Episode 153: Bees Under The Canopy

A bear can erase an entire beekeeping season overnight. A single plant choice can change how many butterflies, hummingbirds, and bees show up in your yard for months. We follow those two realities into a wide-ranging outdoor conversation that stays grounded in practical detail, real stories, and the kind of “small things” that quietly shape a life outside.

We talk with Master Gardener Bev about building a pollinator-friendly garden that actually works across the seasons. We dig into edible trees that feed bees in spring, plus reliable perennials like hostas and daylilies, and why milkweed still matters for monarchs. You’ll also hear how lilacs and wild asters fit into the bigger bloom calendar, and why planting for wildlife doesn’t have to mean sacrificing a beautiful garden.

Then we head to Halliburton with Ron, a lifelong bee aficionado and honey producer, to get a clear-eyed look at modern beekeeping. We cover how location changes honey yield, what beeswax colour really means, and the hard parts people don’t always see: predators like bears, electric fence setups, and the ongoing concern around mites and hive health. Ron also shares how honey gets analysed by pollen content, why he sends samples to the Palace, and what to know about fake “honey” and syrup adulteration. We also include a Chaga cream testimonial and a listener discount code for anyone curious about Chaga products.

If you care about local honey, backyard beekeeping, pollinator plants, native gardening, and outdoor living in Ontario and beyond, this one gives you plenty to take back to your own yard. Subscribe, share this with a friend who loves the outdoors, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

Transcript

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Chaga Curiosity And Under The Canopy

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As the world gets louder and louder, the lessons of our natural world become harder and harder to hear, but they are still available to those who know where to listen. I'm Jerry O'Lean, and I was honored to serve as Ontario's Minister of Natural Resources. However, my journey into the woods didn't come from politics. Rather, it came from my time in the bush and a mushroom. In 2015, I was introduced to the birch-hungry fungus known as Chaga, a tree conch with centuries of medicinal applications used by indigenous peoples all over the globe. After nearly a decade of harvest, use testimonials and research, my skepticism has faded to obsession. And I now spend my life dedicated to improving the lives of others through natural means. But that's not what the show is about. My pursuit of this strange mushroom and my passion for the outdoors has brought me to the places and around the people that are shaped by our natural world. On Outdoor Journal Radio's Under the Canopy podcast, I'm going to take you along with me to see the places and meet the people that will help you find your outdoor passion and help you live a life close to nature and under the canopy. So join me today for another great episode, and hopefully, we can inspire a few more people to live their lives under the canopy.

Leech Bites And Roadside Wild Plants

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All across Canada, the States, Ghana, Caribbean, our friends in the Bahamas. Oh, yeah, we got all the crew in Alberta and Manitoba and all through Ontario. And anybody got any questions, don't be afraid to ask. Anybody got any suggestions for shows? Let us know. We'll see what we can do. We try to answer a lot of the questions and get the details out for people as they like. So but today we're gonna have a few interesting guests, I believe. I'm hoping to get uh a number on that'll talk about a bunch of different stuff that we've had in the past. Now lately we've got what? Things are good with gunner. I'm getting up there a little bit on an age, which is wearing them down a bit, but he gets out and swimming all day at the lake the other day, and then two days he was sleeping. And I don't know about anybody else, but I gotta tell you, I was in rebuilding cribs and docks and stuff like that, redoing them and leech bites. I put the chag of cream on the leech bites and it goes away, but when the cream wears off, the crazy itch just drives me nuts. So if anybody got any suggestions on what takes away leech bite bite itches, would be greatly appreciated so I can kind of figure things out a little bit better. Now we're seeing on the roadsides everywhere loads of chicory. And they seem to grow in that kind of condition, right along the edge of the roads in the gravelly part where it grows from gravel to the road, to the grass and the fields or whatever beside it, and then the gravelly parts, you get these tall, about I don't know, about 24 maybe 30 inch plants, so like a single well, stem with these kind of pale blue flowers, and that's chicory, and it's all over the place right now. We're seeing quite a bit of chicory. And I was out with the sons the other day, they wanted to play some golf, and I came across a patch of teasel. Teasel thistle. And teasel is uh I had a number of people use teasel root to help with their Lyme disease. So I'm gonna be hitting back once the because it was old flowers that I was seeing. I couldn't get any seed off them. But I'm also gonna see if I can get some of the new plants that'll be there, see if I can work with some of the peasel root to develop a little bit more of interesting responses with teaseless. Okay,

Garden Plants That Attract Wildlife

SPEAKER_03 5:19

we're with Master Gardener Bev Extraordinaire. And uh Bev, we've got some questions coming up where people are asking, and and you're the one to answer these questions. What kind of plants should people use or to to attract wildlife, whether it's uh rabbits or deer uh or uh birds and insects like butterflies and stuff like that? What kind of plants do you recommend that uh people should be looking at uh for those kind of purposes as well?

SPEAKER_05 5:47

Well, they they can use uh both your ornamental plants as well as your edible plants. So for the edibles um to attract bees, let's use bees as an example, all your apple trees, pear trees, cherry trees, um even uh things like your uh pin cherries, like anything that blooms, yeah, the bees will be at. Right.

SPEAKER_03 6:10

But um there's so they that would be in the spring when they're when they're harvesting the pollen off the apple trees and cherry trees and things like that, right?

SPEAKER_05 6:18

Pollen and nectar.

SPEAKER_03 6:19

Right, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:20

Yeah, and um ornamental, I always say to people um two top perennials in North America are hostas for the shade and daylilies for your sunny your sunny beds. And those are the two of the best ones to bring in butterflies.

SPEAKER_11 6:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

Um also the hostas, the hummingbirds absolutely love hosta blooms, and I think because they're so loaded with nectar, they can go and feed at them more than once a day.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_05 6:46

Yeah, and uh yeah, and butterflies, daylilies. Like daylilies are an amazing uh way to bring in different butterflies other than monarchs into your your garden. Of course, the milkweed is going to bring the monarchs. Right. Once you introduce uh different kinds of daylilies, you'll find that you'll get many more different kinds of uh butterflies.

SPEAKER_03 7:07

Okay. And so are there other ones that you would suggest? Because now do they uh they're not constant blooming though, are they?

SPEAKER_05 7:14

No.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

So they would be certain for short periods of time. So you've got like spring, summer, late blooms and things like that.

SPEAKER_05 7:21

Yeah, so for the back to the butterflies, you the lilacs and in your in the first thing in the spring, that's that they really feed heavy on the lilacs and then the daylilies. And then when you get into the fall, there's all the wild asters. Okay. Um they're they're a real draw for for uh butterflies and the um um and the swamp milkweed, as well as the just the regular milkweed.

SPEAKER_03 7:47

Swamp milkweed. Yeah, what's swamp milkweed?

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Well, it's it's more multi-stemmed and and um multi-stemmed milkweed, yeah. Yeah, like it grows it has a finer, a finer stem, like it's not quite as robust looking. Okay. I I'm I'm at well I can't think of the botanical name for it. Right. But uh it it's considered like a swamp milkweed. And the bloom is similar to the regular one, except it's got more of the orangey colors to it, but the form is the same.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

Um, I gotta tell my milkweed story because uh it comes up when when we talk about milkweed. So I was in Thunder Bay doing a speech up there and I was with the um he was the uh the chief financial the chief administrating officer for Thunder Bay and he says What are you doing tonight, Jerry? I said, Oh, I got no plans. Why is it I just got my speech tomorrow morning? He said, Well, why don't you come over? We're having a blooming tonight. I said, A blooming. What do you mean a blooming? What's a blooming? He says, Oh, well, I got a flower that's gonna bloom tonight. I said, Well, how do you know that? And he said, Oh, it's just it's a night blooming primrose, not an evening primrose, a night blooming primrose, and it kind of looks like a dandelion, but it's kind of neat. Anyway, so while I'm there, um we were looking, he says, Oh, you've got uh milkweed there, and I says, Yeah, my wife was uh belongs to the garden club up here and they were selling milkweed seeds. They're selling milkweed seeds up here. I said, How much was uh a milkweed seed? Oh, it was ten dollars for one seed for milkweed. I said, What? So I went and I said, I'll get you some milkweed. So I went back and I picked, I don't know, a a whole box full of a 12 by 12 box and shipped it up to them just to say thanks, and here you go. Lots of milkweed available up there now.

SPEAKER_05 9:25

Oh wow, that is expensive for one seed.

SPEAKER_03 9:28

Yeah, I thought so. But anyways, all right, Bev. Well, thanks very much. We appreciate that. And if our listeners have any more questions, let us know and we'll get the experts to answer them as best we can. Okay. Thanks, Bev.

SPEAKER_05 9:38

Thanks, Jim.

Beekeeping Basics With Ron

SPEAKER_03 9:41

Okay, we're with Ron here in Halliburton. And Ron is a bee afectionado. Ron's got the the um the the Loft House beeswax company. Okay, so Ron, tell us how long you've been in the bees.

SPEAKER_02 9:59

Oh, I uh smelt bees at age five, and then I decided to go to school uh learning more about bees, and uh that took me to an agricultural college, and then after that I took a uh university uh master's in Cornell in New York.

SPEAKER_03 10:15

Oh, really? So you've got a lot of experience, a lot of uh bee information, and uh seems pretty busy, so we we'll we'll we'll get a chance to talk a little bit on and off. But uh so Cornell, that's uh very good. You must be really into bees then.

SPEAKER_02 10:33

Well, it was I didn't get enough information from uh Ridgetown, which was a subsidiary of uh University of Guelph. Right. So I uh attended uh Cornell to get more information on bees, and I did. Um a guy by the name of Roger Morse was the uh head prof uh at Cornell all in apiculture, and uh he's written written many, many books on the study of bees. Just an excellent uh uh teacher.

SPEAKER_03 11:01

Very good. Okay, so you've got um asswood and a bunch of the trees, and and bees need that because it's a different time of year than the flowers come out, correct? Yeah, a lot of people just assume that bees are pollinating flowers and not just flowers, but trees and stuff like that uh require pollination, right?

SPEAKER_02 11:18

Uh Halliburton is uh source, uh big source for tree pollen and nectar.

SPEAKER_11 11:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Uh the bees are uh have a very small amount of nectar compared to an agricultural area like like Lindsay or Aurelia, where it's it's uh a huge agricultural uh intake.

SPEAKER_11 11:37

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:38

So okay, so my my analysis, I just sent my analysis uh with uh for a spring uh cake, and it will be heavy on uh dandelion, blue weed, and clover. Uh but that's gone to the lab now, and when I get it back, I'll I'll actually put it in a gift box and send it to Buckingham Palace. And uh the king is quite a naturalist as well. Right. And uh if I'm real lucky, I might I might get lucky and have tea with you.

SPEAKER_03 12:08

Well, um I'll I'll have to show you uh um an image uh after we're done, Ron, where I presented his mother with uh a park in her name. I'm the one that presented it and uh during her um what was that, the uh um 50th anniversary, I believe it was, of her coronation, as uh um way just to say thank you for your majesty for all that. It's kind of interesting. You you go through all these protocol sessions when you meet the queen, and um, you know, you you it's her grace or her majesty, and uh you do a bunch of different things like um you never put your hand out to shake her hand, only if she puts your hands out, uh then you they shake. So you go to these protocols, and it was very interesting, very nice lady. And I also my son also met uh now King Charles before he was king. And uh I talk to my son all the time, Josh, and say, now you're probably the only one in all your friends that have ever met the King of England. So it was interesting, but uh yeah, I presented her with a a provincial park in her name Queen Elizabeth Wildlands, not too far from Halliburton here.

SPEAKER_02 13:15

But yeah, so so how many hives do you have, Ron? Oh, in my heyday I had 80. Um, but uh now I just uh I've retired to about a half a dozen in the backyard, and in order to keep the uh quantity uh live, I uh I sublet to uh a beekeeper just outside of Aurelia that has 350 hives. Oh, that's quite a bit.

SPEAKER_03 13:39

Okay, so you've you've you're you've cut way back from 80 hives down to what you currently have just to keep you busy, right? That's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

But uh things have kind of spiraled in in the uh direction that I really wasn't quite prepared for, and uh I now have uh access to over 1,100 stores in Canada. So I'm I'm at a pinnacle in my career again, yeah, and I um just trying to decide how I uh handle this uh 1,100 1,1100 store surge.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

Right. So and which I so the stores are gonna carry your product? What products do you have?

SPEAKER_02 14:17

We have uh honey, we have uh beeswax candles, we have uh propolis from for throat and uh uh mouth uh uh recuperation, and we also have uh candies that we send our honey to, and they send back about 12 different flavors from Nutrio.

SPEAKER_03 14:37

Oh, okay. So you still quite uh now how much honey would you get out of, say, one hive?

SPEAKER_02 14:44

It depends on the location. Uh in an agricultural area, we can get uh up to three or four hundred pounds per hive per season. Oh really? Oh yeah, it's it's it's huge in a good uh a good area of uh agricultural uh consumption. Um here here in Halliburton, we we'll get about a hundred jars, 101 kg jars out of uh what is available right here, mostly from trees, trees and flowers within the area. Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:20

So with uh what you get in the area of Halliburton, you get about a hundred kilograms per hive.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

And it just looks like approximately depending on on the year. This year it's very bountiful. There's a lot of uh heat uh that goes towards the plants in in the uh county, and we're experiencing some real good uh yields.

SPEAKER_03 15:39

Oh yeah, yeah. The heat well and the rain has been pretty good this year, too. So it's been keeping the crops going the way they should be, right? So which is a good thing. Yeah. So what kind of predators uh do you end up dealing with in Halliburton with with your bees?

SPEAKER_02 15:55

The one that uh really uh attacks the hives is the bear. The uh black bear can uh come in and uh take away all of the honey, all of the bees, and uh we we experienced that last year, uh two years, sorry, two years ago, where uh a cub came in. My wife came up and said to me, There's a bird out in the backyard that I've never heard before. I got out of bed and went out and checked it out, and I said, Honey, I always call her honey. That isn't uh that isn't uh a bird, dear, that is a bear cub that has been stung by bees. Oh, it's it's whimpering, and it's gonna whimper till morning. So we got out of bed uh the next morning, and what do we see in the apri? But three tubs and a she bear, and they were enjoying the fruits of my labor.

SPEAKER_03 16:45

Oh, how many hives did they get on there?

SPEAKER_02 16:46

All of them. All they took them out, yeah. Really? So and the hives are completely destroyed? Uh not necessarily. Um what you have to do is you have to take a picture of the of the destruction, right? Send and send it to the provincial apers, and he he or she uh gives you uh uh um a recovery fee. Okay, which was about it was about three months coming, but it it was uh an exceptional amount of money that uh I was able to recover my hands.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

So with your wax, how much wax do you get out of a hive?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

I don't get too much uh from uh the apari that I have here. I might give maybe 20 or 30 pounds of wax, but uh I have to uh rely on um um a beekeeper that I I uh get tiny from for the mountain, and uh he he's able to supply me with the wax that I need for my candy.

SPEAKER_03 17:43

Right. So and with bees waxed, I was told though that's the darker the yellow, the better quality the wax. The lighter wax is the top stuff, and it's not very good.

SPEAKER_02 17:53

Okay, so um the the color of the wax determin is determined by the amount of pollen that is in the wax, and the color of the pollen is actually the way the wax is colored. So something like dandelion and golden wax produces a very deep, deep yellow, and uh something like clover and uh basswood have a very light, almost white colored wax. The original color of wax is white, and in a in a comb it is almost white in color. Right. So once the uh pollen is put into that that comb, that's exactly what what colors does.

SPEAKER_03 18:36

So you're selling honeycombs here, is what you call it. Yeah. And so is it good to eat the wax with the honeycomb or not?

SPEAKER_02 18:44

I I uh I I I really enjoy being in the bee yard, and I have a moment of of uh uh uh frustration with maybe some stings, or maybe I have to walk away and just get my breath, and uh I'll come back and I'll uh take out a piece of uh comb that is laden with honey and drop it right into my mouth, and it's instant energy for me. And I'm right back at it. Very good.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Very good. So, what do you do in the wintertime with your hives, Ron? How do you protect them in the winter?

SPEAKER_02 19:15

Or is there a season that uh yeah, bees are dormant in the winter, they are very, very slowly moving around in the hive, eating the honey that they have collected. On a milder day, um or we'll call it a January fall, the bees will come out of the hive, namely the older bees, and they'll actually uh die in in the cold. And I can tell if the hive is still alive by the amount of bees that have died in the snow. So uh when I'm blowing snow around the hives, uh you know it's uh three or four feet deep. Yep, I'm I'm also looking at the amount of uh of uh death that has occurred from the hives. Okay.

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Predators Mites And Moving Hives

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Okay, so bears are your number one predator, but what about yellow jackets and other wasps or hornets? Do they have an impact on your on your beehives?

SPEAKER_02 23:28

The bees uh have a protection service. They have an actual army of bees that will protect anything that is going to be a predator to them, including bears. Um, bears, skunks, uh, coons, uh, porcupines, uh, they're all predators to uh the bee family, and uh we're very fortunate to have uh at our disposal uh uh a very high voltage electric fence that keeps not only bears and porcupines and deer away from the bees, but uh it's uh it's an interesting uh concept that uh farmers have come up with over the years to keep uh cattle safe.

SPEAKER_03 24:10

So, but uh but in order to keep porcupines in the house, you must have a pretty high. It's not you most of the time it's usually a single strand, is it not?

SPEAKER_02 24:19

No, ours uh it starts at about six inches off the ground, and then there's about five different levels that will go up to uh probably about five feet in height.

SPEAKER_03 24:28

Oh, yeah, so and do you solar charge it or how do you do it?

SPEAKER_02 24:31

Electrified.

SPEAKER_03 24:31

And I'm I'm electrified from the house. Oh, okay, from the house, right? Yeah. And but now I because I know one beekeeper that was I was talking with in Millbrook, she said she lost a lot of her hives from yellow jackets, and and I'd not heard of that before, so they're by no, no, I've never heard of that. They'd be very weak hives. Okay, then so on top of that, what about um these mites that I hear about all the time now?

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Yeah, mite mites are uh something that uh beekeepers have been played with for probably about 20 years. Right. Um I've been pretty fortunate enough to stay away from uh the mite population here in Halliburton because they're transferred from from uh A priori to Apri uh that uh is it's almost like a flu symptom that uh attacks the uh breeding apparatus of of the uh honey bee. And uh I I've been fortunate enough to stay away mainly because of the uh tree and uh uh large population of uh of forest.

SPEAKER_03 25:32

Oh so that's so you haven't had that problem because I know a lot of them are are treating their bees for mites and things like that. So but uh and it can only be done at certain times and that sort of stuff. I don't think that's so you don't have to worry about the mites up this way. That's that's a good thing. But but Ron, I I hear about a lot of beekeepers who will actually transport their hives by transport truck down to the east coast to do pollination for for apple orchards and things like that. Would there be a problem with them transporting disease back and forth with mites back and forth and stuff like that?

SPEAKER_02 26:08

The biggest importer of beehives is Nova Scotia, and uh the uh beekeepers from Ontario and Quebec head down there with a 40-foot trailer and will put uh um their bees in there. However, right at the border, there's an inspection uh station that uh uh prohibits uh uh any entrance from uh disease-bearing hives. Uh they're they're what they're they're covered continuously. There's no entrance into Nova Scotia without clean hives.

SPEAKER_03 26:41

Oh, okay. And the same thing coming back out of Nova Scotia, right? Yeah, because I I hear a lot about the the mites that are causing us a lot of problems when impacting the bees. So, and not only that, but I think people can order queen bees through the mail, is it, or by other ways than they get transported a little little wooden box kind of thing. Um can you tell me about how that process works?

SPEAKER_02 27:03

Uh it's it's a matter of uh people kind of moving from from um uh hives that have superseded or or uh gone into uh uh they've left the hive to find a new location. So when that that happens, the original queen has taken off with a number of the bees that were in that hive. Right. And if you can introduce another queen bee by way of a queen-producing uh um beekeeper, uh that's how uh you you get get new queens. So the thing they ship them to the males? Uh male is one source, yeah. Uh it's not as prevalent as it was uh many years ago. We used to bring uh queen bees out of the southern states, uh like uh Georgia and and uh um the southern states, and uh uh as as uh travel restrictions increased, it was always great to see that more Canadian queen bee producers became more down.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Very interesting.

Honey Fraud Red Flags In Stores

SPEAKER_02 28:10

So, Ronnie, you mentioned about the king. Oh, yeah. Maybe you can kind of uh give us a last week. I uh sent my uh honey sample. It is uh 50 grams of uh honey that goes to a uh uh a lab in Quebec, and there's also another lab in Beaver Lodge, Alberta, that you can send honey samples and they'll send you back an analysis of of uh all the different pollens that are in your honey, right? Which which will tell you by percentage uh what's what's been uh brought in by the bees. Right. And so, but you were talking about the king? Yeah, this so this sample, when it comes back to me, I'm going to uh send that to the king, which I've been doing for a number of years, and to his mother prior to that. I think it goes back to 1964 that I've been doing that. There's a little bit of a story there. My mother and her uh cousin were in the uh West Indies vacationing, and uh they were on the beach uh taking the son in when uh Mr. Paul, dark, and handsome came along, and uh there was a relationship that uh developed with uh an heir to a company in in England that uh had 135 companies around the world. And uh they were uh instrumental in going to the various uh uh royal parties that uh that uh the queen would have. So we got to know more about uh the queen's uh movements, and uh I would send honey to uh to uh the palace uh you know over the years. Oh, yeah, yeah. Every every year I get an acknowledgement from uh um a person, it's usually a correspondence secretary or a queen's aide that are or king's aide now that uh thanks me very much for their for their our our contribution.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Very good. So now Ron, one of the other things then is we hear a lot of controversy about honey being mixed with something that's not real honey. What is that and how can you distinguish your what are the signs to look for if people are out there doing honey and having problems with that?

SPEAKER_02 30:22

It's it's almost something that's obsolete in Canada. I I do get a periodical that uh comes in that tells me about uh different law cases that are going on in the in the states in the US. Yeah, and um um those cases are are about companies that are in Southeast Asia that are mixing not necessarily with honey, but actually they call it uh rice syrup. And that rice syrup is is camouflaged as honey. Oh and uh we have uh an organization in Canada, a governmental agency called the um CFIA that uh has strict restrictions on that. Right.

SPEAKER_03 31:10

Okay. Well, very good, Ron. Well,

Where To Buy Local Honey

SPEAKER_03 31:12

thanks very much for very informative and a lot of stuff here. Uh quite surprised, didn't realize that you were into bees that much to go to Cornell and and even get more further research. And uh I appreciate that. Where can uh Ron, where can people see you or come and get your products and find out more information? How do they get in touch with you?

SPEAKER_02 31:28

The the market uh is uh our our our main source of income. The market is our main source of income. It's where the farmers market here in Halliburton. Halliburton Farmers Market, which is on Tuesdays. On Tuesdays and on Saturdays in Minden. Okay. We uh also distribute our products through uh home hardware. We have about 20 stores within about a two-hour radius of uh of Halliburton.

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Very good. Well, thank you very much, Ron, and just something a little more informative out there under the canopy.

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Pleasure all mine.

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