Finding Your Authentic Voice In Leadership w/ Christian F. Johnson

Tracy Ann Palmer is joined by Christian F. Johnson, author of the insightful book, "When You're Speaking But Still Silent." This discussion dives into the heart of authentic leadership and the nuances of reclaiming one's true voice amidst a world inclined towards performance. Christian shares his transformative journey and the pivotal moments that led him to question performative leadership, ultimately reclaiming his own voice and purpose.

Christian Johnson speaks about the challenges many high-achieving leaders face today, including imposter syndrome, mimicry, and the distractions that pull them away from their core purpose. He introduces his Rinse Method, a structured approach to rediscovering and aligning with one's authentic self, and elaborates on how this method can alleviate the pressures and distractions that leaders commonly face. Tracy Ann Palmer and Christian engage in a compelling dialogue, underlining the importance of internal alignment, authenticity, and spiritual reflection to craft impactful and sustainable leadership practices.

Key Takeaways:

*   Many leaders suffer from performative leadership, which can lead to burnout and disconnection from their authentic selves.
*   The Rinse Method is a powerful tool designed by Christian to help leaders recognize and neutralize distractions, identify their divine assignment, and execute focused actions.
*   Success should inspire leaders to look within rather than mimic others, fostering an environment where authenticity fuels true leadership success.
*   Trusting oneself and one’s unique gifts helps conquer confidence issues, allowing leaders to remain aligned with their personal truths and inner strengths.
*   True leadership is not about performing but living with presence, courage, and authenticity.

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Transcript

Walking The Talk And Authenticity

SPEAKER_03 0:01

You have to walk the talk. You have to be authentic as a leader.

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If you're not doing it, they see that.

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It is entirely universal. There's other people who are going through this.

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For me, a great leader needs to be able to marry three things: vision, systems, and people.

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Introducing Christian Johnson And His Book

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Let's get on with the show. Welcome to Leadership Moments, where we go beyond the resume, the role, and the rhetoric to uncover the truth about what it really takes to lead with heart, with courage, and with impact. I'm your host, Tracy Ann Palmer, and today's guest brings a message every leader needs to hear. He is the author of the powerful book When You're Speaking, but Still Silent. And his work is a call to reclaim our voice, our presence, and our authenticity in a world that often demands performance instead of truth. Please welcome Christian Johnson.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

Thank you so much for that welcome.

SPEAKER_03 1:36

You're very, very welcome. I'm thrilled.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Listen, I could just listen to you talk all day. I mean, just listening to you talk, I'm like, okay, wow. Like, who is this person that's about to come on here? Because I need I need to know them. Who are they? Oh, wait a minute. That's me. No.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

It's so funny. Well, I'm delighted to have you on the show today, Christian. And I'm excited, more importantly, for our audience, because I think just based on the conversations we had, uh, I think there's so much that they're going to be able to glean uh from the incredible wisdom that you're bringing uh to the conversation today. So I'm gonna just jump in here. You know, uh Christian book title sort of stopped me in my tracks. Right. Uh when when you're speaking but still silent. Can you unpack that for us? What does it mean to be silent even when we're speaking?

SPEAKER_00 2:41

Well, that's great, Tracy. And so if I can, can I take you back to March 2nd? Because my life changed there. And so I think that would help us to uh go a little deeper and wider in this. So picture this moment. All right, go with me. All right, we're gonna go go into the the the visualization with me. Okay, so I'm coming off of speaking of a platform, and someone in the audience, and I'll just call them Bobby to protect their name, right? They know me, but they said it's hard to they said it's hard to um listen to you anymore. It's like you're speaking, but not from your authentic voice. And she said, you sound so much like like the other people, you know, quoting them and you know, their true voice, so forth and so on. And there's nothing wrong, I'll say that with quoting people that you give them their credit. So I want to be clear in that, right? But it hit me hard because I had realized that um I had an unhealthy reliance on voices that I looked up to. Okay. So sometimes it was coaches, it was pastors, leaders, all those various things and situations. And I suffered silently from mimicry, mass messaging, and misalignment. Because I thought, Tracy Ann, that that nobody really wanted to hear my true voice, that who I am and what I have to say, it wasn't as important as quoting others, right? Who had the following, who had the years experience, who had all those various situations. So I didn't know that my my my desire to kind of feel important, or uh, as my spare spare as my therapist would say, um need to feel special, um, was serving as a distraction from me really fully aligning to my assignment. So the title comes from my own life. When you're speaking, I'm speaking, I'm on platforms, I'm doing what I need to do, but my true authentic voice, it was silent. And I realized that I'm not the only one who has built platforms and various products and situations, but there had been a misalignment from their true voice to the perceived voice. So now we have this book.

Performing Leadership Versus Embodying It

SPEAKER_03 4:52

Yeah, you know, Krishna, I think that that's very, very powerful because you know, uh a lot of you know, when you think about corporate or when you think about people sitting in that audience, right? Uh everyone to some degree through the course of their life uh suffers from uh you know uh jealousy of others or admiration of others or imposter syndrome or whatever. And so they start to try and be like other people and they lose the beauty and the authenticity of who they truly are. So I love what you're talking about here because uh you're right, you're not the only one right that has ever gone through that, but what a gift, what a gift that somebody had the uh the the courage and the the gift of the relationship with that individual that they were willing to share that with you that is really a gift, you know. You you write that many leaders perform leadership rather than embody it. Okay. So what are some of the signs that someone is performing versus truly being present?

SPEAKER_00 6:27

Yeah, I love it. I love your question. Um, and I can share, even I talk about this in the book, uh, and I just mentioned it, the the mimicry, the mass messaging, uh, and that feeling of misalignment. I think they're some of the clearest ways. And you know, and and and I I hear a lot of people say um imposture syndrome and different things like that. But for me, when I write in a book, I'm talking about that identity dissonance. And it's a little bit of difference between that because it wasn't like I I know what my gifts are, I understand those various things, but and it wasn't like I was trying to be something that I wasn't, it was an area of me disconnecting with truly who I am. And sometimes when you're in the business and you're leader, you run so quick, you're doing so many things. You never you don't take the time to really look within and see what is shifting. And and I come from the faith background and and and doing various things, so it's really easy to kind of put on a facade sometimes, or just um, you know, uh ground yourself just in the Bible or whatever your belief system is, but not do the inner work. I can teach somebody else's material or somebody else's thing. But for me, that mimicry, I'm like, oh, Tracy Ann said that that's really good. So I can write that down and now I'll share that. That will get amens, applauses, whatever the case may be, that's good. But when I'm sitting and doing that inner work, ooh, that part there, that's the part that I'm inviting us to do. There's nothing wrong, hear me when I say that, with reading and learning from others. That's what it's the purpose of that. But when we aren't sitting with self to see if it resonates with us, if we're able to embody that, especially in a coaching and speaking world that I'm in, a lot of times it's dangerous to give out something that you haven't necessarily prepared for yourself. It's like cooking, right? And I never taste what it is that I'm giving to somebody else. And I find that difficult, but I was living a part of that life. Um, so anyway, that's that part of mimicry, um, that mass messaging. Again, there's a part of me, and I share it with you in private, how uh in this season and time, you know, I love leaders, spiritually minded leaders, but there is a special place in my heart for the black and brown male. And so, again, so the mass messaging may be I don't really want to speak to that particular person because, you know, they may think this about me, or I don't want to portray or share that I am a Christian because they may think this about me. But the truth is, Christian, the principles are transferable. So whether you believe the same way that I do or not, those who are spiritually aligned will receive what it is, right? So we do this self-pressure and and this misalignment, and we have the external validation that we desire for, and sometimes that can misalign us from that presence path instead of that performance, you know, that that we we we cling to.

Success, Comparison, And Alignment

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Yeah. Yeah, no, I really appreciate that, and I think that was very helpful for me too, because uh you were very clear about the clarification of what this is, and it's about that mimicry, right? And then being your authentic self, right? It's all about being your authentic self. Now, in the book, you do talk about uh performative leadership leads to burnout and that disconnection and even that imposter syndrome. Why do you think so many uh high achieving leaders fall into this trap?

SPEAKER_00 9:55

Yeah, I think we all want success, right? But I I I learned through um a program that I'm certified in called Success is Spiritual, um, where I was taught that success is the starting point. So it shifted the mindset to realize again, if I'm I'm a motivational speaker, whatever you want to call that. So if I look at Tony Robbins and I say, okay, well, if Tony Robbins has this course and he does this, now I want to go ahead and I want Tony Robbins' results, right? Um, I look at E.T. the Hip Hop Preacher, I can look at, you know, tap, I can look at this, I can look at that, and I say that. So now that's nothing wrong with that. That should show me that it's possible. But that doesn't mean that that result is my result, right? It can encourage me. But to mimic the same thing to try to get that result, look, I don't have the same story, I don't have the same background, I don't have the same effect. I am who I am. And sometimes we all say it this way lust after the success of others that have gone before us, instead of looking at it to say it's a possibility, and I'm gonna look within and align and be the best version of who I am, instead of wanting the results of those who have gone before me, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Yeah, you know, I love that. And I I want to just uh regurgitate that in terms of what I heard because I think that was pretty profound. Success is the beginning, first of all, right? And then the goal is to look at those and be inspired by them, but not to mimic them, rather look at that as an inspiration and then look within yourself and say, What am I, who am I, and then what does that authentically look like?

Confidence, Identity, And Growth

SPEAKER_00 11:48

Yeah, yeah. And if I can add just a little bit onto that, if that if that's okay, because that part where you say we're we're conversating right now from my belief system, I say where we are right now, you know, there's a divine and you, the divine and me, and we both we both have it. And so looking at that, there's some things that you're gonna say that resonates with me. And that's what I'm looking for. That connects, man, that really resonates with me. Now I can sit with that and I can embody that and I can align with that. I think the true goal is the area of alignment. So that's why I love coaching, and I am a coach for the area of reminding me of what I have, not what I'm lacking, because I believe that there's nothing missing, nothing lacking, nothing broken. So what I already have, you can remind me of that. And then I can come from that area to make sure that I am operating out of my authentic self and doing what needs to be done. And I think for me, that was the part. Nothing wrong with any of the coaching programs or the books or anything. But when you personally, Christian, I was at a place where I hadn't have confidence in who I am and what I have, that's the part where we can just leap over, I'm not special. You start thinking I'm not good enough, or I built this from this particular place, and it puts us in such a box that we can't go to the left or right. And I believe that we unfold who I am five years ago is not the man that I am, the being that I am today. If you hold me to that, you might miss the whole message. Look, this book, I'm not the same person that wrote this book. There are some things that unfold. So I think it's a beauty, it's a beautiful picture when we come into the place to say, you know what, with so many things in the earth realm that could distract us, why not take every moment to help it be an invitation to look within to align with where we truly are and not get caught up in emotion?

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Yeah, but you again, you just said something that I just want to make sure our audience captured because as people who coach and as as people who have been in leadership roles and are in leadership roles, you and I both know one of the main areas that stops people from achieving what they are set out to or should be achieving is their confidence and their self-esteem. And you just captured that instead of looking and trying to mimic others, you're looking in and you're saying, and I love the way you phrase that, you're saying who am I? What really resonates with me? What am I? What do I care about? What are my values? All those things, right, Christian? Right? And then you're saying, okay, now because I trust myself, because I value myself, because I now know who I am, I can go be that person, I now don't no longer have all those other struggles. That's what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I like the way you said it, but yes.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

I mean, for for for our audience, I really want them to catch that as a lesson.

SPEAKER_00 15:02

Wow.

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Because how many people go through life, you know, what do they say? You're trying to, you know, keep up with the Joneses, right? But what you're saying is, no, you're better than the Joneses. You just gotta look within and figure out who you are, and you're not gonna have the confidence issues anymore, and therefore you you will you will be successful and all those great things will happen. That's what I'm hearing. And I think that is so profound because if you can find your gifts and and and leverage them and and use them, why would you have confidence is you? Why would you try and be somebody else?

The RINSE Method Explained

SPEAKER_00 15:47

You are saying so much power right there. And I think a part two is that I had to stop lying to myself, Tracy Ann. And when I start being honest with myself, I could also be honest with my clients and everybody else. Now, mind you, I've been coaching for 10 years, okay? And and this is March. I'm not talking about March 1995. I'm talking about we're in uh in 2025 right now. I'm talking about recently where this hit me. And I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on? See, when principles are principles, anybody can speak them and they can hit the place. But when you resonate with those principles, when you live, it's a different area. My past is gonna help your future. And when you're in a coaching realm, so being honest with myself is gonna help the whole entire, you know, uh uh uh sphere and circle pertaining to that. So it hits my heart for being honest with myself. So, you know what, Christian, you didn't take the time to really look at yourself. It is a part of even the rinse method that I take people through that are in that rinse method is recognizing what's distracting you from your divine purpose. You have to be honest with that. What is that distraction? If you take that word distraction, DIS, all the this is disorganized, right? With that, and all those, all those, if we remove that, then we have that traction. And so all those things that are hindering us from building that traction, and then we're not done, take the TR away and we have that action. We want that divine action to continue to move forward. That for me is that place of success that when I lay my head down at night, I want to make sure that maybe the world's measure of success wasn't there. But for me, in alignment, did I, Christian F. Johnson, help emerging the spiritually minded leaders to distract, destroy those distractions, align with God, and fortify their focus. It doesn't matter where I go, that's transferable. I I that's my focus.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

I want the audience to take that back. You you were talking about the the the writs. Is that what you said? The rits. Rinse. Yes, rinse method. The rinse method. Yes. Okay, so tell us about the rinse method. I want to hear about your rinse method because this is fabulous.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Tag me in. Let's go. I love this, okay? So the rinse method, okay? So you're listening, you're watching, you're at this point in place, you're identifying with this message. You say, okay, Christian, I'm hearing you and Tracy and talk about this area, and you're talking about that area of distraction. That rinse method. I'm gonna tell you from the book, when I was growing up, my mother would always say to me when I had a throat irritation, she would say, Christian, what I want you to do is get you some warm water, put some salt in it, right? And I want you to swish it around, gargoyle in your mouth, but don't swallow it. I want you to go ahead and rinse and release that. And so the method was really called the rinse and release method, and it came from there. And we did a synonym by this. And so the R is for recognizing what's distracting you from your divine purpose. And so when you realize that and recognize that, like I we talked about with that R, what is it? For me, sometimes it could have been um that self-confidence that you were talking about, right? So that was a distraction keeping me. Maybe I won't put out the message, maybe I won't lead at this particular place, right? But you know, within you're feeling like I know what this purpose is. I'm doing with that thing. I need to deal with that. The I is identifying your authentic divine assignment. That takes time too. Notice all these things are looking within. It's not blaming anybody else. Oh, it's Tracy Ann's fault, it's the coach's fault, it's the therapist's fault. It's everything. No, it's me. Identify. Identify starts with I, right? Last time I checked, right? Identify your authentic divine assignment. Look within. You say, Christian, I don't know. I never really thought about that. I've been leading, I'm I'm I have a full bank account. I'm doing this. I never thought about that. Listen, let me ask you this. Why do you believe you were sent here on earth? Like, why do people come to you? Have you taken and it can it can transform and mold, right? Well, you know what? People always come up with more problems. Pay attention to that. What frustrates you? Oh, I can't stand when XYZ. Okay. These may be clues, right? To to help you identify what that reason is for you to be fruitful. To be multiplying for you to take dominion in that area for what it is. I've had a blessed conversation with you, Tracy, and to realize that there's many facets to this. There was corporate, there's music, there's all this. But if we strip all that away, I bet there is something that is stitched in everything you do and how you express, but you had to identify with that authentic, right? Not the coach's assignment, but your authentic divine assignment is. That end is neutralizing that distraction. And we neutralize that distraction by starving them of attention. And that is crucial and important. I believe that what you feed will live, but what you starve will die. I'm just in the end right now, neutralizing the distractions. So for me, that's huge. I actually take some time to neutralize in the mornings. A lot of times, this for me can be a prayer, can be meditation. I call it walking in the spirit, which is me on a treadmill where I put some music on, it's instrumental. I kind of soak and I kind of reflect in that area. But I'm honest with myself to say, you know what? Maybe I woke up feeling heavy. Maybe I woke up frustrated. Maybe I didn't hit my goals in the business this particular week. But what is distracting me, let me starve that and fix my thoughts on things that are pure, fix my thoughts on things that are good, that are encouraging, that are going to align me with what that flow is. And then that S is to starve, right? What pulls you out or off of course course? We want to strengthen our alignment. So many times, I don't know if you're like me, I can have nine things go good, but one thing can go bad, and it rocks my entire day. Why do we give it so much power? I believe we're feeding it with our energy, with our mind, with our space. So if we're learning to say, you know what? I'm going to start with gratitude. So even though this may be frustrating, let me look at the positive side of that. You know what? I got up, I took a deep breath. I can smell, I can taste, I can see, I can sense. I'm going to put my focus in that. And because I have that in my right mind, I can now continue to align with my assignment. And that E, we want to execute from our divine center with that focus action. It's good to visualize, it's good to be embodied. It's good to, but we got to do something with it, Tracy. And we have to execute and express and give hope and encouragement and love and peace and joy and leave places, peoples, and things better than what we came there with. And so those things together help me to align. I rinse and then I'm able to release my expression here in the earth realm, right? Recognizing that what I'm seeking externally, that validation, that importance, that success, I already possess it internally. So I no longer have to seek it externally when I take the moment to look within and align myself with that clear uh focus.

SPEAKER_03 22:52

I love that. I love that.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

You get me fired up. You get me fired up.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

I love that. And I love the Rinse method. I hope everyone is paying attention because uh I really love a lot and thank you for walking us through that because that is very, very, very powerful. I also love this uh, you know, what you feed lips that was very powerful. Very powerful. So you know when you work with leaders, Christian uh what are some of the what are some of the challenges that you help them with and see them through?

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Yeah, well obviously the one is the area of the distraction.

SPEAKER_03 23:42

Yeah.

Daily Practices To Neutralize Distraction

Coaching Leaders Through Pressure And Misalignment

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Right? Um Yeah, 100%. Because we all have it. Think about I love technology, so let me be clear with that. But how much of a distraction it can be. I mean, I go to bed and I have my phone in my hand, I wake up and one of the times the first thing and I I pick up. And if I'm scrolling and I see something, then now it can take me off course, right? So sometimes some of the biggest things is going back to the basics. I mean, you call it Stone Age, whatever you want to call it, but sometimes just getting away from it, just getting out of nature, putting the phone down, coming to that place of realizing, okay, what is the main thing? The self-pressure? Oh, that's another big one. Because once I start realizing, I'm like, okay, wait a minute. Um, why are we dealing with this pressure now? What is it? Well, you know, I had this goal under, well, I've learned instead of just setting goals, let's set intentions, okay? And then let's realize that the the we might not know the how, right? We may not know what when per se, but we know it will happen as we're staying aligned. But that self-pressure, I've watched it make leaders sick. I've watched it have them into depression and anxiety. I've watched uh even some deal with things that are so low that they're wondering why are they here on this earth? And when you look at them and it's this mindset, if it has to be, it has to be me. And I'm saying sometimes that's a dangerous place to be because I've heard of the term self-made millionaire, and I understand it, but when I listen to the story, there's nobody that I know has been the self-made millionaire. You've had to come to the place to work with somebody to get to that place. Somebody had to carry the vision, somebody had to execute it, somebody had to work with you to get to that place. And sometimes we as leaders, we don't know what's going on. We just feel something's off. And that's really the starting point. So through a discovery call, I take them through the rinse method. And maybe somebody is watching or listening and you're saying, okay, that makes sense to me. I've dealt with the self-pressure, I've dealt with these things. This makes sense. And you can take my method and do it by yourself. That's fine. But it's something about when you walk with somebody, and I love coaching because it's really about asking questions, right? Um, I again I can't get away from this. So for me, my my background, I think the best coach for me comes from a sacred book of mine, and and uh it's in Genesis, and God says, Who told you you were naked? In other words, where did you get your information from? And I think that's where that self-pressure sometimes hits because I'm thinking, well, I got that from culture. Well, I got that from you know my parents, I got that from this, I got this from there, I got that from all those situations. But just because that's where it came from doesn't mean that's the truth of it, and that's your truth that's related to it. So we put this self-pressure. When I said I'm 50, I'm gonna be a doctor, I'm gonna be a millionaire, I'm gonna have this, someone that, and because I'm 55 now and I'm depressed, it's okay. But look at your journey and see what happens. So we take time to get rid of those distractions, and we realize that you've been successful the whole time. That is the biggest eye open. Wait a minute. Sometimes we don't realize from where we are now to where we were 365 or 66 on the leap year days ago that there has been tremendous growth. We're not celebrating the wins. We're allowing the frustration, the disappointment, the anger, where something's released in the world where we're fixing and focusing on the negativity versus the power of love and unity and just being positive and releasing that energy. So a lot of that is what I'm dealing with with the area of the leaders and just being at that place of being honest. And I say this in my coaching session. I said, What if I said to you that there's nothing wrong with you? And then they say, Well, well, it has to be something, whatever. No, no. What if it's not a right or wrong? What if it's just a misalignment? I go to the chiropractor because I feel something's off. And they readjust me so that I'm at that place. And it's some pain, it's temporary, but when I walk out, I'm better than I came. I'm encouraging our viewers and listeners, it's just a simple realignment, is what we need. We need a little adjustment to be at that place, to be honest and stop saying, No, I don't need an adjustment. Sure, you do. You walk in like this right now, and everybody can see it. It hurts, but it's okay. We can align ourselves and we can move forward. And I think this book can be helpful for many of us.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Yeah, I love that. Absolutely love that. Little tweaks, right? Little adjustments. I really love that. So if someone is listening right now and they feel like they've lost their voice and they've never really truly used it, what would you say to them?

SPEAKER_00 28:26

Hop on a discovery call with me. No.

SPEAKER_03 28:30

Well, that I think that's a gift. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

No, no, I love it. I love it. I would first off speak value, and I would have to speak life to them and let them know one that you're valuable, that you're powerful, and that you do have the voice and you know you have. I would tell you that this time and this season right now, the earth needs your sound, it needs what you have within. I would encourage you to take this moment in time and make the declaration from this point on that I am going to take the time for me and really look within and align with what I'm feeling. I call it the it, your inner tugging and whatever name you want to give it, but it's there for all of us. And it reminds us, you know, that there's something deep inside. Like I said, it may be frustrating you, it may be your passion, it may make you cry, it may make you laugh. But at that place, this time, the look within and believe in that. And I want to tell you that you're a winner. You what do you mean I'm a winner, Christian? I haven't won it in a long time. Now, listen, you were born a winner, all right? And hopefully this doesn't have to get edited out for this part. But if my mind serves me correctly for the sperm to go ahead and hit the egg, then it automatically has beat so many thousands to get to that place for inception. So you came to a place because you were formed with purpose and power for a reason and because you have breath. Now is your time to look within and align. Let's go through this, realize are there distractions of self-pressure? Are there distractions of other things that are going on? Let's kill and destroy those distractions by starving them and align to a place where we're making a commitment that I am more than enough, that I already have what I need to be successful because I already am successful. And I will commit to this from this day forward and then connect with somebody, myself, with Tracy Ann or anybody else who's around there that the divine is leading you to to help you continue in this journey. It may not happen overnight, but every day you can celebrate and welcome victory.

Reclaiming Your Voice And Self-Worth

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Yeah, so powerful Christian. Wow, so so powerful. And for all of you listening, uh, you know, go out and grab Christian's book. Please do that because I do believe that there are a lot of leaders who have got stuck. Stuck. And you said it, Christian. Go back to basics. Do the rinse method. You do not do this alone. Right? People do not make it alone. You know, uh, even Oprah Winfrey, you know, has made a statement publicly about I did not get here on my own. Nobody does. You need those people who can help you. And you know, Christian, you've certainly been through this yourself, right? Uh your own journey of it. And and uh that's why it's so powerful because you've lived it. You've lived it. Right? It's real. So um I just want to say, you know, thank you uh for being here today, for sharing your powerful gift with us. Uh and and really I I really hope that our audience truly understands uh the power in what you have just uh articulated to them. Because uh I I love the fact that when they look inside and they figure out who they are, they will have success for themselves. And it's more that success that you're talking about, Christian, is it's the confidence, it's the power, as you said, it's their superpower, it's their gift, right? So thank you for being here on the show with us. And to all our listeners, you know, you're not here to perform leadership, you're here to live with the presence, with power and with truth. So Christian's book is called When You're Speaking But Still Silent and I highly, highly recommend it. We'll drop all the links uh when we release the the podcast out and all of the all all of our the YouTube and and and everywhere. So please, please, please take the time uh to get Christian's book. Uh and you know if you're so inclined, reach out to Christian and have a conversation. I I have no doubt uh it'll be well, well worth it. Thanks everyone. It was great to be with you today. If you enjoyed the show, please go to LeadershipMomentsPodcast.com to subscribe to the podcast or on your favorite player, as well as follow us on Instagram and LinkedIn.

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