five whatever you want to call it because I do that so well, so that I can be better for my family and give them that uninterrupted time. There's nothing worse than a stressed out dad on a Saturday who's yelling at his kids because he didn't figure out his week.

Kevin Goodnight 19:56

you know, yes, there's bad things that happen but, I, got up the other day yesterday I got up at four and at three 30, I was at the pool with my kids and it was beautiful. Um, I don't like to get up at four, but I woke up, started my day and at three 30, I was at the pool and I put my phone aside and didn't look at it of themselves how to love their families better, that their most important impact is at home. I mean, that was my whole thing. Like then I create this dad ministry and it's like oh yeah, I really need this.

Kevin Goodnight 20:32

This is where I need to go and do and be about, so look, and you did and you've jumped in right.

Jon Kidwell 20:39

So, kevin, going from corporate sales leader to leading business to now building a business, and you've authored a book called Dad Voted. Have it. It's great. That has been one of the sub themes of my entire year is reading all of these books on parenting. So apparently it's needed over in the Kidwell household, which is a good thing. It's always needed. I got to keep doing that and you go around and speak. So tee us up a little bit for the guys probably even the gals saying hey, maybe we could look at this book together, honey, right, but tee us up for Dad Voted and what y'all are working on over there.

Kevin Goodnight 21:17

Yeah, it's a beautiful mission, Long story. Never thought I'd be doing this. My heart again. If I would have seen this I probably would have run for the hills, but it's just a beautiful mission and passion for men and dudes. I go hard at dads, and not that we're bad dads, we just got to be a little bit better and we're all so close dads. We just got to be a little bit better and we're all so close. Men are so consumed with building their own kingdom with accolades, awards I call it male PMS. It's all about finding power, money and status.

Jon Kidwell 21:50

And it's like guys.

Kevin Goodnight 21:51

How do we take a step back and leave a lasting legacy? So I wrote the first book. It's called Dad's, devoted to Discovering their Duty, direction and Destiny. Your duty is it's around your purpose. Why are you here? What's that all about? Your direction, which way are you going? And then your destiny is what's the?

Kevin Goodnight 22:10

ultimate end game While you live here. Of course and I go at it hard from a faith-based perspective but I just want men to know and stop doing this by themselves, stop white knuckling through life and just line up accountability, line up mentorship. Be a mentor, mentor somebody.

Kevin Goodnight 22:30

I think we talked about that, you talk about that in your keynote that I saw you give recently. It's so important that we're doing these things. We're muscling through life and my biggest fear is that too many men are waking up one day and their kids picture them as a glorified ATM Like that's who my dad, my dad, was. And what the dads are struggling with is that they're just like hey, we'll get to that, I'm a good dad, I'm, I'm involved. Well, there's a big difference between an involved father and an intentional father. John Tyson speaks to that, and there's a big difference in how I talk to dads that are coming through and they're like well, I'll get to that, I'll get to that.

Kevin Goodnight 23:11

Well, the father makes the biggest impact from five years to 11 years. And you set the foundation by the kids hit 12 and 13,. They're all about their peers. So if you haven't laid that foundation, I'm not saying you're done, but it does make it a lot harder. So that's how do I get to more men? I'm 42. How do I get to more men that are 32, 35, 38, even 42 to 50 and just say, hey, let's link arms and be a little bit better? So I do it through writing. Speaking. I just I launched an online course today called Becoming Dad. Voted. It's just so I don't know, just my heart and passion for men, because I've lived it. I was that guy two years ago. Marriage was good-ish, not great. I was an okay dad. I wasn't a crappy dad. I just was kind of all about me. And it's so funny that I, ronnie, we're I, I irony, we're speaking about selfish before servant but I had to get myself right so that I could pour into others.

Kevin Goodnight 24:08

And that's now. There's no, there's no. Looking back this mission and movement ministry is. It's crazy. My kids are all in it, my wife's all in it.

Jon Kidwell 24:18

We don't know what we're doing just spirit led and self-funded and off and running. I love it and it is. It's fun to watch. We will jump into where and how people can connect with you in just a second. But the question that we ask everybody, the one before you go, is Kev for you, what does it mean to lead well?

Kevin Goodnight 24:40

is Kev. For you, what does it mean to lead? Well, oh man, what a great question. You know, for me, it's everything. It's what we were called to do. We're called to lead your job. Can be president, can be CEO, you can be janitor.

Jon Kidwell 24:54

We are all leaders.

Kevin Goodnight 24:56

It doesn't matter what stage of life you're in, if you're male, female, we were all called to lead, and so, for me, it's everything. It's all about this just process of becoming more, doing less. It's everything I aspire to be.

Jon Kidwell 25:16

I've far from made it.

Kevin Goodnight 25:17

I've far from made it in parenting. I still am in the throes of it. I would do a lot of things differently as a leader, but I wouldn't take any of it back. So, man, I just encourage people to wake up every day, dust themselves off and just keep chipping away. That's it, yeah.

Jon Kidwell 25:33

Keep chipping away and we will continue to do that. And where can people watch, connect with you, see you chip it away and engage with dad voted yeah.

Kevin Goodnight 25:41

Dad votedcom uh website. A lot of good interactive stuff there. You can connect, sign up for my newsletter, other things there I'm a little bit heavier on.

Kevin Goodnight 25:49

LinkedIn under my name, kevin goodnight, uh, but you could, of course, find um Instagram on all those things as well under mainly dad voted, once you get off of LinkedIn. But yeah, I also speak locally speaking at a lot of churches, men's groups, local businesses, bringing the thunder at guys and yeah. So there's a lot of cool opportunities and, like I said, I just want to honor you, man, I'm just grateful for you, grateful for who you are. Man, I'm just grateful for you, grateful for who you are, and I knew when we met within I mean, it's so cool, within seconds we were, we were uh, we were all in man, we were both sitting on the edge of our seats just loving our stories and I can't wait.

Jon Kidwell 26:28

We were going to get some tacos. Well, I got tacos. I can't remember what you got, but I got tacos last time we were together.

Kevin Goodnight 26:33

I'm fueled by tacos man.

Taco Coordination and Gratitude

Jon Kidwell 26:35

There you go. All right, we're going back for tacos and we will coordinate our shirts better so that we can really scare people at the restaurant into thinking the hair, the shirt, the everything They'll just they'll really think I'll shave for you, I'll shave this off.

Kevin Goodnight 26:49

There we go.

Jon Kidwell 26:50

Twins. That might cause too many problems for everybody involved. So, kevin, it's been a joy, man, it's so good to see you. Thank you for coming on and talking about this today. I appreciate you. It's been great having you Absolutely. Thanks, man. All right, everybody else, until next time, be well lead on and God bless.