Shay Shay Scandal, Will Smith’s Album Drop, Katy Perry in Space & Cena’s Hair Plugs

Will and Max dive into recent midlife celebrity mayhem — from Shannon Sharpe’s legal drama and Will Smith’s new album to John Cena’s hair loss and heel turn. They also unpack Lauren Sanchez and Katy Perry’s space crew, exploring what it all says about fame, ego, and the need to escape. It’s a pop culture deep-dive with sharp takes, unexpected laughs, and just the right dose of chaos.

Thanks for listening--keep on marauding!

Chapters

• 0:00 Diving into Shannon Sharpe Scandal
• 12:30 Katy Perry & Celebs Blast Off to Space, Face Backlash
• 20:07 Album Review: Will Smith's "Based on a True Story"
• 30:54 John Cena’s Heel Turn and Reaction to Fans Bullying Him Over Bald Spot

Transcript

Let's talk about marauders in the news. Who's marauding, who's not, who's behaving badly. What do you want to talk about?
 
 Will 
 Well, right off the top of my head, right off the top of my head, my man, Shannon Sharp. Yeah, shout out to Shannon Sharp. He's a midlifer, he's come a long way. His podcast, Club Shae Shae is very popular. He's had a lot of great interviews. He's become a regular on.
 
 Max 
 Shannon Sharpe.
 
 Will 
 first take on ESPN. So he's been in the news for quite a while and he's become very, very, very successful. But with that success, he's gotten into a little bit of trouble. You want to expound on it a little bit?
 
 Max 
 And I think some people think because of his success, maybe he has a target on his back a little bit of people are like piling on but you said you wanted to give him a shout out. So is that saying that you support him? You know, he has these rape allegations and he's saying it's consensual sex, you know, it seems like the same old story, right?
 
 Will  
 What? No, I don't support...
 
 Right, well, okay, let me clarify. I'm giving him a shout out because I do admire his success within the past couple of years. Like he said, his podcast has gone through the roof, his celebrity, his popularity. And I've liked him as a celebrity. I obviously liked him as a football player.
 
 Max  
 for sure.
 
 Max  
 he's entertaining for sure.
 
 Will  (06:57.662)
 Yeah, for sure. excuse my French, this fuck shit he's got going on behind the scenes, obviously I'm not going to support that. Let's talk about it. So, yeah, if it's true, well, he admitted, he has admitted that, know, obviously if you don't know, there's a young woman that's been putting out some stuff about him and some phone calls and texts and that sort of thing. And he has admitted that he had
 
 Max  (07:07.98)
 If it's true, right? If it's true.
 
 Will  (07:26.796)
 a in his opinion a consensual relationship with this young woman. Now immediately the first thing that people are you know up in arms about is the age difference. He's 60 maybe he was like 50 I don't know 57 58 at the time when they started when she was 19.
 
 Max  (07:30.604)
 relationship. Yep.
 
 Max  (07:50.412)
 Yeah, so he's 56 now. So he's our age.
 
 Will  (07:53.132)
 Okay, maybe, yeah, yeah. Oh, okay, he's 56, I'm sorry. So I thought he was closer to 60, but maybe he was in his early 50s when they first got it going and she was 19, something like that. Yeah, that's... Well...
 
 Max  (08:05.762)
 Yeah, 19 is, this should be a red flag right there. No, because you know, it's all gonna, if you're famous and something goes badly, you know, that's gonna come out, right? The age difference.
 
 Will  (08:18.186)
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
 
 Max  (08:22.53)
 You know, because you're taking, you know, taking advantage of somebody who is, you know, they say she's, there's this power dynamic, you know, because he's famous and he's older and he can take advantage of her. I you're setting yourself up for trouble, I think in some ways.
 
 Will  (08:22.795)
 Woo!
 
 Will  (08:34.252)
 Yeah, yeah.
 
 Will  (08:38.7)
 100 % and I I Just don't get it. I mean I Just don't get it. It's that that's too too large for an age gap I mean what his celebrity stats and again, this is this is me talking as a man like You know, he's he's well known. He's just wealthy you know, he's Put together well, he's obviously taking care of his body
 
 pause but I feel like why is he dipping down into 19s and 20s like what like this
 
 Max  (09:17.58)
 Is it just the physical, you know, like the physical attraction takes over and you just don't think, you know, you're not thinking with your head, you know, it's just like, it's just too much of an attraction.
 
 Will  (09:23.148)
 I guess so. I mean, yeah. The with the wrong head. Yeah. I honestly don't know, Max. There's some psychology to it. I don't get it. Correct. That's a great point. That's a great point. But on the flip side, though, I mean, he's getting a lot of flack for this. But.
 
 Max  (09:36.662)
 Right. So just because you're older doesn't mean you're smarter. Why is there, right? Or make good decisions. I guess that's one of the lessons, right?
 
 Will  (09:51.134)
 I mean, I feel like she deserves a little something too. I mean, as a 19 year old, again, she's young, she's impressionable. It may be a bad chase. I get all that, but I mean, come on.
 
 Max  (09:59.916)
 Yeah, you think about yourself when you were 19, like, I was pretty naive and, you know.
 
 Will  (10:07.576)
 for sure. Yeah, I wasn't even fully grown as far as mentally or mature-wise. You still have some growing to do at that age. Maybe you're physically an adult, but I don't think you're mentally or maturity-wise an adult at that age.
 
 It's not a good look. It's not a good look for him. And obviously he says some things and, you know, I go back to when he was...
 
 when there was an audio put out of him having some sort of relationship with a woman prior to that. Yeah, well, allegedly. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but I do think that. Let's just say this, I would not be surprised if he leaked that.
 
 Max  (10:51.606)
 It was like a leak, right? It wasn't on purpose.
 
 Will  (11:07.274)
 because there was some talk of him being homosexual and before that, he might've, or his team might've thought, hey, let's put out this leak to show that I am a heterosexual male. So, but no one can prove that.
 
 Max  (11:24.366)
 So you think part of it is like him trying to prove something or like say, you know, but then it got out of control.
 
 Will  (11:28.524)
 Maybe I would let you say let's just say I wouldn't be surprised Let's just say I wouldn't be surprised right because his thing was I didn't know that I was being recorded but it was on his His feed his phone. You just can't you just can't Click like one button and do it. It just doesn't happen accidentally like that. You have to go through a process
 
 Max  (11:42.486)
 Yeah, that's a little bit too convenient.
 
 Max  (11:51.022)
 Right. And he's a, he's a, you know, he, he shouldn't know because that's his job, right? He's a news person. mean, he's a sportscaster or a podcaster, all these things. Like he makes his money from talking.
 
 Will  (11:55.712)
 Right. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, he's on social media talking. So at that point, okay, he realized, whoa, okay, I'm in the public now. You know, this is not a good look for me. Well, maybe to him it was a good look, but.
 
 I'm in the public now. see how these things can change. I need to sit down. I need to lay low. I need to stay off my phone, put my phone down as the kids say, blah, blah. And just move in silence. You know what I mean? Move, you know, slow. But no, no,
 
 Max  (12:26.05)
 Right, lay low.
 
 Max  (12:35.554)
 Yeah, yeah.
 
 Will  (12:42.57)
 Yeah, it's kind of blowing up in his face. He got suspended from ESPN. He's still doing his club, Shayshae. He's still doing his podcast. Again, like you said, I don't know what's true, what's not. mean, all I can only look at it from the surface level is a 56-year-old man and this 20-year-old woman, and he's saying all these things. And it's clearly his voice. I don't think he denies that.
 
 But is he countersuing her? Do we know that? Okay.
 
 Max  (13:14.99)
 I don't know, but when I was looking at like the age of his kids, so his kids are way older than this woman he was having a relationship with.
 
 Will  (13:20.938)
 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't get it, I wish this young woman well. Obviously, she's put this into the light because obviously she feels like he was a threat to her, danger, and I guess he did some things that she didn't want to happen, but.
 
 Max  (13:26.52)
 think they're in their 30s.
 
 Will  (13:49.32)
 I don't know. think the truth is somewhere in the middle. I'm not saying I'm taking any sides on this, but naturally when someone is accused of this type of thing, you know, you want to be cautious and you want to be careful and let it legally play out. So.
 
 Max  (14:05.472)
 Right, especially if you have so much to lose, right? So he is counter suing.
 
 So yeah, anyways, he's counter-sowing both the plaintiff and her lawyer, so.
 
 Will  (14:15.189)
 It's not a good look.
 
 Will  (14:19.596)
 Man, it's not a good look. uh, yeah, it is.
 
 Max  (14:22.766)
 It's too bad. It's really too bad because another kind of role model in trouble.
 
 Will  (14:28.5)
 Yeah man, yeah it's... Yeah, it's not a good look.
 
 Max  (14:32.43)
 So I guess one of the takeaways is it doesn't matter how old you are, you can still mess up pretty badly.
 
 Will  (14:37.228)
 you still get caught up very badly, very badly. And when you're a celebrity like that, you've got to be aware of these things. And you've got to be aware of public perception, things getting out, especially when you're dealing with such a young person and they're just so... I'm gonna blame this a little bit on his age.
 
 Max  (15:06.156)
 Really? Shouldn't he know better at his age? Or you think it's midlife, it's a midlife crisis and he's like trying to prove that he's still young and still got it.
 
 Will  (15:06.278)
 and what he was dealing with, yeah, he should, but...
 
 No, I'm gonna take it a different direction, Max. I'm gonna take it, because I think it proves that he's not technically savvy. He had that incident before, and now, and he's getting caught up on, he's getting recorded and bro, come on, you can't be saying these things on the phone. Especially.
 
 Max  (15:26.219)
 Is that true?
 
 Max  (15:37.012)
 Right, but that's still hiding if he actually did rape her. That's, you know, the bottom line is, yeah.
 
 Will  (15:40.724)
 Well, of course, of course, of course, of course. But I...
 
 Max  (15:46.496)
 But it does show that if he really is not technically savvy, that is a common thing for people our age and older, right? Or something that we can use as an excuse, you know? But yeah, I feel like in his case, it shouldn't be the case, but yeah, people could be doing all the tech stuff for him. But yeah, that just makes us look bad as midlifers that we're kind of incompetent.
 
 Will  (15:52.53)
 yes. Yes! Yes!
 
 Yes.
 
 Will  (16:00.748)
 Will  (16:09.302)
 And don't be-
 
 Yeah, and don't be grimy on your phone. I mean, you just can't do it now. know, people are, people are waiting to, and I'm not saying she did this, but people are, there are people that are waiting to use that against you. You know what I mean? So they want to see you fall and you just, you just, you just sitting at the table for them right there. And then again,
 
 Max  (16:16.728)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (16:28.33)
 Right, they want to see you fall, yeah.
 
 Max  (16:34.54)
 Well, that's what Stephen A. Smith said that people are going after him because of the interview he did with Cat Williams and kind of people are waiting for that opportunity.
 
 Will  (16:42.38)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 100%, yeah, yeah. And when you're in this business and you know how people move, particularly other celebrities, then you know you gotta move a lot differently. you know, right, right, right. So everybody please be careful out there. know, realize that your phone can be used against you as a weapon, but don't do all the grimy shit to begin with. I'm not excusing any of that.
 
 Max  (16:56.3)
 Right? This is not new. It's not like this is the first scandal like this.
 
 Max  (17:06.574)
 She's smart.
 
 Will  (17:13.58)
 But I'm just saying, just your phone can be used as a weapon against you. So please be very careful.
 
 Max  (17:13.581)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (17:18.958)
 Yeah, and I feel like the cutoff for a relationship, if somebody is like younger than your kid, that's a red flag.
 
 Will  (17:24.068)
 yeah. yeah. Yeah, there's no getting away with that now. Not for sure. both parties, hey, prayers up to both parties. I want this to be a good outcome. Obviously if a crime was committed or that sort of thing, people should be punished for that. But it's crazy.
 
 Max  (17:44.622)
 Yep, hopefully the truth will prevail and justice will be served. But anyhow, speaking of role models, I know this was a little while ago, but Lauren Sanchez, Katy Perry, Gayle King, others going up in space, did you find that to be inspiring? Something that was cool if you had the opportunity to go up for 10, 11 minutes?
 
 Will  (17:52.937)
 Mm-hmm
 
 Will  (18:11.02)
 Well, are we really? They did, they did.
 
 Max  (18:12.206)
 I mean, they got dragged big time, right? I mean, I think they totally didn't expect that backlash, right?
 
 Will  (18:21.632)
 But I'm not, okay, what's the backlash about? Now, okay, let me answer your question first. Would I do that? Hell no. I mean, in light of what happened, well, I just don't think it's, I'm not willing to put my life, I don't think it's that, yeah, don't, you know, I'm not willing to risk my life for that. I think it's cool that people can do that, have the ability to do that and the means to do that. That's fine, I don't be gracing them for doing that, but.
 
 Max  (18:29.804)
 Because of what? Just like, it's not.
 
 Max  (18:35.542)
 Yeah.
 
 Will  (18:48.872)
 I'm not willing to put my life in danger like that. You know, it kind of goes back to that submarine thing. And I know it's a bit different, but I'm not to roll the dice. Maybe if I were like...
 
 Will  (19:04.891)
 80 Okay, I ain't got that much time left, you know 80 90. Yeah, I'll jump up in that little rocket and go up in space for 11 minutes but no, I still got a lot of life to live and I'm just not willing to uh To risk it for that. Yeah, 100 so but yeah
 
 Max  (19:17.964)
 Yeah, it feels risky. Yeah. I feel like that too. Like I don't have any desire to go skydiving or anything like that.
 
 Will  (19:25.63)
 Yeah, yeah. Was that because we were getting older or did you ever have a...
 
 Max  (19:29.934)
 I think I'm not, yeah, I guess I'm not a thrill seeker in that way, but I think also the risk. I also think like if you die skydiving or something, people would be like, I told you so, you know what I mean? Like, I feel like it's like, okay, that was your choice. shouldn't have, it's one thing if you died, you know, in another way, but when you're taking that risk. But I mean, I also admire people who take big risks and are thrill seekers. And so, you know, it's just not for me.
 
 Will  (19:40.748)
 That's true. That's true. That's true.
 
 Will  (19:48.47)
 Right.
 
 Will  (19:56.788)
 Yeah, it's just not for
 
 Max  (19:58.84)
 But this wasn't like a thrill seeking thing. I mean, it's fairly safe, right?
 
 Will  (20:03.628)
 I mean I laugh I laugh because they were in space before like you said 11 seconds 12 seconds Oh 11 minutes. I'm sorry
 
 Max  (20:05.634)
 Supposedly.
 
 Max  (20:11.086)
 Yeah, 11 minutes. Yeah, I actually thought, you because I had heard about it from my husband and I was, you know, I thought it was a bigger deal than it actually was, you know, like I thought they were going to the moon or something. Because it was position, it was really like hyped up, right? Like it was hyped up, like they were doing something amazing. you know,
 
 Will  (20:16.734)
 Right. no, no, no, no. yeah. Right, right.
 
 Max  (20:35.294)
 something that nobody had ever done before. I guess technically it's something, it's somewhat true. I think there's other women who went up into the atmosphere in the past, but they really got dragged. I think because of how they positioned it, they made a big deal about their space outfits and how much it meant. And they had the little clips of
 
 Will  (20:44.554)
 Right.
 
 Max  (21:01.88)
 Katy Perry with her little flower of her daisy. And I guess she sang while she was up there. But it was such a short time, right? And I think it diminished their accomplishments otherwise, right? And it was like this, a group that like kind of they put it together in a way that would seem to be meaningful. It felt very, what's the word, contrived, right? Like they really were looking at this from a publicity
 
 Will  (21:10.804)
 Yeah, I-
 
 Will  (21:22.155)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Will  (21:27.22)
 Got you.
 
 Max  (21:30.626)
 point of view, like this was a publicity stunt, but I think it flopped.
 
 Will  (21:36.064)
 Well, I'm gonna differ with you. I'm gonna differ with you a little bit on that. I mean, they're celebrities. It's not like they were civilians or astronauts. mean, they're... Well, I'm talking about the ones that we know. Obviously, Lauren Sanchez, Katie Gale King. Yeah, so they're gonna do celebrity stuff while they're out there. don't know why that's so shocking. Like...
 
 Max  (21:47.202)
 There's a couple of them that were like there's one woman who actually have. Right, like Katy Perry and Gale King, yeah.
 
 Max  (22:04.087)
 Right.
 
 Will  (22:05.004)
 Like they were talking about, you know, their outfits and, you know, their hair and makeup. I mean, but that's who they are. That's how they live their lives. So I don't, I didn't really get the flack of it per se. I didn't really care one way or the other. I think it's, you know, if you have the means and opportunity to do that and you want to do it,
 
 and you're crazy enough to do it and rich enough to do it, by all means, go ahead and do it in my opinion. No, they were just passengers.
 
 Max  (22:35.406)
 Yeah. But I guess there is no skill involved. I think that was part of it. know, like what's, what are they using their platform for? What are they saying? Right? Like, I can go up into space because I'm famous. Yeah. And why is that? And I guess when all these horrible things are going on in the world, that's why people were critical of it. Right? Like it was like the Marie Antoinette moment, like let them eat cake. Right? Like we're up here, you know, on this
 
 Will  (22:47.434)
 Yes. Yes.
 
 Will  (22:59.98)
 Really? Wow. Okay.
 
 Max  (23:04.204)
 Yeah, that's what people were saying, right? Like, why are they so out of touch?
 
 But some people, I think what they were trying to say is that this was a breakthrough or an accomplishment for women.
 
 Will  (23:10.56)
 Because they're billionaires
 
 Will  (23:20.012)
 Oh, okay. that okay. No. All right. So let's break that down. I was okay. They're billionaires are close to it, right? So they're gonna do things that us peons, don't mean to call us peons, but you know what I mean? commoners. They're thinking differently than we do. You know, we're we're, trying to make it day by day. We know we're trying to make it to retirement savings, take care of our kids.
 
 Max  (23:34.83)
 Commoners?
 
 Max  (23:40.993)
 Right, right.
 
 Max  (23:46.126)
 But I think that's the point why people were criticizing them.
 
 Will  (23:49.184)
 But they, but billionaires do this shit all the time. Like we can't even get into their head space of, know, what they're thinking or what they're doing. I don't care. I, I don't understand the flag at all. I really don't. Hey, listen, you give me a billion dollars. I'm going to do some wild shit too. That people like, what, why is he doing that? Because I can and I want to. Yeah. Now what now?
 
 Max  (23:53.037)
 right.
 
 Max  (24:11.872)
 Right, because they're pushing the envelope and doing something, yeah, bold.
 
 Will  (24:16.491)
 Don't know if they were pushing like this is a breakthrough for women or you know, I don't what's the breakthrough? No, okay. Well, all right
 
 Max  (24:22.124)
 I think they were saying it was a first, right? They were really trying to make it into a big deal. And maybe that was part of what failed is how they were trying to make it into a bigger deal than it was, or kind of forcing the message on people.
 
 Will  (24:30.389)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Will  (24:35.402)
 Right, right.
 
 See, I didn't pick up on that and I apologize for my lack of research on that. I didn't pick up on that. Nor if I had seen it, I wouldn't have carried away. I mean, it's not a big deal for me. It wouldn't have been a breakthrough for me. Maybe I'm not the demographic they were looking to impress or whatever. know, I... Right, Well.
 
 Max  (24:57.464)
 I think the backlash was what made it interesting, the whole event or the whole phenomenon, because I think people remember it because of that, you know?
 
 Will  (25:06.314)
 Well, I guess so, yeah. Well, listen, I say kudos to them. know, they had means and opportunity to do it. I wouldn't have done it, but...
 
 Max  (25:17.666)
 Yeah, and I hope they just move on. know, they tried something new and maybe it didn't work out, but...
 
 Will  (25:19.5)
 Yeah, let's move on. Try something new, yeah, for sure. Well, speaking of trying something and being a billionaire, I think we should touch on this Will Smith album. What's it called again?
 
 Max  (25:35.662)
 It's called Based on a True Story.
 
 Will  (25:38.038)
 My true story? Okay. Do we want to go there? Okay.
 
 Max  (25:43.032)
 So that came out, it came out in March, I think, but it's just starting to, know, people are reviewing it. People are saying that it only sold a few copies in the UK or in Europe. Yeah, I guess they're still counting that. I don't know if people are selling CDs or what there, in Europe, but he's going on a European tour, I believe, UK and yeah. So.
 
 Will  (25:54.572)
 really?
 
 Will  (26:01.216)
 Well.
 
 Will  (26:05.182)
 European tour? Okay. So I'll be honest with you, Max. This wasn't on my radar at all until you brought it up. All right, it doesn't come up.
 
 Max  (26:14.21)
 I don't, it's interesting. It's not like being promoted as like, have to listen to it for sure. Right.
 
 Will  (26:18.886)
 Yeah And it didn't come it doesn't come up on my algorithm for sure I'm not sure I I'm not sure why because obviously he's a He's a midlifer. He's a marauder and he's marauding. So we got to give him credit for Marauder. Wow, well shout out to Will Smith shout out to you All right 56 there you go. So good on him
 
 Max  (26:24.564)
 Yeah, didn't either in mine.
 
 Max  (26:34.222)
 Yes, it's his first album in 20 years. Yeah.
 
 Yeah, and he's 56 also.
 
 Will  (26:48.3)
 You want me start first on our little Midlife Morales album review? Let me pull up the album here and make sure I got it going on here. All right, so I'm gonna say this, going into it, I had very little expectations of this, okay?
 
 Max  (26:50.914)
 Yeah, go ahead. I'm curious to see what you thought. Yes.
 
 Max  (27:14.882)
 Because.
 
 Will  (27:16.234)
 Just because of his recent history, I think he's become somewhat out of touch. And I don't really begrudge him for that because, you know, when you're a celebrity and live that sort of lifestyle and you have all this money, I think you do lose a little bit of touch of what's really going on in the world. And I don't blame him for that. You know what saying? He can't...
 
 Max  (27:43.342)
 So out of touch just because he's kind of in this upper echelon or because, okay.
 
 Will  (27:48.138)
 Yeah, yeah, he just doesn't have, right, he's just not living a normal life of the people anymore. He's not living a normal life, you know. I'm not saying he doesn't have normal problems and he pointed that out on the album. You know, he goes through pain and love and everything else other people do, but just on a different, just different way. Okay, so I started listening to this and immediately I regretted it.
 
 Max  (27:51.874)
 He's not of the people, right? Yeah.
 
 Max  (28:19.758)
 I kind of felt the same way.
 
 Will  (28:20.724)
 Okay. I was like, what in the world am I listening to? Just from to the intro. I don't like it when maybe I'm, you know, I think I'm becoming an anti intro and anti skip person. Yeah. Ooh, that sounds old, very curmudgeonly. So, all right. I apologize for that, but.
 
 Max  (28:36.524)
 Right, like a theme or, yeah.
 
 Max  (28:45.282)
 But why don't you like it because it's kind of been done too much or it's kind of cheesy.
 
 Will  (28:48.78)
 Yes, yeah, I think it's been done too much. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. And then he started using like voices to change his voice. Sound like an old man.
 
 Max  (29:00.91)
 So was that one song all him? I guess in the video it is all him, right? Where he's the barbershop song where he's saying all these POVs. Yeah, yeah. That was like saying all this stuff about all the gossip or all the news, what people are saying about him.
 
 Will  (29:07.712)
 Yeah, guess so. Yeah, I didn't even watch the video. Yeah, that was, yeah. So.
 
 Yeah, yeah, that was, that's it. Yeah, he got right into that. So that kind of stuff just immediately turned me off, you know, and I was listening to it as I worked out today and it wasn't helping my workout at all. And I almost decided to just not listen to it. Then I got to around track five or six.
 
 Max  (29:45.454)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Will  (29:45.694)
 I'm gonna say track six, Hard Times featuring Teyana Taylor.
 
 Max  (29:52.6)
 You keep, I kept hoping it would get better, right? Or like there's one, like one song, like, okay. You thought it did?
 
 Will  (29:55.604)
 Well, well, well, it did. It did. In my opinion, I really was rocking with track six, seven, eight, nine.
 
 Max  (30:12.322)
 And it was the music or because like for me it was a little bit like, you got somebody featured and they sound better. You know what I mean? Like that's kind of, I wanted like a respite from it. was like, give me something current.
 
 Will  (30:19.304)
 Well, the features, the features, right. No, no, the features definitely helped, but he turned, he just started rapping around like five, six, seven and eight. He just started rapping and it wasn't like preachy rap. wasn't like really him talking, both full. wasn't.
 
 Max  (30:37.966)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (30:44.238)
 wasn't boastful rep.
 
 Will  (30:48.62)
 You know what he did at the beginning like, you know, I acknowledge that I've had all these issues and he was just rapping, you know what I mean? And it was like, okay, now he had tension was good. Yeah. Johnny Lucas is very good. Uh, the one with Big Sean, I thought it was, was good. So he got into his, he got into his bag a little bit around five, six, seven, eight, and I think nine, if I remember correctly. Um,
 
 Max  (30:57.004)
 Yep. Which one was that? Tantrum? I like tantrum or that was probably the one I liked the best.
 
 Max  (31:08.557)
 Yeah.
 
 Will  (31:17.664)
 So he just like, okay, now he's flowing. Now the beats are good. He's gotten into a good routine. He's not like preaching at us or saying, you know, just trying too hard, no weird voices. And I was really rocking with it.
 
 Max  (31:28.756)
 I'm too hard.
 
 Will  (31:37.548)
 And I was like, okay, this isn't bad. This isn't bad. for a, and that's what I should, I shouldn't say that. I thought it was good. I'm going to just say it wasn't bad as a, old is he? 56 you said. Okay. So for 56, 56 year old, I was like, man, okay. He's not really sounding 56. He's sounding like a good rapper should sound like.
 
 Max  (31:50.882)
 Yeah. So he's just a tad older than us.
 
 Will  (32:04.78)
 And even, yeah, confident, he's with the flow, the flow is good, the rhythm is good, whoever the features are, are good, it's a good balance. So I was really rocking with it. And then we get down to like 11, 12, he gets somewhat sermony again. And I was like, gonna throw that shit in the garbage.
 
 Max  (32:05.408)
 I confident, yeah.
 
 Max  (32:26.764)
 Yeah, I don't like the sermons.
 
 Will  (32:33.74)
 If I, you know, here's what the young kids do. I don't know if you're aware of this. I probably should start doing this too. I don't know if it's the young kids, but you know, I don't really mess with the albums. Like I don't like delete stuff. Well, no, no, no, no. Well, what I'm trying to say is Max, what I found out people are doing is they'll delete.
 
 Max  (32:48.512)
 Right. don't think anybody does that anymore. Right. Nobody listens to an album straight through. I don't.
 
 Will  (33:01.236)
 Like they'll have a playlist of what or whatever this album is right, but they'll delete They'll just start removing the songs that they don't like right? So that's yeah So, you know, I say maybe five songs on this. like You know, I could take those other songs off, right? I could delete it Yes, hide the album, right? And there are people that maybe might not even like the cover art and just change the cover art, too
 
 Max  (33:03.49)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Max  (33:10.024)
 really?
 
 Let me try that.
 
 Max  (33:18.756)
 yeah, hide in this album. That's what you're doing, okay.
 
 Max  (33:27.999)
 interesting.
 
 Will  (33:30.398)
 So would I play this album again? Probably not.
 
 Probably, I would probably go back and listen to maybe those five tracks and I would probably re-listen to those. But the other stuff, throw it in the garbage. Megan, you curate your own Will Smith album. Yeah. So I don't think it's straight trash.
 
 Max  (33:44.396)
 Yeah, so you make it your own album, right? And you cut out the stuff you don't like, like.
 
 Yes, that's good advice.
 
 I like that.
 
 Will  (34:00.67)
 I think some songs are trash, but I think there are about four or five songs that you could still probably rock to and have a good time with.
 
 Max  (34:08.61)
 Yeah, he got a lot of the reviews were bad. But so I mean, the fact that he's not touring in the US, I mean, I don't know if there are plans to do that later. I thought that's interesting, right? Like, does he think it's just he's so reviled in the US still after the slap, you know, but
 
 Will  (34:19.265)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Will  (34:24.88)
 Right. You know, he talked about being canceled and, you know, cancel culture and all that other stuff. I think he I think he made a dig at Jay-Z. I don't know if you picked up on that. Did you pick up on that?
 
 Max  (34:41.135)
 I do remember something about Jay-Z or yeah and I
 
 Will  (34:43.616)
 Like Jay-Z having one classic album.
 
 Max  (34:47.668)
 Yeah, but I kind of, we'll have to look that up. Cause I kind of felt like it wasn't a diss. It was more like he was comparing himself to Daisy, which I was like, what?
 
 Will  (34:50.988)
 Yeah.
 
 Will  (34:56.106)
 He was. He was. That was the point of though. He compared himself to Jay-Z talking about he had one classic album like Jay-Z. And I think Jay-Z fans and Jay-Z would argue that he has had more than one classic album. So I've done that to be funny. I'll just do some research and see if he gets any clap back for that. But my album review, one out of five.
 
 Max  (35:06.668)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (35:10.636)
 Yeah, I think that's maybe not smart.
 
 Max  (35:18.966)
 Yeah.
 
 Will  (35:24.62)
 I'm gonna give it a two and a half. I'll give it a two and a Oh, okay.
 
 Max  (35:28.992)
 Okay. Yeah. I'm probably lower than that, but like I hate it when I hear a rap song and it's got like a word that just like stands out to me. That's like, why did you put that in? Like Basset Tracin. He tried to rhyme something with Basset Tracin. I was like, no, please. You know, I mean, like poet, you know, things that sound like poetry and sound good, but I'm like, my God, you're trying too hard to that. Anyhow, I would say that I do say that, you know, it's brave of him to put out the album.
 
 Will  (35:40.78)
 What? No, I- yeah. Are you serious?
 
 Will  (35:49.356)
 Right.
 
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Max  (35:58.254)
 I read somewhere that he's gonna put out two more this year. So, you know, so maybe he's got a lot to say, so good for him.
 
 Will  (36:02.049)
 wow. Okay. Well...
 
 Will  (36:08.14)
 It is. And I feel bad too, because obviously we grew up with Will Smith. He's our age and we want to see people our age do well and excel. yeah, just, yeah, I want to cheer for him and not cheer for him. I want his sales to go up. I want him to do well. Obviously it's just my opinion. Maybe people out there are different. Maybe they think this is a great album. I don't.
 
 Max  (36:38.126)
 I mean, it's hard because it's so different from his earlier work, you know, cause I was listening and then like Miami came on and I was like, Oh, this is fun and boppy, you know, and I wasn't a big fan anyhow growing up, but, um, it's hard because people are going to judge you, know, people are always going to try to critique you. And speaking of, we also wanted to talk about people judging John Cena. So I want to transition to talking about him, but anyhow, with, um, Will Smith, you know, good trying to bounce back and
 
 Will  (36:47.026)
 Right.
 
 Right. Right.
 
 Will  (37:00.074)
 My man John Cena. Yes.
 
 Max  (37:08.568)
 Best of luck in Europe.
 
 Will  (37:09.696)
 Best of luck, best of luck. Well, I think it's cool that you mentioned John Cena, full disclosure. I'm still a wrestling fan. I've been to a few events. I've been to a few events, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was something probably.
 
 Max  (37:21.71)
 Do you go to WWE? Do you go to see them? good. I've never been.
 
 Will  (37:35.006)
 eight, 10 years ago, I probably would have been, I would have denied or try to keep under the cover. Well, yeah, I mean, I think they've come a long way with how it's marketed and how it's brought to the table. Obviously it's on Netflix now and on Peacock. So it's more like wide streamed, I guess. I was actually,
 
 Max  (37:41.443)
 Now you embrace it. You own it.
 
 Max  (38:00.354)
 Right, so now that it's accepted, you're willing to admit that you went.
 
 Will  (38:03.404)
 Well, not so much except it I mean who cares I don't care if anybody really thinks I like it I grew up on it, you know, I was a child, you know NWA WCW
 
 back in the day in the eighties, that was like soap operas for me. And I kind of kept up, yeah, I kind of kept up with it. It's kind of like a soap opera. You ever watch a soap opera? Like when you were a kid or whatever. And then, yeah, I was a big like NBC guys, days of our lives. So was like one of those...
 
 Max  (38:24.812)
 That's interesting.
 
 Max  (38:32.565)
 Yeah, of course. I watched the guiding light.
 
 days of our lives. General Hospital. When do we have time for all that?
 
 Will  (38:43.038)
 Well, when we're homesick from school or something like that. But it's like one of those things, I feel like I haven't seen days of our lives of probably 20 years, right? Is it even on still? I don't even know. I feel...
 
 Max  (38:45.357)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (38:53.73)
 Yeah, me neither. I don't know.
 
 Will  (38:56.842)
 But I feel like if I tried to watch it now, it wouldn't take me too long to like catch up. Cause I like those so far for actors, they stay on those shows. They might leave, but they come back. So you still recognize a lot of faces and you get right back into it. It's kind of like that. Right. Jump back. It's kind of like that with wrestling and, you know, the old guys will leave and they'll go do movies like scene in the rock and all this other stuff, Hulk Hogan, blah, blah. But they always find their way to come back.
 
 Max  (39:06.882)
 Yeah.
 
 Max  (39:12.29)
 Right, you can just jump back in. It's fun.
 
 Will  (39:26.762)
 So the reason why we're mentioning John Cena is because, what is he, 48? I believe, yeah. Just turned 48. So he had talked openly. He was on the Pat McAfee show. And now he's this heel character, which I think is cool, because people have never thought that he would turn heel. You know, he's always been a good guy, but now he's a heel, and he's talking about, yes, okay, well, I'm here to school you on that. Anything you need to know about wrestling, I got you.
 
 Max  (39:31.906)
 Yep, he's 48.
 
 Max  (39:47.501)
 that's what that meant. I didn't really get that.
 
 You mean he turned heel during the matches? I mean, I saw some video of something happening like that where he was the bad guy,
 
 Will  (39:56.108)
 Right. Well, right. He turned heel. wasn't actually, it was after a match when he got approached by Cody Rhodes, who's a baby face. So that's the opposite of heel. Good guys call baby face, bad guys call heel. So John Cena won the Royal Rumble, which that winner entitles him to a title shot against the champ.
 
 Max  (40:12.172)
 Okay.
 
 Will  (40:24.19)
 and the champ is Cody Rhodes, right? And Cody Rhodes always, you he just said that John Cena is his hero, he's a legend, he's a goat, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, they were in the ring, The Rock was in the ring too, The Rock is a heel now, by the way. And right, he's the final boss, love that. He's called the final boss, love that. I got you.
 
 Max  (40:24.255)
 Okay.
 
 Max  (40:42.624)
 Yeah, I think I saw that video. Yeah, I didn't know what was going on, but I no idea what was going on.
 
 Will  (40:50.344)
 So anyway, there was a they were talking and then Cody rose
 
 decided to do a heel very heel thing to do which was to basically hit him in the nuts hit hit Cody Rose in the nuts so there has always been this talk of John Cena's act of getting a little bit stale you know how can you be such a good guy all the time generally in wrestling people will change not the good guys don't always say good guys and the bad guys always say bad guys right
 
 Max  (41:03.341)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Max  (41:11.446)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Max  (41:21.134)
 So it's like a transformation, evolution. Wait, so did he really hit him in the nuts or is it like all fake?
 
 Will  (41:26.676)
 Well, I mean, it's from appearances, it looks like him and obviously they're they're trained not to do that much. Yes. So he hit him in the nuts. Everybody's shocked. You know, John Cena, he turned heel. my God. You know, he does all his making with stuff. You know, I think he's one of the the leaders in like make a wish, you know, like granting wishes. Yeah.
 
 Max  (41:29.61)
 Okay. Yeah. So it's, they're acting. Yeah.
 
 Max  (41:49.432)
 Yeah, well, people know that that's an act, right? It's not like in real life he's turning heel, is he? It's just for the...
 
 Will  (41:55.164)
 Well, his attitude, I mean, he's an actor. So his attitude is very convincing. So outside of the ring, yes, outside of the ring. So he's doing interviews and he's still portraying this guy like, don't care what the crowd thinks of me anymore. They'll boo me, they'll cheer me, blah, blah, blah. So he's not catering to the audience, the crowd anymore. He's doing his thing.
 
 Max  (42:03.16)
 You mean outside of the ring too?
 
 Max  (42:13.735)
 huh.
 
 Max  (42:22.922)
 interesting. Except in that Pat McAvee show, that episode, right?
 
 Will  (42:27.18)
 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
 
 Max  (42:36.116)
 Okay, so let's talk about what happened, right?
 
 Max  (42:50.734)
 All right.
 
 Will  (42:55.51)
 for, I don't know, for about two or three years, right? And it's only gotten worse. So he claims that that actually has a part of him having his heel turned is that it's because the fans bullied him into getting hair transplants because they were talking so much shit about his bald spot, right? So then...
 
 Max  (42:59.182)
 Right.
 
 Max  (43:19.852)
 Right, right, but he did it.
 
 Will  (43:24.242)
 He did it. So he admitted on path McAfee and most men don't admit to having hair, you know, doing any kind of yeah, any kind of cosmetic thing to them, which I think now is changing. And I think John Cena has a part in that. Men are willing to admit now that I've had.
 
 Max  (43:33.388)
 Hair transplants, yeah.
 
 Will  (43:48.396)
 that they've gone through procedures. And I think that's cool. And I think it's cool that he admitted, yeah, I've gotten hair transplant. you could tell now, you still see a little bit of a bald spot, but he's saying his hair is growing now and it's covered up. So anyway, he got a little bit of flack from that, and I'm not sure why, because he said,
 
 Max  (44:01.186)
 Mm-hmm.
 
 Max  (44:08.898)
 He got flack for talking to the crowd, like.
 
 Will  (44:12.52)
 No, he got flack for saying the fans bullied him into him getting like he like it affected his feelings so much that he decided to get it. And I'm like, okay, I forget the young lady. It was a podcaster that said how the hell does John Cena get bullied and they get in hair transplant? It's not even real. But I think that's so short sighted.
 
 Max  (44:16.243)
 Like he's, right.
 
 Max  (44:29.87)
 It was Navarro from the view, yeah.
 
 Will  (44:37.182)
 Like, no matter what your celebrity status is, you're still a human being. You still have feelings, you you still care about what people think. And I think, and she was saying it was bullshit that he got bullied into getting hair trans. Well, maybe that was right. Yes. Yes.
 
 Max  (44:52.854)
 Right, like he couldn't get bullied because he's such a tough guy, you know, and he's so successful. Yeah, that's, that was a...
 
 But now that you're telling me all this stuff about him turning heel or now, because I felt sorry for him when I saw the video, like he was sincere about having his feelings hurt. But now if it's all part of an act, then I'm like, wait a minute, maybe it is just an act and that he.
 
 Will  (45:15.712)
 Great!
 
 Will  (45:20.748)
 But is it though? But is it though? Maybe now we're seeing the real John Cena because he had always been, no, maybe he decided he had enough. He's always been, well, did a little period in the early his career when he wasn't like this, but he's always, he's been portrayed as kind of like a boy scout.
 
 Max  (45:29.998)
 Yeah, but then why do you just give in then?
 
 Will  (45:49.002)
 You know what I mean? Like, and maybe he's just sick of all that. You know, like, I would be tired of it too. Like, to be perceived as like, you know, I'm a goody two shoes. doing all, you know, I can do no wrong, blah, blah. I have no, you know, things can't affect me. You know, I'm all about his hustle, loyalty and respect. And he's got to hold that weight.
 
 Max  (45:50.05)
 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
 
 Max  (46:02.572)
 Right.
 
 Max  (46:09.772)
 Right, and he has to hold everything in. Yeah.
 
 Will  (46:15.38)
 And he's like, you know what? I'm sick of this. I'm sick of the fans dictating, you know, what I can and cannot do. I'm tired of the pressure of being this, this, this gooder than, than whatever person. I'm going to let my true feelings out. I'm going to tell the fans, shit, I don't care about what y'all think of me. And I think it's cool.
 
 Max  (46:34.7)
 Yeah, but then the fact that he let it bother him enough to do it, that's kind of, I don't know. Then it comes across as him not having control of his life, which maybe, I don't know. It's funny because you looked at all the other guys on that show, they had no idea how to react to that. Because he did seem like he was sincerely talking about how he felt and how he felt bullied and upset about it. And they tried to laugh it off.
 
 Will  (46:43.697)
 That's no no that's vulnerability am I but he's like you only so
 
 Will  (46:54.826)
 Right.
 
 Will  (46:58.635)
 Right?
 
 Well, I don't think he should have used, I don't think he should have used the word bullied. No, I mean, that's a little bit too strong. I think he should have just said, listen, I was affected by what the fans and the WWE universe was saying about my hair loss. Obviously, I felt a certain way about me getting bald, going bald, and I wanted to change it. And I think it's cool that he admitted,
 
 I'm all about people admitting, you know, you can keep it to yourself, whatever, but I think it's cool when people say, listen, you know what? I didn't like the way I was looking, so I decided to get Botox. Don't it? I think he did. Yes, I don't think he should have used the word, I don't think he should have used the word bully. Yeah, we can agree on that. Right. Right. Right. Right.
 
 Max  (47:41.396)
 Right, think he should have own took more ownership of it, you know, like, like I heard what the fans are saying, and they're assholes. But right, right. There's some assholes out there who who who jump on, you know, any celebrity, but but this was my choice. I understand that you have to look good when you're on TV, you know, so own up to some of that.
 
 Will  (48:01.565)
 Right.
 
 Yeah, and like I said, I think it's cool. Like, hey man out there, if you're listening, own it. If you wanna get hair transplant, do it. If you wanna get veneers, do it. If you wanna get Botox, do it. If that's what you wanna do, do it. I'm all supportive of that. Yeah, I think that's a good.
 
 Max  (48:19.276)
 Yeah, but don't blame your fans. That is a good point though. Yeah. That is a good point. Just own it.