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Episode 122: Why Your Dog’s Health Starts With Food, Not Pills
What if great pet care started with fewer defaults and more decisions? We sit down with holistic veterinarian Dr. Sasan Hyatt to rethink parasite control, vaccination schedules, and daily nutrition with a clear focus on resilience over routine. Instead of chasing problems with stronger chemicals, we look at how whole-food diets, targeted testing, and simple environmental changes reduce risk and improve quality of life.
We dive into the realities of ticks, fleas, and Lyme disease and why a healthy, less “attractive” host matters. Dr. Hyatt lays out practical, lower-toxicity layers for prevention: safe garlic dosing by weight, nettle and spirulina blends, ultrasonic and ceramic tick collars, and when a short course of selamectin makes sense for fleas. On Lyme, we separate positive tests from actual illness, discuss immune-supportive strategies, and explore teasel root’s potential while calling for more veterinary data. For heartworm, we prioritize annual blood screening and early detection over blanket prophylaxis.
Vaccines get a measured approach. Rabies protection is non-negotiable, but titers can document lasting immunity and help avoid over-vaccination that may fuel allergies and autoimmune issues. We also talk candidly about emerging mRNA-based pet vaccines and why asking for traditional formulations is wise until questions are settled. From there, we zoom out to the home: filtered water over tap, modified citrus pectin (PectaSol) to bind glyphosate, low-residue detergents, double rinses, bedding hygiene, and how a quick baking-soda first pass can stop skunk oils from setting in. For mobility and pain, osteopathy, chiropractic, and rehab often succeed where sedating drugs fall short.
This is a compassionate, evidence-forward blueprint for pet parents who want their animals to thrive without unnecessary exposure. You’ll leave with concrete steps: upgrade the bowl with cooked or raw whole foods and mushrooms like shiitake and chaga, use smart, layered parasite defenses, test before you boost, and make home a cleaner, calmer ecosystem. If this conversation helped you see pet health differently, follow the show, share it with a friend, and leave a quick review to help more owners find it.
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SPEAKER_03:As the world gets louder and louder, the lessons of our natural world become harder and harder to hear, but they are still available to those who know where to listen. I'm Jerry Olette, and I was honored to serve as Ontario's Minister of Natural Resources. However, my journey into the woods didn't come from politics. Rather, it came from my time in the bush and a mushroom. In 2015, I was introduced to the birch-hungry fungus known as Chaga, a tree conch with centuries of medicinal applications used by indigenous peoples all over the globe. After nearly a decade of harvest, use, testimonials, and research, my skepticism has faded to obsession. And I now spend my life dedicated to improving the lives of others through natural means. But that's not what the show is about. My pursuit of the strange mushroom and my passion for the outdoors has brought me to the places and around the people that are shaped by our natural world. On Outdoor Journal Radio's Under the Canopy Podcast, I'm going to take you along with me to see the places, meet the people that will help you find your outdoor passion and help you live a life close to nature and under the canopy. So join me today for another great episode, and hopefully, we can inspire a few more people to live their lives under the canopy. Well, good morning, everyone. As always, it's always a pleasure being on air. And as we want to thank all our listeners, Canada-wide, all through the States, through Switzerland, through Ghana, and not Guiana, but Ghana. I had some individuals on the weekend who thought it was Guiana, but it was known as Ghana as well as the Caribbean. You know, the people that are listeners in Bermuda as as well as the Bahamas and all around the world. We really appreciate it. And as normal, you got any questions, ask them. You got any suggestions for sure, we'd be happy to hear them. Now, it's a normal morning, and uh Gunner is uh my uh instant Gunner, my chocolate lab is doing great. His operation to remove uh the tumor was was like an extra, almost like an extra toe went well, and it was like nothing happened. We didn't have to use the cone of shame on him at all because he's uh pretty intelligent and uh he looks at it, and as soon as I see him looking, I say, no, and he's no problem. And of course, one of the things as I mentioned before when we we had him in to get that done, um he didn't need any teeth cleaning because as I said, you know, when I'm in the washroom and uh and I especially it always happens when I'm in a rush. All of a sudden he comes in and he stands and he sits down between me and the sink, which means he wants his teeth brushed. Just like this morning, he wanted his teeth brushed, so we take care of him as always, but everything's good there. Now, the the wood insert that I put in inside the house, it was a little cool out, and uh we got some snow out there today, so uh I had to get it going. But it's taken a bit to learn how to regulate this thing, because it cranks out the heat. So if you get, if you load it right up, boy, the whole house is too hot, and I turn on the circulating fans, et cetera, et cetera. And it but it works pretty good, and I've got to tell you, I haven't had the regular furnace on uh since I've had this installed, and I've been there, so it's been working really good, but and I love doing cutting and splitting wood, and I got a chiropractor that helps me take care of all my excess abuse when I'm cutting, splitting, and hauling logs and doing all that stuff, but it's it's going very well, and I'm very much it's it's just taking a bit to learn how to regulate it. Now, today we have a guest, a special guest, and it's uh a veterinarian by the name of Dr. Hyatt. Welcome to the program, Sassan. Thank you, Jerry. Thanks for having me. Well, I very much appreciate you taking the time. I know you're very busy in your practice. I hear all kinds of great things about it. So tell us uh tell us a bit about uh your your own background. Where are you from, uh Sassan?
SPEAKER_08:Well, I was born in Germany, but I have a Persian background.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Which means uh Persia is what part? Iran. Okay. So you're born in Germany. And now, where did you uh take your schooling? You're you're uh a special kind of vet that we're gonna talk about here.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, I I did my original schooling in Iran in a school named Shiraz University, and then I got some extra training in Germany, and then I came um I got relicensed in Saskatoon. Um and yeah, I'm practicing here since 2003.
SPEAKER_03:2003? Very good. So, what's involved in becoming a um a veterinarian? Like how many years of schooling is it? Is it uh very similar? Just because a lot of our listeners wouldn't know or understand. So is it like being a doctor or like a medical doctor for humans, or how does that work?
SPEAKER_08:More or less, it's a little bit different. I mean, there are two systems uh uh training. There is one English system that there's six years straight after getting high school diploma, and there is one that's more North American system that you have a um you have a uh Bachelor of Science first for four years, and then you study four years for maternity school. So it's anywhere between um between seven to eight years of schooling after high school.
SPEAKER_03:Very good. So uh Sason, um Dr. Hyatt, you're a a different kind of vet. Now we've had uh um uh other specialists on, but I've never had a naturopathic or a holistic or a herbalist veterinarian. And that's when you that's your specialty, correct? Yes. Okay, so what's involved in developing that sort of background? I mean, you have your your veterinarian uh documentation, but now you have a naturopathic uh aspect that you're adding to it.
SPEAKER_08:Yes, yes. Uh I I'm trained as a um just conventional veterinarian. I used to work in emergency clinic and general practices, and then I um I I have been always interested in natural medicine and um whole food diet. Uh and slowly I developed that interest. And then what happened, I um met a naturopathic doctor that uh is also a veterinarian. There are not many of those. Uh, Dr. Droin. And um I met her just through a friend um in a social setting, and um I I didn't know at that time that such a thing exists. Um so I came to her practice at New Markets and I saw, wow, uh this was really what I was looking for. Um and then slowly I did some training with her, and then I picked up a few things here and there. Um, I'm doing that since 2008. At that time, um, there was not many resources, so I had to just go and find and dig and do lots of self-study and take courses. But now it's more at as people are more interested in their own health and their pets' health. There are more and more organizations that they are offer uh good training programs for the natural aspects of the veterinary medicine. Of course, um there's a solid place for conventional veterinary practice, um, good diagnostics, good medicine. And if there's an emergency, of course, herbs and acupuncture and food that don't have time. You need to just intervene quickly and save lives. Right. But there's so many things that you can do before or after uh that uh conventional medicine has its limitation in that sense.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So so um uh Sason, tell us now this is a a little bit of a little bit of a thorn in my side, uh, because I've taken a couple shots at that, but corporate veterinary clinics. Are you a corporate like one of these ones that uh they did the uh the special on that's being bought up by major corporations? Uh and uh my understanding is like uh close to 50 percent of uh all the veterinics are corporately owned in in Ontario by one or two major corporations. Is is that your situation?
SPEAKER_08:No, no, we are uh privately owned. I I own the practice privately.
SPEAKER_03:No. I I am so happy to hear that because uh I have to tell you, some of the stuff that I'm seeing in in these ones now and and uh quite frankly, the staff are are are, in my opinion, uh directed to mislead individuals. Oh, we can't see your your dog because we haven't seen it and it's been 13 months now, and I just can't give you that. I have to what? I mean it's never been a problem before. Uh uh we we need the well, the the flea and tick medication for that particular case. Oh, we have to do uh anyway. So so that's good to hear. And and what's your opinion on on all these corporate buyouts of all the veterinics that are becoming like a a food chain where it's you know it's it's it's mostly about uh dollars and cents for the corporation and not PET care, in my opinion?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, I uh you know what I honestly I'm not a big fan. I uh I hear uh all the time feedback from clients and staff, staff that they are working at those clinics, doctors, support staff, veterinary nurses. Um they are not uh they are not very happy, you know. Uh veterinary practice, especially is a very unique uh business that has lots of heart and soul one-to-one, yeah, uh one-to-one with uh with patients and uh clients. Or clients become your friend and then become like family. Staff, the same thing. Lots of those small clinics in Ontario. That's how they are. And then when you run it through like a corporation, of course, corporation is all uh I I don't per se don't have anything against running a business through a corporation, right? But veterinary business is very unique, and some some other businesses probably are because corporation all becomes a bit bottom line and um and uh how much how much profit we are generating each quarter compared to the next quarter, um it it becomes very it it loses its heart and soul, it won't have a heart and soul anymore.
SPEAKER_03:Well um, I agree completely. I I I know where I regularly used to go, I I would always be in and and call up, and I I gave you the example about uh the uh flea and tick medication because um Gunner My Chocolate Lab had uh a flea or a tick on him, and so I get concerned with all the Lyme disease and things like that. But so I I went to find out oh no, he's not here anymore. I mean, what do you mean he's not here anymore? He founded this place. He built it. It was him and his partner that uh built it. Anyway, so I tracked him down and he said, Well, how come you Doug, what happened? He said, Well, we were bought out by we were approached by a corporation and given a great deal, so we thought and it was gonna run the same and and as well we understood it. And he said, I went on two-week holidays and came back a bit early and went into the office, and and we're such and such staff member, just like you you mentioned, Sassan, that uh, oh, well, you weren't here, so we laid that person off while you were away. And it was like we've been he was telling me that they'd been over 20 years that that person had worked there and had never been laid off. And he saw the things in it, just like you said, it was about dollars and cents and not about uh uh the the passion that people have for their pets and things like that. But yeah, it it is concerning. And so that's the first thing I I do when I look at a clinic now. I ask them, are you a corporate clinic or not? And fortunately I've been able to track down a bunch of non-corporate ones uh so that I can deal with depending on where I'm at. Yeah, of course, yeah.
SPEAKER_08:And then they they are some of them are hopefully they are they're learning it soon. I know a few clinics that they had to actually close down. So they they were locally here in this area uh uh in Aurora. There was just because the staff were just fed up, they all left, so they didn't have any staff. Um and they are they were struggling for a while to find staff because um and and you know what this this profession is very unique in sense it's you can it's very hard to find trained staff that they they like pets, they like what they do, they they are have their heart and soul in it. It's very hard. It's not just like running a pizza chain. I mean, if it's a pizza chain, yes, yeah, maybe you can do it corporate and you can do it, get away with it. But this is very different practice. And heart and uh in since you brought up the heart, uh the flea and take medications, our practice really, really, we would like to clients and pets coming if they can come off flea and take medications because flea and take medications very unfortunately, unfortunately, they can be very uh harmful for pets and people and the environment. And this is one of the main, main messages that we have uh in our clinic too. I have about probably close to 7,000 patients uh in our clinic. So it's a good sized clinic for a small one-bed practice. Uh, but I can tell you almost nobody in our clinic is on phleentic medications, maybe, maybe 1%.
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SPEAKER_03:Okay. Very good. So um I happen to do, because I do a lot of uh I I I don't know if you know my uh my my prime business, which is um, and I don't know if you're familiar with uh Chaga, the uh um Chaga Mushroom. Of course I love Chaga, yeah. Yeah, I well I I'm the Chaga Meister. Oh my god.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, and you know what I listen to. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I was listening to one of your podcasts. Yes, yes. I know I am a big fan of chaga. I uh recommend it for my patients. I do uh I love cooking. When I cook, I I cook stew or soups. I always put a piece of chaga in it and let it infuse in the food uh or I brew chaga myself. I'm I'm a big fan of chaga.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, very good. Well, uh I happen to be doing a lecture, and and the the one um the lecturer just before me was a um a person who was uh talking about flea and tick medication for canine stogs. And the um uh the the the she was trying to say that if you boost the immune system, you don't need to to give them the medications. Is there is there certain things that you can use uh that uh would deter or chase uh fleas and ticks away from dogs and cats and things like that? Or what what alternative is there to the medication that's out there?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, absolutely. So here's the first thing is the healthier they stay, the less attractive they become to fleas and ticks. Because fleas and ticks, they are look for those mainly they look, they they want an easy target, right? They want something easy to latch on, so they want something that don't fight them. So if a pet is uh healthy, is totally healthy from inside, there is less likely that uh they get flea and tick. However, ticks especially becoming more and more a problem in Ontario. When I started here, I um you would hardly uh hear about ticks, but because it's getting a bit warmer, ticks are moving from north, it's becoming more of a problem. So there are few things that we use and recommend to make the body less attractive for ticks, especially. Um uh one of them is uh herbal mixture of spirulina, uh garlic, um nettle, quasi. There are mixes that you can either make it or they are commercially available, you can put it in your pet's food. Okay. So they make the body smell unpleasant for the ticks, so the ticks don't like it, don't gravitate to it. And there are also collars that you can put around their neck. Some of them are ultrasonic, so they send ultrasonic wave um and they deter um ticks. And there is also one that is uh basically a ceramic collar that has it's very interesting, it has a baked in bacteria in it that it keeps emitting infrared light. And um, good too. Almost all my patients, they have it, they can purchase it online.
SPEAKER_03:Um also what's what's that uh collar called? Because uh I I'm getting all kinds of interesting things. I was trying to make note about your nettle garlic and uh some other stuff to feed the dog uh to deter ticks. But uh but I I I my understanding through uh Casey, my uh um son's fiance, that uh garlic was supposed to be bad for for dogs. Is that right or not?
SPEAKER_08:No, no, that is uh actually a myth. Uh garlic, yes, in a very high dose, it's bad, it's it's it's strong and potent. Same as us. I mean, you cannot sit and um eat eat it cloves of garlic after after you it makes you sick because it's very potent. Um however, um cats uh dog uh dog not cats dogs can have eat. Easily uh have a um clove of garlic for every 20 pound of body weight. Okay. Do we stay on the safe side? We said half a clove for every 20 pounds of body weight. No, garlic uh that was that went to the books somewhere about 20, 30 years ago, uh, and it never came out. Uh that the garlic is safe. Um so no, there's no such thing. Onion is a little bit different, but garlic is safe. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay, very good. So yeah, this is interesting. And you mentioned nettle. I'm assuming you're meaning stinging nettle. Uh that goes into the food as well. It helps out.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, yeah. And then you can use it even as an essential oil, put it in a spray bottle, dilute it, and spray it on the coat. Uh, so it's uh it smells um uh unpleasant for ticks.
SPEAKER_03:Um now, so are are you familiar with permitterin? Yes. Yes, okay. And so now the natural one came out of um an African, what was it? Uh I forget the plant. Is it a chrysanthemum? Um that uh they've modified to make it into permitterin. And is uh what about things like that?
SPEAKER_08:They are, you know what, because um especially as I said, I mean, especially now they have closing and and uh bandanas infused with with um um with less toxic pesticide or pest repellent that I um if push comes to shove, no, I don't have a problem with that. Because you know what, you cannot have a if you are living in a high-tech area, you gotta do something. And those um those measures that I recommend, they are probably 80%, they're most likely 80% protective, but my clients still find ticks on the drug. Um but regardless of what you do, even if you use those nasty pesticides and neurotoxins, you still see ticks on your pet. And what's happening, ticks are becoming more and more resistant to those pesticides. That's why you see every year they have to make them stronger, uh, turn it to triple or quadruple or double it up or use it less more often close together, so to become effective. And sooner or later they will be uh um ineffective again too.
SPEAKER_03:Right. So, yeah, because I know that uh there's uh there's been a lot of controversy over Prometherin. Um and it uh it it uh um yeah, it was a it was an African chrysanthemum that originally it came from that the I believe the Egyptians were using and uh they modified it uh so that it lasted longer. But uh there there's a lot more concern with the permithrin because it kills things like bees and all sorts of other things. But uh and I know I've tried it a couple of times because it's it's was legal in the States, and um I draw a line down the back of my uh chocolate lab gunner uh as I was directed to. But I see he still got ticks afterwards, which kind of surprised me. Yeah. Yeah. So um so I guess and Lyme disease, um have you dealt much with Lyme disease for dogs?
SPEAKER_08:Here's the thing. Lyme disease, yes. I mean, I have probably in our clinic about 300, I would two to 300 per year of my patients come positive with Lyme. But Lyme disease on its own in a healthy dog um is not is not uh is not a deadly disease. I mean, for every thousand dogs that gets infected with Lyme, uh, six dogs get six sick with clinical science. So the incidence of Lyme disease in dog is 0.6%, is a really low number if you think about it. And if you keep the inner milieu healthy, if they are on a good food, unprocessed food, uh not too much vaccines, and if the body stays hot strong, uh Lyme is not a deadly disease, but think about it. If Lyme was deadly, there wouldn't have been any wolf on coyote out there, they would have been all dead, right? Because it's not Lyme. It's not, it's not. You see, in in the past 20 years in my clinic, I have seen two dogs that they were really sick with Lyme. One of them came to me, older dog.
SPEAKER_03:Right.
SPEAKER_08:Uh and then uh that guy was, of course, affected. The kidney was affected, joint was affected, and um unfortunately that guy passed away. But the guy was 13 years old, okay? Okay, uh, so already older. And one of my patients, uh younger dog, two years old, but he had lots of lots of other problems, lots and lots of underlying problems, and it was not a strong patient, okay. That guy came down with Lyme, but uh thankfully he's doing good right now. He's he's fine. He's fine.
SPEAKER_04:Okay.
SPEAKER_08:Uh but those are the two that I saw in our practice, or three. There was one another one that died. So three, three cases.
SPEAKER_03:So I do a lot of primary research, is is what I've been listed as. And one of the things that I was able to come across, I came with a herbalist out of just out of the side of the Hamilton area, that he found it very interesting that the deer in his area were eating a thistle called teasel. And he started to do some research and found out that teasel and teasel root was an effective way to deal with Lyme disease. So I've had a number of individuals who've who humans who tested positive. I've only had it's a very small sample, select-I've only known three individuals that tried it and were successful. Uh and it was a hundred percent of those the three that tried it. What they used was something called Teasel Root and the Chaga, and they cured their own Lyme disease.
SPEAKER_08:That's amazing.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. Uh so what they did was with the Teasel root, they were taking one drop four times a day for a week, and then they took two drops four times a day for a week, all the way up to seven drops four times a day for a week. So it took seven weeks, and these individuals sent their blood to California. They went to the States, uh, Michigan, and they do the blood clinics there, and they send it to California, and uh they came back uh free and clear um each time. So I I don't know. I do like, as I mentioned, a lot of primary research, and I found that these individuals um and I've been trying to pass on information like this, but uh to be perfectly honest, uh a lot of the healthcare system just doesn't want to hear it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:That's really interesting. That's really interesting. I would love to, I will definitely look more into it. Uh, because what we do when I when my patients, so we do blood tests, we do blood tests to make sure they're um if they are Lyme positive. And what we do, uh, we do blood therapy. We use their own blood, uh, take their own blood and put it back into the body, and I make a remedy out of that blood. Um, and we use lots of homeopathic remedies in in those blood too, and we give it to them. So basically we have their health own immune system, protects them against Lyme. But I would love to know more about KISL and um and then um we can we can have it in our uh try it. I have to see how that's uh for dogs pans out. I I belong to uh uh uh Veterinary Botanical Medicine Association. I will look into it for sure, and I I would love to learn more about it.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, it's it's been very, very difficult to find Teasel Root. Actually, um there's one store uh in in um Brighton, it's called Sunflower Health Shop, uh Marianne's shop there. She carries, she has a herbalist there that makes teasel root for her. Other than that, the individuals that that that uh used it to clear their uh cure their, so they've told me their Lyme disease, uh they got it out of California because it was very, very difficult to find. But uh as I mentioned, I do a lot of primary research and and I try to find uh uh interested bodies uh to listen to these sort of things. But I'm very happy that you're Sasson, uh Dr. Hyatt, that you're gonna look into it because it could be another benefit to a lot of people that uh have pets with Lyme disease.
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Now something you you you mentioned about vaccinations and over-vaccinating. Yeah. Okay. Um kind of can can you go into that a bit? Because I have a lot of individuals that um like myself that think that there's too much vaccination for pets. And um I I well, I'll tell you, my pet gets vaccinated when he was a pup uh at uh about uh one and a half years old, and then at six years old was the next time he got his next one. So that's good. Uh that's good to hear. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Uh kind of give us your your your belief in in vaccinating pets.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah. So I listen, I'm not totally against vaccines, okay? I think that uh especially rabies, because as you know, they have rabies in Ontario. So it's important for pets to be protected against rabies. So what I what what is happening? Um those vaccines are very protective and very strong, lots of antigen, and they are um creating a strong immune response in the body, and the body is most of the time when they get one or two sets of those vaccines, they are most of the time uh protected for the rest of their life. They don't need to get it all the time. Um uh what we do, uh we just make sure that they are. I I think really dogs do not need to be maxed vaccinated against rabies more than two times. One when they are smaller, when they are young, for six months of age, and one um after that, uh one more time, and that's it. We do tighter testing with rabies, especially. There is a lab uh in Kansas State University, they do measure the immunity when the rabies vaccinated because legally in Ontario, they need to be either every three years uh vaccinated or you have to have a proof of immunity. So the proof of immunity means that if they have tider, so the lab thankfully does the tider test and then it gives you a number. It gives you a number, uh black and white, if it's uh above uh 0.5, the pets has immunity. We have done in our clinic probably close to 2,000 tider tests, and uh uh I have a good idea, and I'll show my colleagues that they do this, that they are they are uh those vaccines stay effective for years and years and years. So and when a dog has enough immunity and you keep provoking the immune system again with more vaccines, you are causing lots of lots of health issues, lots of lots of those autoimmunities that are or allergies, they are uh stemmed for uh too much vaccination. So do you know, and there are lots of other vaccines in the market that they are uh neither protective nor necessary in in my view. Um and and we have the proof for it here.
SPEAKER_03:Yes, um what the the second vaccination with which would have happened, but uh it was a strange incident. There was uh, to be perfectly honest, uh what happened was uh there was a I opened the door and there was a raccoon in the backyard at my place. Anyways, and so the raccoon, I called my chocolate lab, I called him off, he comes off. He comes in, the raccoon chased him into the house. Oh my goodness, yeah. And so we have this raccoon in the house, and I'm trying to get this raccoon out. And I never saw a behavior from a raccoon like that, so I thought, uh-oh, this is not normal. There's something unusual about this. Either that it was, or it was somebody had been feeding it and it became virtually domesticated. But uh, so that's when I got the the second vaccination for him. But what I got was uh it was called a nine-way vaccination that that comes out of the States and is supposed to be good for a minimum of five years for nine different uh uh potential uh uh infections that the dog could get. Have you heard about that?
SPEAKER_08:No, I haven't, but Jury, I have a little bit. I mean, I'm glad that your dog is fine and didn't have a problem with those uh multi-layered vaccines that they have put so many different um antigens in it, they are, if you do it often, you have more problems. You know, they are they call it combos also because they are putting so many different antigens in one vial. So you just basically hammer the body with so many different antigen. I try to um I try not to uh don't I wouldn't repeat it if you if you if it was you, I wouldn't repeat it for your talk. Don't do it again.
SPEAKER_03:No, he he's done. He's done uh getting vaccinations as far as I'm concerned uh for the rest of his life. And until normally what happens is if he gets to about 1213, uh then I looked at it at that time. But uh as far as I'm concerned, no, I'm I'm not uh administering any more to him, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_08:Yes, yes. And especially right now, there are uh what is happening right now, um the new vaccines, there are new vaccines coming. They are dog, vaccine for dogs, rabies, and under their vaccine that they are mRNA-based vaccines. So they are made with the mRNA technology.
SPEAKER_04:Right.
SPEAKER_08:And those are, in my opinion, because there's many, many experts and immunologists, doctors, it's not a very safe technology to have it in for dogs to do it because there's still lots of unanswered questions at how those mRNA vaccines work in the body, but because it's pretty new thing. So um, especially I would say that uh people should avoid those ones and ask your vet and make sure the vaccine that you are getting is just an old school vaccine if they are giving you a rabies vaccine. Right.
SPEAKER_03:Uh are you fill familiar with uh Robert Malone? Yeah, yeah. Okay, actually he called me about Chaga.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_03:He called me from uh California. Remember, I said I'm the Chaga Meister?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, my goodness. Wow, yeah. I I I follow him quite uh quite closely for years. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah. It uh he was uh we spoke about Chaga because uh quite frankly, I had a research study that was uh published that showed that uh Chaga had the ability to effectively negate the negative actions of COVID on uh the body and eliminate the overabundance of inflammation causing people to go on on uh ventilators. And um and we tried to discuss that, but it would be uh in order his exact words was well, in order to get it accepted mainstream, you're looking at 20 to 30 million U.S. in order to get it into the system. But uh that was one of the key reasons. But yeah, his MRN the the uh MRNA research uh was his area that he specialized in.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. He was the one that started it, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03:Okay, we're with Bev here in Lindsay. And Bev, you've got some experience with Chaga that you'd like to share with some people. Tell us uh two stories. Start with your father's story.
SPEAKER_01:Hi, Jerry. Um Well, um my dad had mentioned to me that he was struggling with his blood pressure and he'd gone on meds and it wasn't bringing it down. He was running around 180, 185, and wasn't enjoying that at all. And um And so I suggested that he try the chug of tea because I knew some other people that had had a good experience with it, and I knew my own experience with it. He started doing the chug of tea every day. Um he stuck it in with his coffee, so he only had to drink one thing a day, and within three weeks he had dropped from 180 to 140, which he was really excited about. But what it what he was even more excited about was that about three to four weeks after that, he had gone down to 125. So we're really grateful for the difference the chaka has made with his blood pressure.
SPEAKER_03:And he wasn't doing there wasn't any other medications or changes this to do the change?
SPEAKER_01:No, this was the actually the only shift. He didn't shift anything diet-wise, physical exercise-wise at all. The only thing he added in that he hadn't been doing before was chaga.
SPEAKER_03:And put it in his coffee, I believe, I could say. Okay, and you have your own story now. I have my own story.
SPEAKER_01:So I I started on chaga when I um I met Jerry just as I realized that I was going into a relapse of multiple cirrhosis that I I had not relapsed for approximately 25 years, so I was a little startled about it and wanted to get on it. And um, so I was in the process of changing a lot of things so that I could um go back into relapse rather than dealing with the MS symptoms. And so I did change diet and I stopped physical exercise so that my body would have more rest, and I added the chakra in. And within within I mean within five days, I noticed that the nerve sensory issues I was having in my legs was already settling down. And within about three weeks, I have the strength to walk unassisted again. And I am about three months in. And um I have um taking a 10-day break from it a couple of times just to, you know, you know, just so that my body, you know, can stay balanced, you know, without it. But every time I go back on it, I um I can feel the difference in mental clarity and in the way my nerves are communicating, and I'm I'm walking very, very well now.
SPEAKER_03:Very good. Well, thank you very much for sharing your story with the first time.
SPEAKER_01:Thanks for thanks for hollering me and asking me to try to free cut that one farmer's market morning.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I'm glad it's working out for you.
SPEAKER_01:Thanks, Jerry.
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SPEAKER_08:So heartworm, the incidence of heartworm in Ontario is pretty low. It's very low. So what we do for heartworm, uh we uh we do blood screening testing. Okay, so we recommend them once a year uh do a blood test. This blood test can be done in any vet clinic and make sure they are negative. And especially with heartworm, you know, at the time, from the time that a dog gets bitten by a mosquito that carries the larva till it shows clinical sign, it takes about three years. It's not that the dog gets bitten tomorrow today by heart by a mosquito that carries heartworm and tomorrow gets sick. So the um it takes a long time for the larva to mature and become evolves and becomes problematic. So once or twice a year, if you do the blood test, you you can be rest assured that there is no problem uh regarding heartworm. And if there is a problem with heartworm, let's say if they come positive, they can use the same pesticide, I mean, either ivermectin-based, that is safer, or the other pesticides that uh easily gets rid of them. As long as you catch it early. So if you catch early heartworm, heartworm is not a problem. Uh we, as I said, we had we were doing this for 20 years between me and my colleagues. Um, and we never ever recommended heartworm or flee and take medications. And I never ever had anybody come back to me and say, hey, listen, we should have never heard listen to you. And that was a bad idea. Never. Um so heartworm is not a problem. As I said, heartworm is not a problem. Uh fleas, yes. I mean, if you have fleas, and ticks, those are the problems.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, and now uh the the same medication for fleas, because we did me mention you we did talk a bit about the um the tech medications and suggestions there.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, same for fleas. Uh fleas are different. I mean, fleas, listen, I if if a pet gets fleas, uh I always tell clients uh the only thing worse than flea and tech medications is having a house full of fleas. So you don't want that because it's a nightmare, okay?
SPEAKER_04:Yeah.
SPEAKER_08:So if they get here's the line that we draw. If we have a pet that gets fleas and often or comes with fleas, ISOR normally, so of course they can use flea shampoos, they can use uh different things, but sometimes they need, most of the time, they need to use something that is stronger. Uh, we recommend a product that is ivermectin-based. It's called Revolution. Uh, it's a selectin. Um, and it's uh it's it's relatively safer than many other pesticides in the market. And it just uh helps further infestation uh when they are using it. Um so that is what I use for, I I recommend if there is a flea problem. But as I said, if you keep the pets healthy, um normally fleas are far, far less problems. I probably per year I have maybe seven or eight clients that they end up using uh a flea protection. That's for a very short period of time, they use it for three or four months, they get rid of the ta the fleas, and then um and then we take it from there.
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, I try to. Now, I have to tell you, the the the big corporate uh clinics are telling you that and that was one of the things that I got into an argument with them about was that, oh, you have to have your dog on it all year long.
SPEAKER_08:Oh, no, no, no.
SPEAKER_03:And I said, no. I said, no, it's uh they're not active this time of the year. Why would I do that? And it just drives me a little bit crazy, you know, because probably, Sason, you don't realize no, but uh my chocolate lab gunner is is a member of the family, and we take care of him the best of our ability and doing everything that we can with him. I mean, in the living room, he has his own special chair, and that's his chair, and he knows he doesn't go on the couch, he doesn't go on any of the other chairs, he has his one chair, and that's it. Uh but uh we he is a member of the family and we take care of him to the best of our ability to do everything we can for him. So w what sort of other things uh do you suggest for things like arthritis or diabetes?
SPEAKER_08:Okay, so first of all is diet. I mean, uh pets, unfortunately, they are on such a poor dietary uh cables or and it doesn't matter what the ingredients are, they uh they are cables that the ingredients are a bit better, but they are highly processed. They are considered ultra-processed food because the way that they put them together, they are high heated, extruded, and then sprayed with uh seed oils uh and flavors, and then uh put in a bag, and they are very inflammatory. So in our clinic, uh we recommend either um it's a whole food diet, either cooked or raw. So that's the first thing that I would love my um clients to do. Um cable. If they for some reason are not able to cook or they have a problem with raw food, the next best options are the food that are freeze-dried, so they are minimally processed. Um and then even freeze-dried, they have to incorporate um fresh vegetables in it. So they can just steam it, chop it, and uh add to the bowl, or crack and raw egg, um, add a little bit of good yogurt, so just incorporate good food and fresh food. Mushrooms, I'm a big fan of adding mushrooms to the dog's food. Um, they can use chitake, brown mushrooms, they can brew chaga, put chaga in the food, reshi. Um, and eat seasonal, eat something same as us. Um eat with the season.
SPEAKER_03:As a matter of fact, later today, uh my wife Diane and I will be cooking our our next nine days of Gunnar's food, because every nine days, uh we we usually use uh three pounds of some sort of a meat. I don't use pork, but everything else uh include that, along with uh sweet potato, broccoli, apples. Um it's uh a rice that uh we use as well, and uh a number of uh things like well, garlic powder, uh oregano, merigum, uh parsley. Uh there's a whole list of things that uh we provide. And and he just can't wait. Uh rosemary as well. And I did actually a podcast where medicinal herbs uh people can start to use and start to cook with those things for better health as well. And it's the same, obviously, for Petsun, is what I'm hearing here. But I think as of today, I'm gonna add some in today's batch. We'll add a little bit of chaga powder uh that I produce into his food as well. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_08:Absolutely. No, that's that sounds really good. So same thing. I always tell clients, I mean, feed your dog uh same food you should you should you should eat the same food that your uh dog is eating. It's very, very similar to what we cook for ourselves. Just a very good, healthy, wholesome food uh stew. There's there's a very few things that dogs cannot eat. Of course, grapes, you know that grapes, raisins is better to uh stay away with it. Nobody knows why grapes and raisins are uh toxic to dogs. I believe many people believe it's the pesticide that they put on it. Um but some dogs get really sick with uh grapes and raisin. Some dogs are fine, but some dogs get really sick. I have seen dogs in kidney failure in emergency clinic with grapes eating grapes. So grapes, uh, macadamia nuts, uh, chocolate, of course, um those are the things that they um you should stay away, chocolate. Um uh but the rest of it, uh almost everything that grows under the sun and we eat, those guys have eaten, uh can eat it. Just uh make sure uh if it's the first time, just uh do a test drive, do a little bit, see how the body tolerates it, because we are all a different.
SPEAKER_03:Great. So I have a question then. I and one of the things that I I do so uh I invented, I have huge success for people with uh uh skin cream for eczema and psoriasis. But um part of the formula is cacao butter, which is what they make chocolate out of. Is that something that could not be applied on because I had people that uh uh were putting this on sores on their dogs or tumors on their dogs. Is that something that is not recommended because of the cacao butter in there? It's cacao butter.
SPEAKER_08:Uh very interesting, uh, because um what is toxic in chocolate for dogs is teobromine. So cacao butter, it's I'm not sure to be honest with you. It depends how much teobromine cacao butter has. Um, and I can tell you, small amount of it, so small amount of teobromine for so there is a level that they tolerated over than that becomes toxic. Okay. So you have to see how much teobomine in that cream is, to the that cocoa butter is, and whether it uh it reaches the threshold. And of course, the smaller the dog, because it's per uh milligram per kilogram, right? So the smaller the dog, the more sensitive they will become to it. So if it's used for the big dog, a little bit of cream, uh most likely it's okay. But if you have a two, three pounds little um yorky or or or chihuahua, you should be over careful, a little bit careful. And their age, the older they become, the more sensitive they become to these things.
SPEAKER_03:Aaron Powell Okay. Yeah, I I know I've had individuals tell me that um they they had the cream for their their own uses and they put it on their dog, and it cleared up the open source uh very effectively, and they were quite shocked at it. So and it's not something that I promote the cream for because I don't have enough testimonials and I don't have enough research to to know the impacts on that. So now you mentioned Kansas State University. Um most of the research that I find regarding canines and natural products uh come out of Penn State University. Is there places out there that you would suggest that people can find more research? Because I'm one of those uh research individuals. Like I like to verify things rather than just um anecdotal or hearsay. So where can people find research?
SPEAKER_08:So there are a couple of associations uh in most, two of them are in the state. It's the if if for herbs, especially herbs for pets, is Veterinary Botanical Medicine Association, so uh VBMA, uh, that is one very good source to find out good webinars and good sources of herbs. There's a few really, really good herbalists that they are uh they started the association, and um and that is one source. There is another association, it's American Holistic Medicine Association, uh AHVMA. Um, and they are uh vets that they do practice holistic medicine different modalities. There is also a school, there is an online school, it's called College of Integrative Veterinary Therapies, uh, CIVT. Uh they are based in Australia and they have good um good courses for veterinarians and for public to go and see, and they publish, uh they have lots of case studies and lots of researches that they are uh publishing. So there's there's more and more resources coming out, uh coming along uh too. And there is of course the Qi Institutes uh in uh Florida, they are um they're more geared to acupuncture and um Chinese medicine, TCM for pets.
SPEAKER_03:Oh, okay, very interesting. And I've been marking these down. So what was that college of integrated?
SPEAKER_08:It's called CIVT, it's College of Integrative Veterinary Therapies.
SPEAKER_03:Therapy. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I I've marked all those in the American Holistic Medical Association, the VDMA, as well as the Florida TCM. Uh because once we're done here, uh I'm uh one of those obsessive, compulsive individuals that uh I'll be looking a lot of those things up because uh I think Yeah, that's very good. So are there preventative things that you suggest that people can take for their pets?
SPEAKER_08:Preventative for health?
SPEAKER_03:Yeah, so it's just a booster immune system. Or I know Chaga.
SPEAKER_08:Yes, Chaga is one of them. Uh being a being a good food, so good food is the main thing. So stay away from processed food, stay away from over-vaccination, do not use pesticides. And then uh the other thing, as you know, uh we are exposed, no matter how healthy we try to stay ourselves and our pants, we are exposed to lots of lots of environmental toxins, especially glyphosate. Glyphosate is everywhere. So I um I recommend patients to go on um ingredients. I don't know, are you familiar with pectosol? Pectosol is a uh structured pectin that actively binds to glyphosate and gets rid of the glyphosate from the body. So I I um there are a few things, but one of them, pectosol is um is is quite effective. So I recommend, especially patients that live on or near golf courses or farmlands, that they are spread all the time with glyphosate. I recommend them to go on and off on uh pectosol to basically detox the body from glyphosate, uh, because you know that probably there's a strong link because between glyphosate and uh destruction of the microbiome, liquid gut, cancer, lymphoma. Um so did there is a strong link there.
SPEAKER_03:Uh one is this I just want to this pectasol. Um how how do you spell the pectasol, just so I get it right?
SPEAKER_08:Is P-E-C-T-A uh S O L, I believe. Pectasol.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, very good. I almost had it right. And because I know uh that glyphosphate that you're mentioning, I had um a Master Gardener on that was um conversations with myself afterwards that felt that a lot of the uh gluten intolerance was specifically because of glyphosphate as opposed to gluten. So this pectasol, how do you consume that or how is it taken?
SPEAKER_08:Is it a tablet? You few companies make it, uh, few companies, a couple of them in the state, and now in Canada, too, AOR is one of them that makes it. Uh you it's just a tablet. You take it as an empty on an empty stomach in the morning. I on and off take it myself too, because as I said, it's everywhere. Doesn't matter even if you try to um eat food that are non-sprayed or organic, but there are still pesticides everywhere. Um and then the other thing is water. One that's very overlooked is to be clean water. I recommend my patients to be stay off tap water as much as they can uh because of the amount of pharmaceuticals that is in the tap water, chlorine fluoride, um uh, and then uh forever ke forever chemicals, what you name it.
SPEAKER_03:Um what about alkaline water? Is that make a difference? Do you know?
SPEAKER_08:Alkaline water, you know, but there is lots of, it's very interesting. I was talking to a client about it recently. Yes, I mean we know that the body, if the body works alkaline, cancer cells have are less likely to grow in it. Okay. Yes. They uh they they prefer an acidic environment. However, with alkaline water, I always have that question when you drink alkaline water, the first thing that you do, it goes in your stomach and your stomach acid neutralizes it. Because we have a very acidic stomach. So I'm not totally I know there is lots of research or lots of talk about this to make the body alkaline, make the water alkaline. Alkaline, but I'm not hundred percent sold yet that how that does work. I'm I'm curious, I'm very curious about it. That but definitely consuming more alkaline forming food, like lots of green vegetables, lots of um unprocessed food that creates in the body an alkaline environment that's definitely I always advocate for it because I think that's a really good idea to protect your body against cancer.
SPEAKER_03:Interesting, I know. Um yeah, it's it's so many different things. And one of the things you mentioned earlier on, which um I'll go to a bit of a background with it. Uh you mentioned about a clean house. Now I had a mycologist from the University of Toronto on on a podcast where they were able to identify the house that a baby was crawling in because of the through through examinations of their poop because the babies are close to the ground, and certain houses have different types of dust in the house that could be identified to a specific house. So one of the things that I found is and I spoke to the mycologist about this, is uh my chocolate lab, he sleeps beside the bed on his own mat on the floor, and occasionally about every four days he gets up and he wanders around and he's he's moving all over the place and on and on and on. However, if I take the the blanket that's on top of the the uh the foam that he sleeps on and put it in the dryer for 20 minutes, solid night sleep, no problem at all. Doesn't move, doesn't do anything. And I'm assuming that there's something, whether it's dust mites or whatever, inside the blanket that's annoying him. Is is those the sorts of things that make a difference for pets, or have you done any research or heard anything about things like that?
SPEAKER_08:Absolutely, absolutely. You know what? Dust mites are one of the known allergens, environmental allergens in the house, that pets can be uh allergic to it and react to it. Yeah, that's a really you made a very good connection. And um and then also uh different um detergent, laundry detergent. Uh sometimes pets can be allergic to it. Okay, the residue in it that stays in the pet sheets, uh sometimes they can react to it.
SPEAKER_03:Um normally what I do is I do a double rinse cycle after I use laundry detergent detergent. Does that help or is it just I'm being overcautious?
SPEAKER_08:And and using a little bit more, I'm sure you probably do that, use more uh natural products that they are not so heavily um scented and uh full of chemical. They are now better products around um if you look.
SPEAKER_03:Absolutely. However, um my wife Diane and I have discussions about that all the time. Uh it's on the store, it's gotta be safe. It's it's you know, they they wouldn't sell things that are not safe, and I just say No, no, no. No, do not do not use uh the the the laundry sheets that uh or the the towels that go in the dryer and my stuff and anything else and things like that because I try and reduce all those things.
SPEAKER_08:You know the fabric, you know, the strong association between fabric softener and pancreatic cancer that they found recently, right? So whatever the reasons. Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03:Very interesting. Well, I know I had um another specialist that provided pet care in a different way, Dr. Fanella out of the uh Whitby Chiropractic that only does chiropractic for pets, which was uh uh and and the story was I had a another chocolate lab prior to the one I have now that he was playing with a 156-pound Burmese mountain uh dog and jumped on my dog's back, and I they took it to to my vet and they put him on these uh medications because I could tell he had trouble going up and down stairs and he couldn't jump up, um, you know, like all sorts of things like that. So but the dog was basically stoned. It would go outside, it would go down two steps and fall over and roll and bounce up, and it was just like crazy. I said, this isn't good. So I took it in and one adjustment from the uh chiropractor there, uh, and uh it was back to normal. And I could tell that uh when things were bad, uh I took him in, he got an adjustment. Are you finding other things like that are are becoming more prevalent in the pet care industry that people are looking for alternatives to uh the big pharma, shall we say?
SPEAKER_08:Yes, absolutely. Yes, absolutely. Uh a good, carefully done chiropractic adjustment is definitely helpful for pets. And what I like even more is an osteopathic adjustment, because most chiropractic adjustments are really osteopathic adjustments that are uh very helpful. They are uh they're now more and more osteopaths uh that I uh refer patients to and good chiropractors in this area that I have. I am and uh yes, that uh I find it very helpful. And uh physio rehabs, exercises, they are all becoming more and more um very same thing that we look for uh staying healthy, they are becoming more and more available for pets.
SPEAKER_03:Well, I I I've been uh Dr. uh Hyed uh Sasan, uh I've been absolutely uh I'm loving doing this podcast because uh Gunner, I talk about him every single podcast. I start off every one. I give his updates and what's happening and what's new. I mean, the one time he came in, oh, so maybe this is a good one that you could kind of give. So I open the back door and out he goes. And uh we have some rabbits in the back. So he's off chasing something, and the back door was left open because it was um that time of the year where it wasn't uh uh it was the temperature was right. And he comes back in and he's I look over and he's rubbing his face on the carpet, and then he runs over to the couch and he's rubbing his face on the couch. Oh no, it wasn't a rabbit he was chasing, it was a skunk. Oh my goodness. What what do you recommend to get rid of skunk smell off a pet?
SPEAKER_08:Well, very good point. Uh so skunk smell. Um, the best thing to do when they get because it's very hard to get off rid of the uh skunk smell. The very first thing to do, you have to get the baking soda, baking soda powder, and just rub it on the coat, okay? And then just leave it. I mean, most people, the mistake that we do is you go and start washing the pad uh quickly with some detergent. And because when you do this, the skunk, the oil, the uh that skunk uh um that the scent is made of, it starts seeping through the skin and stays there for months. So if you can um dust, put a put a fine dust of baking soda everywhere that uh the um uh this uh the coat has been exposed and do it a few times and then leave it for a week and then after the week wash it. Uh that happened to my dog just uh a few months ago in summer. So I did the same thing. Um after about 10 days, um uh you go and um I went to my groomer and she did um I have a colleague. Uh she did a good uh wash. So that will prevent skunk smelt lingering because when you wash it right away uh with a detergent uh that forms, normally, no matter how many times you do it, it will it will stay uh with your dog for at least two, three months till the skin rejuvenates itself. There are other stuff that people are recommending tomato juice, um hydrogen peroxide, uh Coca-Cola, those things. But but I find that this one just it works best. Uh just the baking soda, just put it over the body and just wait.
SPEAKER_03:Uh so the the that's what we use was the the peroxide. Um and it it worked very well from what I experienced there. Good, good, perfect. Yeah, and of course, there's different grades of it. And what you can get in the store is I think it's only 3%, but it was very effective with water and eliminating and reducing it. And so you don't think that was a problem at all?
SPEAKER_08:No, no, no. If it worked for you, that's good. And then remember, you have a lab. So labs have a have a shorter coat. I have a collie, so this guy is all fur.
SPEAKER_03:So very good. Well, I very much appreciate uh our time and you taking the time to be on our podcast with us. Um, Dr. Hyatt, how can people get in touch with you or find out more information? And are you open to new patients uh for your clinics?
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, we take new patients. However, we are a little bit uh there's a little bit of wait time, but we do, yes, we do limited uh number of take a limited number of new patients. Um and we are if they can basically Google us. I mean, if you Google uh uh Holistic Vet Ontario, we will come up. Um my practice is in New Market and um yeah.
SPEAKER_03:Okay, so uh just uh Holistic uh Vets Ontario is how to get in touch with you.
SPEAKER_08:The practice name is actually we are under the name of Northeast New Market Vet Services, uh, but we are known as De Holistic Vet. So if they Google De Holistic Vet Ontario, um uh it we should come up.
SPEAKER_03:Okay. Well, I very much appreciate you taking the time to be on the on the podcast. I will be reaching out uh because I I am in looking for a um a vet, and I think that uh we think along the same ideologies of our pets, we want to take care of them the best of our ability with uh those sorts of things. And uh I really appreciate you taking the time. Thanks for uh very much uh Sassal and Dr. Hyatt for being on the podcast with us.
SPEAKER_08:Yeah, my pleasure, Jerry. Thanks. Pleasure is mine. Thanks for having me.
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