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Unlocking Tasmania: Fishing Adventures, Lure Science, and pie eating competitions with Dylan and Hooch from the Snagged Podcast
Prepare to unlock the secrets of Tasmania's vibrant fishing culture with Dylan and Hooch from the Snagged podcast. Join us as Dylan shares his experiences running Fishin Straya, a popular social media platform dedicated to fishing enthusiasts, and Hooch recounts his early fishing adventures that led him to the Snagged podcast. From trout fishing in crystal-clear waters to mastering techniques for catching Australian salmon, this episode is a treasure trove of insights and stories from Australia's diverse fishing landscapes. You'll also learn about their friendship with Tom, the owner of a Hobart tackle shop, and the impact of fishing trade shows on their journeys.
Ever wondered about the science behind fishing lures? Discover the intricacies of lure performance, the importance of color and weight, and the innovative future of micro-machination in lure design. Dylan and Hooch spill the beans on their favorite fishing trips and the unique challenges they faced in Tasmania's stunning environments, from rainforests to rocky highlands. Plus, we dive into the ethical side of hunting and fishing, exploring humane practices and the influence of social media on the community. Whether you're a seasoned angler or a curious newbie, this episode offers a rich blend of practical advice, ethical considerations, and captivating outdoor tales.
But that's not all—get ready for some fascinating discussions on conservation policies, political engagement in the fishing community, and the diverse fishing techniques used in Tasmania. Hear about memorable boating adventures, thrilling fishing horror stories, and even a gunsmith's incredible lion hunting story. We wrap up with a light-hearted look at pig shooting enthusiasm and heartfelt farewells, making this episode an unforgettable journey through the captivating world of fishing and outdoor adventures.
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Music, the fact that there is so much fishing experiences crammed into Australia. I think that's why we just get absolutely hammered. And there's so many different types of lures.
Speaker 2:Like certain times of the year, trout will attack pretty much anything, sometimes the year in that clean what they call gin clear water. They're very, very tricky, but I mean Australian salmon if you get them in a little bit of moving water, as long as you turn and burn. We call it turn and burn. Throw a halco slice, rip it through where you think they are and you'll get some fish.
Speaker 3:I fear that if they did go down and say, hey, we're going to be live baiting and there'll be people in the fishing community, they're like, oh okay, like yeah, I don't live bait.
Speaker 2:um, doesn't really affect me specifically and not fight against that's. This is the thing that, and it's just a domino yeah, it's, it's absolutely crazy and it's a very worrying situation.
Speaker 3:Welcome back Accurate Hunts, a Life Outdoors. Now, it's not very often I talk to other podcasters it's actually a lie. I speak to a couple but these guys popped up. Maybe it was the $3,000 they sent on sponsored posts or something, I'm not sure. But in every page that I'm on, in every feed in Instagram, in Facebook, the world was telling me I need to talk to some guys from Tasmania and they were busy. But I got on. Dylan and Hooch from the Snag podcast, welcome boys G'day. Thanks for having us, no worries. So these guys have set up a weekly podcast down there, which you know. Good luck to you. That's hard to belt out. I've been on that weekly front and it's a fishing-based podcast which interests me greatly because I am a horrible fisher person or a fisher them, as some would say and you know I've got you on to pick your brains. Hooch has got a bit of hunting background. Dylan's got not a whole lot of background, he's only 12. Basically, he's only 12.
Speaker 1:Basically.
Speaker 3:He looks like he is. To be fair, he's 20. Yeah, 20. We're still yet to see any shaving happening.
Speaker 1:He's still got a two in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly, he does have a two in it. So we're going to rip through some stuff tonight. We're going to have some fun. I want to talk about how it works in Tasmania your guys' background fishing in general and then a couple of specialty stuff. I know you guys do a lot of trout stuff as well, so that definitely interests me. I have a lot of them local to where I am and it's something I'm interested in pursuing. So if we can get a little elevator pitch 10-second, 20-second 30-second intro on Dylan.
Speaker 1:You rip in and then I'll go across to hooch, right, well, my name is dylan richards. As we mentioned earlier, I run fish australia, which is like a social media platform on youtube and all of that and, uh, do like fishing videos all around tassie, mainly trout fishing, but like do inshore saltwater fishing as well as a little bit offshore whenever I can. But yeah, recently jumped on the snag podcast with hooch and Tom and Dean, which aren't on the podcast today, but yeah, it's pretty good, pretty fun. But yeah, hoosh, how did you meet those guys so pretty much about six years ago when I was, oh God, even younger than 12. Yeah, about six. No, I was about 14.
Speaker 1:And I think I had like 50 subscribers and was down Hobart actually watching footy and went into the Fisherman's Shed which is Tom's tackle shop down Hobart and just went in there and cried wolf and said oh, I do YouTube videos and a little squeaky voice and Tom loved it and he just sort of watched me just take it as a step and step and step and step and ended up sort of getting closer and closer to working with Tom and stuff like that. And then last year he had a person fall out last minute for AFTA, which is a big fishing trade show which we just got back from in Goldie, and he had someone fall out and he sent me a message like on a monday night saying is there any chance you can get the rest of the week off and come to hobart like tomorrow night and go to goldie and do a heap of promo work for me? And yeah, it's just dylan's like yeah, yeah, on my way I've got Got the wake off.
Speaker 1:Let me ring the school and see if I can get off. Yeah and yeah, pretty much just went from there and Dean is a close mate of Tom's. And then Hooch just sort of just wandered in, just lurked into the background and here he is.
Speaker 3:Murchie Hooch. What's your background? How did you end up in this?
Speaker 2:crew. Just before I start I might mention that you do a range of lures as well Dylan trout lures but I won't go right into that, people can look for them themselves. I got mixed up because Tom asked I should say no to people a lot more. My dad would say that because he's always mentioning how tall my lawn is and my yard needs to be tidy. But Tom just asked and I said yes.
Speaker 2:So a bit of my background. I'm Tassie Vaughan and bred. I grew up with a fishing rod in one hand and an air rifle in one the other, and then life just gets in the way, um, you know, with work and raising your own family, but over the years I've had a real healthy mix of uh motorbikes and four drives outdoors fishing and hunting. Um, I worked in some trades and then I worked at a paper mill, which was shift work which allowed me to get away a bit. It was a pretty good roster.
Speaker 2:And then that wound up and I was asked to help those people that lost their jobs into new roles and then I made my own job when that finished. That was a contract and I became a sales agent for fishing and hunting gear, which I quite enjoyed, and now I work for a peak body called Tarfish. So we're responsible and like to be the conduit to 130-odd thousand recreational fishers in Tasmania, so that's my day job. I've got to be fairly careful because I have to play a fairly straight bat and make sure I get my foot out to the line of the wicket on most days with that, whereas normally my life is about rocking back onto the back foot and just carting everyone over the back fence. So I have to sort of be very succinct and politically correct at times. But I'm off the chain tonight, so anything could happen.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they're probably not listening to me. So you know we can Look out. She's go time.
Speaker 2:We can delve into where did Hooch come from as a nickname? People think it's drugs predominantly, but it's not. I was in the surf club in 1988. I was sitting out, I was grade 10, and I was sitting outside of the surf club and this big, burly, bikey-looking dude said have you ever rode a surf boat? And I said no. And he said well, you do now. And he practically picked me up and dragged me like a kitten, because he was a fairly big dude I wasn't a small chap but he was way bigger than me and he dragged me out to what they called the bronze medallion. And they were two days into it and I had to play some catch up and I got my bronze medallion and became a surf boat row, which I thoroughly enjoyed. It was some of the greatest time of my life rowing surf boats and being in the surf club.
Speaker 2:And, um, the guy that fixed the surfboards, the, the paddleboards and the surf skis took his missus out at the time to a movies in uh might have been 89 when Turner and Hooch came out and about two days later he said I'm going to nickname you Hooch. I said what is that? And he said well, I watched this movie and you remind me of the dog. Anyway it stuck and he never really said why. But months later, when it came out on VHS that's how long ago, dylan, you ever seen a VHS? Wouldn't have thought so.
Speaker 2:And so you wouldn't even see the DVD, would you Dylan? Anyway, I watched it on CDs. I watched it and I was mortified because I wasn't sure whether it was because I dribbled as much as that dog or what. But it was no, it was because of the way the dog eats and runs around busting. Apparently that was me. So it's Stark. Poor. Mum gets Mrs Hooch, dad gets Mr Hooch. No one knows my name, kelly. I've had mates that were like 20-year friends ring me up and say oh Hooch, apparently you know some Kelly Hunt person that's got old Falcon parts. I said Glenn, that's me, you idiot. Oh, all right.
Speaker 3:So yeah, that's where that comes from. Do you have any nicknames, dylan?
Speaker 1:Not really Just so. Do you have something? Oh wow, here we go again. No, just pretty, I thought you were keeping it clean. Sorry, yeah, you're the one person that asked. I caught fish in Australia a fair bit, two jetties Fish a fair bit, but nothing really. Just fish in Australia is basically it, or just Dylan. Really, how about you? Do you have any? The boys have?
Speaker 3:told me that. Well, I'll get to that in a second. The boys have told me that, like a fish, you've got some pretty colours and pretty you know pictures on the side of you, a bit like a nice little rainbow trout. Or your coloured stickers, tough stickers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you've got a couple of questionable ones, but it's funny we can get there later on.
Speaker 3:How funny. Now Keep your shirt on. I think Exactly. Look nickname-wise for me.
Speaker 3:I've never said this publicly out loud, but Dodge isn't my real name and I don't need to tell you what it is. But most people don't realise that and it stemmed from my dad. He called me that when I was born. Like that was his nickname for me my whole life, and it wasn't until I started working with him when I was 17, 18 I suppose, 18 or 19. Um, we did fencing he's a fencer, went to work with him and everyone started calling me that and then I got into the hunting and it stuck. I ran with that. I don't actually remember a time where I said I'm gonna run like change name from real name to nickname, but it just became a thing and now it's. No one knows me as anything else and I kind of like to keep it that way. Not that it matters, I just like it better than my real name. But the where it come from is my. My dad's an elvis fan and elvis's grandma used to be called grandma dodge, so I'm named after an old lady there, there you go, let's go.
Speaker 2:And it's funny nicknames, I mean, they'll stick. Yeah, yeah, I mean Dodge works.
Speaker 3:I've done a lot of work in the States and it's a memorable name for them, because Dodge car is much more of an icon over there, yeah. Oh, you're the Aussie guy, dodge. Like it's just, everyone knew it. Yeah, so it was easy it's.
Speaker 1:It's funny like that like when we were, um, when we were up in gold coast and we were doing all these little promo videos, like it was always just oh, it's bubba, bart's dylan, or fish australia from snag podcast. And then what we were looking at and like I didn't even know what I was saying when I was like, oh, it's dylan from snag podcast, it's just like I'm so used to saying it's fish australia. It's like who the hell is dylan? It's just, whenever I'm behind the camera, it's just fish australia, fish australia, it's just nothing else.
Speaker 3:It was so weird to actually go oh the only people that the only people that call my real names a couple of people at church, mom and the wife when she's cranky at me or something. My son actually ran up the hallway the other day yelling out my name, like he's two, so he usually just calls me dad and he come running up the hallway saying my name. It was, I recorded. It was very funny, just. And you know, we um at our church, we, you know, if you come to the church we would call you um, like the kids would refer to you as Uncle Hooch or Uncle Dylan. So he, because we go to church and everyone calls me, you know, uncle Dodge then he thought that was my name, like. So he would talk to me and say, hey, uncle Dodge, I'm like. No, I'm your dad, like I'm not your uncle. It's hard to explain that when that's what they hear you get called. How was AFTA? So is that a? What does it stand for? First?
Speaker 2:Australian Fishing Tackle Association, so the Australian Fishing.
Speaker 3:Tackle.
Speaker 2:Association sort of controls the industry and they have members. So the members are predominantly the stores and also the manufacturers and importers.
Speaker 3:So is it open to public or trade only?
Speaker 2:Never used to be, but last year and this year, and I think they will do it. It's a four-day conference, with the last day being open to the public, and it's quite a success. I think there was 4,000 people there and Dylan, we missed out on it, but you would have noted last year how good it was. Could they shop or just look? No, they got free stuff and some giveaways and some prizes, but no shopping.
Speaker 1:No, we didn't do the open day last year either. Oh, didn't you? No, after like two or three days of walking around looking at a thousand fishing lures, it's nice to just have a day to relax and realise you're in Gold Coast, you're not in Tassie, it's not five degrees, and actually just do something other than just look at fishing gear and go on. What?
Speaker 3:would you do Go down to Cave Ave and check out the meter maids? Did you go out while you were up there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, maybe Are you even legal allowed. You were up there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe Are you even legal allowed to drink up there.
Speaker 2:Dylan did go out, but given the nature of this podcast, I don't think we should go into too much detail of what Dylan got up to, what we did do one night, and I'll let you listeners know if they're ever in that Broadbeach area. There was a place that we found accidentally called the Vault Vault and we're sitting there and the Vault, and we're sitting there and there's a guy on the piano and because of the bifold doors well, they're more than bifold there was five or six panels, so whatever that is fold doors and we couldn't really see too much. We could see the big piano and the bloke on the piano was good and he had a great voice and it was like a heap of range and I was like, wow, and we're trying to get a look. And the people sitting next to me could see and they said, well, he's the chef. I'm like what do you mean? He's the chef. So we moved and he's got the chef kit on proper chef kit, with the chef hat, and we thought, well, that's a bit random.
Speaker 2:Anyway, our food came out and we didn't think much of it, it was just tapas and we ordered some stuff to share and we got into it. I think the boys were pretty hungry. And then, all of a sudden, I turn around and here's the guy with the chef kit on the guitar, playing the guitar with his mates, with Jimi Hendrix, and belting out these songs. He was phenomenal, wasn't he Dylan?
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was good and harmonica at one stage too Just pulled everything out.
Speaker 2:He on stage two just pulled everything out. He was sensational. So if you get up there to the Brodie check, out the vault.
Speaker 3:I'll put it on the to-do list. Have you got any hidden talents, Dylan?
Speaker 1:Musical skills Not really musical. I used to dabble in footy, but that got in the way of fishing, so now she's just full fishing every weekend.
Speaker 2:So I'm looking forward to it. How is footy skills musical?
Speaker 1:He said hobbies.
Speaker 2:Oh, I thought he just said musical skills, I've got zero.
Speaker 3:No hidden skills.
Speaker 2:Oh, hidden skills. I've got zero musical talent, but I am the world record film-only pie-eating champion. I got that down to 27.53 seconds. If anyone can eat two film-only pies and drink a can of Coke, you know, under that they can have at it.
Speaker 3:Yeah right. Did you get a photo on the wall of plaque, or is that a gold thing? Video.
Speaker 2:Every time I walk in he gives me a free pie. So I know this is not shooting or fishing.
Speaker 3:Well, we haven't even done any shooting or fishing yet. I know, I know it's crazy 15 minutes in. I love food talk.
Speaker 2:So let's go. Well, back in the surf club days there was Justin Phoebe. He was a dear mate of mine, no-transcript. She said well, I want to drive down to the supermarket. Anyone want to come and give me a hand? I'm like yep, I mean the tank, mambo tank top and some surf shorts, bare feet off, I, off I go. And so she ducked off the other aisles, none of my business, and they had this bit of a thing film man. He was doing a bit of a promotion and it was a pie eating thing. And I'm just hiding because at that stage I didn't do anything in front of a microphone or camera at all. At that stage I was not interested. Anyway, the guy that was helping him spotted me and he used to run the local um takeaway store and he said, oh, there's kelly, because I wasn't hooched to him. Then he goes here's Kelly, a young lad from Forth. He's pretty good on the tooth. We'll get him out of here, so out I went. Long story short, I obliterated that field. They were eating them in like three minutes two pies, two warm pies and a can of Coke in three minutes, and I'd done it full of muffins from the breakfast in about a minute and ten. And so that was that and I won.
Speaker 2:I got a couple of days before Christmas we were doing a thing at the surf club and there was a big esky and some towels and all this pies and Coke and this big Coke umbrella and I gave it away. I don't think I've got a thing to show for it. But then many, many years later I heard that a big New Zealand guy beat my time and went 52 seconds. That was fair enough. I didn't think much of it. But then many, many moons later he shut down. He had pie stores around the state. He shut down and he started up again in Coiba, devonport and he said he had a bit of a promo about his pie eating and I was about to have a gastric sleeve, which I've had now. So I was 158 kilos and I'm about 108 now, and so I thought before I have this gastric sleeve, I'm going to have a crack at this New Zealander.
Speaker 2:So I bought one pie. I bought two pies, but one was a practice because I figured if I could get one pie down quick and I approached it scientifically and I worked it out. I worked it out and a couple of mates helped me. If I turned the pie upside down and squeezed it, it made a banana shape and fitted the same shape as my gullet. So I only had to sort of bite it twice.
Speaker 2:You can see where the hooch nickname came from. So I've bitten this thing twice and chewed it and swallowed it, slammed the Coke down, kept a little bit to wash the next one down because that's tricky, and I got somewhere close to 35. So I smashed his record and I said to someone stupidly I reckon I can go sub 30. And my mum was helping me film that particular effort and she thought I was actually going to choke to death so she mucked up the filming of it at all. But then I got my mate to help me film and I think I'm pretty sure it was 27 seconds and 50-something. But if that gets beaten it'll be a phenomenal effort. So they can have a crack at it.
Speaker 3:So two warm pies and a can of Coke.
Speaker 2:Two warm pies and it's crucial there's a bit of science in this. You have to have your pies at the right temperature. Too hot and you'll score yourself. I've done that in practice. Too cold and that meat and that gravy won't be jealous of us enough to get a slide. So there's a real good, there's a real prime temp, and turning the pies upside down was crucial, and sculling a fair bit of your Coke and then leaving a fair bit of your Coke and then leave it a little bit, because you get to slow down and then you can bang that Coke and away you go. So there you go.
Speaker 3:What sauce? No sauce, no sauce. I think sauce would add lubrication.
Speaker 2:Sauce would, but there was no sauce. Is that a technicality or self-inflicted?
Speaker 3:Oh, I don't think anyone brought sauce into it, but yeah it would have been good to have a bit of sauce down wherever that. Now I'd like to hear from you, dylan, with the exact same enthusiasm as that, as to how much detail you put into your lures, because I feel like his story's got a lot of detail and I want to try and get that out of a lure. But now we'll get, we'll rip into the lures in a second. I want to know. We better circle back to actually something we should talk about tonight on the fishing side of things. And you said there's like 10 000 lures or whatever up it after whatever it was called. Yeah, um, what, what like? How different can they be? And I'll I'll preface this with I'm a horrible fisher person, fisherman so you want to go first, or?
Speaker 3:yeah, I want him to go and talk about how different they are and then why he's different.
Speaker 1:Well, like I suppose, when you look at it and you look at the people that like, go over to America and fish all these bass comps, and like people that fish all the Australian brim tournaments and bass tournaments and stuff like that around Australia, like they do it that much that they notice like the slightest little difference, like whether it's just a slight change in color or a slight weight of how slow that lure sinks or how fast it sinks. You'll go there and you'll have everything and it'll have 10 colors and then it'll have a size this big and then it'll be this big, and then it'll be this big and it'll have you know, 10 colors and then it'll have a size this big and then it'll be this big and then it'll be this big and it'll be this big. But I mean, when you look at the grand scheme of it, you've got like australia, we've got such a wide range of fishing. Like you go, you've got tasmania where you can catch, you know, you got trout, you got brim, then you got on the east coast you've got tuna, and then you go up more to your like great barrier reef and stuff like that. You've got huge gt which is all surface lures and stuff like that and you go in more you've got barramundi and like there's just that much variety in australia that we just get absolutely pumped out lures.
Speaker 1:And the thing is most people like say you live in victoria, you know they probably, you know they do a bit of murray cod fishing, but then they also like chase snapper or chase squid in your um, I'm having a mind blank. I've completely forgot what the harbour in there is called. That's it Like in Melbourne, in Victoria, there Horseraday, yeah.
Speaker 2:Horseraday or.
Speaker 1:Mallacoota. Yeah, yeah, but like the fact that there is so much fishing experiences crammed into Australia, I think that's why we just get absolutely hammered and there's so many different types of lures and like it's funny, like you look at like a certain lure that they've created and they've thought of, they want to catch a certain fish in northern territory and they won't even like know that trout get that big in Tas territory and they won't even like know that trout get that big in tasmania. And I'll pick it up. The first thing I think is, oh, like I want to fish that for trout.
Speaker 3:so it's just so much in colors and everything it's yeah with like I want to rewind a little bit into the science of a lure and essentially you're imitating a wounded fish or a wounded target bait fish. For the fish that you're targeting Yep, Essentially correct Yep. So when you're changing colours and things, the colours these things are coming out are in colours that that bait fish is never in. Yeah, Yep yeah there's a lot of vagracies To do with the eyesight and things in fish and Well, there's vagracies around what you're trying to do.
Speaker 2:So you can do wounded bait fish, or you can do bait fish that are scared or skittered, and so there'll be different actions. So if you get a lure that's doing a big shimmer like that, that's for your species, like yellowtail, kingfish and salmon that really will, or Spanish mackerel that are like the dogs at the greyhound races, it doesn't matter what they see, they're going to chase it. Like I'm sure the dog knows that it's a ball of fluff, but something in his brain goes oh, I'm going to chase that. So off they go. So a shimmer will attract those fish, the fish like murray cod and some of those uh species that sit down in the home. You're trying to annoy those fish. So that's why the murray cod law's got big bibs. They sit up and they've got a slow waddle and they stay in in the zone a lot longer. So they're striking out of basically being annoyed. Uh, not, they can strike from hunger but also territorial as well, and there's a lot of fish that are like that.
Speaker 2:And Dylan mentioned brim. Like you can have one brim-coloured lure, but it can be a deep diver or a shallow diver and it can be a suspending, a floating or a sinking, because those brim, when you throw to them you can give them a rip-rip so they come down, and then you give them a wiggle and then you relax on them and br can give them a rip, rip so they come down and then you give them a wiggle, waggle, and then you relax on them and brim will hit a lure when it's suspended. And so then you've got to work out does your lure float and suspend in brackish water or fresh water or salt water? And so there is a lot of science that goes into it. Berkeley that do a predominantly soft plastic, so also hard bodies, but that's soft. They have a laboratory in America that's probably six or seven acres of fishing laboratory, all to do with scents, material colours. Now for mine, the colours is more about the angler. There are certain colours that definitely will trigger a fish, but there's a lot to do with packaging and also colour to do with angler, because we have a bit of a thing, there's a sliding scale of matching the hatch and then what the hell? And so when I talk about matching the hatch, the fly fishermen spend a lot of time and they make some majestic and artistic. You know, extremely realistic, oh, very realistic insects and that's matching the hatch. And we do a bit of match the hatch with some smaller lures and bits and pieces, but then those same trout.
Speaker 2:We fish for them with these things called fish cakes, which are principally just big bits of broom handle. I used to make them as a kid. You cut the end off mum's um broom handle. Broom handles were knocked about when I was a kid because if you weren't making monkey magic nunchuck sticks, you were making fish cakes. And then you put like a little propeller on them and you paint them up the silliest of colours and you throw them and you just roll them slowly and the little propeller goes bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. But they've got trebles hanging off them everywhere. That represents nothing that flies in Tasmania or in the bottom of New South Wales or Victoria, yet they catch fish. It's really quite crazy. So it's basically open to your imagination and then it's up to the manufacturer to catch fish on them and prove them.
Speaker 3:And then it's up to me to use them uselessly, like you could give me the best lure for the best situation and you could be right next to me, but if I don't work it right or present it right or and I do, uh, follow a few guys aussie fly fishing, um hall fly fishing and things and they do a lot of stuff up northern, uh, north australia and there's like surface fishing for these things and you can see like they've got good footage and that you know, oh, we didn't present that one right right or we moved that one wrong and just the fish ignored it and went the other way. But that's in clear water, so you can see what they're doing. Oh, yeah, very much so.
Speaker 2:But if you're new to fishing, pick a species that basically you know suicides at the sight of a lure and that will give you some good confidence to then start picking those fish that are tricky. Like certain times of the year, trout will attack pretty much anything Sometimes of the year in that clean, what they call gin clear water. They're very, very tricky, but I mean Australian salmon. If you get them in a little bit of moving water, as long as you turn and burn we call it turn and burn throw a halco slice, rip it through where you think they are and you'll get some fish in it and that'll excite you for the next stage. Nothing worse than going to the bank of a river and just cast, cast, cast, cast which I did the other day, mind you, and didn't turn a handle on a fish. That's miserable.
Speaker 3:That's that, lure. I said it must be user error though.
Speaker 2:Oh no, the lure was rubbish. I mentioned it to Dylan, I kept it. It had no action. It was like a stick coming through the water. It was rubbish, were you testing? Is that something you did? No, it was just some. We were just doing a video for the podcast announcing some giveaway and I was just throwing this lure and I was doing it to camera and I noticed I'm just watching this lure going well, I am doing a video, but I wouldn't mind catching a fish and going oh, that would make a good video.
Speaker 2:It was just rubbish, and that's the difference between sometimes a. I'm sure that lure was off Timu or it wouldn't have been Timu but it would have been eBay back in the day. It was just a rubbish. Lure Looked a million bucks, looked a million bucks, but it just wasn't doing it.
Speaker 3:My father-in-law bought a I don't know 150mm long, segregated, hard-bodied thing with a couple of hooks hanging off it and it, you know, was electric. So you'd charge it up and it caught nothing except seaweed. It was just good fun for the kids to play with and get hooked up.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting concept, though, and I think that concept will come a lot more. I got laughed at about six, seven years ago at a conference and I called it micro-machination. I basically invented the term on the spot, but I just had you know, you get these little green things that are like an ant or a little bit of a cockroach sort of thing, and they've got a little solar-powered thing and they've got a little motor on them and they, out of whack, vibrate. The kids you might not have seen them, but you put them out in the sun and they're little cockroachy things and the sun makes the little motor go on there an out-of-whack sort of a thing, and they vibrate. And I was watching that going.
Speaker 2:If you could somehow get a fishing lure and I've seen those ones that you were talking about. I've seen them and they're a little bit big and a little bit sort of, yeah, clunky, yeah, but when they get that technology and you can throw a lure and be connected with it and maintain some connection. But I've seen them swim and they look like they're going to get eaten big. But I've seen them swim and they look like they're going to get eaten big, and I mean they actually make Murray cod lures that look like baby glass that have fallen out of the nest. I've actually seen them. So there's just a wide range of people's ideas.
Speaker 3:I've got a blue-tongued lizard lure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not sure you catch too many fish on them, but they look wicked. It makes sense if there's in the Murray River there's a lot of trees with galah nests and one falls out. I've got no doubt in my mind a Murray cod will eat a dead baby galah, because I've seen firsthand southern bluefin tuna that have eaten cormorants and these were 120-kilo tuna and they've eaten cormorants and those little Jesus birds I call them. They skip on the surface of the water, they walk on the water. They're only tiny and there was three or four of those in its stomach contents when they harvested that fish. It's surprising what they'll eat.
Speaker 3:What's your favourite fish to catch? Dill Trout, Trout's the obvious. Or does it get a bit easy now?
Speaker 1:Oh well, like like yes and no, but the like. The one thing about trout fishing in tasmania is you've got so much variety in tasmania. Like the west coast of tasmania is like a rainforest, like it is ridiculous. It rains 300 odd days a year there. Um, the highland Lakes are just literally full of rocks and it looks like it hasn't been rained on in about 300 days, and then you've got rivers and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:So trout is always something that's been relatively close to home, that I've done for a long time. But other than trout I'd definitely say kingfish is the next thing that puts like a good amount of thrill through me, because they're something that I'm currently, you know, just starting to work out Like cause in Tassie. They only come down here for a couple of months and they're more sort of like obviously seasonal. But yeah, that's probably the next thing that I want to develop some time into and sort of get a bit more of an idea on. But if I had to say one, it'd be probably trout, since I've just done it for so long fly fishing as well no, no, I I don't know.
Speaker 1:Like I a lot of people, like when they start lure fishing, when they go into fly fishing, and like I went through that, but it's sort of it's hard like to want to like put down, like when you fish lures for so long. It's hard to want to pick up a fly rod and cast and cast while you're like, oh, that looks so good, like if I just picked up a lure and threw it in there, you know I'd probably catch a fish. So I don't know, like I'd never really picked it, picked it up and went with it. But like I mean, it's obviously been around for ages and it catches fish and you know, some people love it, some people love to stare at people that do it.
Speaker 3:So and I'm one of them at the moment, I feel it's a little bit like the archery side of of hunting you're, you're prepared, you're going into it prepared and knowing that you're not going to be as successful as you would be with a rifle. But man, when you get one, like yeah, it, it, it feels, better it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know it's a little bit more enjoyable because you've had to work harder for it. But at my point in life and you're probably the same to me success is having something to show for it, not necessarily just having a good time. Yeah, uh, like we have a good time too. But if you come home without fish, you're like ah, I didn't really have a good day, didn't catch anything, whereas a fly fisherman, you, who comes home with an empty bag and no fish, he's still smiling. Yeah, he just seems to be at that point of his life where he's okay to which that's like a funny thing to mention too, with like obviously you do social media for your hunting side of it.
Speaker 1:I do social media for the fishing side of it.
Speaker 1:It's like it's very interesting because it's like you know, before you even really did it, you just you know you'd go fishing and you're just happy to get out, but then it's like you don't put pressure on yourself but you're like oh god, like if I could catch a good fish, I know I'll get a good video. Oh, if I could catch a good fish, I know I'll get good photos. And like it's funny, it tricks with your mind and it's like for some people, I feel like that would definitely ruin it, but I feel it's the complete opposite. For me, it makes me want to go, you know, further and further and further and push harder and harder and harder, because it's like for me, you know, going out and catching fish is all about sharing it to people online, because, like so I'm 20. I've been doing the YouTube side of it since I was 14. That is, for me, what fishing is Like. I haven't gone fishing by myself and not thought about, oh, I'd like to try and get a video from it.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, it's interesting how it plays with social media and stuff like that, but yeah, well, who just said it before you know he was playing with a lure and taking a video. It would have been nice if I caught a fish while I was doing it. Yeah, it's just. It adds to the situation of the video. Um, obviously, you know, if you look at someone's instagram feed and they're a fishing guide or whatever, and you're just looking at pictures of sunsets and scenery and rivers and rocks, it's not very interesting yeah, you don't go fishing with them, you know fish you want, yeah, you want fish.
Speaker 3:It's that's what you're looking for. Uh, our local hunting club and I know they're all listening uh, we just had our agm the other night and they put up their little bios of you know, the president and everything. And there's five pictures went up and three of them have got dead animals and two of them have got sunsets and I said, oh, you can tell who the hunters are. Oh, what did I say? Who?
Speaker 2:the killers are.
Speaker 3:And the other two were just into painkillers.
Speaker 2:It's interesting though the point you raised. I've seen some people do it quite well where they tell the story of the trip but they're happy to celebrate their donuts Like in the fishing world we call them donut days Got a big zero, so Steve Starling, he did a video and I think he got a sense that he wasn't going to go and he'd do it good. So he shaped that video as a donut day and that sort of resonated a little bit, because Because everyone has it Well, it ruins everyone if you think you watch. I know there's some people on our local social media in and around Tasmania and they're followed by people here and also on the mainland and they're always holding fish and, oh, I've done this trip. But you just don't see I know personally, particularly with Snapper, they might have done in a month four social media posts, but they've gone fishing 20 nights in that month, risked divorce, cost them a fortune and people just think, oh, they catch fish every time they go. It's just not the case and it was once we went.
Speaker 2:We were in Port Stephens once and myself and the man in this other painting here he's passed away now, but we were in Port Stephens and Michael Guest, who has a fishing show. He asked us to go out with him. They had a couple of cricketers. One of them was Harmington or someone who was an English, I don't know who he was, but he was an English fast bowler. We went out and had a great day. We had some good vision, we got some fish jumping, we hooked some fish, but because we didn't land one, he wasn't prepared to show it and I just thought that and that was like five years ago.
Speaker 2:That's a bit of a shame, because you should say to people you don't always have success when you do these things. You spend your money, you spend your time, you back yourself, but not every time. It's like with hunting as well. The amount of times I've gone fallow deer shooting and come out with nothing and ridiculed by mates and and partners at the time and mum and dad, where's my venison, my venison roast? It's um, yeah, you just would stop doing it, but you don't. You just keep going. So I think sometimes it's the onus is on some of these social media people to have an occasional Donut Day video or have a video where you know I missed or a trot on a stick, or I've actually watched that Meat Eater show and he had a couple of really bad misses and I thought that was relevant, I thought that was quite resonating with me.
Speaker 3:I was just going to bring that up. He's probably one of well, I mean, he's the most watched one, so I want to say that. But the most recent one that's done Donut episodes. Well, and he's not afraid to show that he messes up or whatnot. I mean he's lost animals, wounded them and things. It happens. You're not going to make a show out of it, but he's at a point, not every time. He's also at a point. I don't know if you know much background about him. He has. He doesn't need sponsors. He is his own massive thing. So when you're in the, you know, delicate stages of fledgling, onlineness, you can't afford to be seen to be doing those things because you've got to protect the image and protect the brand and your sponsors and things like that. But he doesn't care if he puts a show out and he wounded an animal and you know it happens, it definitely happens. I say to people if you don't, you know, if you haven't wounded an animal and lost it, you haven't shot enough animals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I mean he does it the right way too. He shows the effort that he puts in and that is like a stewardship, because some people might wound an animal and spend 10 minutes and go oh no, she's all too hard, but that's not the way we should go about our business as hunters. And he shows a really good amount of stewardship in putting in as much effort, a really good amount of stewardship in putting in as much effort. And I mean if he loses an animal it may even go on to survive. It's either not lost enough blood or he hasn't hit it in the right spot. Who knows, it could go off and die and end up a carcass in the bush. But he does it the right way. I think he shows that you've got to put a lot of effort into it and when he does, you know, does eventually find that animal, dispatches it cleanly and then sets about maximizing that meat recovery.
Speaker 3:So I think he does a fantastic job I was going to ask this question later, but we're on the topic now, so I'll head into it and then we'll circle back to trout, because I've got uh, I started, I've got a thing on my website where you can write in and send a question. And you know people send in questions and then I read them out on air and if they get read out on air they get a hat and at the end of the year they go in the draw to win a hunt with me.
Speaker 3:So I've got some questions to get to, and they're trout related, because they knew you were coming on. But talking about wounding animals now it's an awkward question.
Speaker 2:I don't want people, I think. I know where you're going here. Can I answer the question? We'll come back to this, but can?
Speaker 2:I answer my fish. You were going to ask what fish I catch. Yeah, I am a meat eater. I'm a fisher that likes to put stuff in my esky. Everyone says, oh, are you into fitness? Yeah, fitness into my esky? Yeah. But my fish that I love to catch are mako shark and marlin, because they are an adrenaline fish. Now, the mako shark if it's a big one, we will release it because it could be a breeding female or whatever. If it's a smaller one, we'll harvest it. But a lot of people do the same thing. Marlin, predominantly tag and release, and I think that's where you're about to go. Are you the ideology around?
Speaker 3:No, well, no, not particularly catch and release. My question is I think that hunters, meaning shooters, archers, are more I've been trying to work out how to word this for the last couple of days ethically more humane towards animals than fishermen. And it is a bugbear of mine that fishing is so widely accepted and hunting is not. But if you actually look at what's happening to the animals, hunting is much more humane from a and I want to say, live bait type thing. But even just chucking a fish back in after dragging it, it's the equivalent of us using, you know, wounding a goat, tying it to a tree to catch a lion or something. Yes, sort of If we use that you know analogy of what goat tying it to a tree to catch a lion or something.
Speaker 3:Yes, sort of, If we use that you know analogy of what's happening in the fish world and I know there's the whole pain, receptor type things and I'm not scientifically versed on that. So please rip into me if I'm and I also don't want this question to see like I love fishing and I've used live bait and so I'm not saying I'm better than anyone else. I just want to know what your thoughts are on it because it's a crappy topic.
Speaker 2:but no, no, it's a good.
Speaker 3:I'm glad the greenies don't dwell on it too much, because you know they're already working on bow hunting, so it won't be far until they're chasing you guys.
Speaker 2:I don't see it as a crappy topic. I say it's a very relevant topic and and there's a lot of um, interesting vagrancies amongst that as well and some conflict as well, because it comes down to that pain receptor stuff and it also comes down to that conversation in Pulp Fiction where Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta are going on about the difference between a dog and a pig. You know, like it's a little bit like that because they're saying because I should explain it better Like a fish, I've caught plenty of fish, right, and I've harvested plenty of fish and I've never, ever had the same feelings internally as when I've shot my first fallow deer and continue to shoot fallow deer. Like, when you shoot those animals, you pay them a lot more respect and it gets you a bit weird. It's hard to explain, but that's your emotions, not theirs.
Speaker 2:That is, yes, true. But you get some hunters that just blaze away and just drop 20 fallow and don't really matter about it. So there's a lot of vagrancies around. Who does the shooting? And you say that hunters are more humane than the fishers. Well, I would say that across the fishers and the hunters, the demographic is the same.
Speaker 2:You've got people that in the fishing world which will wet their hands, get the fish icky, spike it. Why you wet your hands before you icky spike it, I don't know, because you're killing it anyway. But if you're releasing fish, fish wet your hands, most definitely, um, but but more and more there is a, there is a propensity to icky spike your fish. Even squid, like squid, are basically blow flies of the ocean, um, but people are going out of their way to. You know, net them gently, put them on the thing and icky spike them. Or there's a little bit of a technique where you can give them a bit of a chop suey and they all go white. They're instantly dead. What's an icky spike? Icky spike is a Japanese term for a particular special spike and there's a certain spot to spike a fish in its brain. It's very popular with snapper, it's very popular with all eating fish because it relaxes those fish and it starts the process of rigor mortis I suppose for want of a better term as soon as you kill them. The quicker they go, the more humanely that they're killed and they're going to go through that rigor mortis process. People don't sort of realise and I'm sure your listeners would that you know meat is better when it is on the other side of that rigor mortis Relaxing. Relaxing, that's exactly right is on the other side of that rigging. Relaxing, that's exactly right. But I mean, back in the day, you're exactly right.
Speaker 2:You've probably experienced people that go and catch a heap of fish and they throw them on the deck and they're flip-flopping around. You know they're basically suffocating Terrible. We all did it. We all did it. Some still do it. But that's all part of the stewardship, of teaching people that you can do it, and I don't tell people it's right or wrong. I tell people well, this is the way you do it nowadays because of this, this and this. They can take those learnings and chuck them in the bin or they can go. You know what. That's a fair point. Maybe when I catch a fish, I either, and with tuna, for example, there's a program that's massively successful called Tuna Champions. So in the past you catch a tuna, bluefin tuna, dump it on the deck, just lays on the deck all day, flapping away, probably dies very slowly nowadays. But much different.
Speaker 2:We've got the process where you have got the little knife, where you get them on board, um, you can icky spike them icky, jimmy is the full term and then you get your little knife and just behind the um fin you sneak them. It only has to be that four mil, five mil, uh, just behind the pictorial fin and they bleed out absolutely sensationally. Um, and then you can put them in an ice slurry and you've got the maximum amount of flesh. Uh, that's good to harvest. And there's all sorts of videos on how to harvest those fish to get the best return. As I've seen, with a lot of deer and a lot of game, it's an ever-increasing thing because we're coming under the microscope and we have to be able to say well, no, hang on. Well, that's fair that you've got that opinion, but then share what we're doing and again, they can take that information and do what they want with it.
Speaker 2:What about live baiting? Live baiting is an interesting one and it's come from. You know where do you go Like you've got worms, frogs, frogs have been banned, I get it. And this comes back to the Pulp Fiction thing Worm, no one gets two poos about, but a frog, that's a cute animal. So that's the Pulp Fiction thing. And so the cuter the animal, the more people feel about it.
Speaker 2:Some of these fish that we use as live baits are very readily available. They're in massive numbers. Like a potty mullet. Like a potty mullet is a great live bait. Little, tiny juvenile Australian salmon. They make great live baits.
Speaker 2:It's just part of the process and it's just a little bit like attitudes change. There may well be a time when we're not allowed a live bait. In the same way, people used to go to the Northern Territory and the list would be pigs, buffalo and believe it or not, wedge-tailed eagles. Now, when's the last time that someone came back saying they just shot a trophy wedge-tailed eagle? For a long, long time.
Speaker 2:So so that transition of people's attitudes may come um, and it just depends on how well we stick up for our uh rights and how much science we use, because we can't operate on a belief system. I believe it's fine. Well, if it's actually scientifically proven that that animal is suffering to that degree. But if science can prove that it's not, then live baiting is fine for me, and at the minute, fish are an animal. That science has said that the pain receptors are far different, and so the analogy while it was a good one, of the lamb tied to the stake enticing a lion, is a live bait situation probably a little bit different than what's going on out there in the ocean.
Speaker 3:What about you, Dylan? As a lure man, Do you use much bait? Live bait, Like, not really like, not really use much bait live bait.
Speaker 1:Oh, like, not really, like not really any live bait, like freshwater, like on all lures, like very early season I might do a little bit with worms and stuff like that, but like trout-wise, basically like it'd be, 99.9% of my fishing is with lures, like I don't know. Like I know everyone's going to have their own specific opinion, but I believe as long as you know you are doing the best that you possibly can, so like say you're going to release fish, you know you wet your hands, you're like leave it in the water, then you like quickly get up, get a photo, then put it back in, like give the fish time to actually properly revive. You know you're not just like, oh yeah, there it is, throw it away straight away. As long as you're trying to do the best that you can, I mean like that's, at the end of the day, that's all we can really do like try to do the best that we can for the sport that we love.
Speaker 3:I had this conversation with the Fly Fish Show and it was the fur versus fin conversation and I can't remember where I was going to go with that. No, I forgot what I was trying to thought. But we're talking about catch and release and the comment was even if we release a fish that's had a hook in it, you can never release a deer you've shot. We might release one that's 10% wounded that'll heal over time, or we lose a fish and the line snaps and it's got a hook in its mouth and it runs away. Answer that question how long does a hook last in the saltwater in a fish? Not long.
Speaker 2:It depends on what it's made out of, but even a stainless steel hook will disintegrate. The ocean is a fairly harsh environment. Stainless hook doesn't mean that it's going to last forever. It's just stainless so rusts less. But when you find those marlin competitions where they tag a lot of fish, they'll use a high carbon steel or high something steel and that will rust a little bit. But also in saying that fish are fairly hardy animals, they're a fairly basic sort of a species. We've caught fish that have had particularly mako sharks. We've caught fish that have got hooks in them that were probably in them for a month or so and they're just swimming around like it's just some sort of jewellery.
Speaker 3:It doesn't seem like infection's an issue either, because they're inside.
Speaker 2:No, not at all and you know there are some issues around being gut-hooked and that sort of thing, and you make the judgement call when you've got a fish and if it's gut-hooked and you know enough about biology of animals to go oh, that's a bit irresponsible to release that fish. And so in game fishing competitions, some people not us, but some people might tag that fish, throw it out of sight know full well that that's not going to be an animal or a fish that survives and they'll write it down on their score. But I would say the lion's share and I would hope to say the lion's share if people make those really good judgment calls. There's a bit of a cool thing going about. It's not something I do, but people that take a photo when they pull the fish out of the water they'll hold their breath, and so they'll hold their breath, and when they're getting discomfort they'll put the fish back in the water. If they haven't got quite the photo that they want, then they'll go again. I think that's a good idea, because I've seen people hold fish out of the water for just a ridiculously long time to get that good photo. So it is coming.
Speaker 2:But I mean I think we are doing a lot of things both hunters and also fishers to regulate ourselves. But we must remember that those people that are, you know, facebook fans of PETA or PETA or whatever they are unfortunately, even disturbingly, the RSPCA. You just won't be able to break bread with those people. They are completely the wrong side of the discussion. I like to have a moving pendulum and find the middle ground in most situations, but their pendulums are just TIG welded to one side and you won't move them. These people are talking about shearing, banning shearing and these sorts of things. It's just, you will not break bread with those people.
Speaker 3:It's pretty outrageous. The main one that's causing us ripples at the moment is Georgie Purcell. She's the AJP Animal Justice Party in Victoria. One that's causing us ripples at the moment is georgie purcell. She's um the ajp animal justice party in victoria. She always wears purple, dresses in purple and that's her favorite color and whatnot. But yeah, she's uh stirring up things, especially in the bow hunting.
Speaker 3:South australia is, just, you know, banned bow hunting effective in december this year. It's just, yeah, it's dangerous, dangerous path. And just before I could keep going on that point specifically. It bugs me and I've been doing a lot of work with this as american not-for-profit organization called blood origins, which are more so in the hunting side of things. But there's a petition going around that you know to get it reviewed it needs a certain amount of signatures and I can't remember how many it's up to. I I want to say 5,000 or 6,000. But there's a sense that, hey, this is happening in South Australia. I kind of live in Brisbane, you know. I don't see that as an issue that affects me. It's just, it's the canary at the end of the tunnel, it's the rosebush at the end of the vineyard. It's going to happen. It's just going to if they can get it to fall there it will just keep falling across the states Once one state proves it can do it.
Speaker 3:And I fear that, and I hope you don't see my fishing questions as anti-questions. They're just, you know, provoking and stirring ones. But I fear that if they did go down and say, hey, we're going to ban live baiting, and there'll be people in the fishing community that are like oh, okay like, yeah, I don't live bait Doesn't really affect me specifically, and not fight against it.
Speaker 2:This is the thing that and it's just a domino. Yeah, it's absolutely crazy and it's a very worrying situation and, like I, hark back to the belief system we need to have a grounding in science and I know ever since Y2K in 2000, when every plane was going to fly out, drop out of the sky. That's before you were born.
Speaker 3:Dylan.
Speaker 2:Well before you were born. But back then, dylan, they said that when the clock went over from 1999 to 2000,. Everything was just going to lose its mind. Planes were going to fall out of the sky, computers were going to be running.
Speaker 3:Computers were not designed to turn over to 2000. That's what they were telling us.
Speaker 2:And so ever since then, and ever since you know some stuff in and around COVID, science has gone down a couple of pegs, but science is still science. It's all we've got and we must make some pretty good decisions.
Speaker 3:Science is only correct until another bit of science comes along and proves it wrong.
Speaker 2:Proves it wrong, true, but there's lots of checks and balances, lots of checks and balances, and that can't happen just because someone says I believe. So that's the danger in the belief system I believe, or it's my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right. But with the hunting stuff I think we're, and the fishing but I am a hunter and a shooter and I love it to death I think we're our own worst enemies, because all the people not all the people, that's a broad generalisation, but most of the people that are making a lot of noise, they don't have much else to do and we're out doing stuff Like we're doers, hunters and gatherers, fishers. We're doers, we're not sitting around looking at the next thing that we can ban, because it doesn't sit well with my beliefs, and we let them do it. And so they get on facebook and we're not interested in the fight. Some are, but but but they say there's a waste of time. I think there comes a time when we must stand and say nah, hang on, woo, we've had a gutful. And the only way that we're going to be able to say that stringently is some scientific stuff not necessarily science, but studies to prove otherwise.
Speaker 2:Because I see a lot of these wilderness society and a lot of these environmental things. They jump up, they pop out of anywhere and they've got like Facebook followers of 2,000. All of a sudden they're 10,000 strong and what they put on their pages is shaped and it's diatribe and a lot of it is not just shape, it's miss, it's just not fat. We see it a great deal and then all of a sudden they've got the hearts and minds of all the people in the cities. You look at the population where everyone lives. As soon as those people that know nothing of our lifestyle or the way we've grown up or our grandfather's lifestyles, they just tick a box and go yep, I believe that's wrong and don't go. They don't even want to ask about the history of it or the intent or how we go about it. It's just a blatant wrong. And that signature thing is ridiculous. It's so dangerous they don't care. They just sign it and off it goes. I've got ten thousands.
Speaker 3:Well, it doesn't carry any weight with me, um, and it's disappointing that carries any weight well, no, the the signature thing is actually us trying to get signatures, because once it gets above a certain point it actually has to be presented to parliament like they have to ignore it, or they ignore it until it gets to a certain level of signatures, then it has to be talked about like it can't be avoided. So that that's what we're trying to achieve.
Speaker 2:Ah, now will you but what I'll say about that?
Speaker 1:yeah, but anyone can start, that's just and you walk around, you're like do you want to?
Speaker 3:you know, save starving children in africa, and then everyone will sign that, of course, around and you're like do you want to? You know, save starving children in Africa, and everyone will sign that, of course. But what you're doing is signing something that's got a little bit to do with that and a lot of it to do with other things, but that's what they use it for.
Speaker 2:The biggest thing we can do as hunters and fishers and people that are of the country and a bit more rural is pay more attention to politics. And a bit more rural is pay more attention to politics, and I know that is like a cross to a vampire or garlic to a vampire. But we must get people in the positions that support us. That's what government's all about, and we just ignore it until it's a problem and then we grizzle about it at the end. But if we don't put people in roles that are in positions of power to say no, hang on, woo, then we're wasting our time.
Speaker 2:You might as well go to the gun cupboard right now, unlock it and toss your guns out or toss your fishing rods out, because if we don't get in, and even if it means local government, if it means your state government and federal government, we must have a voice, and at the moment our voice is watered down horribly. Everyone's swinging and I'm not a card-carrying loony Nazi, I'm the middle, but the pendulum has swung so far the other way that all the people that are the middle are labelled, as you know, card-carrying Klansmen, and it's just wrong. It's very disappointing.
Speaker 3:You said before that, you know, hunters are our own worst enemy and things. Do you see it, dylan, especially online with your presence, that and I want to just focus on Tasmania, the different factions of the fishing community, bicker, or? Or is there like a communal support because we, we get it, we get, uh, you know, bow hunting versus rifle hunting, dog hunting. Everyone's like oh, I don't like them because they do this and I don't like.
Speaker 1:And then, instead of a you know, jump around each other and lift everyone up together oh, like I I don't think so, like I don't think it's as bad as like that sounds, like I think relatively everyone in fishing communities you know relatively, you know supporting because like that's a thing where, like, say you, you know you go hunting and you know you only use rifles, you only use bows, or something that's sort of you know, that's sort of you know that's sort of you, where, like a lot of people in Tasmania, you know like they'll, throughout summer, they'll fish for saltwater because it's warmer and then trout season will open, or you know the weather will get colder and they'll go trout fishing and it's like most, so there's a higher number of people that are touching all of the factions instead of separate communities.
Speaker 1:Recently in our podcast that we've just started. Like, so August is the start of trout season in Tasmania. Like we have just had reports after reports after reports on trout, where it's like, as soon as it gets to summer, like trout are a cold water, like they move a lot, they're a lot more active in cold water, like as soon as it gets to summer, it'll just be the complete opposite way, it'll just be salt water, salt water, salt water, salt water.
Speaker 1:So I think and you think those reports will be coming from the same people yeah, like I think, because they're fishing both yeah, like I think in the fishing sort of industry, sort of your question sort of contradicts itself in the sense that people, yeah, they go fishing, but they do everything Because it's like, for instance, say, you go hunting in New South Wales or something, and I don't know enough about hunting that I'm just going to use a broad spectrum.
Speaker 1:I'm just waiting for this analogy and you see the hunting in northern territory and you think that's it, like I want to do that, but you know you. So you wait and you wait, and you wait and you and then you finally you know you get money or whatever and you go and do it. It's the same thing here. It's like you know you're sitting here and you're you see photos of tuna and stuff like that and you're like what am I going trout fishing for? I'm going to go chase tuna because Tassie's so small. It's like I'm two hours from the east coast where I can go chase tuna and I'm two hours from the west coast where I can go chase you know huge trout, like it's small enough that like if you see a photo of a fish in Tasmania you of fish in Tasmania you can drive three hours and get to it and fish it in the weekend. I think people just genuinely do.
Speaker 3:You know everything in Tassie that they can. One of the main reasons I ask is I've got one mate who just all he uses is bait casters and I just I think the worst thing about owning a bait caster is telling your parents that you're gay and I just I can't support him in his fishing journey because I can't work out how to use the damn things. Where do you live South of Sydney?
Speaker 2:I think you've just ostracised most of the south of the city.
Speaker 3:Lucky, I don't roll in the fishing circles. No, look, it was a light-hearted joke.
Speaker 2:I know that and I'm the same too. Bait casters to me like in Tassie, we're all egg beaters Bait casters are just a complexity that we don't really.
Speaker 3:In saying that I just used one up in Darwin and it never got tangled and I had no idea what I was doing. Well, they've got a lot of technology.
Speaker 2:Now They've actually got magnets in them that you can. I think they've had it for a while, but not the ones I've been buying and you can really regulate that over spool.
Speaker 3:That's what this guy said.
Speaker 2:He said don't touch the things on the side please. So that's my yeah, don't touch it. He's probably got it tuned and what you do is you want it to fall down really, really slow. But if you've got someone who's got a few skills, it'll drop down a bit quicker. But if it freeze, falls down, that's bad news. But I think you've hit the nail on the head, Dylan. A lot of people in Tassie do do everything. But there are some areas like the game fishermen. They've got big egos, you know. They've got big boats. They're all trying to outdo each other in what extra kit they've got on their 300 series. Oh, you've got a patrol. You're a mess. Oh, you've only got a seven-metre boat. We've got an eight-and-a-half-metre boat. So there's all that sort of stuff. But that's the same in life. I'm sure it's the same in life. I'm sure it's the same with most sports. And then the brim fishermen well, they're a breed under their own. They're quite interesting units. The brim fishermen, the trout guys, they're all.
Speaker 3:And there's all crossovers.
Speaker 2:It's like everything. The trout fishers they're all sold to the earth. They do a bit of brim fishing, they do a bit of estuary fishing. The game fishermen love going fishing for trout. So yeah, it's a pretty good mix, but there are some little niggles that people you know like to do.
Speaker 3:I want to get back to this question in a second, but early on, Dylan, you mentioned bass and I've watched a bit of American things, but they had their lure over there where it was like a series of attractants and then, like it looked like a I don't know fishing basket on the side not fishing a clothesline basket.
Speaker 2:Oh, the spinnerbaits. They're a spinnerbait thing with a hooker.
Speaker 3:It's huge and it's got heaps of attractants and things and they got banned in most of their competitions and things because they were so effective.
Speaker 1:I know exactly what you're. I can't, but yeah, like I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:Well, my question is is it legal here, no, not legal here, I wouldn't think. Well, they're like a mini teaser. So with Marlin you've got that big thing, crossovers, and you've got all these little tinsel fish. It's just like a mini version of that.
Speaker 3:Now we see videos because they've got the camera hooked up to the teasers and you can see the fish playing with the.
Speaker 2:you know, yeah, they come in and they slap them and try and eat them. Dylan's off there trying to find them.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to find it.
Speaker 3:No, that's all right. You do some background there, Dylan, our producer.
Speaker 2:I'm keen to hear what calibres you're rocking in your gun. Safe Dodge.
Speaker 3:I've got it sitting here right next to me.
Speaker 2:Hang on First of all, how many guns have you got in your gun?
Speaker 3:So I'll answer that with this story and I don't know if I've told this on air it was at a shot show in Sydney.
Speaker 3:How long ago I might have been at that one Channel 7, early days I actually did the skinning and butchery demos at most of the shot shows, the skinning and butchery demos at most of the shot shows. So I did Sydney, brisbane, melbourne, perth oh nice, where was the other one, auckland? We went over there one year, so I've been at a lot of them for a lot of years. But I was working on a booth. Eagle Eye Hunting Gear, channel 7 were poking around trying to they sell Max boxes and a few other shooting rest. But channel seven were poking stories, you know, like trying to, trying to I wouldn't say get a positive story out of everyone, they were trying to get a negative spin out of the show.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the interviewer came up and she said you know I'm such and such from such and such and your name this was off camera. She said I just want to ask you how many guns you've got. And I said, oh, I've got nine. And she just went, click, click, get the camera, bring it over. And anyway, they set up and they said, yeah, I'm here at the double s double shot show in sydney and I'm here with dodge, and I've just got a question for you, dodge. You know what do you think of the show and whatnot, and how many guns do you have? I said I I've got nine. She goes. And why do you need nine guns? And I just looked at the cameraman, like above his camera, and I said do you play golf, mate? And he nodded. I said do you just?
Speaker 2:use a putter, or do you use a driver or a wedge?
Speaker 3:Anyway, she just went cut and then they walked away and there was no story.
Speaker 2:I never made it to TV. I'll tell you what. That's a good response. I've never actually thought of it. I heard it somewhere else that I'll claim it as my own. You hit the nail on the head. Same thing with fishing rods.
Speaker 3:Everyone's got 200 of them. Well, I don't. I've got two, and neither of them work. I reckon they're broken. Actually, I've got a missing section in the 22 magnum. Uh, I've got a 17 hmr it's not mine, but it's in there from a mate and then I go up to 223. I've got a 260, a 270, and then I go, I've got a real old school 308, open side spanish mauser thing. Oh, nice, good fun, um. And then I go 30.06, 3.75, 4.16. So I don't know how many that is, but I think there's. Oh, and I got an air rifle and shotgun. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I've got too many gaps there, where was your gap?
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, technicality, the 2.60 is my wife so she won't let me use it for deer hunting. So I've got 2.3 and I don't technically own the 3006 anymore. It's still here, but it's not mine. Sold it um. And I've got the open sights 308, which I don't use for deer hunting, and I just bought the 270 not long ago and haven't put a scope on it. So my hole in the middle is I shoot deer with big guns or little guns. I either shoot my fellow with a 223 or a416 because it's really good fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, .223 is fine, but illegal in Tassie Illegal is it. Yeah, not allowed to have a .223.
Speaker 3:.243 is the smallest callow in Tassie or not allowed to use.
Speaker 2:On callow Not allowed to shoot fallow deer so .243 is the minimum callow in Tassie, yeah, so we have in New South Wales.
Speaker 3:They're called recommended minimums and very early on in my, you know, like just got my firearms licence, I went and attended a deer hunting seminar and he popped up with that. It was Andy Mallon, we're friends now. I'll get him on the show here in a couple of months' time. But he said on stage he goes. You know, it's the recommended minimum 2-2-3, sorry, 2-4-3. And I said, oh, I've only got a .223. Does that mean I can't shoot deer? And he said that a well-placed .223 shot is so much better than a poorly placed .308 shot.
Speaker 3:So he said, if you've got, a .223 and you know how to shoot it properly. That's fine, but understand that if you shoot it poorly you'll wound an animal to run away. So I do a lot of neck shots, high shoulder shots with that. I've shot them in the chest before and they haven't gone too far, but I've lost some.
Speaker 2:It's a valid point you make. I've been in and out of calibres a little bit. I've never been a shooting or hunting tragic. But I'm from Tasmania and I live in the country. I love hunting and shooting so I've copped a fair bit of flack over the years because the first ever when I was about 19 or 21, 19, 21, the boys and older dudes said we're going to go fallow deer shooting, you need to buy a centrefire, and I thought I didn't know too much. Oh, I knew a fair bit about it from reading books, but that's about it Anyway.
Speaker 2:A bloke had a 6.5 by 55 Swedish Mauser and it had a sports stock on it. It came with about 40 rounds and it was in a box. He'd made himself like a case with some terrible foam. It used to sweat in there a bit for $300. Great guy With a scope on it and I thought well, I bought that and I sighted it in and from about 150 metres I sawed it in on paper and then there was a native hen. You're not allowed to shoot them in Tasmania anymore, but at this stage it was about 150 metres, aimed dead on, and it turned this thing inside out. So its skin was on there and I thought to myself that's pretty reasonable and I'd shot. It. Took me two years to shoot a fallow deer with it but I didn't pull the trigger on it either.
Speaker 2:We were on some pretty poor properties early on um. But that 6.5 by 55 was sniggered at by all my mates and a lot of people. But I found I could shoot that so accurate. It was no recoil. Um, I got really comfortable with it. I shot a lot because it was cheap to shoot at the time. I shot a lot of rounds with it at mates farms and made sure that I was comfortable with it and that was fine. And that was in an era where, you know, four or five years later everyone was on the 300 wind mag train, like everyone in Tassie was shooting fallow deers with the 300 wind mag and I'm like what, that's big, why I mean Jesus? And I used to giggle a bit because all my mates would get me to side them in and I'd think, well, why is that?
Speaker 1:And they were just I think a little bit concerned.
Speaker 2:Well, I just think they didn't like pulling like prone. I just didn't think they liked pulling the trigger. And I found out by accident, like I got a guy to go righto, that's pretty sweet there, now have a bit of a go. So we laid down and there was a bit of confusion and I thought I'd put a fresh round in. But it was just a case in there and when he pulled the trigger the flinch was insane and I just said, look, there's no wonder you're gonna have to come back down and shoot my 6.5 or triple two before you start trying it. And it was a beautiful thing. It was a seiko.
Speaker 2:He'd spent back in the day, he'd spent drug money on this thing. It was like three, $3,500 for this Seiko. It was a beautiful thing. Three shot, which I thought was a bit cheap. I could put six in the 6.5 if it was party time when we get onto a good property. But it's just crazy that people go so high in the calibres. Having said that, I've got a little bit of a hole and I don't know whether I should go 7mm 08, but what's your advice? What's your?
Speaker 3:hole. What's your top?
Speaker 2:Well, I want to go silly. I've got no reason to, but I want to go and shoot sandbags. What were you talking?
Speaker 3:What were those baits you were talking about, where you've got like realistic ones, and then you've got the what do you call them? Oh, the, the coloured, like the crazy baits. You've got like normal ones that imitate, and then you've got the fish cakes. No, no, you went higher than that. Just stupid looking lures.
Speaker 2:Oh, they look like a bloody dead galah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's what you want to do with your gun.
Speaker 2:Well, no, I've got a .22 that's a nice I've got a nice old .22 CZ like the early one that's done. No work with the hogback stock timber. I'm a real timber guy and so look, if I was going to go up and down the mountains or do a lot of shooting, I'm sure I would go. You know plastic stocks or whatever you call them.
Speaker 3:It doesn't make a difference for guys yours and my size. We're already carrying extra.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I just love timber. I grew up with timber guns. I've read Dad had a thing called the Shooter's Bible, which is an American book about that thick. It didn't have the cover on it. I read the thing from back to front. It was just black and white pictures and everything was a timber stock and there wasn't a plastic stock in there anyway. So as an agent I used to go around and I'd accidentally find those things like the early cz with the hogback uh, you know the real slender four stock and the hogback um cheek piece. Um found that, stole it for 300 bucks, I another, and so then I've got a. The only brand new one I've got is a um. It's a cz45 something, 457 in the varmint with the funny stop. That's straight up and down with the heavy barrel.
Speaker 2:Vertical pistol grip thing. Yeah, yeah, I love it. It's awesome. I've put a spastic scope on it. I really love shooting it, but I bought that to shoot foxes Never shot a fox. That was pretty wild. What was that?
Speaker 3:That was something falling off my speaker.
Speaker 2:We definitely heard that was a lot louder than your chair earlier, dylan, let's see, yeah and I've got an interesting one I found by accident, which is a Morse action in 2506. Now I don't know whether any of your listeners would have ever heard of a bloke called Bill Hamley Clark. Bill Hamley Clark was an old South Australian gunsmith who had kudos and written a book that is highly regarded on centrefires in America like very highly regarded. And I just happened to see this funny rifle at a Bothwell gun store which is in the Midlands in Tasmania, and it had a weird fiberglass stock on it. So totally out of character for me, but I just thought that's pretty cool and it had the inscription on it, bill Hamley Clark Jr and I thought that must be who someone had it made for their birthday.
Speaker 2:Turns out it's the gunsmith. Turns out he was a bit of a freak when it came to centrefires. He's built this thing back in the day and accidentally found out that he'd shot two lions in Australia. So some lions escaped from the South Australian zoo at the time and the cops who were all freaking out rang him and he shot two on the run with this. It looked like a pump action with Brentke slugs in it. From it's on video. You can search it on YouTube and it actually shows the lion dragon, the trainer, that the lions ate. The night before and they woke up couldn't find the lions the trainer was missing. And it's on YouTube black and white. All the cops are there with their 303 still in the lines. The trainer was missing. And it's on YouTube black and white All the cops are there with their 303 still in the paper. And it's just crazy. I've heard that story. It's crazy, oh, it's crazy, and I've got one of his guns and I'm going to put a timber stock on it because the fibreglass stock is heinous.
Speaker 3:It's just disgusting For those that are listening. Dylan is still here. He's just formulating his answer on what he likes about the 25-06.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do?
Speaker 1:you think about the 25-06, Dylan. Look, a nice range of numbers 25-06. Yeah, 25 and 6 are good numbers.
Speaker 3:If you subtract 6 from 25, you get your age.
Speaker 1:No, you don't, it's 19. I'm a year older what's the lure called?
Speaker 3:uh.
Speaker 1:So I've just researched yep, the umbrella rig or the alabama rig, so pretty much it's like um, just like, literally you got one bit of wire, then you got like six bits coming off and they've all got like their own certain hook on them and they just run like plastics on it and like they're like seriously crazy, like they've got like little metal blades in it. So it's just like a school of fish swimming past and I was interested so I did some research and they are illegal in Tassie. You're only allowed two lures on one lawn so you can make your own. It's just got to have two lures on it.
Speaker 3:Can the others be teasers? Why is the balloon coming off? All these?
Speaker 1:screeches Because you put the peace.
Speaker 3:Sign up and you're on your phone. What happened there?
Speaker 1:This happened on a for those that are listening.
Speaker 3:What's happened is Dylan's just given us the peace sign and, because he's filming on his phone, his camera's recognised that he's celebrating Baitcast today and has put some balloons up for him. That is awesome.
Speaker 2:When you learn something every day.
Speaker 1:I was looking at it. I'm like am I okay? Am I falling asleep? Yeah, that is out there. Oh well, I went from being poor. Where were we?
Speaker 3:25.6.
Speaker 2:Kelly what's the noise? That's my daughter going to get me a drink? Oh right, water. Yeah right, it's a weeknight. No see, I'll get her to put a little tablet of something in it because since I've had this gastric sleeve operation, you need to take in a fair few minerals and bits and pieces that you don't get through your food.
Speaker 1:Get some cellulose. That's it. Where's the balloons? Look at him.
Speaker 3:He's like a kid in a candy shop, but he is a kid anyway, right. So question time I put it out to the boys today that had you guys coming on. But he's a kid anyway, right. So question time I put it out to the boys today that had you guys coming on. Now there's 19 questions in this, one question from Josh, who is a friend of mine, who really only shoots pigs in State Forest, but he does well in it Short questions, so we answer them real quick.
Speaker 3:They are short questions, but I'm just going to like dump them all. No, righto.
Speaker 1:Best time of day to catch trout. You want me.
Speaker 2:Falling light or rising light? Okay, falling light or rising light.
Speaker 3:And this is hard bodies or plastics. I'm a hard bodies man hard bodies depends on depends on you this was his turn to answer. Who sorry?
Speaker 1:yeah, exactly, it depends on your area, like if I'm fishing a rocky area. I love to fish hard bodies because I find if you get a good hard body that vibrates really well and you fish it over rocks, that vibrator will go off a lot more wider than you know. Just a soft plastic with no rattle, but like weeds and reeds and all like seagrass stuff like that, probably more plastic. They absorb the vibration. They've each got their own space. But if I had to pick one to fish with for the rest of my life, it would definitely be a hard body, righto own space. But if I had to pick one to fish, with for the rest of my life.
Speaker 3:It would definitely be a hard body right and lure technique.
Speaker 2:Hooch for uh trap I'll do one for kids. If you take kids trout fishing and use soft plastics, the speed that they wind them in when you tell them not to wind at all, that speed that kids will wind is perfect speed for trout because kids never, when they cast something out, they must bring it back in. So they'll cast it out and you just turn around and you look at them and you say, now don't you wind that in and deliberately look away from them and ignore them. And the kids will. They'll be winding it in and they'll be seeing if dad's looking and that's the perfect speed to catch a trout.
Speaker 3:Right Fishing upstream or downstream.
Speaker 1:Always.
Speaker 3:Oh like if. I'm ever fishing. Are you casting up or casting? Yeah, casting up I will like, not Like.
Speaker 1:I will try to avoid it for the life of me. Casting downstream, like some stages, obviously it's all right, like if the water's moving slow, if you're trying to fall, like if you're fishing relatively fast water, like just casting downstream, it's just not going to work. Like your lure is not going to swim, right, it's not going to look realistic because you've got a little tiny lure that's jumping out of the water swimming up against vast currents. So like upstream, pretty much only for me anyway.
Speaker 3:Righto Hooch Target area in the river. What am I looking for?
Speaker 2:Water coming in, whether it be a little stream or even water running off a paddock, More often than not in fresh water. That fresh water if you've had a fresh rain will be bringing food in um. The trout will just be sitting waiting for it. They're fairly lazy. They'll be in behind a rock or be in under a bank, and that's another reason why dylan will be casting upstream, because you're trying to cast upstream and bring your um bait or lure down and they'll be just there waiting to ambush it rightio, I think we covered this how to handle them once you've caught them yep pretty much break the neck and put them in the esky if you're going to release, I was
Speaker 3:going to go with wet hands if you're going to release trout.
Speaker 1:Wet your hands, try and that's actually.
Speaker 1:I've never heard anyone say what hooch said earlier on about like as soon as you pull the fish out of the water, like take a breath, and as soon as you feel like you're about to die, put the fish back in. That's something I've never actually heard being said before. That's actually like really good information, because, especially with like a camera or something like that, it's easy to quickly forget. You go oh, you get a good one, get a good one, and then the fish slips out of your hand and you pick it back up and then it's like oh, yeah, get a good one, and then a minute's passed. That's like if you're trying to breathe, well, unless you're a very good at holding your breath.
Speaker 1:You're probably struggling.
Speaker 3:No, it's a bit vague on this one Key things to look for to find the fish and I think we covered that with you know water coming in, but if you haven't got any water coming in, are you looking for? Uh, still water, moving water, eddies off the side, uh, swirling water?
Speaker 1:um, you go deal, you go like like, um, like, if we're talking, if we're talking, it's got to be differently. We're talking lakes. You're mainly looking for structure, like. One thing with fishing lakes that's really handy is look at which way the wind's blowing, because you'll get your big lakes and it'll blow straight Like, say, it's been blowing southerly, southerly, southerly, so that shore on the southern side is going to have all like so much food and like everything pushed up on it. Like, yeah, it's harder to fish because you've got the wind coming behind you. You've got to try and stay away from the shore, but I can guarantee you you will find so much more fish on that bank that is getting hammered by the wind and it's rocky You're both shaking and stuff like that than what you would just going up the calm and fishing, nice and calm, but on rivers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3:That's a good point, because people think lakes don't have current, but essentially the wind is doing it minutely. Yeah, the wind is the current and we don't even current, but essentially the wind is doing it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the wind is current, yeah, and we don't even. Yeah, we don't even. And, um, like it's interesting too, like I'll watch the weather before I'm even. Like the days before I'm fishing there, like some of the really big lakes in tassie like, say, it blows like you know, like the same way for the last three days, and then it changes the day that you're fishing, a lot of people will go to the bank that you are actually fishing but not realize that a lot of the food's already been flown to another shore so there's still fish that are actively feeding on that shore, because you know there's been so much food pushed down there recently. Um, but like in rivers and stuff like that, you know any like underground sort of banks where the banks you can see that the banks like sort of come out like or trees covering the water, just trying to get into as much structure as you can without getting snagged or casting into a tree.
Speaker 3:Righto, and last one on this section for you, hooch, because I know you've done a fair bit of sport fishing. If you want to taxidermy of fish or get one mounted in that capacity. If we're talking trout versus sport fish, I know it's a sport fish now they're usually just using measurements and molds, but with the trout are they doing the same, or we, you know, is there still guys doing skin molds? Uh, skin mounts and things.
Speaker 2:Depends on what you want to do and how much you want to pay, but yeah, they'll do anything you want. Really, those guys that are taxidermists are pretty freaky when it comes to art and how they want to go about it. Some of the bigger moulds with the sports mounts they've got enough moulds they've done over the years that they can tell people you know this off a measurement and they'll do a mould off a fish they've already caught, but some people would like to tick that box and get the actual fish done, which is a fair bit of work, so it's, principally, much of a muchness. I remember, though, going back to hunting the first ever deer I had mounted looked like they'd stretched the skin over a gumboot full of plaster of Paris, and now they're just amazing, like the last deer I had done the veins in the neck and the eyes and the whiskers. It's just like chalk and cheese.
Speaker 1:Who did that last one for you?
Speaker 2:I can't remember his name. There's not many down there, but he was in Westbury. He's got a big shed in Westbury and he's very. He was a short fella dark hair, sorry, hagley Hagley.
Speaker 3:It's an art form and I think they're all a little bit like to be a taxidermist and spend your life hanging around dead animals. I think it's a bit like being a chef. You've got to be a little bit different because you know you.
Speaker 3:Just I don't know on the fishing side of it, like, um, I've got some more questions for you around horror stories, but one of my better fishing stories ever was I had absolutely no idea what I was doing. I had bought a fishing license about 15 minutes before going down to this bit of water. I was at Mallacoota, which you mentioned earlier, hooch, and right off the point there just below there's like a little bench chair. We were camping there at the Caribbean Park, right down the bottom. I had three fishing rods because I was productive by myself and I baited them all up with a little bit of prawn. I threw one in and then put it under that foot, and then I was getting the rod on and I baited them all up with a little bit of prawn. I threw one in and then put it under that foot, and then I was getting the other one ready. I threw that one in and put that under that foot and then, as I was getting the other one ready, the one on my left foot just got taken out of my foot. I was like, oh, I've got a decent fish. I thought I'll get that in a second and in my corner of my eye I saw this fishing rod start to disappear and head out the water.
Speaker 3:I end up I catch a quarter 40 centimeter brim, which I didn't know is a pretty damn good brim. Yeah, it's a massive brim. Well, I didn't know that and I also didn't know that they're freaking old, like the age of a 26 year old brim apparently is I can't remember what the answer was now, but like 20 plus years old or something. To get to that 14 years or something. It took a long time to get to that size. I I felt a bit bad for killing it, but it tasted okay, but I wanted to get it mounted and once I found out it was a good one, but I'd already eaten it. So I rang this guy called Anthony Valley Taxidermy in Melbourne and he said how big was it? I said 40. And he said did you measure it? I said yeah, was it? I said 40 and he said did you measure it? I said yeah, it was 39.5, but we, we round up and he said, oh, it's fine. He said I've got a mold for every centimeter from 35 to like 45, um.
Speaker 3:So, like you're saying, he's already got them pre-done and you just put the order in for whatever size and I never got it done because it was the same price as getting a fallow deer mounted, and personally I probably thought that was a little bit too expensive, considering it's fibreglass mould that he then paints. But you know, I don't know what it takes to paint a mould either. I'm not doing it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it takes a little bit. They airbrush it and they go and then they'll finish it off by hand with a little bit of extra dexterity and art form. But it's not like a punch them out thing, but it is a little bit better than the skin malt. Now with taxidermy and animals that have been presented, do you know where the most impressive taxidermy collection pre-1940s was? In the Southern Hemisphere?
Speaker 3:I feel like it's a Tasmanian answer, but no, I don't know, Corn Hall.
Speaker 2:Corn Hall, tasmania. And so Corn Hall was this massive property in the Midlands, and I've never seen it or been there, but legend says that the great-grandson of the people that well, that's probably great-great-grandson of the last owners that were naming rights to that their young son in his 20s about your age, dylan would travel the world just shooting everything, and there's even some animals in there that weren't even discovered. And this is fair dinkum. He's got some animals named after him because he bought them back and people had not seen them before, and so that might be worth a little bit of an interesting story for me to follow up on.
Speaker 3:Yeah, send me the details of that. Yeah, Cornhorn.
Speaker 2:It's spelt Q-U-O-R-N, and now it's one of the premier fallow deer shooting properties in Tasmania, and also it's like in the middle, at the back of Campbelltown, the middle of Tasmania, and back in the 40s it used to have its own racetrack as well. So it's pretty interesting. You did just say Campbelltown, didn't you? Campbelltown.
Speaker 3:Okay, so we have a Campbelltown near where I live and it's not where you'd want to go to see. No, no, I've heard that we're running a bit long on time, but there's a story I wanted to tell tonight and the only reason I got you on none of this has been relevant was to tell this one story. But I'll get to that because I want you to feed into it. I had a horror story recently. It's a fishing-related one and I can't tell it without it being a fishing-related. So I want to ask you about any horror stories.
Speaker 1:I feel like dylan spent most of his life on shore. Have you done much boating stuff and had any like boating related bad stories? Yeah, I've, I've. I've had one smart one, sure, who just had a few. Um, I've, I've got like a 4.2 meditini that I run all of my lakes and stuff like that out of.
Speaker 1:And um, was that lake echo, which is a lake in the central highlands of Tassie that cuts up relatively bad, and me and a couple of mates were up there camping and we decided, no, we're going to go back and I came in, put the boat up, pulled it up, tied it up and the wind was blowing directly across from the boat ramp and I was about probably a kilometre walk from the patrol because there wasn't really any campsites close, not because of people, just because of not much access. So we sort of went a bit further and I walked there and I got back and then when I got back, my boat was probably about 50 meters from shore, just floating directly across the other way. And um, yeah, we, long story short, no one else there had a boat and some random person had to come with a boat and it was literally like just getting on dark that we actually got across to the other side and we saw it on the other side of the other side of the lake, and then, like I had to like jump out this is like probably about a three, four, five degree day and I've had to like jump into the lake, like pull my boat out, because it was like on on the on the land. I'd like pull it out, twist it off and then get, get back over the other side. But yeah, that was, that was probably about the dumbest thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1:Um, so now, whenever I put my.
Speaker 3:Did you regret not learning how to tie knots when you were at Scouts? Was it tied? To a branch, or what happened, what made it cut loose?
Speaker 1:I just genuinely, I don't even I pulled it up, I tied it and then I just came back and I don't even know. I didn't really look at the rope that well until I got back. I don't know whether it just like teared a little bit or and snapped or. Yeah, it's just horrors, just dumb decision.
Speaker 3:It's a long day. At least you had reception to ring someone. Yeah, yeah, go on. Who to tell us your worst one?
Speaker 2:one. Well, I've had a few bum-puckering moments at sea, but this story isn't my story, but every time this chap tells it it affects me. I get goosebumps when he tells it. So you might not have heard of him, but Michael Newell and Matt Newell, they were on a cooking show many years ago as a father and son team and he now is on a radio station down here in Hobart.
Speaker 2:Mick Newell, he in a previous life was an abalone diver and they used to dive around Whale Head, which is quite south, and they were coming back from an area which was, I think, they were diving in and around Pedra Branca, which is the last stop before New Zealand pretty much, and they were diving and there's a big pinnacle comes up, they're heading back and they've got these two big Azabalani divers. They're all two Bob layers. They've got this catamaran with these two big, powerful motors and they go on full noise and they used to have a bar or some sort of a system in which this bar would steer both motors, so you'd only have the hydraulic steering on the one motor and the bar would do the work. That, of course, puts a lot of load on that, that junction, and and I think that broke or something happened and both motors went instant hard left or hard right, I can't remember but of course that that action of those motors, while they're going one way, threw them both out of the water. They're like eight nautical miles from anywhere and they took off without them. No time to get. Um, you know, I'd imagine, because it was a boat over seven meters, no life jackets, had the wetsuits on. You know, they were young and bulletproof.
Speaker 2:Um, and the boat's just heading off and and the mate that he was with was, you know, it wasn't long, and they were crying and saying their goodbyes and this was it. And then they noticed that the catamaran just started to come back around and do this slow circle and then, by some freak bit of fate, it came back on the same sort of apex turn and arc, and one of them decided that they would try to climb up on this thing I can't remember which one it was, I think it might have been Mick Clam it up and, mind you, you've got two giant human egg beaters that want to just mule you to pieces at the back of the boat. And he actually managed to clamber on, picked his mate up after saying their goodbyes to the world and then jerry-rigged some steering system and made it home. And every time he tells that story given some of the bum-pucker moments I've had at sea I just get goosebumps. When he tells it it's just uncool, that's crazy, yeah, it's nuts. And he tells it really well, being a radio host and a bit of a character.
Speaker 2:Oh Crazy, yeah, it's nuts. And he tells it really well, being a radio host and a bit of a character.
Speaker 3:Oh, that was pretty well, I'll take your word for it. So I'd just come back from Darwin, I spent a couple of weeks up there and fishing's not my forte, but these clients I had. We did a buffalo trip from Texas seven days out there and then we went to Dundee Beach for a two-day fishing charter and I hadn't used this guide before. Uh, I had a booking agent that I use up there for my fishing trips and the guys I had used before were busy. I booked, so we end up with this new guide.
Speaker 3:Um, so, anyway, I had no history or didn't even know what we were walking into boat wise, and he met us at we're staying at the novatel in darwin and met him and real nice guy, young, fella, keen and steve's his name, and you know we headed out it was an hour and a half out to dundee and stay the night there and then we got up in the morning and headed out fishing and it's a. It's a horrible time for fishing at that like this was, you know, four weeks ago. Right now it's a horrible time for fishing at that like this was, you know, four weeks ago. Right now it's a terrible time for barramundi fishing. They're all there but they're just hunkered down, they're not really interested in eating or taking lures or anything.
Speaker 3:And we fished hard for two days and we come up with about eight, you know, 400 mil long, um mackle, like he'd nearly call it a donut. It was, it was. And steve tried, like you know, he did everything he could. Um we were changing spots and chasing. We went 75 k's out at one point with his open top single motor.
Speaker 3:You know the water was crystal. We had the best conditions. Uh, I'm not a. You know I get seasick on a rough tide just down at the local lake, but it was nice because it didn't affect me. But you know, we tried everything and the wife she hooked onto what we can only assume was a stingray at some point because it just ripped her and then sat there and we were chasing deweys at the time, so it wasn't one of them and it broke off. But on our way back once I said what's that?
Speaker 3:over there. Anyway, it was a sailfish fin in the middle of nowhere, just sunning itself, you know, stretching up and whatnot. So we tried and played around with that. The problem was we were going somewhere and then we saw that so it preoccupied us. We spent hours trying to get this one or two sailfish that we could see. The client hit it in the head twice with the popper. Um, like he was, he was a great fisherman and he just we were. I don't know how far he's casting, let's say 30, 40 meters. He's only like two or three mil off on his cast and he would have been further in front of it. But no, he hit it in the head twice, um, so this thing took off and he was pretty bummed about that, because he's from texas, whatever, really wanted to catch a barramundi, but he'd also never caught a billfish. So I was pretty keen to do that and that wasn't our target.
Speaker 3:That was just, you know, a bit of blue water. Anyway, we went back up one of the streams, um, it's called um innis, the innis river, big innis or something, and, sorry, we tried to go in there the previous day but, um, the the tides changed so much there that the channel that you go in on that he had marked in his gps, had moved slightly. Uh, he was following his gps and we hit, you know, with shallow water and we had to bail out of there. The tide was a bit wrong, so we didn't get in there that day. And the second day we got in, we went in earlier and, um, the deal was, once we're in, we got to stay in because the tide drops, you can't get out. Uh, so that was fine, we stayed in. We saw so many crocodiles it's just big ones, like I want to say, five meter crocs on the side of the water, just ginormous. These guys went on a croc tour and they didn't see crocs this big but getting to the point. So we'd had a pretty miserable fishing trip as far as actual catching fish.
Speaker 3:Um, and on our way out, another boat got sanded, got um, got stuck on the sand and was there for an hour or so while we were still fishing but waiting for the tide to come up. The tide come up and he got out and another boat came in and then Steve's like oh well, it's high enough now We'll be fine. And I could see that boat's wake as we were heading out, like they'd leave that line. It had been gone for a minute or so but it left this line through the water and we weren't following it. We were a little bit off. I was like I don't know what's happening. Has it drifted? And we're in the channel? Anyway, we're full steam, 40 k's an hour or something, and he hits the sand and it all threw us forward on the boat and we stopped just on the spot and you know it wasn't hard.
Speaker 3:He didn't even have to hop out, he just got us back in the channel and we kept going. Half an hour later on it was 4, 35 clock in the arbor. Half an hour later, on our way back to the ramp, and his motor just stops. No warnings, nothing stops, and he, you know, fiddled around with some things and it got started again and and then we went another little bit, but it was limping, it wasn't at full performance. And then it went another little bit, but it was limping, it wasn't at full performance, and then it stopped. It's 150, yeah, it was 150-something.
Speaker 3:Suzuki whatever, not a motor person. And that stop was a big one, that was a big bang. And he put the piston through the head and flew the engine. What colour was the engine? Silver, yamaha, probably, maybe I'll find your photo Yamaha head and flew the engine. What color was the? What color was the engine?
Speaker 1:silver yamaha, maybe.
Speaker 3:Anyway I'll find your photo yamaha yamaha what did I say, suzuki, I'm a fisher. Um, yamaha, anyway, it was pretty new. He bought it in march and we were in july. Um, anyway, not his problem, like, not his and not I shouldn't say his problem. It was all about problem. It wasn't his fault specifically and anyway he only knew that was.
Speaker 3:But I reckon we had an oil slick big enough to kill every penguin within a kilometre, like there was no fix, and we were 10km from where we needed to be. I could see it, I could see it in the distance and we were pretty calm about it. We were like, oh, what do we do? Like we. And we were pretty calm about it. We were like, oh, what do we do? Like we'll wave down a boat. Anyway, a boat went past us and we waved and didn't respond, like didn't look at us or anything. And then he was trying to fiddle around with the motor. I was like, oh, we'll just, you know he'll ring someone and you know he contacted his mate. But his mate was in Darwin, which is two hours away, and whatnot, whatnot, and it wasn't really nothing was really happening much. We've kind of just flowed. We had a trolling motor on. So we're going at 1.2 k's an hour. At six o'clock at night.
Speaker 3:I was doing that maths that was going to be dark, against the tide, and I said this is the politest way I could say it would you be offended if I did some problem solving? I thought that's a pretty fair way to say I've got an idea. But I don't want to be rude. It's your boat, it's your, you know your deal. And then you know what are you going to do, you know? I said well, I just want to ring. I just ring the pub and say next boat that comes into the ramp Cause it was high tide, everyone was coming in. Because if and next boat that comes in, you know, dinner and drinks are on us, send them out, come get us and tow us in. We'll sort it out later. Give us some time. I'm waiting for your mate to get back to us.
Speaker 3:Anyway, I've never felt stranded in life Like your car breaks down, whatever. You're. On the side of the road, you've got a phone, you get lost in the bush. I can't say I've ever really done that. But of the road, you got a phone, you get lost in the bush. I can't say I've really done that, but I've been a little bit turned around. You can always walk. If you're stranded in the ocean, you have nothing.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I had good, I had two bars of reception, um, and steve didn't have as much I think he's with vodafone or something like that but the other thing that he didn't have and there's no real good way to say it is he didn't have his antenna for his radio. He'd forgotten it so, and we've all forgotten, like I can't blame him for it. It's a big thing to forget, admittedly, and it's a safety thing and I think it's even legal, like illegal, to not have. But he'd forgotten it and he just didn't pack it. Um, he actually told me that the day before and I didn't think too much of it, but that was the main issue, because you would just radio someone you know, go out to the local channel and someone would come and get you, um, anyway.
Speaker 3:So when we saw a boat, it was just just before I was about to ring someone because I was getting a bit sick of waiting. Um, we saw a boat about a k and a half off heading to shore and we pulled a flare. Well, we said, imagine if there's somewhere we could flag it down, and we're like looking for rain jackets that are fluro or something. And he's like oh, I've got flares. Oh, okay, yeah, so we got a flare and we popped that and they come over and and towed us in. But and I sort of said, on the way back, I'm like, can I throw a lure out and we can troll, because this is trolling speed, like we don't want to waste an opportunity here.
Speaker 2:You say you're not a fisherman, but you sound like a fisherman to me. I'm just opportunistic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I just, I don't know. I've never felt as stranded as I did, in that I wasn't worried because I had reception and we're 10ks offshore and we could put an anchor down like we're not, we weren't in deep water. Um, I wasn't going to swim to shore. I could see shore too. I'm going to do that, but it's uh, there's too many crocs up there to be doing that. I don't know. It's just the only time I've really felt stuck in life in that situation. And then what didn't help was the clients I was with telling because they're fishermen back home and he was telling stories while we're sitting there, and one what could have made that story worse was we were 75ks offshore earlier that morning. Imagine if it happened out there. Yes, yeah, that's a, that's a no-go zone, that's a wait days until someone happens to go past or float to shore, hopefully.
Speaker 3:But but he told this other story of some guys were doing. They were going offshore late one Friday night and they put their boat in cruise control and they just cruised for hours all night. It would have just pulled up when they got there in the morning. They all went to bed and they were woken up at 2 o'clock in the morning by water. The boat was sunk. They hit a submerged shipping container at full tilt oh wow and just ripped the bottom of the boat off and they were sinking. They woke up in their beds in water and they floated and they got a life jacket each and that was it, that's all. They had a life jacket and they all had little PLBs or something on their thing.
Speaker 3:But that happened at two o'clock in the morning and they had to wait until I think it was 12 hours before someone got there to get them. And they had like middle of nowhere, and he said, like this is him recalling the story of his friend. But you're paddling water and you're hanging on like clipped all each other on together in a circle, six or seven of them, and you'd fall asleep from the exhaustion, from the adrenaline, and then the crash. Right, you were just wrecked. So they were falling asleep but your mate next to you would kick his leg and you'd wake up real quick because you thought you were losing yourself to a shark, yeah, but oh man, deep like I really like land and well, you can, just you can just get out and walk in any instance, but when you're in a sea, you, just you can't, you, you need rescue and I've got a pretty cool story.
Speaker 2:I know we're getting on for time, but you might have to split this to a part one and part two of this podcast, but this story it reminds me. Actually I was in a Caribbean Crest Cutter, which is an old fiberglass boat about five and a half metres, and I've done a lot of. Actually I swapped a combination gun. That I really regret. It was a Bruno. It was a Bruno combination 12 gauge.
Speaker 2:No 12 gauge on the bottom and 7x57 on the top. You should have regretted that. Oh wait, it gets worse. It was in a really nice box, the proper box, and it had a second set of barrels which was an under and over 12 gauge and I bought it originally just for breaking clays and when I used to take it breaking clays I'd go to the gun clubs and I'd drag it out. It had this interesting it wasn't a box lock, but it was an interesting way in which it locked and opened and shut. It had this wild thing going on and all the old guys were just loving it going what have you got there?
Speaker 2:And I said it's an old Brunei combination gun. I said what do you mean, combination gun? And I'd bring out the other box and show them the other barrel, which was this short stubby barrel with a bottom 12-gauge design for shooting slugs and the 7x57 Morser.
Speaker 1:I imagine A pig gun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, that's what I bought it for. I've bought three different pig guns and never gone pig shoot. It makes me furious. I had a Marlin in 45-70 lever action that I never, never Go on. Circle. Back to your story.
Speaker 2:And so I'm out with this Caribbean Crest Cutter and I'm out with Mors and we've used it off the northwest coast here. He'd come up and we'd go flathead fishing. So I had an idea of how much fuel it would use, going out to a spot fishing, rowing around looking for different spots and coming home and we were going down he lives down Hobart. We're going out of Frederick, no, we're going out of Fortish Key Bay. And so I just took what fuel? An extra fuel. And I thought, oh yeah, no worries, she'll be fine. But that trolling pace on a Caribbean Crest Cutter, on a 90CV Yamaha they use when I was only young, they use a ridiculous amount of fuel and I didn't know this. So we're out trolling and it got really rough. It already had about and this will sound strange to mainlanders, but it already had three. And this will sound strange to mainlanders, but it already had three and a half meters, three to three and a half meters of rolling southerly swell on it, which people would think why would you go fishing? But that's the tasmanian thing, that if you didn't go out, and that's where you just wouldn't go tuna fishing.
Speaker 2:So out we are and the wind starts to get up. It's 15 knots on top of three and a half meters. Not so cool. Then all of a sudden it's 20 knots Now. She's genuinely whipping the water off the surface and it's just possibly a genuine 40 knots.
Speaker 2:And I am bum-pucker and try not to show it because the two boys that I was fishing with they're townies and they would panic at the mere sight of me panicking. I said, no, she's cool, she's cool. Meanwhile I'm just going on and then I'm trying to pull the rods in because I said, no, she's time to get out of here. So my idea was to just go out on the um the track we went, turn around and come back in the bay on the track that we we left in. So I put moz on the helm, I got and and I'm reeling in the rods and the motor just cut out. Now we we're at cork and the noise on the vinyl roof was like wah, wah, and no one could hear anyone and he's yelling out going. Oh, the motor's cut down, I'm going. Oh, no, no, really has it really the motor's cut out.
Speaker 2:And so I just said to him don't yelled out, don't panic, it'll just be fuel. And I just made that up. I didn't have a clue because I thought we'd have got lots of fuel. But luckily, while I was doing this he's turned hard starved and he's gone up onto an area we were in 70 metres of water. He went up on an area that was like 45, 35 and had a reef between these two things called the Hippolytes.
Speaker 2:And when that happens, happens the sea and the wind makes just a tumultuous mess and it jacks the swell up. And all of a sudden I'm trying to get it going. I look up and I see this charter boat which is about 40 foot of charter boat. All I'm seeing is the bottom of the charter boat and he's rocking and rolling like this. And I could just tell we knew that guy and I could just tell he didn't know it was us. But he'd be saying have a look at these idiots. He'd be going and you wonder why people drown at sea.
Speaker 2:So I felt the 20-litre container and it was dead empty and I thought, oh, thank God for that. So I've swapped it over, I've pumped it a couple of times and I've yelled out to Mazda to start the engine now and of course it ran dry so it wasn't going to fire up straight away. The carbibowls were all empty and I pumped it a few times but not enough to pump the carbibowls so it wouldn't go and he starts panicking. I was nearly after going to open hand slap him if he was that bad Finally got it to go. We finally got back in under the cover of the Hippolyte Cliffs and we were high-fiving ourselves like West Indian cricketers. We'd survived and we'd only got the one fish, which was a bit of a drama, but at least we got the one.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that's more to show for it than we had for that day, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Oh, but it's not a good, even though I was putting up a lot of bravado as Skipper. You've got that extra pressure and you're like you don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3:That's, you know, been you know You've got to keep it all in here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, whereas the other two were just completely freaking out.
Speaker 3:It's like how Dylan keeps it together when you start a new story. He's just like keeping it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly, or when I start hacking on him about his tattoos Exactly About his cat tattoo.
Speaker 3:Well we've run out of time we won't get you to show your tattoos, Dylan. I really appreciate you both coming on tonight and it's been very informative. I've learned a bit. It seems like Dylan's learned a little bit about Y2K and all sorts of things. 25 and 6.
Speaker 2:And Hooch has just had a good.
Speaker 3:time 25 and 6 is 19. Good math, good work there time 25 and 6 is 19. Good math, good work, but uh, math. So, um, before we go, how do the how do the listeners find you guys got the snag podcast and snagcom, is it?
Speaker 1:yeah, so we um. So we've got uh, snag. So we've got snag podcast on youtube, which is just our podcast that's like free to access. We've also got wwwsnagcomau and that is like a paid to um watch. So we're going to be sort of doing like how-to videos and um like interviews with you know certain people that go fishing around australia and big fishing names and stuff like that and you you know a bit more information on it, like that. Plus, we're also doing like a giveaway each week with like Shimano stuff and other sort of cool fishing gear and like if you part of your membership of buying you know into is you know you get a chance. Get a chance to. We give like fishing reels and stuff like that. Like the first week we gave away shimano stella, which is worth about one and a half grand. We gave away one of them this week. It was a shimano vanted, which is about 400. So good prizes. Thanks to shimano for helping us out.
Speaker 3:So yeah, Exclusive prize, that one. I believe that was the first one in the country slash state.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they came out literally just after, like last week, they were announced. So yeah, for first in deals, that's a good deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we might be able to do a cross-promotion dodge. We're going to have a talk to Thomas and we could have a prize for your channel. Come fish with Hooch Dylan and Thomas and you can come along.
Speaker 1:I don't think that's one too hard.
Speaker 2:We could teach a few things we might do who knows, as long as we don't go offshore.
Speaker 3:I'll be checking the jerry cans. Oh, we can do whatever we anyone, but uh I was saying to dylan before we started uh, tasman is the only state I haven't actually been to, and the wife we're only talking about it just the other day she's been as a kid. But we want to go back and take the family down and we're looking at february next year. So I'll uh, I'll be hitting you boys up for some daddy daycare time where I'll take the kids and we'll go and get some hooch special techniques.
Speaker 2:Dylan's the man on techniques. I just like to just kill fish. No.
Speaker 3:I'll take Dylan along because he'll hang out with the kids. I just like to snap necks, snap necks, no they can talk about what they're learning at preschool together. I'll get along with them. No, but can talk about what they're learning at preschool together. I'll get along with them.
Speaker 2:No, but we can tease that out, because if we can get a bit of a, if you come down then and you get a listener, you might do a three-month or a six-month prize and we can get them across to come fishing with us all and then that's good, because we can turn that around and we can go fox shooting and I'm coming yeah.
Speaker 3:I want to put my 17 HMR to work. Yeah, let's do that and we'll get you up here and we'll do some samba hunting not something I'm very well versed in, but I actually locked in a guest today and I won't mention him because people listening will try and work it out, but he's a samba guru and I'll send you the link to that episode when it comes out. I'm keen to go pig shooting. I'll shoot anything, doesn't worry me. But thanks for to that episode. When it comes out, I'm keen to go pig shooting. Well, I'll shoot anything, it doesn't worry me. It doesn't worry me.
Speaker 2:But thanks for being on boys.
Speaker 3:It's been a great night, no worries, and to everyone listening, cheers for now.
Speaker 2:Thank you Very much appreciate it. Where's the balloons?
Speaker 1:One more time. So where are the balloons?
Speaker 2:Get them, get them going. I've ruined it. Where's the?
Speaker 1:yeah, there it is. Oh, dude, look at those glutes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you guys stay there. I'll press stop, we'll be right back.