Midlife Marauders

Living the Dream (Golf Bachelor Party; Luda in Vegas) vs Rise & Fall (Freaknik; Diddy)

• Will & Max • Season 1 • Episode 7

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Will & Max check in about their fitness progress and chat about:

  • Will's "refined turnup" at his buddy's bachelor party
  • Max stanning for Ludacris in Vegas
  • Breaking down Hulu's "Freaknik: The Wildest Party Never Told" documentary
  • Diddy's downfall
  • Learning to love the man in the mirror


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Welcome to Midlife Marauders with Will & Max Hey, hey, hey, what's up? Not that it's been a while it's been a while. It's been too long the streets are clamoring for us. Every day I get, hey, when's the next podcast, you know what's up? Well, you know, because we got our day jobs. So we got lots of things we need to take care of. But you know, for all the listeners out there our podcast is important to us. So we're gonna do it as life allows us to do it. So here we are again. So I think we should do a check in after our last podcast. You know what, man and see where we're at with that. Have we made any changes? Any differences? What you got going on there, Max? Yeah, so if people haven't listened our last podcast we interviewed Ann Brennan who is a friend of mine, and also a personal trainer. So she gave us a lot of great tips on what we can do to, you know, have more exercise and fitness in our lives. And for me, in particular, I've been struggling with time management, so I often don't work out. So since that time, I've given it a lot of thought. I've done some of what she said, which was like, exercise snacking. So yeah, so the snacking means like little short bursts of exercise during the day. So I've done more of that. But I actually ended up quitting my gym because I don't use it enough. So I'm still trying to find that exercise that I like, what really hit home for me with talking to her was, you know, needing to find something that I really enjoyed so that I would stick to it more and then not committing maybe to a whole hour of exercise. So I'm still trying to sort that out. But how about you? Yeah. So I started to get into a system or a way of money to eat a lot healthier. Yeah, so I mean, I think that's more than half the battle. So I'm trying to eat well, lighter, you know, just mainly proteins and greens. And you're cutting back on your sugar? Yeah, well, I've been kind of cutting back on that for a while. I slip up every now and again when I order, like a mixed drink at a bar or something like that. But I don't drink sodas and stuff like that at home and any of the drinks that I have will probably be sugar free drinks and stuff like that. Drinks always was a difficult part for me. But wait, so when did you stop? When I was drinking a soda? Oh, probably about Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I've always kind of curtailed it a little bit. I always feel bad about drinking soda. So I would say pretty hardcore probably about two months ago, two or three months ago. But yeah, I don't I don't I don't eat a lot of like sweets and ice creams and chocolates and stuff like so that's not difficult to cut out. It's mainly the drinks for me. But yeah, I've been like I said, eating a lot of proteins and greens and stuff like that. And I have been hitting the gym. I did run into a little bit of a snag. About a week ago I did something to my shoulder. So Oh no. Yeah. It might be thinking maybe a rotator cuff issue. And I think that might have stemmed from my recent passion for playing golf. So so that has nothing to do with go to the gym. No, no, no, no, I will touch on this a little bit later. But I came back from a bachelor party slash guys trip to Pinehurst North Carolina will we play? Oh, that's okay. Yeah, we play golf. About that. Yeah. Tell me about. Yeah, it was fun. Super fun. It was eight of us. I was probably the third I was the third oldest, there was a gentleman. There was a couple years older than me, and then the groom's father was there. But the other gentlemen were in their early 40s. So we didn't it wasn't like a super young crew. But yeah, we went down there. Me and two other guys. We drove the other people flew down to an ponerse is like our north of Raleigh. And so two of us to two more, including me, we drove down to care We're in North Carolina. Oh, nice. I've heard that's really Yeah, we met up. Yeah, we met up with. You remember Earl Earl, right from UVA? Yes. Shout out to Earl and kicked it with him for a little while he couldn't stay very long because he's got to, you know, family down there. He's gonna get back to. And then we're just chilling Carrie and Carrie is kind of is cool, but it's kind of like a little bit sleepy. Yeah, it's a lot of I think a lot of fam. Yeah, really good schools. I was looking at that area. Yeah. So we were like, Hey, we were like in bachelor party mode. So he's like, Well, let's turn up. So we took an Uber, down to Raleigh. And we just asked Uber driver, hey, it was a Thursday night, by the way. Hey, how many people were you with? I was with two other guys. And we were meeting the other guy's the next day. So we Uber from carrier to Raleigh. And we simply asked the Uber driver, Hey, where's the party? Where's, where's the night CNET? So he took us to the street. And little did we know it was it was, I guess, where MCs in North Carolina State students or whatever hang out at. And we said, hey, the people here look kind of young. All right, you know, there was still like carding at the bar and stuff like that. Ah, so we went to a couple of spots. And you know, it was cool. And, you know, we were doing our thing. We went to one spot, we kind of just hung out by a little bit of beer pong, blah, blah, blah. And then we met up with some other people. And I took say, Let's go across the street to this other bar. And it was a karaoke bar. Oh, cool. And you know, we my my thing, okay. I don't actually I like the carry but no key bars. I have a small room. Yeah, friends. Yeah. Now this wasn't it. This was like a full on bar with a DJ that was doing karaoke. So did you sing? I did, but not on the mic. So what's the point? Well, I mean, they were playing songs that I know. So everybody was kind of like doing like a little sing along to him. But, you know, I didn't you know, you liked it. I like to scan the room. I'm not going to replace it. And, you know, we were I was I would say I was the oldest guy in the bar. Because the other guy even in your group, the, the two guys that I was with, they're about eight to 10 years younger than me. Okay, so, but their dads, you know, and all this other stuff. So you know, it is what it is. It's like kind of even Yeah, you got married. Got kids. I think that that evens out. 800%. So we're now we turn it up with drinking. I'm scanning the room, blah, blah, blah. This guy? Right, maybe one other dude. But the energy was high. Right? So everybody like we are a little low, three top table or whatever. You know, we're drinking like cocktails, right? And everybody else is drinking like, you know, cheap beers and stuff like that. But you know, the energy is high. We know all the words to songs, and then people just start coming over and flocking to us and blah, blah, blah. Next thing you know, we had the whole bar turned up. And I was I was so proud of myself for having the energy and stamina. To what time was it? Oh, this point? No, no, no, no, Max. We probably pulled up in Raleigh, probably like 11. So it was probably a little Wow. So it was probably like midnight. And so we turn that place up, blah, blah. My buddy, my buddy. He likes to floss a little bit. So he was buying like everybody like beers upon beers upon beers. Oh, wow. So you know, people are coming over and you know, I'm not tired. Yes. I'm like, Hey, I got me. Yeah. And you know, those dads are like, Yeah, my good to go. Yeah, they're waving their family. Yeah, the kids. So everybody was good. And then we want to go into another bar. And it was slam packed with people just wall a wall. And so these aren't dance clubs right there. Bars. I don't think that kids do like dance clubs anymore. I think the most of the dancing was done by me. You know, like, you go and you dance. I think people think it's Yeah, so we went to a slam packed and now we're having a good time. My buddy's like, hey, you know, I see one guy holding like 10 beers in his house like we can always beers from and then my blessing. I bought those beers. I bought like 20 beers and Hello. Oh no, here we go. But it was fun, like, you know, and then but I did hit a wall. You know, it was around like 131 32 Were you okay? Yeah, I hung in there as long as I could. And then, you know, we got to Uber and we went back to our Airbnb. So that was Thursday night. So then Friday, we had to get up and drive to Pinehurst. Okay, so that was about an hour drive. And we get down there and we meet up with the other guys. And, you know, we're, we're in part, it's not a big town at all. And it's, it's just town revolves around the golf facility there and there's a military base, somewhere close to there. Okay, and so that's all that town is golf and military. So how many people were you meeting up with? Like, what's the total was eight. So we met up with the other five people, and including the groom, his brother, his father, and, and two more of the guy, the groom's friends. And how do you know these people? I know the groom by just being out just being around is good brother. I mean, good people attract good people. And sway. I liked people in DC area and yeah, northern Virginia area, just just being out and just talking, finding common interests. So yeah. And so yeah, we Friday, we, we didn't really do anything because we had an early tee time on Saturday, like 730 in the morning. So did we go out Friday? And how old is the groom? The groom? Is he just turned 40. He just wash it might be for you. Yeah, I think he turned 40. And it's kind of mid yeah, getting there getting there. So like I said, None of us were yelling, none of us were in our 20s or even 30s. So it was nice to do a trip like this. Where it's not a turnip fest. You know that even though you kind of turn a little bit, it's not like going to Vegas, you know, it's not like going to Vegas, you know what I mean? So the whole trip was revolved around playing golf. And like I said, I recently become addicted to golf, hence why my shoulders kind of messed up now. So Saturday, we got to play golf and it was pouring rain, but not enough to for them is really not enough for them to stop people from playing golf. So I think like if you go play golf locally or whatever and local closer courses, they won't let you allow you to play net right? But this is all about golf. And the way they've got it set up the drain is a tourist yes a tourist destination. Hey, go go play with you want to be out there go out there. So we went out there and we probably lasted about five holes and I was like drenched soaked to the ball. Okay, but no lightning, they wouldn't know they wouldn't. So we play and five holes and then as I waved the white towels I can't do this anymore. And everybody agrees so we went back to the clubhouse. We got a couple of drinks and then we went back to our world we're staying and to stay in carry no we're staying in piner so we're staying right there. reserved. So we had a little bit of a break. I got cleaned up throw change clothes and then we had another round of golf. Yeah, like 1:30pm so it stopped raining and stopped raining. We were able to play that round. Played it and it was right at the start of I think the ACC tournament or whatever so we played our golf we ate in the clubhouse, watch some games. It was cool. But then somebody said hey, let's go out and the groom was like kind of like he can paint on her so there was only one place to go this one little street that has like a couple bars. So we went out again and the the places down there very interesting. So we went down we went to this bar where everybody told us to go and we go in there and no lie the ceiling was probably about seven feet high. It felt like you felt like you were in somebody's like basement or something. Yeah, that's it because it's some old building I guess so yeah, head to bed and I'm pretty well I'm with some pretty tall guy so we come in there looking like we're avatars or something like you know like maybe like you know flip between our head and the ceiling or even less than that. And you can kind of tell like like the locals from my who's there to play golf right and you're the out of town. Yeah, we out of towners, you know with throwing our credit cards everywhere we got a shot you want to shot you want to shot so we're doing all that you know people looking at us and We had fun. We had fun, but it was It wasn't too much of a turn up a, because that's just how the place is. And B we were it was a golf centric trip. So I thought it was very cool. How we just kind of kept it mostly about golf. We did go out, but we didn't get to go out too crazy. Mainly, well, partially because we had early tee time. So we had an early tee time on Sunday as well, too. But I think that's cool. Okay, so you played three? I think that's cool, though. That's right. Because it well, I guess the groom's really in the golf, right? Yeah, he's in the golf. And this was his second marriage. So he had the big Vegas. I didn't know him back then. So he had all that he did all that before. He said, I don't want all that anymore. I just want to be with my girlfriends. You know, his father was there. His brother was there. And I love that it was it was fun. But it was restrained. It was. I hate to say I hate these uses term, but it was age appropriate. It was cool. And you had a bachelor party for yourself or somebody through it for you. Is that the kind you would want to do? Like a bachelor weekend? Well, let's not get too great. Since I've never been married, I would want the I think I would want the typical Vegas. Yeah, I would want the Vegas. But I would probably do it as half half that and half. All right, let's let's have a day or two to chill, you know, tall B, you know, and that sort of thing. So I probably half and a half is what I would say. Yeah. Well, I went to Vegas for work. Yeah, it was super fun. And I heard people who went out to karaoke there was like karaoke slash strip club. I didn't get to go to that. I mean, I didn't hear about that until after Well, let me circle back just reminded me of something when he says strip club. Now this is the only bachelor party I've ever been to where there was no strip club involvement. There is one down how many bachelor parties have you been to? Probably 545, something like that. Yeah. But we were aware of a strip club that was down there. But really, it can't be that good. It's in fine. Some people wanted to go some people that we were kind of really liked, depending on the groom to tell us what he wanted to do. And he, he didn't really want to go. So it was cool. We didn't go to the strip club. Yeah, maybe at a certain point in your life to you like, yeah, no, you're right. You're right. So I was kind of grateful for that, you know, and like I said, you know, I didn't come home, like, beat up from like partying and, you know, hung over and stuff like that. And we drove back Sunday. But yeah, it was cool. It was a sounds appropriate time golf centric. People in people our age, that's what I think we should do. You know, mainly if we're going to do stuff like that, or refine, turn up as well like to call it. Yeah. 100% sounds like an awesome weekend. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it was it was it was good. It was really good. It was really good. So Vegas was like one party after another. I mean, I was there for a conference. And so this conference is known for its parties. And so all these different companies kind of compete and there's like a happier than there's an after party. And there's a party after that. So you can just keep going. So it was super fun. And it ended with I sent you the video of ludicrous so so he performed at the Mandalay Bay. So it's like a private event. And so you know, he's like, this is a private event. So I can say whatever I want, I can sing whatever I want. So it was pretty awesome. And I thought I was there. And I was like, you know, is this really his audience? Because it was mostly, they're probably people who are in their 30s. I'd say that's probably the average age. So younger people. Mostly white, I would say probably at least 80%. Right. But these people knew all the words to his song. Yeah, I was impressed. You know, and it was in front of the pool at the Mandalay Bay. It was cool. And he was great. You know, he had like, one other guy with them and a DJ and he's in his 40s. And he's Yeah, he's, he's, he was I was really impressed, great entertainer. You know, and he's got like, some song and one of the March Madness video commercials right now. Yeah. Did you see that? Like the Nissan cameras? Yeah, that's okay. I know. That's because I just saw him. And he's in those State Farm commercials, too. Yes. Yeah. He's doing well. That's funny. You say that because it's super bowl right? Yeah, he was yeah, that's funny you say that by Ludo because, you know, I didn't really know about his his overall presence. I mean, I know Florida and you know, I love Luton love his song, but I didn't know like 100% But I did, but I didn't know how far reaching he is. Like you said you had the right And either you have these friends singing these songs and I remember talking to some people of mixed races a while ago and Ludo was actually performing out at Charlestown. I think it was like a year or so ago. And you know, some of the some of the Vipers, the crew like, Oh, I love luda. I can sing all the songs. I like Charles Town. And Westphalia. Yeah. And which is probably like an hour from me. And yeah, so they would, you know, clamoring to go and we wound up not going for some reason, but it was yeah, he's, he's far reaching eyes. He's definitely is his appeals to a lot of people. And I didn't Yeah, I didn't, I had to listen to some of the songs like I was on Spotify. Like, okay, do I know any of these songs? You know, and he's, and they're fun, you know, and but Well, it's funny to me too, is that, you know, a lot of his lyrics are kind of, you know, considered now very un-pc and inappropriate, right. And all these people who are probably saying they're so woke and stuff like that, they're all like, didn't care. They ate it all up, you know? So it's kind of interesting. Maybe it's like, what happens in Vegas? Like, what is it like move? Yeah, it's all kind of what's gonna look you from your head to your toes. Wow, man, I shot. Somebody, I think that you want to be a friend. You know, it'd be friends. Yeah. We're friends. We'll hang out with for sure for sure. Speaking of it, so is he from Atlanta. He is from Atlanta. He is from Russia. Talk about the Freaknik documentary. Watch the whole thing. I watched most of it. But so tell me why you wanted to watch it. And why it kind of piqued your interest. I wanted to watch it because I never want to throw it out there. I never went but the time of it. Did you think about going to head you heard of I hadn't heard of it? Yes. So I heard of it kind of late, though. Probably. Like when it was starting to tail off a little bit like mid 90s, late 90s. But I always thought it was a Greek thing. Right? Because a lot of the beach weekends. Same thing. It's like, it's a great. Sure. So when we were in college, did you had you heard no, I had not heard until later. But so and it was kind of a Greek thing because a lot of the the HBCUs are in Atlanta or New York, right? Correct. So I always thought was a great thing in a black college thing. And that's that was the origin of it. So I watched it because I've heard many stories about you know, Freaknik and, you know, I wanted to see what I was missing. And you know how they were going to document the whole thing and, and JD was Yeah, we talked about JD popped up again. Midlife Murata, but it was a good dog. It was a good dog. It really took me back to that time. Yeah, because they had the real foot. Yeah, you could just see how you can see how we used to dress and stuff like that, and the hairstyles and, and the clothing and all that good stuff. So for those that haven't watched it Freaknik was a party, a spring bike party that originated from some HBCU students down in the Atlanta area, who wanted an alternative to going down to Daytona Beach or wherever, for spring break. They were already there in Atlanta. They weren't leaving to go anywhere, even if they were from other places, because that's where, you know, you know, all the college students were. So I think it was so I think it was like five or six students. That kind of put it put it together. It started out as like a little picnic and sun Park. And you know, they put out flyers 1983, I think, correct. So there's a little bit they're a little bit older, correct? Yes. So they started this little small party in a park. You know, they they held the cookout or whatever, has some music put out low flyers. And it just caught wind of the other students there and Atlanta, and people just started going. And then word of mouth. Yeah, it was a lot of word of mouth. Oh, no, it was, you know, from the the Greeks, the black Greeks, they're the fraternities and the sororities. And then they just started going down there and it just became became an event and Like, like, and there was more me like artists. Sure started. Sure trying to hand out their music. Sure. Yeah, that would that was because I was using it as a marketing 100%. So you know, you will see all the setups with like T shirts and all that other stuff. And they were just waiting for people to make money. And Live Crew. Yeah, it's almost like an East Coast thing. Yeah, from Florida. And I remember those days, like, anytime, like, we would go somewhere at that age in our 20s or whatever, we go to Miami or wherever, you know, the music was, you know, there was no streaming service, it was cassette tapes, and then later on CDs. So the way that you would do guerilla marketing, which is how OutKast did it for Freaknik, they would have these cassette tapes, and it would just be like, like one song on one side and snippets of another song on the other side. And they talked about on the documentary of, like, strip joints, that was a way to get them use. Yeah, yeah. That's that culture down in Atlanta, that that's how you break in. But, you know, they, they, they came down their paths out there, cassettes, and, you know, you just hear the same outcasts on every car down there. And that's how they became big. But it was, it was good. It was a good look for the black students and anybody else that came down at the time, it was a good vibe. There was no violence from you know, what they talked about in the documentary. Everybody was just having a good time hanging out. And I think what happened was with that is got so big, and then non college students started coming down there and started changing started to change, and they just kind of lost control of it. You know, that it took over the whole town. It got to a point where you couldn't even drive around. You would just kind of park your car somewhere and you would just walk to wherever you want to go to. Yeah, so interesting, right? Because it's like, totally grassroots. Yeah. type of thing. Yeah. And they said it was kind of like their Woodstock. That's exactly what who said that. To Life crew guy, I forget his name. But Uncle Luke, he said that that was that was their their Woodstock. And yeah, it was it was it was it was good until it wasn't. And then it kind of like devolved into. You know, it just got out of control. All good things must come to it. And so then did you know people who went my and did you? So I was looking for? I couldn't think of anybody that we went to school that went like, I don't remember any stories. I'm sure people did. We gotta fight. Yeah, cuz I think it'd be interesting. But I was doing a lot of like, facial recognition, scanning. Yeah. In the documentary, and then I was like, Wait a minute. I blew my sister told me she went down there. And sure enough, she did. So So I called her and she in college when she went, Yes. Yes. So I called my sister. And I was like, Hey, did you go to freedom? And she's like, why are you asking me this? I just saw the documentary. I'm much older. See? She's younger. She's. So she's, she's 11 months ago. me so. Okay. She's my Irish twin. So she's like, Yeah, we're okay. As I. You didn't find that out? Yeah. So, you know, she knows about the podcast, and it's like, well, we're gonna talk about Freaknik on the podcast. And like, Listen, I don't want to know, any intimate stories about anything you might have done down there. You know, I'm your brother, blah, blah, blah. That was a long ago. But, you know, just give me a little gist of what happened. And she kind of she told her story of her friends or girlfriends drove down there. And it was nice. She said, 9394. So that was right at its most popular time, the big timer. And she went down there. And she said, we drove down. And we couldn't move. Once we got there. We couldn't move. So people were just partying out in the street. And, you know, dancing and drinking, blah, blah, blah, just having a good old time. And she said once the street started to clear up, they drove all the way back back to North Carolina. So I was like, wow, and she's like, you know me like I don't do all that kind of nastiness. She says she definitely saw some some out of pocket things. In the documentary you see a lot. Yeah, I mean, yeah. People like you know them, well. We're having sexual intercourse back in the streets and stuff like that. But she said, you know, no, I believe my sister but she said no, she didn't engage none of that illicit activity. She said they were just having a good time. Um, you know, just hanging out chillin and they just and they drove back. So oh, it's I'm sure it's a good memory. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. She said, You didn't see my face did you say? No, no, she's she says she hadn't watched it. She said she saw some stuff, some clips, but she's gonna go back and watch it. Yeah, I definitely think it's worth watching because it to me it was like kind of a historical thing, you know, because it covers so many years. But it's also about, you know, something just that took root that wasn't really like this big corporate thing. It was it was just planned by a group of people. And it turned into this huge, right. Yeah, like you said, like, it was a grassroots initiative. And it just, it just grew. And, and like you said it was it was good at one point. And it just, you know, it all good things can't last. So it just, it was good. Like I said, it was nostalgic. I wish I would have gone. I did go to Daytona Beach for spring break. We will talk about that another time. But that in itself was was something to bow but I might have fallen in love with a stripper. But we'll talk about that. We definitely don't want to talk about that. No, no, no, no, no. But back to Freaknik. I wish I could have made that trip down there. And it seemed like it was a great time. It sad how it ended. It ended because the Atlanta was awarded awarded the Olympics in 96. And the mayor wanted to give the city a little better image per se. So he kind of did some things to kind of to make that go away. And then it kind of like I said it devolved into non students and older people going down there and you hear all these stories about, you know, some sexual assaults and stuff like that. So yeah, I started getting to block it for sure. That's a shame. That's a shame. So yeah, yeah. Well, I wish I could have gone will speak in about a pocket. I don't think we can avoid as much longer Max. You know, our midlife brethren. You know, who, before all this news came out I had a bunch of respect for. And I don't know, I don't know the ins and outs. I mean, but seems like my brother. Yeah, seems like my brother is going through a hard time Sean Puffy Combs, his daddy. All right, Max, give me your perspective on this whole thing? Well, I've heard that a lot of black podcasters are covering the story. And there's like a, I don't know if you've listened to any of them, but just a variety of takes on it. You know, some people who are sympathetic and some people who are just laughing, right, right. Like how ridiculous ridiculous it is. And I think I kind of I didn't really know, Cassie has girlfriends, so I kind of listened to her music and kind of looked her up. Right. But, I mean, if it's true, it's horrible. Right? Like, I think he really took his power. He abused his power. And his is hold on this young girl, you know, and there's other people who are involved too, right? There's some other I don't know if he's a producer. He got involved, but you know, sex trafficking is you know, that's crazy. Like if he felt like he could get away with it. So I just think Wow, talk about a fall from grace and talk about like, Do you really think you'd get away with it? You know, well, I I do I do think he thought that he could get away with it. If allegedly you know to stores all he did that. He did settle with her. So yes, but I'm talking about the other allegations that he's got going on there. Yeah, but usually if there's more than one it's not like like everybody's making something up right? Yeah. I mean, no, well, there's where there's smoke. There's fire you know, he did have Homeland Security raid his three houses. Yeah, there was controversy about that too. We're like why did they do this in such an open way? Right like in the middle of the day? You know, I don't Yeah, well, the other people they would have done it kind of more low key or whatever. Yeah, I'm not an expert on raid so maybe I don't I don't know what the appropriate time of day to do it is but it's it's interesting to me and sad. Because this is a man I you know, I've hold in high regard. You know, because he's super super successful. Put a lot of people over responsible for making a lot of money for a lot of people. Culturally icon fashion music. What have you. So, you know, I get it kind of breaks my heart that, you know this this guy that's my age is going through this. It's crazy to me, I, I'm hearing all kinds of it's been for a while and like, it's always been kind of kind of rumors. Yeah, there's always been, but is unsubstantiated. So you just don't know what's true or not. But you know, I'm hearing about trafficking or I'm hearing about him having all the rooms and his houses bugged. And with cameras and stuff like that, and him having, you know, maybe I don't know about extortion, but having evidence or whatever, against people and that sort of thing. And then, you know, all these other kinds of sexual rumors about him and other men and stuff like that is just way out of hand. And I just, I don't know, what's fact or fiction, but it's just completely out of pocket. And it just, it makes you wonder, like somebody with that much success and just willing to risk it all, you know, and throw it all away. You know, I guess that they just think that they're above the law or that? Well, yeah. I mean, why do you think, why do you think that he would just take such big risks? I think, you know, and this might not be a popular opinion. I think that these men have, or these people, I should say, have so much money, power influence. That they're narcissists, right? And they get bored. And they get on this fix, or this high of they need to do something more riskier, or then the next thing they do, and they just go off into these deviant paths sometimes, and because they feel like they can get away with murder, or get away with whatever they think they can buy people off. Yes. Right. And that's no excuse. So not making any excuse for him. Or you know, the the Epstein's and the Weinstein's and all those other people. But I think that's where it is, I think it's just deviancy and it just that, that allure of I'm so rich and powerful, and now that much influence and I can do whatever I want to do. And I have money to buy people off, or I have money to, you know, the hush people up or, or sometimes even off people. And yeah, it's just crazy. And it just that all that stuff gets gets to your head and just changes you as a person. And you know, he may have a we don't know this, but he may have a history of mental illness or something. So we don't really know. It's just I think he's got Yeah, it's just, it's just crazy. And it's just as varied as he was, you know, we think he's a good role model. Yeah. Yeah. Like the total office. Yeah. It was just, it's wild. It's wild. And now, you know, I'm, I'm not a rumor monger or anything like that. But we you have to follow this story. You have to see this to the end. You know, I don't think the end is in sight, by the way, I think this is gonna drag on for a while. But from what I'm hearing, he's never he hasn't been formally indicted or anything like that. So I'm curious to see. You talked about this the raid? What was the purpose of the raid? Yeah. You know, there's some conspiracy theory theories going around that they didn't raid his places to look for evidence, I'm hearing may or may not be true, that their new evidence was there, and they went to get it to confiscate it to protect people. You know, I'm saying, Would that man have that influence? You know, if he has evidence against other people of that influence, whether it be in government or whatever, people are going to do whatever they can do to protect? You think it's a console. Like he's working with? Yeah, I've heard that. I've heard that. He's. He may be a witness. I've heard that. It's like a jet deaf. Yeah. So he Yeah, he made me you know, so we'll know. We'll see. It's fascinating. Is this is gonna play out for a while. Yeah, it's gonna be some Brian Murphy. Yes. Series, some some TV series. Yeah, yes, it's great. And I was at Easter dinner last Sunday and was with a couple of classmates and another gentleman, our age and we were talking about this and it's just it's just crazy. And interesting what people's perspectives of all this is. And there's one job shout out to my buddy Sean probably won't be listening. He was saying how is this is not this is only the tip. For the iceberg, like, there are other people that are gonna go go down with him. And you know, we talked about Meek Mills and Stevie j's and other entertainers and artists that he is involved with. And he seems to think that, yes, this is just people who are complicit. Right, yeah. 100% So we'll say this. I think this is the most fascinating story I've seen in a while. You know, I'm more in tune to this. You know, for obvious reasons. More than I was with the Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein's, what is kind of the same ilk. Same guns, for sure. So let's follow along. And let's see what happens for sure. As a mid life person, right, before I got into my 50s, I always thought, hmm, at what age do you really start to show that you're getting old, right? And for me, it was in your 50s. Now, I don't know if I was like, kicking the can down the road or whatever. But it just seemed like that seemed like to be the age where, okay, you're starting to take that turn. The wrinkles are coming in. This was when he was when I was young. Right? So you always had that thought in my head. So I was out with a buddy of mine. We were out at a local establishment here having a couple cocktails, and across the bar, and I see a gentleman who I haven't seen in a while as probably say, five or six years. And he looks at me and I look at him. And you know, we say Hey, What's up, buddy? Well, so I've seen a while Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Allah. So we're talking and he says to me, man, you've aged a lot. I didn't know men did. Neither did I? I mean, no woman would say that. So I look at this job. And this person is like, not in your me who would say that even somebody in your family? Right, right, right, right. No, they would say, Oh, I see you got some grades coming in or, you know, blah, blah, blah. They wouldn't then they'd be like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I looked at the gentleman. I was like, what? Like, what? Like, I had that thought, like you did? Like who would say that? Right? Yeah. So I gathered my composure what little app and I said, Well, okay, I was like, Well, I am 54 years old. I mean, is he our age? No, he's probably early to mid 40s. Okay, so, so I was like, Hey, man, I'll fit before I mean, these things happen. Hahaha. You gotten dressed up to go out that day? No, no, no, I was just wearing like a sweatshirt and a hat. You know, but you weren't looking? Oh, no, no, like, no, no, no. No, no, no, very casual. So, you know, I kind of laughed, oh, he laughed, blah, blah, and then went back back back to my business. And so I could not get that thought in my head. I would dismiss a couple of drinks and like, so I'm rash. I'm sitting there drinking. I'm rationalizing in my head. I was like, Okay, well, let's break down while he would say that. Sounds like our last time I saw him. I said, Okay, I think I'm pretty sure that's when I was dyeing my beard and mustache. Right. And probably my hair too, but I was wearing a hat. So you couldn't see my hair. I was like, okay, yeah. Is that something a lot of guys do dye their dashes. I would say about half and half. I've known quite a few people that have done some that don't. And it's the same as hair dye. Is it any different than hair dye? I think it's about the same? Yeah. Okay. I mean, it's, it's, it's not an easy thing to do. It's, that's why I stopped doing it. So, but yeah, I mean, when the Grays were starting to come in, I was like, I'm not ready for that yet. So I you know, I did the just for man, you know, brushing the formula and, and all that good stuff. And, you know, you can never really get it right. You know, you're not you're not a professional at it. So, you know, sometimes I would miss spots or sometimes days would go by and I wouldn't do it. And then but I thought it looked good. You know, I remember my father called me out one day he's like, I see. I see you dyeing your beard. Everybody's given Yeah, so I was dyeing my beard back then. So I was like maybe that has something to do with. And you know, I've always been the kind of guy I've always typically looked younger than my age, right? Maybe Maybe it's not even a look, maybe it's how my personality and everything else. So, so whole, the whole whole deal. Yeah. So, I haven't seen this guy, I haven't hung out with him in a while, you know, I'm, I'm dye free. You know, my, my beard is gray, my mustache, my hair, blah, blah, blah, whatever. So I'll probably do like a typical, you know, middle aged man. And so, you know, it's like, okay, I get it, you know, it's whatever. But like, why would somebody say that? No, that's all right. So I, you know, as we've talked about in previous podcasts, I'm a sensitive guy, but I'm letting it. I'm letting it go. You know, I've come to a point now, where I looked at that man in the mirror, and although he doesn't look like the guy the age of the guy I want to be, it's the guy that I am. Right. So you didn't do you didn't change anything because of that? No, no, I didn't. I mean, no. I mean, there's nothing I know. I am that guy in the mirror. Now I am that 54 year old man who's staring back at me and we are one we are simpatico. So it is what it is. Except acceptance. Yes, acceptance is the key. But that's good. I'm not I'm not opposed to. And I'm not opposed to people doing stuff to make themselves look good. You know, I mean, not, not necessarily like, you know, I mean, we all have friends that do Botox, who cares? But you know, if you want to do like some eye creams person, right, I agree and get rid of Crow's face and and wrinkles. You have your skin routine? By all means I support all that. I mean, yeah, I only probably need to do that more more myself. Do you do stuff to? Do I look for being like Cassie Max, I'm gonna say Yes, Max, you do, like you take care of your skin and your hair. I mean, you know, I could definitely do more like I, you know, I buy stuff, and then I'll use it for a little bit. And, you know, like, like, under eye rollers. I'm really lazy. You know, I just don't you know, I think if I had a job where maybe I had, or, you know, get, but I would be the person who'd be like, Okay, maybe I'm, like a sports, like, I'm on Friday, and somebody else has to do it, then I'm all about that. But just doing it myself. I don't have that time. Yeah, it's, you know, it can be a little time because, but I do think it. I don't know, we've had this talk before, right? Like, it's nice to look nice, right? It's nice to think about what you're wearing, can I go out and put your best foot forward right and look nice, right? And it makes you feel more competent, feel better, but I guess there's, like, you don't have to go the other extreme, where you feel like, oh, everything's wrong with me. And I want to look 20 years younger, right? So I think there's, I think you can't let yourself go. But at the same time, like, like you're saying, Love yourself the way you are. So I think there's a balance right? I don't think you should let yourself go all the way you know. And yeah, don't let yourself go and don't get it twisted. I still look good. It's just I just gotta, I just gotta understand that my looking good. Is it look good? Good. Look for a man in his 50s not a good look for a third guy look like I mean, I don't want to know. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean? Like, like, if you had to say, if you had time to think about it. Do you wish you had said something else back? Like what would you have said back? I think I think you just wouldn't let it go. I think the way I comported myself was the best that I could do. Now I could have gone you know, I could have gone several different ways with but you know, it's like, you know what? I'm so him. You probably don't want him to hang out. Not a close friend. He's not a guy. Anyway, he's just a guy that I hadn't seen in a while that you know, we we, we we have mutual acquaintances, and we you know, we've hung out a couple of times, so it's whatever, but that's like it well, there's no point in getting upset about this or mad or fighting or, or anything like that. It's just Hey, man. Brah I'm a middle aged man. I think I'm doing good for myself. So yeah, so it is what it is. So it was a good test for you. It was it was a good test. It was it was good. I'm proud of the way I handled myself and, and that sort of thing. But you know, like I said, you know, you still want to look good, but you got to face reality as a time and you know, for free 54 year old man I think I'm doing an excellent job. So thanks for joining us for this episode of midlife marauders. Follow us on social media and wherever you stream your podcast. 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