Dairy-Free BLW | Parents discuss weaning with a cow's milk allergy (CMPA)

Baby-Led Weaning when your child has allergies. This is the one where Emma and Elliot chat about their journey with Lola so far with solid foods. Specifically, around a soy allergy and cow's milk protein allergy. Discussing the difference with weaning a second child, top tips for allergies, the challenges, eating out, recommended dairy-free brands, foods, and recipes that worked for us. Sharing our story - but let us know your experiences, struggles or tips!

Previous food episodes mentioned in the podcast:
Picky Eaters | Parents discuss toddler food preferences
Sweet Potato | Parents discuss baby-led weaning
CMPA allergy journey:
Medical Drama | Parents share their struggles with a poorly baby

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction
• 3:10 Parenting Achievements
• 7:30 Main conversation part 1
• 25:40 Break - Faith Corner
• 32:10 Main conversation part 2
• 48:50 Stories from Listeners

Transcript

 So Emma, what are we talking about today? Today we are talking about baby led weaning, but with a child that can't have cow's milk. This episode is called dairy free, BLW.

I thought you were gonna say dairy free BLT. I had to really think about it to make sure I didn't say that. Anyway, welcome back to the Crippin household you are listening to. Don't Wake the Baby, I mean, but you know that you clicked on the thing. Well, yeah. That's mean unless you've come by a terrible accident.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the show where we chat all about parenting with under fives, babies and toddlers, and the chaos of life that that ensues our stories. Welcome to the Imaginary Professor Sprout's Cozy Greenhouse. Oh, nice. It's sweltering hot in the middle of a heat wave. It is. I'm literally, this is TMI.

I'm wearing an oversized top and a pair of Elliot's boxes today. Oh, are you? Anyway, welcome to our fictional setting where we can, no, I was gonna say get sweaty together and talk about parenting. That's the wrong vibe entirely. This is just, although we are getting sweaty, but when this comes out, it might not be a heat wave.

If you're new here, uh, we have two daughters. Yeah. Lily and Lola. Lola is currently as a time of recording nine months. Yep. And Lily is four, correct? There you go. Just some context 'cause you will be chatting about them a lot. Lola more In this episode, we often start the show with a little factoid about ourselves just to introduce ourselves so you get to know us.

Um, Emma, what is your favorite vegetable? Probably sweet potato or cochet. Ooh or mushroom. But is that a vegetable? It's more like a. Right. Um, pretty, yeah, we're getting very technical here. I, I think mushroom counts as like, you know, in the same kind of category. Well, giving a three. Yeah, that's, that's not what I asked for.

Do you understand the word favorite? Um, to be fair, I haven't thought of my own answer. So that's, uh, you know, um, three is fine. I, I've, mushroom is. Pretty high on my list. Probably maybe near the top because I don't really like many vegetables. I was gonna say, I'd be surprised what you come out with. Yeah.

Yeah. Normally is potato a vegetables? Well, that's I for sweet potato. A scientifically fy about it. Potato. Potato. What about non-scientific? You, oh, you mean something that has nutritional value? No, I just, I liked your term scientifically. Oh, right. It's either all a made up fruit. No, I mean, like, I don't think in terms of, um, what's it called?

Oh yeah. Like goodness, value, culinary. That's not right, is it? That's not right. I'm in the right ballpark. It's like the tomato debate, but you know, I also quite like green beans. You know, I think this segment's gone for too long. It has. I'm really gonna have to cut this down dramatically. We're just naming vegetables at this point.

What are the vegetables? Can we name? Keep going. Carrots, can you name another vegetable? Right. We should really, we should really add this. Go on. Okay.

Ding ding ding. It's parenting achievement time. Do you like my very professional sound effect? I did. Parenting achievement time. No, we're not established singing. This is the jingle. Oh. But I like singing it. Fine. Sure. It can be the official jingle. Okay. This is the segment where we tell a story That's funny.

It's relatable moment. Um, I, I, I haven't got anything prepared. Is there anything funny that's happened this week? Oh, there's tons of stuff. Um, recently. Just big shout out. National Train Museum. Your great place to take the kids. I think I probably mentioned it before. I've realized, sorry, sorry to interrupt.

Um, I realized we always do this and just to, you know, for case accuracy, um, it is the National Railway Railway Museum. Ah, not the National Train Museum. I, I even thought I was saying it more correct than normal. 'cause normally I'd just go train museum. Yeah, yeah. Everyone knows what you mean. We, we all go, you know, the train museum.

Train museum. But yeah, sorry. Yes. Went to recently had a great time and we let. Lily pick a toy from the museum shop. Um, and she's very kind and she was also like, oh, we need to get Lola W So we got, what did we get? Lola? Did we get Lola a present? Yeah. It was going on a fluffy little animal. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is bad. See, we wasted money. We can't even remember what we got. Lola. It is not cheap at the museum. I know it's not, but Lily was like, we need to get Lola something too. So we got her little puppy. Anyway, Lily got this train and when I first turned it on, oh, maybe. Elliot Elliot can get it later and put a soundbite in of what it actually sounds like.

Oh yeah, yeah. We'll, we'll just stay tuned for a minute and I'll surprise you with it in a second. Yeah. But anyway, it's like a plastic train that's got some lights. I'll describe it to you. It's got a battery so you can understand. When I first turned it on, I thought it was broken 'cause it makes such a high pitch screeching noise.

I was like, oh, that one doesn't work. Then I kept put to try another one. I was like, oh no, that's the sound it's been designed with at the start. It's just like, you would think it would sound like a train, like a, you know, chug, chug train. Yeah. I mean, it's a modern looking train, so maybe it sounds more like, I don't know, click track.

No, I generally think it was made in China or something because well, probably, I mean, everything is, but when you turn it on. It has this at the start, and then it has this almost like communist fascist kind of song going on. I never put that together, so in my head I was like, it's that unpleasant. Well, it is.

It's quite loud and not the nicest thing to listen to, but I wouldn't say it like that. What puts me up, it, it just always makes me laugh 'cause I was like, I don't know why they've chosen this sound to go with this train. Yeah, yeah. Seems kind of strange. So, you know, we went, we went to get a nice toy. Yeah.

We thought it was gonna be a nice, you know, thing. Make a nice sound. And of course she wants to play it constantly. So we'd now got this thing on our house. We go off, it's more embarrassing from the train museum till we got the trainer home. She played. But she hid it in her lap. So like people were going past looking like, where is this noise coming from?

Here you go. Do you wanna hear the sound? Here it is. Are you ready? Better prepare yourself. Maybe just, you know, if you've got like headphones in that are pretty loud, maybe just, you know, just be prepared. You know, dogs who like don't like strange noises.

Yep. That was our treat recently. Yep. And I know bad parents. Why did you let them get it? Fail? Yeah. Kind of thing. And normally like we're quite Montessori so we didn't like plastic toys either. But you know, we've now got this loud plastic thing. Tell you what though. Lola loves it. Well of course. 'cause it's a flashing lights, loud noise plastic is lovely.

Of course she likes it. No, whenever I need like a few moments, peace. I just put, I mean it's not peaceful 'cause that terrible thing's making you noise. Yeah. Peace. Good With sweet peace. Like, you know, I don't have to physically do something. I literally just put it on the floor near her and turn it on.

Yeah. Yeah. And she just, I don't, she, she doesn't know what to make of it though. 'cause I've seen her pick it up and like just whack it on a table. Like, oh yeah, yeah. But, uh, let us know, is it relatable? Have you ended up with a funny toy? Have you got a toy that makes a weirder noise than us? Oh, that, yeah.

Fun. Fun game. Mm. Send in any toy that sounds stranger. We'd love to hear from you. Connect with us on Instagram or wherever you like, you know, send us a message.

Rise, get a Bim bagg out and do a big clear out of all the old toys and clothes that your kids have outgrown, tidy up, oh, just chuck it all away. Or give it to a cherry shop, you know? And let's dive into our conversation for today. That was something I was gonna say, uh, to start things off. Oh, yes, I remember.

So we have done. A few episodes on food before on the podcast we have, yeah. It's a recurring conversation that we do keep coming back to. Um, so, you know, um, do go listen to the other ones if you want. No pressure. I'm, I'm not forcing you, but, well, we can't check. Yeah. It is not necessary to have done your homework, but we do have two other episodes, particularly that focus on food.

Yeah. One called Picky Eaters and one called Sweet Potato. But yeah, this is a, a specific topic that we thought would be good to revisit. In the category of food, um, because we've not talked about it since Lola was born. Yeah, true. And it's um, I think quite interesting 'cause it's a different experience for us.

Second time around, I suppose also worth mentioning, we do have our episode, if you want to know about like the backstory in the history with our finding out. Lola had Oh yes. Cow's milk, protein allergy. So there's that whole conversation that leads into the start of this as well for context. Right. Okay.

Get into the meat of it. Yeah, yeah, let's do that. So I suppose. One difference is that the, the motivation for starting early and when we say early, I think it was about four and a half months. Again, it was Yeah. Very similar to Lily was a sort of different motivation. We thought it'd be helpful to introduce her to Solids sooner.

Yeah. Because she'd been quite sicky and 'cause she's never been a fan of. The milk she's on for cow's, milk, protein, algae from now on, I'm just gonna say CMPA, just so it's CMPA, but people know that's what, that's what that is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's never been a fan of that. So people who don't, maybe, like, if they don't have a child who's had it, they don't seem, understand that her milk doesn't bring her any comfort.

Mm. I I think people find it weird, like if she got vaccines or something, if she gets upset, like she bumped her head. My, I think my dad was like, oh, give her a bottle. And I was like, it's not gonna make her feel better. Yeah. Because to her, like she'll drink it. But it's, it's like I, I've tasted it, it tastes disgusting.

So that's because she's on her special formula Yeah. That is prescribed because it doesn't have the cows milk protein allergy in it. Yeah. So, um, and it tastes disgusting. It tastes disgusting. So we were quite keen to get her on food that she did enjoy. Mm. Um, it takes the pressure off because for a long time it was a big challenge to get her to drink.

Yeah. Um, for a long time, you know, um, either it was, you know, the, at first. Her reacting with her allergy to milk, and then once we switched onto the the correct formula, it just was horrible for her to drink. So either way, it has always been a bit of a struggle. And so actually the comfort for us knowing that she's consuming, you know, some nutrients in a different form.

Yeah, yeah. It just makes us feel a bit better about what she's taking in. Hmm. And of course in a very typical fashion, Lola is our second child. So as we predicted before we had her this time round, you know, it's certainly been much less. We just kind of chuck stuff at her like it's been a, we haven't got the time and energy and like everything to put as quite as much effort in no, as we did the first time around.

I think from like my Instagram stories, people think it's a lot of effort, but it's literally me cooking a meal for myself and I just. Give her the bits on the side. Yeah. So for instance, like I, I'm trying to be healthy, so I normally have a steak and then green beans or like sweet potato or, yeah, yeah.

Like we said at the beginning with our vegetables. Yeah. And then I just sectioned some off and just plop it in front of her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. That's now at about nine months. Um, but like when we first started, can you even remember like. What we gave her, first of all, to eat what her first food.

We, we, we did a bit different from Lily. We actually did do some of those pouches. Oh yes, of course. Whereas with Lily, we started on solid straightaway. Mm. Whereas I was like, she's been so sick. Mm-hmm. I just want to get something and her not make a throw up. Yeah. So this is where we had a bit of a disagreement.

We did. Yeah. Because I really disagreed with, with the like doing the pouches and I was very, I was like, why are we doing this? We don't do pouches in our household. Yeah. He didn't like it. Oh, grumpy little man. Grumpy old man. Mm. Um. So we started on the pouches. Yeah. And she, she took to them fairly well.

Yeah. But then once we introduced real food, she was like, well, am I having a pouch? Yeah. Yeah. She, yeah. She naturally, um, you know, herself chose baby led weaning Yeah. Uh, of the options available to her. And so by six months she was, yeah, she was. Picking food up by herself and would reject pouches or spoons or anything.

Yeah. Well, even now, like the other day, this is what I was gonna mention, she's quite, not picky, but she's a bit of a food snob. So like yesterday I tried to make my life easy, so I got her like, um. One those, I dunno if it's Ella's kitchen or if it was like Angel, you know, as his own one. It was like a cottage pie, but yeah, pre-made like baby premade food in a pout in a thing, and I was really excited because it had no soy in it had no like any milk in, yeah.

I was like, oh, this would be great. She had two spoonfuls of it and then was just like, no. Don't like it later that day, I made her basically the same thing, but me making it and she ate it. Yeah. I was just like, food's not way of the world. She was like, you haven't made it. Don't want it. Yeah. Like you say, she's.

She's not pickier like she will. She eats loads of stuff. Oh yeah. Huge diversity. But she does like to play with her food. She doesn't want it a particular time. She will just throw it on the floor. Oh yeah. Yeah. She's a lot messier. A lot messier. Yeah. She likes to play like Lily was very intentional, like just quite calm.

She'd sit there, she'd look up food, she'd pick it up, be like, Hmm, yes, I'd like to eat this. You put it in her mouth. Yeah. Lola's just like a. She's a second child. She's like a wild thing. So she'll just get very excited and like kind of, you know, wave food about, throw it around. Yeah, put it in her face, put it all down her lap, spill stuff over herself.

She's like, what? I'm having a great time. It start eating it really nicely. And you're like, oh great, she's eating really well. And then something happens when I think she gets too excited and she just like starts hitting the table like a monkey, like hands up and down. And then, then the food's going everywhere and I'm like, you were just sat eating nicely.

I dunno. I dunno what happened. Yeah. I got really excited. Yeah. And you're just like, ah,

uh, yeah. So not really related to allergies, but just how you know, the experience has been quite different for us. Yeah. This time with a second one. Um, and maybe that's just quite a common thing. It's kind of what we predicted, but I think it's very stereotypical. It's, but funny I was gonna say it has been a lot trickier.

So with Lily, we basically were like, well, 'cause she really liked Greek yogurt. Like there was lots of stuff that just became staples of her breakfast and stuff. Mm. Whereas with, with Lola, we've only just now started giving her, um, like almond yogurt. Mm. That I found from, I think it was Sainsbury's. Yeah.

Okay. Let, let's dive into this then. So, like, specifically with allergies, how have we found the weaning process like. Clearly it's, it's like been more difficult 'cause there's less options available to us. Yeah. How have we found that? Um, I think we've, we've like adapted so it's easier than it was, but it's still tricky.

It, my main thing, I don't know, this is a side point that is tricky, is trying to give the girls similar meals. Mm. Because obviously Lily doesn't eat dairy free and it would be insane to make her eat. Dairy free as in A, she wouldn't really like it and B, it's more expensive. Yeah, true. So because of the way Lola is, I want, I want them to have similar things.

Mm-hmm. So like it doesn't feel unfair. Yeah. At the same time, I'm like, well, it's really hard to find things that are the same. Yeah. Spike. I mean, I thought going into it, I thought, oh, I'm not sure how much this will make a difference, because, you know, I suppose I was trying to think through what, what do they eat when they're weaning?

Well, they have sort of like vegetables and home cooked food and like, you know, stuff. Yeah. I just, I don't think I'd really paid attention to how much, how many things milk and soy. Yeah. And so I just hadn't really kind of realized all the things that, that ruled out. Yeah. So what, what really shocked us was bread.

Yeah. Quite a lot of bread to soy in. Yeah. Particularly cheap bread. Yeah. That's what we've found. If you go up in price range, it normally is better. Yeah, definitely. Um, for having less allergens in it. Yeah. Which is slightly depressing. Depressing, depressing, depressing. Yep. And like you were saying, you know.

I think there were a lot of things, not immediately, but certainly once you get past, you know, six, seven months that, um, we could start introducing with Lily that made life easier. So things like yogurts or, you know, just things that made like breakfasts easier or stuff like that. Whereas there's quite a few things that, you know, that ruled out because of that, or when cooking meant.

Or how do we replace this ingredient in this meal? Yeah. And like you were saying, do we do it for all of us? How do we do it? Is it gonna affect the taste? Yeah. Um, so do you wanna talk about sort of substitutions and replacements? So yeah, what we've done, I would say, um, what, 'cause we, we normally, and I know this is not what every everybody does for paper bread, we, but we generally now just make a meal and she has some of the meal, as I said before.

Yeah. So we could now have like, go-to. Things. So what we often do is we just make our own curry. So you just use coconut milk and then you have, um. Like a curry paste. Yeah. And then that just makes a curry, which is a lot easier. Yeah. It just means we can't use like pre-bought jars. Yeah. You can't use pre-bought jars, which again, I suppose you know, is better.

Like Yeah. It's probably healthier for you. It is good that we're being forced into not, and with Lily, I don't think we did use a lot of this prepackaged. No that I think we did cook a lot ourselves 'cause we were a lot more cautious about added ingredients about sugar and salt and stuff like that, that we didn't want to give her.

Uh, just this time around we're just, we're not as bothered. No. Because we want an easy life. It's difficult with two kids. Yeah. And yet we want to choose the easy option and we can't. We we're like, it's got stuff in we can't do the easy thing like pasta. She loves pasta. I say all the kids take after Elliot.

'cause he's a huge. Carb slash pasta lover. Mm-hmm. Um, and they, I mean, pasta is just a really good hand food, isn't it? To grab and pick up. It's easy. Yeah. Um, so that's a, that's a good one for both kids. Was gonna say, this isn't a sponsor, but we found, um, cheese wise Cathedral City do a vegan cheese. Yeah.

That's grated. And Lola loves that. Mm-hmm. So even, and it is quite messy, but what I often do is, um, 'cause it's got protein in it and that I just put a, a, like a handful. On her little tray and, um, she just loves picking that up in eating in it. Mm. Like it's really handy for her to picker and it's handy for if we're doing past or something so she can have cheese in it.

Mm-hmm. So that's like, that's a, a good product we get is that one. Yeah. I mean it's helpful in a way that there are a lot of vegan products now. Yeah. 'cause that sometimes opens the door to moola things. Yes. But in other ways it doesn't. Mm-hmm. Because a lot of vegan things, a lot of it's soy are made with soy.

So that rules it out for us. Yeah. And, and whilst not every cow's milk, protein allergy, uh, you know, baby will. Also be allergic to soy. They are separate things, aren't they? But like they're very heavily linked and I would say most children with cos milk protein allergy will be allergic to soy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like, because they're chemical. Um. I don't even know the science properly, but because the chemical is similar, like it's similar looking in the way that it is, it often causes the same religion. Yeah. Yeah. So they say it's about, I think it's quite high. It's about like 70% will be Mm. So it, yeah. The likelihood is they would have a reaction to soy.

Yeah. Yeah. Um, which means it's very annoying 'cause there's brands like Alpro and it's basically all soy. Yeah. So you'll put in like, I often put in as a cheat, I'm like dairy free. Yeah. Into normally. 'cause I'm ordering it like on the app, um, from whatever shop we're doing. And you're looking and you're like, all of this is soy.

She can't have any of this. It's a real challenge. I mean, we've called this episode Dairy Free, but you know, actually a lot of the stuff that is labeled dairy free, she still can't have. Yeah. And it's really hard because they're not obvious on the labeling. Hard soy free. It's hard. It's hard for other people.

So like our parents and stuff, it's really hard. Now I just normally bring her own stuff. Yeah. But it's hard if they want to cook for a one. I, I have to be like, well, she can't have, like even though you've looked into it and it's dairy free, it might not be soy free, so it'll still make her ill. Yeah. And it's not worth our while making her ill.

Um, the grandparents, you know, they go to the free from section. Yeah. They find stuff and you know, it says free from dairy, whatever. They're like, great. Yeah. And that's what you, you'd think? Yeah. Yeah. Like I don't ever blame people 'cause it's not something if you don't have a child with it, you don't know.

Yeah. But it does mean we're a lot more cautious, you know, we're, it is tricky, like going out for meals. Well, I was gonna say really tricky. I was gonna say this is one of our, our main differences. Going out for meals with Lily was very easy. Yeah. Because you could be like, we'll have some chips. We'll have, yeah, whatever.

It's pasta. Um. Because she didn't have any allergens. It didn't really matter. Yeah, like, you know, you could ask for some toast or something. You normally, there's something at a restaurant you could ask again, depending on the age, but whereas Lola, if you asked for bread, you'd have to be like, well, does it have soy in, obviously?

Um. If you're a regular listener here, you'll know Emma is gluten-free as well, so we've got another allergy at play. Yeah. But particularly I think it frustrates you that like there is a lot of vegan stuff out there. Yeah. And quite often places will offer vegan alternatives to stuff. Yeah, true. And that's like, that's great.

I'm glad they're getting some options. But like there's people. Actual allergies that Yeah. That aren't available. No, it's true. Like, you know, we'll often go to the place and somewhere and it'll be like, well, we've got a normal option and a vegan option. It's like, well, do you have gluten free or do you have dairy free?

It's like, no, no. It's like, okay. Or like, you can work it out for yourself, but Yeah, because half my thing's just labeling stuff. Yeah. I'm just like, if, if you could put a clear indicator what I, and I'm like, I'm not asking for a lot. It's cooked in your kitchen, you should know what's in it. Mm. So I, I just want a full list of ingredients.

To be like, this is everything that's gone into it. So then I can look and go, oh. And I get like, you might use a source that's pre-made and therefore, but I'm like, I, I think you could work that out. Mm-hmm. Because I think a lot of stuff, they haven't labeled it and then you have to almost cross question them.

Yeah. To be like, and, and my problem is I don't always believe them because I think sometimes they just want an easy life and they're like, oh yeah, yeah, it's fine. And in my head I'm like. Beyond, like, you are not the one who's gonna have an ill child. No. You might think we're being a little bit paranoid and you might think that, but I suppose part of the thing is, you know, we have had some instances where we have unintentionally poisoned her.

Poison it. Yeah. Um, and you Yeah. I'm gonna ask, it happens at least once every two months. Yeah. Yeah. That we give her something that she shouldn't have had. We don't realize, you know, we, we, like whatever reason it is. Yeah. It's not never, you know, it is no one's fault, but it, it does happen. And at the beginning.

For a while you were breastfeeding. Yeah. And were, um, you had to eat dairy free. I did. In order that your milk was then free from cow's milk protein. Yeah. And so Lola could have it. And um, you only did that till six months. Yeah. But in that timeframe Oh yeah. You also had that challenge Yeah. Of needing to eat the same diet that Lola now eats, which in some ways it was quite handy.

'cause I think it, it set us up well for. Knowing what was dairy free. Mm-hmm. Um, like it was quite handy that I had to cook for myself before she was really eating much. Yeah. So that I could learn. But the amount of times you accidentally ate stuff Oh, yeah. With soy milk and the amount of times like, and once again, a lot of it's restaurants because they just don't, and it's, I think it's hard because.

At that time I also wasn't as like, um, paranoid. Yeah. Whereas I, I slowly got more paranoid because I realized that like, they often say stuff is and has other stuff in and yeah, it's, it's a challenge. It's just what comes with having a baby with allergies and, you know, I'm very grateful, you know, in, in some ways we're blessed that it is not more serious.

You know, some people do have a lot more serious allergies. We often talk about like. This is challenging with Lola. How, you know, how would we cope if she had like, you know, a really a serious peanut allergy or whatever. Well, even like if it was egg or something. Yeah. Because we really rely on eggs in a lot of our recipes.

Yeah. And I keep being like, what? What if she also was allergic to that? Or what if she had that as an allergy? Mm. So, yeah, do let us know if you've got a different allergy or Yeah. Something in addition to, again, 'cause like you can have multiple allergies at once. Yeah. It's like, it's always really challenging.

It is really difficult. Um, I'd say what we normally do now, which is because I'm paranoid, we just often bring our own food places. Oh yeah. Because it's easier. We take stuff with us than, than being like, I'm gonna trust that they've done everything. Yeah. Which sounds cynical. I feel like it sounds mean, but I'm like, I think there's a lot of cross-contamination.

I think people don't often understand how serious it is. Well, we, you know, even excluding that, you know, just we can be reassured and feel happy that, you know, we've prepared the food. We know what she's having. We've got no one else to blame then. Yeah, exactly. Know if she does get ill. It is just sensible.

It's not necessarily about distrusting everyone else, but just Yeah, true. Wanting to, you know, the best for Lola. I think it's a very sensible way to approach it. I take, I think it takes the worry out of, if we're going somewhere, I'm like, oh, she's Kate for, 'cause we've brought it with us. Yeah, yeah. It adds another, you know, complication in the works when it comes to things like.

Can the grandparents take care of the, you know, her buyer themselves and stuff like that? Not many people could at the minute. 'cause she won't drink with anybody else. No, exactly. I mean, there's all sorts of things that, you know, we give her a cup of her oat milk. Yeah, oat milk. Um, chill down that sit down, she'll pour it all down her mouth and we'd be like, gobbling it up, like, wow, this is tasty.

Yeah. And we started, at the minute we put sometimes a little bit of oat milk in with a formula. Yeah. Yeah. Helps. Good. Turn of bit. So we're, we're very much looking forward to like when she hits like a year Yeah. You know, that period where she begins to wean off formula altogether. Yeah. And we'll be onto milk.

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That's obviously a faith thing, and this isn't necessarily a faith focused place, but just, you know, what, what words do you like to use to describe. Faith, are you happy with like Christian or what sort of thing? Emma. And, um, what do you think makes us different from stereotypical Christians? I think I, it's really difficult because I used to always just be like, oh, I'm just a Christian.

I'm like, I don't identify anything else now. I normally say it, I'm like, kind of Methodist is what I go for. Oh, really? You actually go one step, like one step narrower because I feel like. Uh, it sometimes gets a bit wishy-washy. Yeah. Um, and I do like to be like, I just, 'cause really, if it was up to me, I'd be like, well, I just believe in a God.

Yeah. But I feel like that gives nobody context to what I believe in. Mm-hmm. Really. Um, and, and in today's like the state of the world and society, it's really hard. Like if you say Christian, I. Some people will jump to like the American, like nationalistic, you know? Yeah. Evangelicals, you know, white supremacist type of Christian who supports Trump, and it's like, yeah, I'm, I'm not one of those.

Yeah. So like, you want to, I dunno, for me personally, like I, well I think, and I also, in England, it has almost not the opposite connotation, but you imagine like a little old lady going to church. Yeah, yeah. I know what you mean. Like people are like, oh, my grandma's Christian. We're not that either. No. Yeah.

So you go a Methodist. That's interesting. Yeah, I normally do. I go with like. I think I prefer like the word faith or, or like you say God, but again, that's kind of got connotations, but like, yeah, I avoid maybe like Christian these days a little more. It's hard, isn't it? What words to use? Like in my area of work, I sometimes use the word like deconstruction or like faith shifting to imply.

That are sort of inclusive, open-minded. Mm-hmm. Like we're not dogmatic or we're not like, oh, yeah, no. About strict rules. But it's really hard to try and get that across sometimes. Yeah. I think that's true. And I think it's hard because we, we've also come from different Christian backgrounds, so people know you originally a Baptist.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm originally like an Anglican. Yeah. So, yeah, I know if people dunno much about Christianity, you'll have no idea what those words mean anyway. Yeah, true. Mean basically a lot of jargon, isn't it? I came from the church that most people associate with church in England. Yeah. Um, whereas I come from like a little.

Most people won't know what yours is. Yeah. Even though it's like fairly mainstream, it's still pre, I feel bad because if a Baptist listening, they're like, Hey, people know, I, they might, in America it's small. Even Methodism small. Yeah. Like it's all small. It is like, yeah. The, the only thing people know about Methodists is that they think they don't drink.

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We are not touched on here in our. We won't go into a lot of detail 'cause we wanna focus on the food. Yeah. But like there is the milk ladder as well. Yeah. And like every so often returning to see if she still has the allergy to introduce those allergens back in. Yeah. At the moment she's failed every time.

Every time. Yeah. Very, very small amount. So yeahs not Disney, have a lot of roles of reaction. Yeah. We find it really interesting talking to other people who've had this or have dairy allergies to hear like, yeah. When did you grow out of it? Yeah. Have you still got it? Like some people it lasts for a year.

Some people it lasts through childhood. I, I've met a lot of people who their child was about three or four Yeah. When they got over it. So I keep having to, in my mind, be like all that. It might be a longer term, but not a long, long term thing. Yeah, yeah. Um, like obviously for some people it will remain for their lifetime.

Yeah. Yeah. But it seems like nearly everyone we've spoken to, they have grown out of it at some point. Yes. Yeah. Like that's quite a high percentage just it seems like later than, it's just a lot of varies. A lot of the professionals have told us like, oh, one try again. A lot of them grow out of it by one, but I mean, we'll be quite happy if, you know, as with other people we've spoken to with kids in similar positions where.

You take a few steps up the ladder. Yeah. So like they can consume some soy milk in various forms. Exactly. Yeah. But not a lot. And I definitely think her reaction is slowly changing. So, um, before she couldn't really eat beef. 'cause once again it's a similar one. Protein Yes. Protein to um, and cow's milk obviously 'cause same animal.

Um, but she now can eat beef Fine. Yeah. If that's proven. And she doesn't seem to be as. Throw uppy, sicky, it seems to more be like she's a little bit sick and then has like more like diary stomach problems. Mm-hmm. Which I know for most people that's unpleasant, but for us it's an improvement because before she would throw up like her entire bottle of milk and I'd worry she wasn't getting anything.

Whereas at least I'm like, well it has gone through her system. Yeah. Like it might be. Diarrhea, but she, she's not like, it's not as bad a reaction as it was. So I do, I do think there is some slow improvements happening. Question for you. What's your top recommended recipe when it comes to doing dairy free baby led weaning?

Hmm. I think the Curry's a good one. Curry, um, which I did talk about briefly before. We rely a lot, I'll be honest, on toast, that we can put things on. Oh, she really likes risotto. Oh yeah, yeah, like risotto was a big hit. Um, and what we use, isn't it LM, Elmley? Elmley Elmley. I never know how to say it because in my head it just looks like such a strange word.

Well, I assume that's, that's how my family say it. I assume that's how you say it. I never used it before I met you, so yeah, I'm going with your way saying it. Um, we often use that as, I mean, just clarify the, the vegan version of that. The vegan, yes. Not, not the standard version. Not that that isn't, yeah. I do apologize.

Yeah. The vegan version of that. Yeah. See, it's because I never normally used it. I only know the version we haven't. Yes. The vegan version that we normally use as like. Um, the thing to make with Otto with, yeah. Although he's the risotto maker, so he knows what, well, I normally use coconut milk, um, and like a lot of the recipes you'll look up, see, I'm completely wrong.

It's not al Well, we do, we use both, but like anything that requires. You know, because that elmley is a, is a cream replacement rather than true a milk replacement. True. So you're looking for something to thicken. Yeah. You know, rather than just add liquid. And um, I often find in recipes online particularly that are American, they often talk about coconut cream.

Yes. And that's not something, I dunno whether it's just around here or the supermarkets I go in, I've not found that to be like a staple. No, I've never found it anywhere. I've find on the shelves, I don't quite know. Again. Maybe it's like an Americanism where they're actually referring to a different product.

Do they just mean coconut milk? Yeah. Who knows. But anyway, the way I get around that is, um, you get tins of coconut milk. Mm-hmm. Which are pretty cheap. Yep. They've been really useful. Um, and rather than have them in the cupboard, stick 'em in the fridge. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and that makes them like separate. Yeah.

So like the top half goes really creamy. Solid. Yeah. Um, and the bottom half is like just water. Yeah. Um, and then you can use that top coconut cream. In in stuff. Yeah. Yeah. And it's really good to thicker it's, it's a good tip. 'cause that's a, that's what mainly what we use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of cream. I mean, it's interesting, some of those recipes you've mentioned, like.

You are attempting stuff that inherently has milk and cream in Yes. True dairy in um, you've not gone for like recipes that naturally are just uh, you know, milk free. Yeah, true. 'cause that's how we approach your it allergy sensitivity to gluten is we cook meals that just naturally don't have gluten in 'cause then we don't need to replace the flour or whatever.

True. But I think that's easier. Well, I dunno, it's easier, I dunno. It's also because Lily likes meals that are sent around. Milk. Yeah, that's true. And then we have to cater for everybody's tastes. That's hard, isn't it? Um, yeah. But I think we would be approaching this differently if Lola was our first child.

Yeah. And our only child. Yeah, you're right. It does change things that we have too, that we're trying to cook for the whole family because we don't wanna make three separate meals. Yeah. Um, I say that quite often. Yeah. You cook like a base meal, like a curry, and then you end up creating like three different versions.

Yeah. Because like Lillian, you don't really want much veg, but in it. Yeah. Um. Lola will happily have veg, but she won't have, I don't know, like depending on what we put in it, something else. Yeah. Well like you wait and then you add like, you know, cheese last minute to a separate dish. Yeah. You know, whatever.

'cause she can't have that. And Oh, what a big hit is being with Laura's fish fingers. Mm-hmm. Which people probably won't approve of because, you know, we haven't made it by herself. Again, we're trying to have an easy life. Yeah. And she, that most of them, so free dairy, free winner for us. Yeah. Put it in front of her, loves them.

Good. Good. Yeah. Um, other thing. I thought I'd say something that is kind of na Well, no, it is, it is naturally, uh, milk free. It's just surprising isn't it? Is. Um, like, again, this, again, we're not showing that we're not doing things properly properly because again, it's like sugar stuff, but like dark chocolate.

Yeah. Um, so stuff that has dark chocolate in. You know, it is not milk chocolate. It doesn't Exactly. It's very, it confuses my brain so much because I'm like, like, chocolate, chocolate has milk, milks, dairy, you know, like she can't have that. Yeah. But I'm like, no, dark chocolate is fine. Yeah. Because it doesn't, it has like, I mean, you do have to check.

Yeah, do check. But normally it is milk free normally. 'cause it's like. Cocoa butter. And again, we spent ages looking this up. It's like, but it's not, oh, I'm not kidding. We spent at least half an hour being like, cocoa butter. Does it have butter? Is coco butter in it? Butter? Does it have butter in it? Like, I was like, what does not, it doesn't, it's like peanut butter.

Peanut butter doesn't have butter. And I was like, does it need to be above a certain, like, you know, cocoa, solid cocoa, you know, percentage, can it be any dark chocolate? You know? Yeah. So, yeah. Um, just, yeah, it, because Lola's life is. Has been pretty grim with her allergy. Yeah. We often do wave, you know the sugar thing?

Oh yeah. With Lily, we tried for the first year not to have any sugar. I Right. She has a miserable time with disgusting milk. I want everything else. She tastes to be really nice. Like, I'm like, you had to drink like five times a day. Something horrible. Yeah. I would hope the rest of the day you could eat delicious things.

Mm. So it's my justification for saying we do give her quite a bit. Yeah. Not, not, she doesn't eat sugar all day. No, but I'm saying like we put. Literally when we cook like little cakes and stuff, we put dark chocolate chips in it so that it's tasty to eat. Like, yeah. So like we're not literally giving her a slab of chocolate?

No, no. It's stuff, but like it means we can flavor some stuff with a chocolate flavor. Yeah. So it's, you know, slightly nicer for her, um, by using dark chocolate. Okay. Um, opposite then. Maybe, maybe the more fun question is, is there anything you would suggest to avoid what's gone wrong? What are the recipes that are like, oh no, this is a big no-no.

Or just like failed as a, something we could do for, oh, I would say with Lily we made loads of them. Um, are they like por porridge bars? Porridge fingers. Yeah, porridge fingers. And they were a huge hit. Now, I dunno what it is about oak milk or coconut milk. But poetry fingers don't seem to go well when we make them.

Yeah. I, and we've tried it a variety, like each of us. Yeah. Not just me. 'cause I'm not, I'm notoriously a wonderful cook or a terrible cook. I've never just Okay. Um, but like, kill, we've both tried it separately. 'cause I think the first time I did it I was like, it's me. I've done something wrong. I don't know what it is.

'cause I, I remember thinking, I used do this all the time with Lily. It used to be a, a good staple for Lily 'cause it's healthy and you could make it quickly. So could you just mix milk, pour outs? Probably a bit of banana. Yeah. Took it in the microwave for a few minutes, then cut it up. Yeah. I was like, I don't understand.

I've done this so wrong. Yeah. It's gone horrendous. Some of the other stuff we've been talking about is, is later on in the journey, like more recently? Yeah. Yeah. You know, 7, 8, 9 months. But um, yeah, porridge Fingers is something that is like quite a good early food around it. Yeah, around six months. Um, and something we used quite a lot with, with Lily we did.

But yeah, no, we've tried multiple times. We need to do like a control test. Try and do it with normal milk again. Yeah. And see if it's just us being really bad at making them. But no, I've tried with coconut milk. With oat milk. Yeah, almond milk. Some reason they just don't seem to, it doesn't seem like, I dunno, it's like the way it heats up different.

Yeah. I'm not. I'm not. 'cause we're obviously, we're not scientists considering it's oats and milk. Milk is like a very fundamental ingredient. True. Yeah. Maybe not surprising. Yeah. Yeah. They just go very like mushy. Yeah. Taste it just, and Lola won't eat 'em. Yeah. So. I think that is the thing to avoid recipes that where milk is like a very essential ingredient rather than just, I say that, that we've already established we cook like risotto and stuff.

Yeah. But like in that instance, they're just, you know, they're adding, oh, it's only two ingredients. Yeah, that's true. They're adding both. They're, you know, they're not like, I, I dunno how to describe it. Like, yeah, sure. Like in creamy stuff the milk is there, but it's not like, I know what you mean. It's not carrying like the structural integrity of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. For example, like Yorkshire puddings, again, a challenge. Yeah. Yeah. Because milk is kind of quite crucial. There's only three ingredients. Yeah. We already replace one of them to make them gluten free. Yeah. The only other thing is eggs and milk. Yeah. Like if you replace the milk, the only, like the original, original ingredient left is egg.

Um, we, it's not like a girl band. They're all changed by egg stores. Yeah. Yeah. It's okay. It's like you can make 'em. Yeah. They come out very flat. They do, but they're quite tasty still. Yeah. Yeah. They're not bad. Not bad. And there's obviously, we we're not talked about the things that don't require changing, so like vegetables and stuff.

Obviously you just do the same as normal and it's fine. Like they don't have milk in. So, you know, all, all good. And the pre-bought stuff, you know, we've talked about some of the meals, but like the snacky things, like crisps, we get a lot of stuff in like vegetable crisp baby, baby food, finger. Crispy stuff like rice cake, eat stuff, you know, all those in the baby aisle at the supermarket.

You can get all sorts of stuff these days and Oh yeah, she loves some baby crisps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're, they're super handy. 'cause you can take 'em out and about. Yeah, they can still like, it's not spoonfeeding, it's still like Yeah, they're still self feeding. I don't know how much nutrition's in them, but it, it satisfies her and Yeah.

Oh yeah. Like they're nearly all free from most allergens. Yeah. So it's pretty decent. What more amuses me? I remember she was eating one and it was like, this is. So how many are recommended for one portion? And I was like, well, she's eating all of them. Yeah. So I mean, I dunno how many portions that is, but it's a lot.

What, what is interesting though is her big sister has suddenly got into baby crisps. Yeah. Lola's eating them. Yeah. Well that's been the story the whole way along, isn't it? It's, I think it's what people warned us about, really. Yeah. The older one, you know, just like relives the experience of everything.

Yeah. As soon as the baby does something, it's like, well, I want to do that. I want to get in the cot. I want have a dummy. I want do this and that. I want to eat what the baby's eating. You know? It's just, just how. I just was like, you know, these are quite expensive crisps and you can eat. Yeah, like toddler, you can eat toddler crisps, which are a lot cheaper.

Yeah. They're expensive. Like they're pobe ones. He's like, I really like the tomato crisps. And I'm like, well, they're probably more healthy, but they cost more me a lot of money. Yeah. Well, I mean, and it is handy that. I can now, if I take the girls out by myself, I can be like, well, I'll just bring the baby.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So if you're like right at the beginning of the weeding journey right now, um, don't necessarily take all of our recipes. Yeah. Make sure you look up what's appropriate for different ages on the topic of like dropping named brand things. You know, I think that's what people are here for, to hear recommendations.

Um, and one of the main things that, like the big switch outs that is. You know, really good one that's worked really well that we haven't mentioned yet, is obviously the replacement for butter. Oh yeah. The, uh, like, what's it called, like vegetable flora? Yeah. We use flora. Um, which is perfect. You know, it is, it's really good.

It's not too expensive. She's never had a reaction to it. It tastes fine. Like we can all have it. Like, it just, you know, works really well. Goes in everything. And even for baking. Yeah. Yeah. I would say it's good for everything. Yeah. If Flora wanted sponsor us, we would happily be sponsored because we use it literally every day and our fridge is full of it.

Yeah. Yeah. It's 'cause we do so much cooking with it and baking though. It's just, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because like with milk, you do need butter for a lot of things. Yeah. Um, it goes on everything. So again, you need a really good replacement. And, and that's, you know, in some ways that's been a really easy switch out compared to the milk where we've, like, we've tried different milks.

Yeah. We try to work out what worked. You know, some milks work best in different scenarios. Yeah. The butter is just like, well, we just switch our normal butter for this and that. That one's fine. And it's easy 'cause it's like a known brand. I can tell people get Flora in. Yeah. Whereas I worry about if I go, oh, get a substitute, they might get one that isn't necessarily suit.

Yeah. It's very specific. You need to get this exact thing, but yeah. Yeah. People know Flora so. Yeah, really good. Um, and you know, it's gonna be available in like shops and stuff, so yeah, it'd be available everywhere if you're away or traveling, you know, you can get hold of it. Yeah. That sort of thing. It be true.

It's also, it's hard doing recommendations like this because, you know, shops change recipes. Like, well this is what I always worry about saying that, and I don't know, like if the shop near you is gonna be the same if they're gonna stock it. Yeah. I don't know. When you are listening to this, it might have changed by then, so.

Yeah. Like brands are pretty decent, but like it's really hard to recommend stuff like that. Brands. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was just gonna do an overall shout out for him, which is annoying 'cause they're expensive, but Waitrose does seem to have some of the best. Allergy free stuff. Mm. Like they seem to a, have like bigger vegan ranges that don't actually have soy in.

Right. They seem to have, uh, just much better things that you can like, ugh. Yeah. I think that's a good shout. You know, like it's annoying that the more expensive stuff is. Mm. You know, but it is, if you're struggling to find things in your local supermarket or whatever, like. It might be worth having a look at one of the more fancy places like Waitrose, like we, because they might have something fairly regularly do like just a, an Uber order.

Just from Waitrose. Yeah. And we just order like literally just a ola so she has more variety. Mm-hmm. Um, I mean, and that's something to just mention, isn't it? And highlight that. Because of the allergy, like it is costing us more. Yeah. Like there is more money involved and we're fortunate to be in a position where, you know, this time around we act, you know, we've, we earn more than we did when we had Lily and like, we're quite well off and, and in a, a position where we, it doesn't affect us too much to be forking up more for the special Yeah.

Food items. But you know, for other people it might be a significant. You know, budgetary thing where, well even like, 'cause Waitrose is quite far away. We don't go there regularly. We're like, well, we'll just Uber it to the house. Yeah. That's an added cost as well. Yeah. Like if you don't live somewhere, like if you were somewhere rural, yeah.

It would be very difficult. Mm. We can't do anything about it, but recognizing our own privilege. Mm-hmm. Um, people might be listening to this and actually thinking the opposite though. Like, it, it might not, you might think we're making a bigger deal of it than it is. Like if you live in a city Mm. You know, maybe there's loads of options.

Oh yeah. Maybe you've got lots of choice of shop to do stuff. Also you like also restaurants that are. You know? Yeah, yeah. All vegan restaurants, there might be tons of stuff. True, true. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sure like other places maybe are better at it and maybe the more urban you get, maybe, you know, stuff like that.

But be true. But like in rural Yorkshire mm-hmm. We didn't know. 'cause we've both lived very rurally. Yes. And we now how to. Quite big. Yeah. Yeah. Because we, we both come from the countryside, so it is harder, like we found that just generally like with your gluten-free allergy. Yeah. You know, when you're in rural places, the choices are limited.

Yeah. And that does mean you're a bit, you know, uh, yeah. But it does mean we're used to. Even for you taking stuff with us. Yeah. Yeah. And catering for ourselves. We don't rely or assume when we go somewhere that they will necessarily have something for you. Yeah.

A little section at the end. We normally do, we, we don't have much to share, but like comments from listeners or things people have sent in. We like to just give a little space to try and include you in the conversation and, um, make sure it's not just us talking into the void. So I, I think we had maybe one comment that came in about.

Topic. So this is, um, you know, in relation to weaning and you know, just thinking of allergies generally. Um, someone, a friend who's got a similar aged baby around nine months or so, I think. Yeah, yeah. Um, and saying that this time round they've been doing more preloading of spoons in order to ensure that they're introducing allergens, like things like peanuts and things.

Yeah, true. So that's an interesting topic that we've not touched on a lot here, which is like allergens generally. And about how, like you were encouraged to Yeah, yeah. Introduce babies to those things very early. Um, and we know that and did a lot of that with Lily. Yeah. I, this time around also, I didn't even use a spoon, um, like not best parenting, but I often used to just like get a blob of peanut butter on my hand and just.

Put my finger out and Lola would just suck it off my finger and I would laugh. She's had peanut butter again, so. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, I think it's important, you know, we might be paranoid about the allergens that she's allergic to. Mm-hmm. But that hasn't changed how we approach introducing her to other stuff.

We're still absolutely fine to like purposefully expose her to other things. Well, it's really good. She's not reacted to anything else we've given her. So like she's eats eggs fairly regularly and then most stuff, she's fine. Peanut butter. She's been fine with a good, good tip and piece of advice. And you know, especially like if your child's at an age where they wouldn't necessarily, like Lola's quite good.

Now you can put peanut butter on toast and she'll eat it, but yeah. In the early days, it's hard to make sure, you know, they've had the allergen. Okay. Well, thank you for listening. I hope you've enjoyed, uh, this conversation. Ramblings, we'd love to hear from you if you have a different opinion, if you've got other recommendations, if we've missed something important.

Yeah, anything like that. Any closing remarks? Um. Um, I don't think so. I don't think I can think of anything. Well, that was worth the wait. I know. I was gonna think if I got any pretty stories, but I feel quite like under the weather, so I just wanna go. Aw. I like, I like talking to you, but I just wanna go.

We better sign off then and she's had enough of me. Well, thank you for joining us in Professor Sprout's Greenhouse today, on this hot, sunny day, or you know, whatever it is. Uh, God bless. Sleep well and don't wait. The Baby five Stars Perfect podcast.