Do you ever wonder about the impact of names given to us by our parents, or the trauma associated with them? This episode features a heartfelt conversation with the acclaimed author and certified Christian life coach, AudreyAnn Moses. We discuss her latest novel, "Dead Girl Walking," where she beautifully explores personal and emotional challenges, rooted in her experience as a mental wellness counselor. The narrative takes you on a journey of healing and growth through the protagonist as she is navigating her way out of physical trauma.
As fellow authors, we also share our insights on creating stories that resonate with readers from various backgrounds. We explore the importance of accuracy in crafting narratives, the potential backlash from readers if details are incorrect, and how consulting with experts can ensure authenticity. Drawing from personal experiences and conducting thorough research are essential tools in creating relatable characters and stories.
Our discussion extends to the themes of resilience, protection, and motherhood as highlighted in "Dead Girl Walking." We emphasize the significance of having a robust support system in overcoming life's adversities. We also delve into the song "Count On Me" by Whitney Houston and CeCe Winans, drawing parallels with the characters in the book. This episode is a testament to the themes of love, strength, and resilience in the face of adversity. Tune in for an enlightening conversation on writing, healing, and personal growth.
Do you ever wonder about the impact of names given to us by our parents, or the trauma associated with them? This episode features a heartfelt conversation with the acclaimed author and certified Christian life coach, AudreyAnn Moses. We discuss her latest novel, "Dead Girl Walking," where she beautifully explores personal and emotional challenges, rooted in her experience as a mental wellness counselor. The narrative takes you on a journey of healing and growth through the protagonist as she is navigating her way out of physical trauma.
As fellow authors, we also share our insights on creating stories that resonate with readers from various backgrounds. We explore the importance of accuracy in crafting narratives, the potential backlash from readers if details are incorrect, and how consulting with experts can ensure authenticity. Drawing from personal experiences and conducting thorough research are essential tools in creating relatable characters and stories.
Our discussion extends to the themes of resilience, protection, and motherhood as highlighted in "Dead Girl Walking." We emphasize the significance of having a robust support system in overcoming life's adversities. We also delve into the song "Count On Me" by Whitney Houston and CeCe Winans, drawing parallels with the characters in the book. This episode is a testament to the themes of love, strength, and resilience in the face of adversity. Tune in for an enlightening conversation on writing, healing, and personal growth.
is Audrey and I just want to thank everyone for tuning in today, for listen Linda dead girl walking and just apologize, Ms Audrey and Ms Audrey, and how are you today?
Speaker 2:I'll tell you Praise the Lord, hallelujah, oh Jesus, that's how I am.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, but guess what? That's all right, we in here, and no weapons form is going to prosper.
Speaker 2:And I'm not blessed.
Speaker 1:I'm not blessed this right now. So, heavenly Father, we gather here today with grateful hearts. Lord Father, acknowledge your presence among us. We thank you for bringing us together for this special episode where we have the privilege of hosting Audrey and Moses as our guest. We are grateful for her unique insights, experiences and wisdom she brings to our conversation. Now, as we embark on this episode, we ask, lord God, for your guidance and inspiration. Grant us open minds and open hearts as we listen to Audrey and story and engage in meaningful dialogue. May our discussion be filled with respect and understanding, lord God, fostering an atmosphere of learning and growth.
Speaker 1:Lord, we pray that Audrey and feels welcomed and valued. Yes, her thousand experiences. Grant her clarity of mind and eloquence of speech. My words may touch the hearts of those listening and inspiring a positive change. We also ask for your blessings upon our listeners. Thank them so much, lord God, that they may be encouraged, enlightened and empowered by the insight shared in this episode. May they find inspiration and guidance to navigate their own journeys, embracing the lessons and perspectives that are offered here today. And your love and gracious name, we pray. Jesus, yes, lord, amen.
Speaker 2:Amen, amen, hallelujah, we gotta dive right in y'all.
Speaker 1:We got that right in Lord. We got that right in Now, dr Aguilin can you? Tell us more. Can you tell us about your latest novel, Dare Girl Walking? Not about the book, but what inspired you to write this particular story and what themes or messages you hope readers will take away from it?
Speaker 2:I love New Orleans. That's the first thing I want to say. If I had had my way, that's where I'd be living now instead of here. But a really good friend of mine, dr Rhonda Lawson, did an anthologya couple of years ago and it was Black Renaissance, it was called New Renaissance and it was 13 fiction authors and I happen to be one of them. It was a blessing, and so we were writing just fiction and using the style of the old Renaissance. And that title came to my mind because I have this.
Speaker 2:I have a really big concern in my heart for people who are hurting because of the names that their parents gave them. I used to be a professor at a university and the hardest thing in the world was to call the roll every day. It was, it was, it was hurtful, I guess you know it's the best thing to say for me, because I just it's. You know you have all the, the she's and the shears and the and the shies and the, and they all end with me, me or my, and you know you're trying to figure out who these children are and what were their parents thinking about when they named them, and so and so that's basically where I started with the book and, and it is you know, and about the hurtful things that people do to you and expect you to just be okay because of it. That's basically the gist of what my book is about.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much for that. You know, I had the pleasure of actually reading Dear Girl Walking and it was absolutely amazing. But before we really get into the book, I want to give the people who may not know you, even though you are reoccurring friends of the show, but if they don't know you, you know I never tell you.
Speaker 1:hey, say who you are, what you do. I always try to ask questions about you so that will give the readers a more intimate insight of who you are. So, as a certified Christian life coach and mental wellness counselor, how do you incorporate your expertise into your writing like, how do you balance addressing personal and emotional challenges within your novels while providing a Christian perspective?
Speaker 2:Thank you. As a psychologist and as a Christian life coach, I really don't do well writing nonfiction. I write, I have written nonfiction and actually I just wrote an article for concerning stress and I just did a workshop on grief. So I do write those things, but I like writing them in fiction because in fiction people can relate to them better, because you make it into a story and I feel like it's really important that people recognize not only themselves but their loved ones.
Speaker 2:When it comes to mental health, and when you're reading nonfiction it can be very intimidating trying to understand the terminology and trying to understand well, where does this fit in my life and who do I call?
Speaker 2:So I try to include all of that in my not in my fiction books. I think it's really important to to acknowledge hurt and to whether it's family hurt, whether it's church hurt, whether it's self sabotage. It's really it's important to acknowledge that and to help people to acknowledge it in themselves so they can heal. And in my whole goal, my entire life, I'm pretty sure, has been wanting people to heal, wanting myself to heal. You know I had to learn how to heal and so that gave me more perspective trying to help other people to heal. So I enjoy writing it in a way, so that not only are they getting enjoyment from reading the book, they are also getting knowledge about whatever the emotional topic that I chose for the book, this book. It is physical and emotional abuse in this book, and so my prayer is that people will be able to glean from it enough to recognize themselves or someone they know and can get help and resources for them to help them to heal. That's my goal.
Speaker 1:I was just about to ask you that question, so maybe I'll try to reword it different, because your books often explore physical, mental, emotional, relationship and spiritual trials that individuals and families face. So how do you approach these sensitive topics in your writing?
Speaker 2:I have a book called the Story of Wade and it's from my very first series. The first book of that series is called Saved by Grace and it is about a family that started out because two young people had a child. Well, they got pregnant out of wedlock, they got married and one side of the family was totally against the marriage. So there was a lot of hurt emotional hurt from that. But the child also was born with mental health issues and so it just so.
Speaker 2:As I wrote the book on Saved by Grace, you know, I started introducing the different things that was going on. I introduced the church herd. There was a little bit of church herd in this one, not a lot, but mainly it was family emotional abuse and so I started introducing that, you know, with the person that was causing most of the abuse and showing how it happens. And you know so as I'm writing it, you can see that this is what happens in regular families when someone in the family especially like if it's a patriot or a matriarch of the family does not want something to happen as serious as a marriage or a child coming into the world. You see a lot in society and where, if a child is coming into the world out of wedlock. The parents and the grandparents can either make or break the esteem of the parent and the child depending on how they treat them. You know, so a lot of women have been and girls have been kicked out or sent off to no man's land or whatever, and the parents ostracize them and so and that's sort almost what happened in my book, my first and second book where so it talked about how, you know this, the, the heads of the family, treated the, the parents of this child, and how they treated this child.
Speaker 2:And because of the way they treated this child, it caused mental health issues in the child, and the story of weight is the continuation of that. That child becomes an adult and the issues that that child has because of the things that occurred when that child was small. So that's how I tried to pull it in, so that you can see what's. You can see the reality of what's going on. But I'm not. I wanted to be fun, but I'm not making light of it. I hope that makes sense, you know.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, absolutely. And you know I'm a big fan. So I've read a few of your stories and they all are very descriptive and but they are also engaging. They grab you, you know, as soon as you open the page. You know, my favorite one is a state of a first-person, Uninvited memories oh uninvited memories is my oh yeah, I've got to get uninvited memories.
Speaker 1:We can talk more about that a little later in the show. If you haven't heard about uninvited memories, reel back, go to iHeart Music or anywhere that Melissa Linda is on, and you just find the shows that we have that I've had with Dr Audrey before and just replay those, because we go very, very in depth about uninvited memories. Yes, yes, we do. We had a good time. We had a good time. Yes, yes, I want to be here about today. No, we're going to talk about it. Okay, but before we get into that girl walking, I just want to let the listeners know a little bit more about you. Now. You're involved in community-based programs that focus on personal and professional development. How has this work influenced your writing and how do you see your books contributing to the personal growth and transition of your readers?
Speaker 2:One of the things I do is I do workshops, and my workshops stem from personal growth and development and transition. Personal growth includes stress, self-care, self-esteem, dysfunction, my division boards it's just pretty much anything that can be surrounded by mental health and mental wellness. I do workshops on it. I've done workshops for children that are foster care and self-worth and self-identity. So I really it's like my passion. I really love doing this type of work.
Speaker 2:So when I'm doing workshops at different organizations or different events, then I try to set up my workshop based on, of course, whatever the theme of the event is, but also the personality of the people that I'm going to be working with, because psychology is something that can reach and touch anything and anybody under any circumstance. So but it is not cookie cutter. You cannot cookie cut psychology. You cannot cookie cut mental illness. You know you can't because everybody is an individual and therefore you can have one person that has issues with depression and you can have another person that has issues with depression and it's like 180 degrees opposite. So so you cannot make a cookie cutter. So I enjoy, I have like one.
Speaker 2:I have a self-care workshop that I do and I've done that workshop maybe four or five times and I've had to rewrite it each time because each time I was doing it for a different type of group.
Speaker 2:So I had to rewrite it so that it worked with that group. And that's what I enjoy doing and it works well, because if you do that, then when you're engaging with your, with the people in the audience, they feel more comfortable engaging back. I just I was in Atlanta a couple of weeks ago and I did a workshop on grief and there was only like five people there, so we had the best time because everybody felt comfortable, everybody was able to talk about their thing, whatever you know, pertaining to grief, and so we all got to learn something from it and everybody got. The feedback I received was that they all felt like the workshop was written for them and about their situation, even though I had no idea what their situation was until they told it. So that's what I like to do and that's how I write my books, because I want every single individual to read that book and it be personal for them, not look like a cook and cutter book that, you know, is just a bunch of stuff thrown together. I like for it to feel individual.
Speaker 1:I can appreciate that so much and I'm the same way you know, like it's okay every once in a while to have a big group. You know, and I know you can attest to that by being a professor and an educator as well, but just you know, those intimate groups. You can get more personal with your people have that time to actually have that dialogue and get to know that person on a more intimate level and be able to really connect with your audience.
Speaker 1:Like it's okay to have a, let's say, I have, you know, millions of listeners and I'm okay with that. But you know the ones that are here, that are live, the live listeners. When they come in and out, like right now I had, like earlier, I had 872 peak listeners. But I would check, I would get maybe 30, 40 at a time when I'm checking. So I'm back and forth and I'm checking the numbers but at the same time I'm appreciative of just those 30 and 40. I'm appreciative of those six to seven.
Speaker 1:I'm appreciative of the one that makes the one, because that one that's listening, that 30 that's listening, are filling it in some type of way that makes it personal to them or they would not listen.
Speaker 1:So I appreciate my lenders and my luthers that come in and listen and find a way or God makes a way to use us, me, the whole, you, the guests as vessels to pour into these people so they can be able to know that there's somebody who can mirror what they're going through. So I truly, truly appreciate you and what you do for the community. As a philanthropist, as a speaker, as a therapist, as a life coach, as a motivational speaker, as an author. You are an amazing as a veteran. You are just an amazing person and I really, really value our friendship, and I want to touch on your diverse range of experiences in your life, like I said, from being a coach to a counselor, to raising the family. How do you draw inspiration from these different aspects when creating your characters and their stories? Like, how do you ensure that your stories resonate with your readers from various backgrounds?
Speaker 2:Well, your favorite book, uninvited Memories, is a good example because I am retired Navy. You know it's like once a sailor, always a sailor, and but I'm retired Navy. I joined the Navy when I was 19. So the majority, well all of my adult life was surrounded by military, actually Navy. I wasn't really around a whole lot of the other service people, but so the series that's with that Uninvited Memories, earl Grey Chronicles that series is all about the Navy and different things that go on, you know, while I was in the Navy and the names have changed to a protective, innocent and a guilty, including mine.
Speaker 2:But but I just use that, you know, not only for different things that were happening during the time periods that I use, but also at that point when I was in the Navy, what I wanted to be once I retired. I am not that now but in my book, so I use that as a character in my book. So when I wrote, when I wrote saved by Grace series, there are different cultures in that book and one of the cultures is Hispanic, because my husband is Hispanic and so I wanted to include his culture in my books and so of course I got him to help me with it and I made sure the Spanish was correct that I put in the book. But the one thing I am very particular about is facts. I lived in a world of facts and so I still use that because I don't wanna put something in my book that is wrong. I don't want to say the people live in Chicago and I'm describing stuff that's in Kentucky, so I do a lot of research to make sure that my locations are correct, the language is correct. If I'm doing all of my books vary, they go back and forth in time, so I make sure that the timing, the clothes that they're wearing is correct, the language they're using is correct, because I think that's really important.
Speaker 2:One of the one things I absolutely hate is if I'm reading a book or watching a movie and the facts are wrong Cause then I'm not interested anymore and I don't want anybody to stop reading my work because I made a mistake with the facts. So I'm very anal and OCD about that. So I and then I talk to people and I say, well, what do you think about so and so and so? And they'll let me know what they think about and then I may or may not use like that. My son is a policeman and I had a scene in one of my books that was involved policeman. So I wrote it and I sent it to my son. He said no, it won't happen like this, this would never happen. And so I had to change it because I did not want it to be weird. You know so, and I think most authors that's what they do. You know they make sure their facts are correct.
Speaker 1:Exactly, and that's why I had to go back and forth with doing research as well for my memoir, because I wanted to speak with. You know, I'm not in touch, as I used to be, with China, with my mom, so I had to speak with older people from Chicago to figure out if I'm using the correct, you know the correct language, back in the 60s and 70s exactly. And I made sure, like those conversations, like calling up Auntie, you know, my Auntie on my mom's side, or you know a few people, to just try to see, like you know, this street, the correct street, that this bar was also on, and so forth. So, and if I couldn't get the information that I would just say A-bar with or hole in a wall or somebody else's name, because I want to make sure that I get facts correct.
Speaker 1:I think that is very, very, very, very important when writing a book, because you don't want to say that Jimmy's was Chicago Avenue. Well, we know that it was on grand. Okay, you know what I'm saying. Like the Jimmy's, the hot dog stand on grand and Pallette. We want to make sure that we got it on the correct corner, because you don't want to say it was on Chicago Avenue. No, it was not on Chicago Avenue, and Laramie, that was Abe and Tongue the silver door.
Speaker 1:You know, like you from Chicago. If y'all from Chicago, y'all know what I'm talking about. You cannot mix them up. You cannot mix up a barb-bos with Lulu's or Al's feet or Lulu's with Al's feet. You can't. Just you know it's. You will be doing Chicago at this justice, Okay, Right, so you have to make sure that you got those names and you got those streets and you got everything correct, because the people of your town will come for you. Yeah, that's why you want to read your books.
Speaker 2:Yes, They'll ostracize you and they'll tell all their friends no, she don't know what she talking about. Uh-uh, this ain't right. No, no.
Speaker 3:Cassini is not this right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what you don't want, because I'm going to tell you, a lot of veterans do that too they're. You will have some people who say that they fought in the war. They did this. And my husband, he really pays attention when people get on.
Speaker 1:TV and they be talking about stuff, like he be like they was not in the shits. No, they wasn't. Be, that's a lie, because I know, because I was there and none of that happened. Or you know, he don't go like that. Uh-uh, not, uh-uh, yeah, they were never heard of it. So he calls it out, and that's why he be real okay about his, because he don't want to be, because he knows, like you got to. Oh, so a certain things you ain't supposed to talk about. So when you, when you, when they're saying certain things, he'd be like mm-mm, mm-mm, mm-mm, yeah, that person that do nothing they probably worked in the kitchen and probably was listening to the story Wouldn't let it be. Well, they was a general, they worked in the bookstore. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. They didn't, okay. So we're going to get into their walk-in now, okay, we're going to get into their girl walk-in Now, oh, okay. The opening of your novel introduces, because this is a novel correct.
Speaker 2:Well, it's a um, a uh, bella, you know it's. It's not even a hundred pages.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so here's a novella, right, yeah, okay, okay. So this is and the opening of it introduces us to Mrs Jane Doa Mm-hmm. Jane Doa Smith Burden, a woman who has toward physical trauma and finds herself in a vulnerable situation. Can you elaborate a little on the journey of healing and personal growth that Mrs Burden goes through throughout the book?
Speaker 2:Well, um, from a child, you know, she had to deal with the name she was given, but it was more than that. She had to deal with how she was treated by her family, her parents and her siblings, and so she had to learn how to survive in a abusive, um, neglectful, negative atmosphere in the house that she had to live in and and it just spilled over into the world outside of that house, and so that's how she grew up and um, as an adult, you know how a lot of times we will hear um, we will hear it said that people tend to gravitate towards what they're used to, and she was used to, um emotional and physical abuse, and she didn't know that she was gravitating toward that because, of course, you know how how um men and women are, but in this case, guys, you know, he's sweet, her right off her feet and um, and when he, um, when he had her where she he wanted her to be, then he treated her the same way her family treated her. But she had to learn that she was better than that. Nobody had ever told her she was better than that. So the book and I don't want to tell the book, but the book you walk with her through her journey of um, being a woman.
Speaker 2:You know, you walk with her through her journey of learning what self-concept means, learning how to identify who you are, learning what self-worth and self-value means, learning how to identify herself, what is self-identity, and learning the difference between low-esteem and self-esteem. You know, um, um, um, high-esteem. So she, she walks through all of that and it was painful for her because a world where she was valued was nowhere in her life journey and so she had to learn that. And the coach, the life coach, that she had Christian life coach, and she had to help her to understand that God never treated her that way. Her family was not a Christian family, they weren't churchgoers, you know, they didn't believe in any of that. So that's what she had to do. She had to learn how to be a different person.
Speaker 1:Okay, Now, as a Christian life coach, Dr Roxanne Matthews offers support and guidance to Ms Burton. How does the concept of faith and spirituality play a role in Mrs Burton's transformation, Like how does she navigate her own beliefs and reconcile them with the challenges that she faced?
Speaker 2:Well, she didn't have any beliefs. You know, she had no beliefs and as far as what it meant to be spiritual, what it meant to know that Jesus loves you, no matter what you know, and you know how we say Jesus loves me. This I know, and it's like no big deal, but she didn't. She had never heard that comment before. So Dr Matthews had to like start her basically from. You know the way we would talk to our children, you know to help her to understand that Jesus is real and that you know he will never leave her nor forsake her. I mean, she had to like really walk her through. And she had to walk her through tenderly, because Jay was very fragile and at any moment she could just say okay, I can't do this, I'm gone and never come back. And that's the thing in reality that psychologists and psychotherapists and coaches, life coaches, have to worry about and I guess worry is a weird word to use but they have to have a concern because you know what this person needs in order to heal. But you have to spoon feed them on their terms because otherwise they I had a client that left.
Speaker 2:I had a client by the third week. She was like okay, I can't do this, I'm gone. And she never came back because because the more she heard what, and the more she realized what she had to do in order to make her life better. She didn't want to do that and, as she knew that that's where we were going to be, until she made the decision to move forward. And she didn't want to move forward At least she didn't want to change in order to move forward so she stopped coming and I haven't heard from her. This been years ago, before COVID, and I never heard from her again, so I don't know what happened to her.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think that a lot of times you know, like you say, you have to spoon feed people because that's because, like, we want them to do something so bad and we want them to get it so bad. But what we feel and realize is that they don't move on our time like trauma. They have to heal in the time that that's prepared for them. And a lot of times in my own experience dealing with you know, dealing with people, that I just I want you to change so bad. I know what it is that you're supposed to do. So let me lay out the steps for you on what I feel you should do in order to get past this moment. A lot of times, like you said, they're not ready. It's not that they don't want to, but they're not ready. I had to look within myself to say who am I to tell them when to be ready? Sometimes we have to let people sit in it and just listen to them and just sit in it and sit in it until they say you know what? I'm tired of sitting in this. I'm tired of sitting in this. Let me start opening my ears now, because once they feel like it's being something is being pushed on them. It's an instant reaction to retaliate or reject or refuse.
Speaker 1:Because you know, I'll take you back to when I stay with my grandmother and my dad. Right, and my dad said I had three rules no tattoos, no perms, no haircut right, three rules. When I left, I got my hair, I got a perm, I cut that hair and I got a whole bunch of tattoos that I regret right now, because it was like huh, you said I can't do it, so I'm going to do everything y'all said I couldn't do. Because y'all said I couldn't do it and because y'all not the boss of me, no more and because it's just like you want to do what the human flesh always wants to do, what it's not to do, just to prove that they are in control of their own life.
Speaker 1:And I think once people feel like someone else is trying to take control of them instead of trying to help them, they begin to rebel and get rebellious. So I had to find a way to open my ears more to what's going on with them and just be a listening ear and let them vent until they just get tired of it. And then when I say now, do you want my opinion? They said no, I want just somebody talk to. Okay, cool, I'll listen, but don't expect me to be a yes person, right? Just I'm here for you to vent, let it all out. Hopefully you feel better, you need somebody to talk to, and after a while it's like okay, you're here, we know you're here. So what are your plans to do now? And that's how I was able to navigate that, and my say is up to Rob, dr Audrey.
Speaker 2:No, no, I think the biggest thing is one of the reasons why I don't do psychotherapy. Well, there's two reasons. First of all, I think that the insurance industry falls on the same category as wasps and rats and snakes. They all come from the pit of hell and they need to all go back there. So that's my first opinion. And my second opinion is that other people, when you are working through a system, they are always telling you what to say and how to say it and when to say it to your clients.
Speaker 2:And that is the worst thing you can do, because you have to learn your clients.
Speaker 2:It takes a minute for you to even learn your client and for them to feel comfortable enough to even tell you what their stuff is.
Speaker 2:And so, and once they start telling you what your stuff is, then 70% of the counselor or coach's time should be spent listening to what this person is saying. And when you give recommendations, the recommendations should be based on what they say they want to do, and even and yes, you can word it in a way because you know that if they want to become a neuropsychologist or a brain surgeon, that there are certain steps they have to take before they get to that point. So they can't skip steps if they want to be a brain surgeon. They can't skip steps if they want to be an electrician or a car mechanic or whatever. You cannot skip steps but at the same time you can help them to see where those steps lie and how they're supposed to do it without turning them off. Basically, you know, and by getting okay, you said you want to do this. So how do you think? What is it you think you have to do in order to get from A to B, to C to D?
Speaker 1:you know, to make them feel secure and make them feel like they have control.
Speaker 2:Because they have to have control, because if they don't, then it's a waste of everybody's time. You know, it's like forcing somebody to go to rehab when they don't want to go, exactly Because as soon as they come out of rehab, they're going to go back to doing whatever it was they were doing?
Speaker 1:Yep, because you're not giving them, you're not allowing them to be ready, you're trying to force it on them. And trauma takes time to heal. You can't hurry up and heal when you've been hurt or you've been. You know you can't. You go through a traumatic experience, whether it's heartbreak, whether it's breakup, whether it's a breakup with a friend, whether it's betrayal, whether it's you can't hurry up and heal from that. And people try to say all this oh, just let it go, let this go, let this go.
Speaker 1:But when you've been hurt like that multiple times, that's traumatic. That's like not only did this person hurt you, but it triggered you and took you back to a place where it's like, okay, this is happening again for the 27, 28th time. What is it about me that is starting to attract you? Then it makes you feel like something is not necessarily something is wrong with you, but what are you doing in your life that keeps attracting these type of people and that makes you really want to dig deep within yourself to figure that out. So let's, let's, let's work back around to the book, but I think that's a great point and that's a great outlook as far as digger and walking from what I read with Ms Burton Now, the relationship with with Ms Burton and her neighbor who initially shows hesitation and judgment. It seemed to be an important aspect of the story. Can you delve into the dynamic of that relationship and how it evolves over time? How does it contribute to Ms Burton's healing process? Right Right, how does motherhood shape Ms Burton's choices and actions?
Speaker 2:Well, obviously, you know, if she didn't have her child, I think she would have left a long time ago or she would have been.
Speaker 2:She might have been more able to fight him back and she probably she would have never went to the neighbor, she probably would have just left. But because she had a child and she had to be concerned about what was going to happen to her child and how she was going to protect her child, that's how she ended up with the neighbor and that's how she ended up with Dr Matthews, because you know, when her social worker was like, okay, you need to talk to her. You know you don't have to, but I think it's a good idea and it'll, you know, to protect you and to protect your child. And I think mothers and fathers but mothers are more apt to put up with more stuff because of the children Most women that are being physically abused or emotionally abused stay because of the children. If there are no children, then you know they are more apt to leave. But if there are children, they stay and they put up with whatever they have to put up with in the hopes that it doesn't trickle down to the children.
Speaker 1:And so that's what she did. I agree it was. You know I've been reading it. You know it really, really, really got me thinking and that's why I say like, in this book, as I was exploring the themes, you know, the first thing that came to mind, you know, for me was like resilience, protection and, like you said, the list that a mother would go through to ensure the safety and well being of her child. Right, but you know, as a Christian life coach, you you aim to help individuals to navigate these transition. What are some specific goals and aspirations that you hope for for Miss Burden in the story and her child's future, and how do you envision moving forward if you were to do a part two of this, if you were to help her child? And how do you envision the life of her child, having witnessed this is such a young age, if they were to receive the support and guidance that's needed to make that positive change in their life?
Speaker 2:Well, there is a part two and so so I don't want to, I don't want to go a whole lot into it, but the fortunately for her, she has Dr Matthews, and Dr Matthews is helping her take a lot of little baby steps Towards creating a new life for herself. And I think that's what's important. If we have, you only need you know you don't need a whole lot of people in your world. You really don't. You just need one or two good people that really have your best interests at heart. That's all you need.
Speaker 2:And, and fortunately for her, she was able to meet Dr Matthews and Dr Matthews was willing to walk this journey with her and to help her to to see that there is another world that she can live in that doesn't involve abuse and hurt and and and and you know, and all that sort of thing. And because of that, she is able to start learning ways to raise her daughter, so that her daughter has learned from early what self value and self concept and self worth and self identity, what all of that is from a you know. You know we teach our children that from little. She was never taught that, but now she can teach her child because she's learning how important all of that is. You know so. So I think that having that one person is really what what she needed.
Speaker 1:I agree, I agree. Such a great book, you guys. If you can, you tell people where they can find the book, where they can find all of your books and how to reach you Before we close out this segment.
Speaker 2:My my website. You can reach me on my website and dead girl walking is still is in pre, is in pre sale and and I haven't it's posted on my website transition life coach, the number for the letter you calm and you can go there and see all of my books. And you can order all of my books from me, autographed, or you can order my published books on. If you like ebooks, then you can order them on ebooks from Amazon or Barnes and Noble or Walmart or wherever, but I don't have audibles, I don't have audio books, but dead girl walking. I have two new books that are coming out that are not physical books yet, but they can purchase them, pre order them and they will get pre ordered autograph copies of them. And I'm working with my publisher. Now you know who my publisher is.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:And so I'm working with her so you know to get everything in the proper order. And I know that with with the pre orders of the paperback, you know there'll be some other little trinkets added in the package, but right now, like I said, my website is wwwtransitionlifecoach, for the number for letter you calm, and my email address is Audrey and books, and it's just like it sounds, a U D R E Y a M N S B O OK At Yahoocom.
Speaker 1:Well, I want to thank you so much, dr Audrey, and I've been having technical difficulties.
Speaker 1:Y'all know I love playing my music, so now I'm starting to play, the music coming on and then the music going out. Right, I let people know exactly how to come in and listen to music. I'm just going to make that known today, that when you log in, please use your Apple ID to log in so that way you will be connected through Apple music and that way you'll be able to listen to the music as we play. However, once the episode is uploaded, you will hear all music. So when you come back after the replay is available, you will be able to hear all music. Ok, so if you're not able to hear it live, that's totally fine. You come back and listen to the replay. You'll be able to listen to the music and once it's distributed on all platforms, all music will be available, of course, to listen to, because it will be edited and recorded and uploaded and distributed. I want to thank you so much, dr Audrey. If you don't mind, can you bless us with a closeout prayer?
Speaker 2:Yes, ma'am, father in heaven, you are so good to us and most times we don't deserve it, but you are good to us anyway and we thank you. Father, we ask you to be with our families. Be with those that are hurting, father, be with those that are bereaved. There's a lot of deaths going on lately and we just ask that you be with the family to help them to understand that, no matter the tragedy, you are still there with them and you will allow the Holy Spirit to come and comfort them.
Speaker 2:Father, we ask that you allow each of us that is listening to be a beacon for someone else who is hurting, who is in need. Just lend a listening ear and help them to find the resources that they need, father, because sometimes people are still a little skeptical about working with mental health professionals, but maybe the people that are listening will be able to tell them that Christian mental health professionals are a good thing. And if anyone on this that is listening feels like they could use a listening ear, father, allow them to reach out to us and allow us to be that listening ear for them. Lord, god, we just ask that you continue to bless us. Continue to bless and listen, linda continue to bless Jackie and her husband and her children, father, that they will continue to be a light for you in their community. Father, in the name of your son Jesus, we pray and we thank you for everything, amen.
Speaker 1:And I want to give another thank you to everyone who is tuning in, all 129 of my listeners today who are tuning in. Thank you so, so, very much. I appreciate you. I love you. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you again, dr Audrey, and it's always a pleasure to have you. You are, you are a good, good, best friend of the show and a true friend to me and to my family, and just love and appreciate you so much. God bless you all.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to edit with count on me, because I feel like this song resonates with dead girl walking and with Miss Matthews, with Miss Matthews, with Miss Burton, and also I'm going to throw in the neighbor as well. I think that all of them have a certain relationship with each other. It may not be the best with Miss Burton and the neighbor, but the neighbor really, truly to me, if you, if you get the book, you'll understand what I mean when I say she had a special love for her and for her child and I truly, truly appreciated that, that relationship, that that that came out of that one so toxic type of way it ended up being really beautiful. So I'm going to play the song that resonated with me. I don't know if you're going to be able to hear Dr Audrey Ann, but it's count on me. Whitney Houston and CeCe Wine. Thank you all and have a blessed night.
Speaker 3:I can see it's hurting you. I can feel your pain. It's hard to see the sunshine through the rain. I know sometimes it seems as if it's never going, but you'll get through it. Just don't give in, cause you can't Count on me and we'll think of them. A friendship that I'll never end. When you are weak, I will be strong, helping you to carry on. Call on me, I will be there. Just be afraid, please believe me when I say count on you can count on me. Oh, when you can't say no, I know sometimes it seems as if we're standing on an old home, but we'll get through it, cause love won't let us fall. Count on me and we'll think of them.
Speaker 3:A friendship that I'll never end. When you are weak, I will be strong, helping you to carry on. Count on me, I will be there. Just be afraid, please believe me when I say count on you, can count on me. There's a place inside of all of us where our faith and love begins. You should reach the far, and the truth and love will see and cause there will be a lot that love can make you feel it's much harder than it really is, but we'll get through it. Count on me, I will be there. Just be afraid, please believe me when I say count on me, count on me, I will be there. Just be afraid, please believe me when I say count on you can count on me. Oh yes, you can. No, I can't, you can't. Oh yeah, so glad I came from here.