Echoes of History and Harmony: The Evolution of Sound, Story, and Space in Charlotte

As the creaky floors of the Brooklyn Collector's Building echo with the stories of bygone eras, Fela Davis of One of One Productions and I, Charlie Shaw, sit amidst a place alive with the pulse of Charlotte's Black history and future promise. Our conversation meanders through Fela's post-grad days at Full Sail University, her ascent in the realm of sound, and the building's transformation into a sanctuary for minority-owned businesses. It's a heartfelt tribute to Black History Month and an illustrative tale of how history shapes our modern business landscapes.

The soulful strains of a jazz saxophone can evoke an entire spectrum of emotion, a truth I've come to know intimately through my own ventures in sound engineering. Weaving together anecdotes from my early days, I recount how moments of serendipity and the influence of jazz greats like Dizzy Elizabeth propelled my career from the indie scene to the grandeur of 18-piece bands. This episode is not just a nod to the luminaries of jazz but an empowering message to those yearning to carve their own path in music—with a special nod to the resilience and ambition of women and people of color.

Podcasting, in its myriad forms, has reshaped the art of storytelling and education, particularly in the solitude of the pandemic. I delve into the nitty-gritty of producing daily podcasts with diverse themes and the challenges of crafting the perfect sound for an array of clients, from award-winning musicians to corporate juggernauts. As we wrap up, the gratitude I feel for our listeners' engagement is palpable. It's your insights and feedback that fuel our passion and drive this journey of unfiltered conversation and discovery forward. Stay tuned for more episodes where we continue to unfurl the wonders of sound and communication.

Transcript

Charlie Shaw: 0:01

Hello and welcome back to the Lil Mel Unfiltered podcast. I'm your host, Charlie Shaw, and I'm delighted to have you join us again for another captivating episode. Today we have a special guest and an inspiring topic lined up to motivate and uplift you. Your ongoing engagement and commitment to our show means the world to us. We truly appreciate the time you spend with us each week and we're thrilled to have you here once again. While further ado, let's dive into this week's show and embark on a journey of inspiration and discovery together. Hello and welcome back to the Lil Melon Filter podcast. I'm your host, Charlie Shaw. Well, folks, I flew up to Charlotte, North Carolina, this morning to interview our next special guest. Her name is Fela Davis. She's the owner, co-owner and founder of One of One Productions, and all of these businesses are audio and podcast production businesses. Welcome to the show Fela.

Fela Davis: 1:08

Thank you, charlie. I've seen you at quite a few podcast conferences, so I'm glad we're getting to do something for your podcast. You were just looking to do a podcast first time we met, so this is great.

Charlie Shaw: 1:23

I'm sorry. I was talking about what, a couple years ago, we met.

Fela Davis: 1:26

Yeah, I think it was podcast movement Right, maybe. Yeah, well, folks.

Charlie Shaw: 1:32

That's when I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do when I retire and I wasn't quite sure. But I wanted to learn about podcasts, and so what better way to learn is go around? People that saw our podcast and so I looked into it, found out that there's conventions going on, and the one we met at was, I believe, a podcast.

Fela Davis: 1:53

Yeah, a podcast, and I think we met at a podcast movement later.

Charlie Shaw: 1:58

Yeah, I was going to conferences without a podcast and every time I saw Fela me she was like did you get that podcast started? I was like, no, I haven't got it started up yet. I think it was always I was a little fearful to get myself out there and, plus, I was still working for the Marshall service, so I didn't want to cross-contaminate the both. But now that I'm retired I retired in October and, as promised, I started my podcast.

Fela Davis: 2:28

Yes, and as promised I told you I'd come on it, so hey.

Charlie Shaw: 2:34

I thought she was joking, but you saw that I had the podcast out there. I put it out there on Facebook and next thing I know you're liking it. And now we ended up having a conversation and here I am in your studio, charlotte, north Carolina. Now the studio that you have. This is a historical building. Why don't you tell us a little bit about it?

Fela Davis: 3:03

Yeah, we're at the Brooklyn Collector's Building in Uptown Charlotte, north Carolina. This is a historic building because back in 1920, this building was built, so over 100 years ago now. For the black community that was here at the time, it was upwards of 70,000 black residents in Uptown Charlotte, and around the 50s into the 60s we started the city of Charlotte, started moving the black residents out to build what is now Uptown Charlotte, which is bustling with. You can see across the street the NASCAR Hall of Fame, the Charlotte Hornets play a block away from us and like three blocks away is the Carolina Panthers, so it became a very big commercial district. Once it got, you know, those people got pushed out, unfortunately, but this is the last building from that. So, yeah, it's pretty cool because this was like the recreational department for those black people.

Charlie Shaw: 4:30

It was basically a community center, a gathering group, a gathering area, exactly, and a church and a church waiting.

Fela Davis: 4:37

It's right next door, which was a part of that community as well, and also they have like a museum downstairs.

Fela Davis: 4:46

from that perspective, yes, yes, they have a museum downstairs. We're kind of a co-op up here on the third floor, where my studio was at. You know different small businesses and a lot of them are probably about 80, 90% minority owned businesses on this floor, which was like the event space back in the day when they first made this, when they first built this building. So I feel very, I'm very glad that we got into such a historical building and doing what we're doing as far as being a small business ourselves and minority owned. So Right, right, right.

Charlie Shaw: 5:31

Well, that's excellent, man. I mean, I did a little research before I came in. You know it was fitting that you're doing business out of a historical black building during the month of February, which is Black History Month, so you know, I think that it was the center of you was meant to be Hell. Yeah, so that's like $45,. Well, I'm not gonna say the airline, you'll have to pay for that, but I took that flight up this morning. I'm gonna fly back this weekend. I appreciate you welcoming me.

Fela Davis: 6:04

Oh yeah, thank you for coming through.

Charlie Shaw: 6:06

Yeah, you know another thing Fela actually got her education and training in Orlando. Yes, and when we first met, we started talking and I was like I knew that they were doing the training. You know that? What's the name? Full seal was training audio and video engineers out of there.

Fela Davis: 6:29

Yeah, game designers, a whole bunch of stuff, yeah, all that media stuff. Yeah, I said, this is my world.

Charlie Shaw: 6:35

What year did you go to school there?

Fela Davis: 6:38

I went well. I graduated in 2002. So yeah, 22 years ago in Orlando.

Charlie Shaw: 6:45

So the funny thing is is when we were talking, I told her I was like you know, I used to do off-duty security there when I was an Orange County Sheriff Deputy that was my zone the zone I don't know for a believe and I used to sit in the parking lot and I was like, what are they doing in there? You always wanted to sit in there with you on the job. Then, you know, I was seeing all students coming in and out, from all different ages.

Fela Davis: 7:11

Oh yeah 1880, you know, and at the time it was a 24 hour school. That was. They don't do it anymore like that, now I think it kind of closes at 1 am, but we used to have labs that would start at 1 am until 5 am, like it was, because they were getting you ready for the real world, Because you just you don't know when you're going to work and when you're going to be mixing and when you know certain things are going to go down. So that was definitely a hands-on school for learning audio engineering. Yeah, they started out.

Charlie Shaw: 7:44

I watched it because I had that contract doing off-duty. I used to sign deputies there, you know, because it wasn't in, it wasn't in a bad place, but it was a busy place.

Fela Davis: 7:59

Yeah, something more.

Charlie Shaw: 8:02

And I remember they started out in just one building Thanks, they play. And then they, you know, a few years later, after I left the sheriff's office and came in and was riding on the east side, I was like man, they didn't change the whole thing. I think they, I think they bought me Donald. Yes.

Fela Davis: 8:24

They bought the block. They did. They did. What we all dreamed to do is they bought the block because they definitely wasn't like that. Yeah, when I was there 22 years ago, yeah, they were in and Bill, yeah, there was an Alvris's back when I went there Exactly I remember.

Charlie Shaw: 8:48

You know, this is a small world and I think we're all connected. Oh yeah, we're all connected somewhere or another. It may not be the season that we first come to counter, but any seasons later. Here we are 22 seasons. Because what is this 24?

Fela Davis: 9:05

Yeah 22. Yeah 22, yeah 2002. Actually 23.

Charlie Shaw: 9:09

Yeah, 22 seasons, yeah, yeah. With that being said, tell me about your training in audio.

Fela Davis: 9:17

I guess. So I'll even take it back a little further. People, I was wanting to want to know how I got into audio. When I was in eighth grade I took a career placement test and it had audio engineer and I. It was intriguing even to me because I hadn't thought about it. I was in a band and stuff, but I knew I didn't want to play an instrument you know for a living. But the thought of recording and being a part of all of that was like oh, that was yeah. It was like okay, I want to do this. And I started reading a bunch of magazines at the time because the internet wasn't really a thing in like 98 or 97 or so, so, so, so, so. So getting information on it was was hard until I was in the 10th grade and I was still in band and I was looking at a magazine that was like they said like things you can do in music without playing an instrument, and I was like spot on, looked in there and I found full sale, right, and I was in the 10th grade. So once I found that, I was like this is it and that was. It was like as soon as I graduated high school I went to full sale. Yeah, it was. Yeah, where was. Where was home? Home in South Carolina is a Choral South Carolina.

Fela Davis: 10:45

Our claim to fame is a Dizzy Elizabeth is our is from that town. So, yeah, which, yeah, so which worked out because you know, years later ended up touring with Christian McBride and you know mixing for some of the top you know jazz artists you know in New York City and in the world and a lot of them had played with Dizzy or was like in his big band and stuff. So that that was like wow, I was like placed in the right place, right time and like heard stories of you know of him and like everybody loved him. It was just like such a universal thing for him and so for to end up in jazz and the jazz world because I mean I could easily ended up in hip hop or R&B or you know something else, but in particular I was like 10 years of mixing, just like the best jazz in the world, like some of the best players. Because you know, christian also had like seven different bands. He had a big band which the big band they've won like four Grammys. They like every time. Every album that he's done with the big band is one of Grammy. He has Quartet, quintets, duos, and I've mixed them all, like all around the world with him.

Fela Davis: 12:13

So I was very, very blessed with getting to, getting to be with jazz artists and just people that really mastered their instrument. You know so that that was amazing and in 20 around 2017, I started interviewing the people I would go out on tour with and that's what got us in the got me and my business partner. We would. Also, we would sometimes interview them together into the podcast world and that was how I started was just like touring. I want to get you know this person on, you know on wax, you know talking about their career, because it's just, you know, so fascinating.

Charlie Shaw: 13:06

So yeah, I've always been interested in music and how it's how it's produced. You know, when I think of the bands, I'm like, okay, so you're actually recording live, you're recording in studio, yep, and you just know how to, how to bring all that sound to a production where you can distribute it.

Fela Davis: 13:26

Yeah, yeah. And with Christian, that was a great thing because he wanted me to record every time. You know, I mixed him live so I got a lot of multi track recordings and, yeah, I did get very deep into, you know, doing a multi track recording for like an 18 piece jazz band, you know, on the road, you know, and all you got is that one take and just making sure that every, you know, all the microphones are heated and, you know, at the right levels is real. That was yeah, that was that was interesting. And then that started my first business, which was 23 DB productions and we started recording live bands all over New York City and Brooklyn and stuff like that. From my experience with Christian Because I mean, once I dealt with that, like everything else was pretty easy. Yeah, yeah, it was pretty. It was like, okay, I've been to Italy and done this. So I mean, yeah, was he pretty easy to work with? Oh, fantastic to work with, perfect.

Charlie Shaw: 14:32

Everything sounds like it's all positive. What are the next? Well, let's just hear. One little bad experience that kind of you know made you think should I stay in there?

Fela Davis: 14:44

Oh well, no, I mean I wanted. It took me 11 years to get to, you know at least, yeah, out of school to get to where I want it, though. So that was the hardship was just getting to that point to mix excellent musicians like that you know on the regular, because you know you're mixing like you know a bunch of like indie bands or you know people that's kind of going halfway at it, but these people have spent their life at it, and I mean the people that were in Christian's bands like Teach it, juilliard and New School, which are those are the top, you know, like jazz programs in New York City, and I mean so just like seeing these young, you know, even seeing people that came from there, and just seeing them. In my 15 years of being in New York City, that was interesting to see that glow up like a John Baptiste and stuff you know from like John, he's the musical director for a fellow South Carolinian, stephen Colbert.

Fela Davis: 15:59

Yeah, yeah, well, he was, he was. He left last year. Yeah, yeah, he won the Grammy last year for like best album and stuff. So I mean, when I got there, he had just graduated out of like out of Juilliard at the time, so it was funny to see that rise of him to what he is now.

Charlie Shaw: 16:22

So with that being said, and you know, the show is about inspiring and motivating and finding motivation out of others. That was what was your motivation was to stay in there because you saw greatness in the work.

Fela Davis: 16:36

Yeah, yeah, I saw people coming up. You know, it's not just. I knew that it wasn't an overnight success. I literally was seeing people working every night doing different shows, doing this, doing it. You know, whether you were a musician or a fellow engineer Well, you know Phelous.

Charlie Shaw: 16:57

I'm glad that you said that, because it's hard to stay in something consistent and not see the fruit or come right when you want it to you have to stay consistent, and that's you know. You got to find that motivation within, and sometimes you find it within and you also have other people that kind of motivate you as well. What would you say to somebody coming up in the industry that you are and I'm just gonna put it on as a woman, a black woman at that what would be your, your staple in?

Fela Davis: 17:42

it only works when you're truly passionate about what you do.

Charlie Shaw: 17:47

So the key to this.

Fela Davis: 17:51

Yeah, you really got to like it and there's always, you know, down times and whatever you do, but I always had the passion. I never was like, oh, I'm over this, I don't want to do it anymore, like it was, like this wasn't the best show, but hey, I will do the next one. Well, you know, you know, yeah, just continuously getting better, and that was what I did. I mean, 10, 11 years after even school, of getting better. You're gonna do something, right.

Charlie Shaw: 18:28

Yeah, stay with you, stay with your craft. Yeah, you want that to be your craft.

Fela Davis: 18:32

Yeah.

Charlie Shaw: 18:33

Because, like you said, time creeps up.

Fela Davis: 18:35

Oh, and time is gonna happen, no matter what. You might as well be learning something that you, you know you can take on like well, I'm glad I kept going because I mean, I'm not even touring anymore, but that time helped me to the next thing that I did, and that's where I wanted to lead in.

Charlie Shaw: 18:52

Yeah, you did, did you? Did you ever feel any burnout?

Fela Davis: 19:01

At times, yeah, like touring can, yeah, it can wear you out, it can wear you out, but you see an end to it. Yes, you know, that's the, so it's like, okay, I just got to get to this and then you know I would have time to myself to recuperate and get some sleep. I mean, yeah, it's like sleep deprivation a lot of times because you just flying out every morning to the next country, not the next city, yeah, yeah, yeah, the next country.

Charlie Shaw: 19:32

You know you're in Europe and stuff, so, so what, what, what provoked, what caused you to stop touring, open up your business and provide a service to community? And I would like you to tell us about one of one, and you basically explained 2020 DB.

Fela Davis: 19:51

Yeah, 23 DB, yeah. So 23 DB started while I was on tour and I started getting more into recording bands live. My business partner in that reached out to me on Facebook. I had mixed his band years ago and he was like, hey, I got some gear, would you like to join together and do like a studio or something? I was like I'm only doing live stuff. We could do some live recording. He was like, okay, he's like, let's get it.

Fela Davis: 20:29

So we ended up recording for, like you know, atlantic Records Bow represents stuff like that, doing like pretty heavy recordings, because at the time it was still everything wasn't digital consoles yet. So it will. You know, now in most digital consoles you can just record with a, you know, an ethernet cable or something you can record straight from a, from a digital console. But at the time people were still using a lot of analog, especially in the city. So we had our own equipment. We would tap off of their board or we would even just bring our own preamps and just go straight into our laptop, double mic stuff and, you know, send it to the labels or whatever. So we were doing that and then I was like, oh, I want to get to know more of these artists that I tour with and like do stuff with them. So it created a podcast called the Art of Music Tech.

Fela Davis: 21:37

So that, yeah, so that me and my business partner sometimes he would be on it, sometimes I'd be on the road I did one in like Australia with, like with Marcus Strickland, a great tenor sax player that was on tour with Christian.

Fela Davis: 21:55

I mean I would just do stuff on the road because I was already recording you know Christian stuff anyway, so I had recording equipment on me. So it was like why not just, yeah, use it on the road? So I started that was where it started and then another friend of mine which I also worked for her and her staffing company doing AV, like when I was first getting my legs under me living in New York, and she was like, oh, I want to do a podcast, and then ended up doing a podcast for her because she's a staffing person and a lawyer and stuff, so, and then she put us on to some more of her friends and then we ended up creating one of one together, all three of us. So Dennis, my business partner in 23DB, myself and and Joy Pratcher we all just started, you know, doing podcasts and it kind of just grew from there and then we ended up doing a podcast studio.

Charlie Shaw: 23:00

Okay, so tell me who's your target at all of you, what you do business with. You mentioned to me offline that you're you know you provide a service.

Fela Davis: 23:12

Yeah, yeah, we do a lot of stuff now for for businesses. We were first doing a lot of, you know, trying to do some like a lot of small business stuff, but doing what we do now we're dealing with like commercial business or like a bit or government agencies. So right now we're working with like CDC podcast, human rights, but we've also, you know, did the first year of Ice Tees podcast for iHeartRadio called the. What is his daily game? Um, yeah, yeah, so it gets a daily game. But, yeah, he, we recorded his podcast for him in like seven sessions and it's a daily podcast you can download right now. Yeah, ice Tease daily game, and you know it's great because it's just him and it was five, five minutes per episode. He'll, you know, say a quote and then he'll break down the G code of it, you know, and so that was pretty dope. Yeah, him. And then we also worked with Ebony K Williams. Actually she was our first celebrity podcast because Ebony K Williams was the first black member of the Housewives of New York City, so that was pretty cool. Bravo came through, shot some some footage of her at our studio in New Jersey, because this was, you know, kind of COVID times when she hit us up and that, you know that helped us. You know, do even more than we end up doing some voiceovers with, like BMW recording Victor Cruz.

Fela Davis: 25:21

Yeah, we work with C C Sebathio and his podcast. One time he came into the studio and recorded. So, yeah, it's a, it's wide open, though you know we work with a hearing aid company. Is, you know, so anybody who's trying to get to a mass amount of people and wanted at a high level, because we're I'm using the same stuff I was using out on, you know, out on the road with a Grammy award winner? So, and they and those types of podcasts want high end finishing and all of that sort of thing. And my business partner also like writes music. So he'll produce like their own theme songs and stuff like that. So we get to do everything we're passionate about and I like just the communication of it, like getting out there to information, because we also do with the CDC thing is part of NASDAQ, which is like a HIV prevention organization. So it's great, you know, when I was working in music. But it's like, wow, this is stuff that like helps to save lives even more.

Charlie Shaw: 26:33

So, you know, music saves lives too, but wow, but it's like also get that half of it too, because of the medical side is pretty cool, you know we were talking offline before we came on the show and podcasting, like, for example, I talked to my friends about it and they're looking at me like, oh, what do?

Fela Davis: 26:55

you want to be a radio.

Charlie Shaw: 26:58

Yeah, basically, you know, like I said, I learned. I learned about podcasts a couple years ago during the pandemic. Yeah, because you couldn't go anywhere and everybody was switching over to you know, to it. Yeah, so it was when it was educational piece where you were like what you were talking about? When you're interviewing the artist, you can go pull up your podcast that's still in existence and hear artists learn something new in an industry that you didn't know before.

Charlie Shaw: 27:31

Or audio books or you know somebody you know telling you about, about a you know telling you the story behind books. Or true crime. What I'm doing is the inspiration and motivational part of it. There's all different genres that folks can get into. So that's why I thought it would be interesting talking to you about it because, oh yeah, you've been on you know, you've been on both sides of the audio part of it and you know helping people produce their own, their own shows. So it's very educational for me. We were talking I didn't have to come all the way up here. Yeah, we could have did it over online. Yeah, what it sounds insane. Yep, I'm a.

Fela Davis: 28:25

I have to see.

Charlie Shaw: 28:26

Yeah, oh yeah, studio, but I thought that it would be great to come out here and see what you're working with and how you know go about your, about your day with it, totally, yeah. Oh, there was a couple other things. I wanted to ask you, the business side of it. Tell me a little bit about that. How hard is it getting those contracts and what would you tell the person that you want to inspire to stay motivated and stay in that?

Fela Davis: 29:01

Yeah, it worked out. Okay, go ahead.

Charlie Shaw: 29:06

Because one people think that like artists are started. Yeah, yeah, you might think that podcasters are started. Maybe some of we don't know. I'm new to it, so I don't know. I'm you know, I'm trying to learn. What would you? What's your take on it?

Fela Davis: 29:26

For me. I um, we have a unique position because I have a background in audio and that's why it was so much easier and as far as like how we can do we work with such high end people, that's because, kind of from my previous life, you know, and being able to take on those clients, I'm not, they're not going to they knew that they weren't going to show up to like a yeti or something you know, to the snowball, might you know, like that, yeah, the best buy. You know, I knew that it wasn't going to be that, and so it was much easier for us to get those higher end clients and to convince them that we could do it, because we had these other things in our backgrounds and we had really good equipment that helped us out to take it to the next level. But still, this isn't, this isn't something that has a lot of gatekeepers yet.

Charlie Shaw: 30:45

Well, we mentioned. It's like a little while ago.

Fela Davis: 30:48

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty wide open. So it's like if you could pitch yourself to the right person, like anybody could really, you know, could get in the game. You know, basically have this subject yeah, so yeah, or just say, hey, I'll, you know, work with you, let's build this up, you know, you know. So that kind of depends on you as the person, on how you, you know, what's your motivation? Yeah, what is your motivation? Is it you wanting to do your own podcast or would you like to do this for other people? Yeah, you can work behind the scenes or in front of the mic, exactly, exactly.

Charlie Shaw: 31:25

I learned that on one of those conferences. There's people there I thought maybe they were the personality. Oh man, we want you to come over here and record with us, so we want to edit and you know, edit your project Exactly. There's a career in this if you want.

Fela Davis: 31:42

Yeah, it depends on which way you want to take it. Yeah, totally so. In whatever you do, whether you, you know, work in a coal mine or to you know whatever you can talk about, yeah, there's this, you could put that out there. Like nobody not that many people knows about that particular thing. I look at, you know, youtube and I see how, like you know, the beekeeper lady, like people like seeing stuff that they don't do every day, yes, and you know they like to know about it and, essentially, if you could put a visual to it, that really does something. But even audio wise, like you know, it helped me to be aware, more aware of what was going on in my niche when I was doing, like you know, my podcast was on audio engineering and like, what did you use for this album?

Fela Davis: 32:37

And, you know, I wanted to know more, and so basically, your audience was geared towards the engineer engineer and their story engineers, but also the musicians and how they started to make it and how the technology help out the. You know their situation as well. So, basically, that?

Charlie Shaw: 32:57

that was your niche. Is the education part of it? Okay, yeah, like that, there's that. Like you said, it's a while while, was it yeah?

Fela Davis: 33:06

Oh yeah. So I mean, anybody can get into it, I feel, and you know you put in some time and like, really do your due diligence and finding out why certain things are taken off and why you know you can make it happen.

Charlie Shaw: 33:27

Well, you know, I like to end the show with what. What is, what's your besides business? What joy do you get out of doing what you do for others and working in your field?

Fela Davis: 33:48

Like I said, I'm realizing I really love communication, like I'll whether that was communication of great music or communication of an emergency that's going down in your state city or you know whatever level that is, and I want it to sound great. I really love audio. It's a, it's something I'm really passionate about and when you find something you really like and you would do regardless, like you know, that's the goal.

Charlie Shaw: 34:22

So, like what you like, what you're doing.

Fela Davis: 34:24

Love it. Yeah, yeah, that's what's gotten me through everything Passion.

Charlie Shaw: 34:31

So what advice would you give me?

Fela Davis: 34:33

Oh hey, just keep, keep doing it, cause I mean, you don't know where it's going to take you. No, I don't. You know that's the. You know you'll hear something and be like, oh okay, I had no idea I would get into podcasting. I thought I would always be in music until, you know, four or five years ago, and now I'm like, wow, I love this, I love being able to talk to you. If I, you know, I'd be out and about somewhere, I'd be, you know, out in a different country, or, you know, being able to, you know, talk with people, this is great.

Charlie Shaw: 35:07

Well, I really appreciate you coming on the show.

Fela Davis: 35:10

I appreciate you inviting me up here as well. Oh, thank you for coming through.

Charlie Shaw: 35:15

It was um and it wasn't hard at all. Like I said, I'm not going to tell you what airline.

Fela Davis: 35:26

With those numbers that you said earlier, I think everybody should know if you flown on any flight. So who, where that is, but yeah, folks.

Charlie Shaw: 35:38

Um, we appreciate um failure coming up coming on the show and, um, as always, we appreciate you guys listening to little metal and filter podcast. Um, we hope that today's discussion inspired you, know, and gave you some thought provoked ideas on what you can do, um, with whatever project that you want to turn, in turn into something you know fulfilling to you, or or something that you can share with the world. Um, as I conclude the show, I just wanted to thank you guys again for taking time out to listen, to listen to the show and don't forget to subscribe, um whatever platform that you listen to, to our show until the next time. Take care and thank you. Thank you for joining us for this episode of the little metal on filter podcast.

Charlie Shaw: 36:29

We hope you found today's discussion inspiring and thought provoking. Your ongoing support and engagement are incredibly valuable to us and we appreciate the time you spent with us. Remember to stay connected with us on social media and share your thoughts and feedback. Your input helps us continue to improve and deliver content that resonates with you. As we conclude today's episode, we want to extend our sincere thanks to our special guests for sharing their insight with us and, of course, a big thank you to all of you for being part of our podcast community. Until next time, take care and stay inspired. This is Charlie Shaw sign off, wishing you all the fantastic day ahead. We look forward to having you join us again for our next episode of little metal on filter. Goodbye for now.