Transcript
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It's that time of year for reflection, seeing what we have done and what we want to do, Wendy leads the team in a discussion of some of our bucket list breweries, festivals and beers. We want to make sure we get to try and attend. We talk about everything from music to TV in this casual episode where we get to learn a little bit more about each.
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Other, whether your beer is in a bottle.
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can or Glass kick back and relax. It's better on draft.
00:00:36 KEN
Welcome to everybody, Episode 328 of the Better on draft podcast. My name is Ken. Thank you so.
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Much for joining.
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Us we truly appreciate it on this Friday.
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The day before the.
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Better on draft beer festival over at Jimmy John's Field. If you're listening live.
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We hope you.
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Do show up tomorrow. Say hi. We are gonna have some extra tokens to give you.
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But let's go around first of all.
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See what everybody is drinking.
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Starting with our new host officially, Dennis, welcome. What are you?
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Drinking. Hello. Hello. Happy to be here. I'm drinking. It was a present. It's the brand. This counter vice beer. And it's my first time.
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We're having it tonight and it is fantastic.
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And who brews it?
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I can't read German.
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OK, it's very, very German beer, Wendy.
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What are you drinking over there?
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Wendy, you're muted.
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I I muted everyone and forgot to unmute.
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You. There you go. Hello.
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So I picked up the Oberon Eclipse which is the new off season Oberon. I thought I'd be interested to see how it differs from regular O'Brien.
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And how does it differ?
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It is a little more citrusy than the.
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Regular oberon. I really like the cane art though, like I would actually get that as a tattoo.
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Not that I don't already have the over on face.
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The tattoo, but.
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Well, Daniel, are.
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You going to be getting?
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That tattoo of your beer and.
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What are you drinking?
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I mean, I wish I had a camera working this week. I would show you the picture on this. I've got a Beachwood Brewing mocha machine. It's an imperial coffee Porter out of Huntington Beach and 6th medal winner between GBF and World Beer Cup. It's actually pretty.
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Well, I'm sure we'll be talking a lot about GBF World Beer Cup for our topic today, but first, let's go over what I am drinking. I have got a beautiful 4 elf from Dark Horse Brewing. It is in a bottle. So that's how old it is. Many, many years old. And of course, RIP.
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I hope so.
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The original milkshake stout from Rochester Mills Beer company.
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I mean our IP in a can let's be real.
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I I I still have so many cases left of that beer. I don't know when I'll get through it, but I know I will get through it for sure it.
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Is also the.
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Winter Time Milkshake Stout seasonals the 12 days and milkshakes out. That's what I was going for so I have I think I got 6.
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Cases of those.
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Plus one for me still.
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I think.
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I'm guessing so, yes. So I guess I have 5 cases left.
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I don't think I'm gonna drink them fast.
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Enough to say that you're lucky, you'll.
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Be lucky if they're still there.
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I only like.
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Half of them anyways, so it's no big deal.
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Well, we don't have a guest this week as we are kind of resetting the show with our brand new host. But before we go into our topic, which Wendy wants to talk about today, Dennis, our new host, why don't you introduce yourself to the fans, give a little rundown about what you do, what kind of styles of beer you like.
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What makes you tick?
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In the beer.
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World, you know, kind of give us a a breakdown, maybe a little bit about that link right under your name if you're not watching, of course, go to youtube.com, facebook.com or twitch.tv, I'll forward slash better on draft.
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Hi. Well, thank you. That was a very awesome introduction. My name is Dennis. I am in Holland, MI. I have been part of.
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The the the.
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Brewing scene for a little bit, I suppose. Used to be a manager at a couple different breweries. Most recently was Guardian Brewing Company oversaw. We took and it was a great place to.
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Be I no longer work there.
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I am a health coach for a company in San Francisco. Now it's great to be able to work remotely, but I still still a big fan friends with everybody around here. I got a website itsthepinesizereview.com. It started as a joke and ended up being a lot of fun and people send me beers from all over and I talked about it and.
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One thing I like to do instead of giving like a number rating like 05 out of five or something like that, you know like just.
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Try and talk.
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About what does it pair with? Right? You know this beer pairs well with a.
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Hockey fight or something?
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Along those lines, you know like.
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Like it's very situational. It could be you know this beer.
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Is really good cause.
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Reminds my neighborhood, Bob, this beer is really good.
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As it blew my mind, which is the way it.
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Was made the flavours and stuff.
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You know it's subjective and it should be in my opinion, but but that's just a stupid website from a stupid person and that's me. So, but yeah, what was the rest of your question? I have a dog. Her name is Lulu. She's a six month old corgi and she's in her kennel right now. Hopefully she doesn't make herself known.
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Too much right now.
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What? What kind?
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Of beers are we going to see from your drinking while you're on the show?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it's wet, I'll drink.
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Yeah, yeah, I mean.
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Fair enough.
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I like that.
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Do do you lean towards anything like when you?
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Go to the brewery and you're like, oh man, I gotta have that least IPA or.
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I gotta have.
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At least the stout I want. It depends on the brewery, right? What they're known for. I wanna try what they're known for when I'm going for the first time. I want to see what's going to be more seasonal. And then I'm probably going to.
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Finish off. Something's going to make me forget something. But yeah, winners coming. I'm going to be getting his barrel aged stouts, right? I had a fantastic October fest the other day, which is what I'm leaning towards.
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Mostly for the next month probably you know something a little bit more malt forward, but I would say I'm a a seasonal drinker, right? It's going to depend on what I'm what it is outside and what we're brewing, what's fresh.
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Or what's not fresh, what's been aged a while depending?
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Scout winner only or all season.
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Ohh all season right? Guinness. Guinness is your round beer, right? Yeah.
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OK, just trying.
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No such thing as stout season. Let's get that straight, because by definition, then there has to be an IPA season and it's time to get those out of there if they're not gonna. If they're gonna pretend.
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And you know what the.
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There's a stout.
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Snow season Dan. That means that there's no such thing as a pumpkin ale season. Give me pumpkin ales all year round.
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That's true. No. Oh my God. No, let's not do that.
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No, that's not.
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True, because pumpkin that has a season because it's when they grow, even though when we put pumpkin beers out now, the pumpkins aren't actually right.
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So they've screwed that up a little bit, yeah.
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Yeah. Now it's coming out in the summer.
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I don't think too many people are actually brewing with the pumpkins. I think it's all just the the nutmeg and.
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All spice I and you know what? You can make a true pumpkin ale for that. I just believe that you can make pumpkin ale all the time. And I'd be perfectly fine with that. I know Dan won't. I know he's not a.
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Big fan of the pumpkin beers.
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Arrow age Starbucks.
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I I tell you like a barrel age. Like a latte. Like a coffee stout. I I mean, I'm sure there's plenty out there. Bottle Logic probably does 100 of them.
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That'd be awesome.
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But without a guest this week, we.
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Do have a topic we want to.
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Talk about today.
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And this is Wendy's.
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Topic. So Wendy, take it away.
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Well, I I've had some friends out of town recently and they they're post some all their social medias, keep coming through and I'm trying really hard not to be envious of the fact that they're traveling to all these different breweries. So but it got me thinking what my bucket list items were not.
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What brewery I wanted to go to, what festival I.
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Wanted to go to.
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Things like that. So I was just wondering.
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What everybody's bucket list items are?
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Is there a specific brewery that you are just dying to go to? I mean, I got the chance earlier in the year to go to toppling Goliath. I still have to get some stuff out about that. But it was amazing. It did not hinder my view of them at all. I would love to be able to go back for.
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Ohh God now.
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I can't even think of the name.
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Pseudo sue.
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No, the.
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The big festival? The.
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South that they do.
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I don't remember off the top of my head.
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Oh my gosh, why did it?
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And I'm sure.
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Just blank. It blanked out of my head because I.
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Don't have any notes here.
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That's alright.
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Well, while you're while you're thinking.
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Right.
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About the festival, let's let's go around. Is there any beer breweries that you just had not had a chance to visit yet that you really want to visit Dan?
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So not too many left. The only one I would think of is probably the brewery, because I planned to go there but got too.
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Drunk at bottle.
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Logic. So that's probably the only one I yeah, it it happens, but I got too drunk. I was gonna go over to brewery acts and.
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You check.
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Who? Whoever makes that straight up off of that brown that we used to drink at the hockey stadium or the hockey arena? But yeah, the brewery is about the only one left that I'm like, oh, I need to get there. I feel like I've hit everything else that I want to go to.
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Nice. Nice. Personally, I just checked one off earlier this year and that was going to the burning Foot Beer festival up in Muskegon and that was so I I didn't know what to expect really. I just had a lot of friends like, oh, you gotta go. You gotta go so much fun. So on the beach, like, cool drunk people on the beach, this, this, this party. And I was.
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And it was everything good. Hope for more like it was massive. They had a big like metal structure with a giant metal hop on top that would shoot flames out. I I was. I I been to a few festivals but that was so much fun and the right attitude, the right vibe. I had such a blast. So if you guys get a chance to go next.
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Year you absolutely should.
00:10:22 DAN
No. Were you front row with Ken during the Limp Bizkit cover band.
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That was that was last year, Dan.
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Wait. Ohh sorry. OK. Apparently. Hence favorite thing.
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There's a Limp Bizkit cover band.
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The the state of.
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Michigan has a Limp Bizkit cover band, a corn cover band, and a system of a down cover band, and they.
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Do shows together, so yes.
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There is an Olympus.
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A cover band? Yeah. Burning foot. Beer Festival is a awesome festival to go to. Definitely one if you get a chance to camp on the beach too. I'm like Michigan.
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I am definitely not a camper, but I used the opportunity to camp while I was there and it was perfect. Plus being able to just kind of like stumble over to your tent and wake up to the sounds of Lake MI. We're both great for myself, for a brewery, I really, and this is going to sound like super weird.
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But I wanna go see like the Anheuser-Busch brewery.
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I wanna go.
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To fix this.
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They feel that each wood.
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I I I yeah, I want to see the the get a brewery tour like, not necessarily cause most of these breweries that we go to like we can get the beers in one form or fashion whether it's on draft somewhere in a, A can or bottle from a store. But going to the Anheuser-Busch.
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Like I would love to.
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Just go see where they.
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Just do something so consistent, so great. Kind of like that Shiner beer touring a brewery tour that we did.
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Well, that was great.
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That's exactly what I was thinking about with that because of the scale that they have there.
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Yeah. So I can only imagine how much bigger like when we went to, I went to the Blue Moon Brewery in Denver last year and I didn't get a chance to really do like a tour or anything like that. You can kind of just see what's.
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Going on, but I don't think it's even.
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Their production facility is that the major like where they make it or is that just?
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Like, you know, like a tap room.
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I think that was one of their tap rooms, cause I think what's called like blue Moon, rhino RINO.
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Whatever they're they're actually dams are over there. Yeah, river north.
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Oh yeah.
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What? What about you, Dan?
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Is there a a festival?
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Cause we know you just came back.
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From JBF for the second year show.
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Yeah, that one kind of ruins it. You know, I've never been to the one we do at Jimmy John's. I was gonna go last year, cause I came back before.
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For you, when I was coming out to Michigan, but due to the airline losing my luggage, I had to go back to the airport that night. Yeah. So driving out to. I can't even think of what city that is. You know me north of like 14 mile. Yeah, going out there and then having to go back to the airport at 8:00 PM wasn't going to work. So that's probably the.
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One festival I'd still want to get to.
00:13:05 KEN
Well, that makes.
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Me very humble, but I don't think we're that important.
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Yeah, I know it's not large.
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Scale, you know you.
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Know ones that are fun and I forgot we were.
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When we were.
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Talking about this, you know that Royal Oak one you and I went to years ago was incredibly fun. You know, festivals like that are a.
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Great time.
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When you attend a festival.
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Where like it it.
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Almost the beer is secondary, like the festival part itself, like where you're out there and you're hanging out with other people.
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It's it's definitely a lot different from when we went to that Royal Oak Festival cause that was back in 2017 or 2016, yeah.
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So that was.
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A completely different beer scene here in Michigan versus today. You you talked about wanting to go back to the the toppling Goliath.
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Brewery. But what about like beer festivals? Is there one that you haven't really hit yet yourself?
00:14:00 WENDY
Well, I still have not made it to burning foot even though it gets on my list every year and every year something comes up that weekend, so I can't go. I tried even blocking it off a year ahead of time last year and it still didn't work. And JBF I was in Denver three days before JBF last year.
00:14:19 DAN
Yeah, last year, wasn't it?
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Yeah, and I missed it.
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You were there right before we went.
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But that also reminds me when I.
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Was in golden.
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At that time, I was supposed.
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To do the Coors Tour.
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And I was really excited about that and they ended up the day that we were supposed to do the tour. They ended up doing a big appreciation for their employees. So they shut down the plan.
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So that their employees could have some fun before GABF, which I thought was really cool except for the fact that then I missed the tour.
00:14:52 DENNIS
Oh, man, yeah as well one of those.
00:14:55 DENNIS
Catch 1/2 was like oh.
00:14:56 DENNIS
Yes, good. Treat your employees.
00:14:58 Speaker 5
Well, but me?
00:15:00 WENDY
Yeah, but what about me?
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Like, can I pretend I'm an employee?
00:15:04 WENDY
So, right.
00:15:08 KEN
I'll wash some dishes.
00:15:09 KEN
Yeah, I'll. I'll help you with the hotline. I'll, I'll like some services down. Yeah. Washing kegs.
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Lock them pegs, yeah.
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Yeah, I watched the stuff out before.
00:15:18 KEN
Dennis, you mentioned Burning foot.
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But what about a brewery?
00:15:21 DENNIS
Ohh, that's right. OK, so Bruce up.
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I wanna go to the mall but.
00:15:26 DENNIS
Right now I have my eyes set on one batch Brewing Company over in Cork Town, Detroit. Really cool people. Really cool what they're what they're doing coming up to. But I've been there a couple times and every time I know that I'm going to be there again. I'm just so excited. So.
00:15:45 DENNIS
Heading to Detroit?
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For Thanksgiving, spend some time with the family and that's going to be our first stop is, you know, batch brewing.
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I mean just hanging out. I know they, they they get some of their hops from the UP their empire hops I believe is what they get from up there and just they're always have solid stuff always have solid food, solid beers and just really cool people I remember.
00:16:07 DENNIS
Or can I get some server like me denias goes alright, it just turns around, starts **** like I was nothing and.
00:16:14 DENNIS
It was cool. I was like.
00:16:16 Speaker 5
You're so cool right now.
00:16:18 DENNIS
I was just a really cool vibe there and I've been dreaming about it.
00:16:23 KEN
I think we we've we've talked.
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About what makes a brewery? And there's definitely breweries out there that you.
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Know can be considered quote UN quote.
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Small time like badge isn't necessarily the largest brewery, but when you get you know something that really sticks like The Alchemist over in Burlington is a great brewery, but it's because of where it is. It's located in such a beautiful area.
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That you can just kind of sit outside and enjoy like, you know the the Northeast area in Vermont and enjoy the weather and enjoy the nature.
00:16:55 KEN
And those are always a lot of fun for me. Like, I I talk about wanting to go to Anheuser-Busch. I I do think on top of my bucket list too, is going to be funky Buddha.
00:17:08 KEN
You know, they they have easily my favorite beer that's ever been produced. I love it. Every time I get it. I think so. Yeah. And it the it's a beer that just kind of sits on the shelf down in Florida. And I just can't necessarily get it all the time.
00:17:12 DAN
It's in Key West, right?
00:17:23 KEN
So going to the brewery would be nice, but also, you know, supporting them by being there I think is always great. And also trying stuff on draft cause everybody knows it's better on draft.
00:17:37 DENNIS
I feel that name somehow.
00:17:37 WENDY
No, thank you. Is in Oakland Park, FL.
00:17:42 DAN
Ohh OK, no idea where that is.
00:17:43 WENDY
I did get.
00:17:43 WENDY
The food school there once, and they were promoting their it was the pig one the.
00:17:52 KEN
Well, it's not the magnalite to Porter, because that's right brain. I was made with scrapple too.
00:17:58 WENDY
OK.
00:18:00 KEN
All right. She's looking it up. Oh, Pete Porter.
00:18:01 WENDY
For OP Porter, but it is, it's a smoked ham Porter.
00:18:09 Speaker 5
Wait, what? What?
00:18:11 WENDY
Yeah. Amazing.
00:18:14 DAN
Well, that's remember the one made with like $100 bills from Griffin closed, helping me so ornery or something.
00:18:21 KEN
No, you're you're thinking not Griffin claw from miso. Miso Unry was the Kim Jong-un beer. The big *** money.
00:18:23 DAN
Ohh am I thinking?
00:18:23 DAN
A different beer well.
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That's like Kim Jong Un beer is what I'm thinking of.
00:18:31 KEN
I think is what it was.
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Called and I'm trying to and frozen pizzas.
00:18:34 DAN
Made with like $100 bills.
00:18:38 DAN
That's right, and frozen pizzas.
00:18:41 DAN
Had it back in the very early days of the show, it was an interesting beer.
00:18:46 DENNIS
Less of a you're more of a soup.
00:18:49 DAN
Yeah. So something, Dennis, you brought up something that caught my attention. So badge is something you always try to go to every time you come into the Detroit area. So what's everybody's go to breweries when you go to a certain area? That's what I'm kind of.
00:19:03 DAN
Interested of because.
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Like for me, when I come to Michigan, it's unexpected and I always make time for it.
00:19:10 DAN
I really do think I did make some of the best stouts and.
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Country I've had a lot of them and he really does make some of the best. I know he got trained out at the Speedway stout guys. I'm trying to think of the name of the brewery off my head in San Diego. Thank you. So if he, if he learned there like he was telling us about, that's a good place to learn. So that's when I always.
00:19:32 DAN
Have to go to.
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UM.
00:19:34 DAN
Yeah, I'm curious then do you guys all have Musco breweries when you go to a certain?
00:19:42 DAN
What about you, Trent?
00:19:43 KEN
Yeah, I'm trying to think of.
00:19:44 KEN
Spots that I I typically go to a lot for me going to say like like 3 Floyds is always just like a a necessary stop on the way to Chicago. So not necessarily yeah not necessarily you know going there to go there.
00:19:57 DAN
Yeah, for example.
00:20:02 KEN
In that area, but on the way to Chicago, I'll always stop at 3 Floyd's. I think for me also there was a point in time where anytime I was in Grand Rapids at the Grand Rapids area, I was stopping at Jade and James.
00:20:19 KEN
I was getting that monkey butter. Yeah, and bringing it back like that was just a A must stop. But now that I go into.
00:20:19 DAN
Oh, the you know better stuff.
00:20:29 KEN
These other cities.
00:20:30 KEN
Or if I'm going to like if I'm going.
00:20:32 KEN
To Detroit myself.
00:20:34 KEN
I I definitely will try to hit up if it it all depends on the area too. Like that's so hard to to really say cause they're in like different little segregated areas.
00:20:47 KEN
You know, I I I would think something would come to mind, but really nothing cause like if I'm going up into like Midtown like I want to go to Motor City, like that's a must stop. Like I have to go to Motor City and eat pizza and eat beer. My ghetto blaster, my nut bandit. But if I'm going to like, if I'm going to downtown, like downtown, I'm.
00:21:07 KEN
Probably going to.
00:21:07 DAN
Like stadium area.
00:21:07 KEN
Make the. Yeah, I'm probably still going to make the truck out to.
00:21:10 KEN
Phase on.
00:21:12 DAN
Yeah. Good brewery too.
00:21:14 KEN
Because Even so like I think Cork Town is its own little entity, and there's even another another brewery coming up into Cork town by the end of the year that should be coming.
00:21:23 KEN
Up here soon so.
00:21:26 DENNIS
It's a really good question though, and to be honest I haven't had a chance to travel much lately. I mean, ever since, well, 2020 travel has been.
00:21:33 DENNIS
A little bit harder and so.
00:21:36 DENNIS
Some of the places I liked, you know they're gone or you know, or I just haven't.
00:21:40 DENNIS
Been there in.
00:21:40 DENNIS
Years just, you know, the state of the.
00:21:43 DENNIS
But yeah, you know, like like you mentioned, when I'm going to Detroit, it's like I gotta stop at batch. I really. I really. I'm getting the shakes. I need it, you know.
00:21:52 DAN
Get your fix.
00:21:52 DENNIS
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's good.
00:21:54 DENNIS
Stuff and and good people, and that that ties it together like the whole vibe, right? You know, festival sometimes is more about the vibe than is even.
00:22:02 DENNIS
About the beer and.
00:22:03 DENNIS
Some places are the exact same way. I know this corner of this pub so.
00:22:08 DAN
Yeah. Before we get to.
00:22:09 DAN
Your real quick one? Yeah. Another thing too. My new GG ABF tradition on Wednesday is going to true and to and to dark black sky. What's that?
00:22:21 WENDY
Also very good brew.
00:22:23 DAN
Yeah, because and they're both heavy metal themed. So you know that's right up my alley. The beer is excellent, but it's all secondary. So it's a great spot. Now what about you when you travel a lot. Is there somewhere you must stops you probably have.
00:22:36 WENDY
So we've talked about Bachelor already a lot on this.
00:22:36 DAN
A few.
00:22:40 WENDY
This podcast but I have friends that actually make a joke of the fact that I can make batch on my way home.
00:22:46 WENDY
From anywhere.
00:22:49 WENDY
To the point where I actually.
00:22:51 WENDY
Did a post about it the other day and I was like, this is definitely.
00:22:55 WENDY
On my way home from Troy.
00:22:57 WENDY
Not at all. But girls got to eat, so they hatch is definitely one that I will end up at most often. Archway. It's hard for me to go past them without stopping there. Their snicker. Doodle Porter is one of the best things I've.
00:23:15 WENDY
Ever had?
00:23:18 WENDY
Agma, it's hard to drive past Jackson.
00:23:20 WENDY
If I'm going out of town, I'm stopping on the way out or I'm stopping.
00:23:23 WENDY
On the way in for sure.
00:23:26 WENDY
And then.
00:23:27 DAN
March Draft House winners.
00:23:29 WENDY
Out of state Indianapolis, if I am in that area, I am going to deviate bring no matter what, I love their beer so much and their vibe actually reminds me a lot of badge.
00:23:42
I'm in.
00:23:42 Speaker 5
Ohh nice so.
00:23:44 WENDY
Yeah. From the very beginning, I was like you. I felt just this whole there as I do.
00:23:48 WENDY
A batch so.
00:23:50 WENDY
That was kind of my thing.
00:23:52 KEN
From the from the Facebook page, going back to beer festivals and I think this is one that is on my list of things I still need to get to there. There's two that I want to get to 1 that I'm hoping to get to next month and then another one next year. Fob is coming up in November. The Festival of Barrel aged beers in Chicago.
00:24:11 KEN
Which is easily a.
00:24:13 KEN
A top beer festival over there and then, of course, the great taste of the.
00:24:16 KEN
Midwest, there is also a secondary part of that festival. If you get a chance.
00:24:22 KEN
To go with the crew, coone and Brewers.
00:24:24 KEN
Guild you don't need to be a.
00:24:26 KEN
Part of it, but they take the bus up.
00:24:28 KEN
There. So they drive you up there.
00:24:30 KEN
You can, you know, room with everyone.
00:24:32 KEN
And you know, be in.
00:24:33 KEN
The same hotel. Everyone's bringing their own beers, bringing their own.
00:24:37 KEN
Home brews. It's a party on the way up there. Party there, party all the way back. So definitely a great opportunity to go and, you know, drink beer again. Great taste. That's one of those festivals that sells out every year. It doesn't matter. So make sure you get your tickets early.
00:24:55 KEN
And go hang out there for sure. Carla agrees with me. FoB is great.
00:25:02 KEN
What about you, Dan? Like you, you mentioned Colorado. But what about like, you know where you are? Local in Temple Phoenix or you go to LA plenty of times. Like what's? What's your go to other than Michigan and Colorado?
00:25:08 DAN
Yeah. True black sky.
00:25:18 DAN
So my go TOS actually wouldn't be in the LA area. Well, I mean, if you're in Orange County, Anaheim, you know you're going to go to bottle logic. That's must stop, but actually go to San Diego more. And the two that I need to stop out there every single time are pizza.
00:25:32 DAN
Report and Oh my God, now I'm having a brain fart.
00:25:36 DAN
Like Wendy did.
00:25:36 DAN
The victory at the Ballast Point. Ballast.
00:25:37 KEN
I think it's just the day.
00:25:39 DAN
Point are the two that that.
00:25:40 DAN
Are must stop.
00:25:42 DAN
Up for me, every time I go out there, I would try to get to McKellar. That's now closed and I would try to get to stone and it would just never happen because those.
00:25:49 DAN
Two are just too Dang good as far as that goes. In Arizona, the big one is dark sky up in Flagstaff, that's a must stop too.
00:25:59 DAN
UM.
00:26:00 DAN
But as far as in Phoenix there.
00:26:03 DAN
Aren't really a lot that are like.
00:26:04 DAN
Must go to.
00:26:05 DAN
The best breweries are in Flagstaff. I know the guys over at the shop told us they didn't think so, but when we did that show with them. But yeah, lot of the phoenix screws are just there. The one I took you to.
00:26:20 DAN
When we when you first came out years ago called Fate is really good. But other than that, there's nothing you're like. I have to go there. It's just they're just kind of there.
00:26:32 KEN
Well, continuing the conversation with bucket lists, it wouldn't be complete without bucket list beers. What are everyone's bucket list beers? The beers that they just have yet to try that they've wanted to try, that's always been out of their reach, whether it's been due to distribution.
00:26:51 KEN
Due to the fact that it is.
00:26:53 KEN
Just super rare.
00:26:55 KEN
What? What is out there for?
00:26:57 KEN
You, Wendy, I'm sure you've got a few.
00:27:00 WENDY
So my brain for it from.
00:27:01 WENDY
Earlier, KBS that.
00:27:04 WENDY
Is still today. She doesn't know. Allude me.
00:27:05 DAN
Ohh yeah, that's my one.
00:27:08 WENDY
Even though I was able to go there, I still couldn't get any KBS.
00:27:15 KEN
Yeah, KBS and then Sr. 71 from toppling Goliath 2 is another one that is. Both of them are on my list of beers.
00:27:25 KEN
That I would like to try.
00:27:26 KEN
June or?
00:27:27 KEN
One day I guess you have to say it doesn't matter if it's soon, as long as I get a.
00:27:31 KEN
Chance at it. What about you, Denis? I cannot remember.
00:27:35 DENNIS
The name of this beer, but it's from three Floyds and they release it every year at their dark Lord days. Yeah, yeah. Darklord days. And I've never had it. I've never had it. I know it's.
00:27:46 DENNIS
It's gone immediately, you know, and.
00:27:48 DENNIS
I've I've never had the opportunity to go to their big old metal festival right, so I'd like to make that happen someday.
00:27:56 WENDY
That's always one of mine.
00:27:56 KEN
Yeah, actually.
00:27:58 KEN
Kind of kind of shocking that, Dan, you didn't pick Dark Lord Day as like your your festival, since they'll get like big metal bands there and.
00:28:06 DAN
So you know, it's funny, you know, the one you that I thought about after we were talking about that is when they did the LA version of the metal and beer.
00:28:14 DAN
Just that had that the guy didn't get back to us till last minute. I had other plans and then they've never done it out here again. I don't know if it didn't do well, but they have the one in Philly still that that's on the bucket list. I wish it was still on the.
00:28:27 KEN
There's three, but there's one in Denver this year.
00:28:27 DAN
Side of the country.
00:28:31 DAN
Ohh is there.
00:28:32 KEN
Yep, December 1st and 2nd.
00:28:35 DAN
Oh, we'll have to talk about that offline. We're gonna have to try to make.
00:28:37 Speaker 5
That happen. I'm. I'm.
00:28:38 WENDY
So we have some good beer too.
00:28:40 KEN
I'm looking at some of the.
00:28:43 KEN
The names of the artists and I couldn't tell you one of them.
00:28:47 KEN
I I got I.
00:28:48 KEN
Got primitive men, man. Primitive Man Ken mode. That's a that's a.
00:28:52 KEN
Good name. That's you.
00:28:53 DAN
Oh, is that your band?
00:28:56 KEN
I I the red chord I could.
00:28:58 KEN
Read that one.
00:29:01 KEN
Camel. Yeah, I'm looking.
00:29:01 DAN
Where you look at the logos.
00:29:03
And you're trying to figure out.
00:29:03
At the logo.
00:29:06 DENNIS
It looks like the back of a bus seat.
00:29:08 DENNIS
Like just all bunch of cracks? Yeah.
00:29:09 DAN
Those are the best logos.
00:29:11 KEN
Yeah, there's there's some. There's some that like the the one for.
00:29:15 KEN
Agalloch AGALO.
00:29:17 KEN
TBH like you could see it, but then there's some that like I'm looking.
00:29:22 KEN
At this this list.
00:29:23 KEN
And you cannot there there is absolutely no way you're going to be able to tell some of the names of this, and thankfully, because we are online, I can share with you. Yay.
00:29:36 DAN
This could be a game where you just get have to guess the name.
00:29:38 DENNIS
Ohh yeah OK, this is like the Marvel Cinematic Universe of metal bands. Yeah, so?
00:29:39 DAN
Of the band.
00:29:45 DAN
UM, it's.
00:29:47 DAN
I have a Mr. Bungle shirt where they did a play on the the thrash metal of the death metal logos like this it's great is that the monsters? Is that the?
00:29:56 DAN
Name of that one.
00:29:57 WENDY
It's nice not to you.
00:29:58 KEN
I I think it's munsons like Roy E.
00:30:03 DAN
Ohh OK.
00:30:03 DENNIS
This this is amazing in I'm scared of reading them backwards in something Satan, but it looks great. I'm I want to go Ken mode. That that's that is your band. But you're you're you're covering Depeche Mode.
00:30:18 DAN
Yeah. So you go there and it's it's Kencing and Depeche Mode covers it just.
00:30:21 DAN
A thong and.
00:30:22 Speaker 5
Yeah, it's just.
00:30:22 DAN
Nothing else.
00:30:25 KEN
Thanks. Thanks for the.
00:30:26 KEN
Image I don't.
00:30:26 Speaker 5
Want it? Have this back. I love it. I love it.
00:30:29 WENDY
Thanks Dan.
00:30:33 KEN
So yeah, so this is the the metal and beer festival. Decibel magazine puts this on once or twice per year. As you can see by the giant decibel. So this is going to be in Denver, Co. It's presented by true.
00:30:47 Speaker 5
It relapse records.
00:30:52 KEN
Yeah, I I don't know. Again there's.
00:30:57 KEN
Here's the Little Cottage brewery, Dan. That's probably up your.
00:31:01 KEN
Alley with that kind of logo.
00:31:01 DAN
There's probably there's black sky. There's three Floyds now. Three Floyds has done a lot of the metal band Spears. If you recall back.
00:31:05 KEN
Three floyds. Yep, that's nice.
00:31:09 DAN
In the day.
00:31:10 KEN
Yeah, well, their dark Lord Day is a huge metal beer like metal festival. Like they're they bring in some of the.
00:31:16 KEN
Best metal bands I I would guess I don't know much about metal.
00:31:20 WENDY
Bands I tried to get tickets like four years in a row. We hit three of us trying to get tickets and we could never get them. So I kind of.
00:31:27 KEN
For a Dark Lord day.
00:31:29 WENDY
Yeah. When I hit the year, no figure.
00:31:32 KEN
They don't out.
00:31:33 KEN
In 2022-2023 so.
00:31:35 KEN
I think you can go next year.
00:31:40 KEN
Looks like it's May 18th next year, 2024. I don't see any updates regarding when tickets will go on sale. You can get a.
00:31:50 KEN
The e-mail notification for when it does get on sale, but yeah.
00:31:56 DAN
If you get advance tickets, Ken, because of Ken mode.
00:31:59 KEN
I mean, I should I should should be like. Yeah, this is Ken, the titular artist.
00:32:07 KEN
From the band Ken mode.
00:32:09 DENNIS
Just show up. Yeah. Yeah. Tickets for Ken.
00:32:12 DENNIS
Awesome. And they'll just let you in. They'll just let you in, man.
00:32:16 KEN
Yeah, I'm. I'm with the band. I'm Ken of Ken mode. There you go.
00:32:20 DENNIS
Mode comma Ken present.
00:32:23 KEN
Yeah. So last year, Dark Lord Day had Cannibal corpse, Pelican enforced, and a special guest, which this was obviously a a promo. So I have no idea who the.
00:32:35 KEN
Special guest was.
00:32:38 KEN
But yeah, it happens.
00:32:39 KEN
Yeah, I I was. That's what I was saying. Like I I recognized the name. Therefore I know that it.
00:32:45 KEN
A decent sized band for for what it was municipal waste that was the.
00:32:53 KEN
The special guest.
00:32:54 DAN
Ohh boy, yeah, that's another good.
00:32:56 DAN
One yeah, need it.
00:32:56 KEN
I was gonna say I I reckon I.
00:32:58 KEN
Recognize the name. So that's how big they are.
00:33:02 Speaker 5
We'll have to go.
00:33:05 DENNIS
I must go.
00:33:06 KEN
Dennis. Dennis, what's your music? Apparently, I'm.
00:33:07 DAN
And it's gonna stage.
00:33:08 KEN
What do?
00:33:09 WENDY
Getting socked in my old age.
00:33:09 DENNIS
You like my my music.
00:33:12 WENDY
Like I don't know who those are.
00:33:16 DENNIS
OK, I.
00:33:19 DENNIS
The Big Dave Grohl fan, like anything that he's touched, I mean, he had a really cool metal band that he recorded all the music for back in the day called Probot. He did all the all the instruments and then had different metal singers singing on that. And that is a that I I pretty much wore out the CD on that back in high school, not just my.
00:33:39 DENNIS
Well I, but I I love rock. I love Blues.
00:33:41 DENNIS
And I don't know man like.
00:33:44 DENNIS
I used to play a lot of music back in college. Just how I paid my rent. I.
00:33:47 DENNIS
Was in like 10.
00:33:48 DENNIS
Different bands. So if it has.
00:33:51 DENNIS
Live people on stage. I'm going to probably enjoy something about it.
00:33:57 DAN
Yeah, I agree with that. So I'm gonna put you on the spot real quick.
00:34:02 DAN
Anna, greatest thing David girl Dave Girl ever touched her overrated.
00:34:06 DENNIS
Oh, I can't say it's overrated. I'm not going to say the greatest thing ever touched.
00:34:11 DAN
Yeah. See, I think they're overrated, especially when it comes to grunge music. I've never, never understood the obsession, but that's my opinion, of course.
00:34:18 DENNIS
That's OK.
00:34:18 DAN
I want to make.
00:34:19 DAN
I don't don't want one star reviews on iTunes.
00:34:24 DENNIS
They're talking about beer is really cool until we start talking their.
00:34:26 DENNIS
Bum and they.
00:34:27 DAN
Suck. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:29 DENNIS
Probably like Pearl Jam better.
00:34:31 DAN
No Alice In Chains. They're still the kings of the of grunge. Yeah.
00:34:33 DENNIS
How's how contains was awesome.
00:34:37 DENNIS
I was a Chris Cornell fan, though, so sound garden and yeah yeah. RIP ripping peas. Yeah, yeah.
00:34:39 DAN
You're very good too. Ohh.
00:34:47 DAN
What about you, Wendy? What's your musical go to?
00:34:52 WENDY
Usually musicals.
00:34:54 Speaker 5
That's fine.
00:34:55 WENDY
No, I like.
00:34:56 WENDY
I listen to everything, so my favorite band to see live ever is Papa Roach. They have the best stage presence, means they're always so excited to be there and I just. I love the feeling that I get when I watch them. But I I love a lot of different music so.
00:35:16 WENDY
There's really not anything that I don't listen to. I'm not as a fan of the new country as I was of older country.
00:35:26 DAN
Well, it's more poppy now, isn't it? Like pop music basically, or almost like country rock.
00:35:30 Speaker 5
Yeah, pop, pop with the clang. Yeah, pop with the.
00:35:32 KEN
Is here. It's here. You're looking more like country hip.
00:35:36 KEN
Hop like with the the 808.
00:35:38 DAN
Well, I was thinking about.
00:35:39 DAN
Like that Jason Aldean song that caused all that controversy, things like that.
00:35:45 KEN
They they in, in my opinion, what you see with a lot of modern country because they're adding like the 80 eights and stuff, there was a a pretty good not a documentary but like one of those YouTube essayists that came out and had like a really professional done.
00:36:02 KEN
And talked like with a.
00:36:03 KEN
Lot of people in the industry.
00:36:06 KEN
What was the Old Town?
00:36:07 KEN
Road guy? Well, not.
00:36:10 KEN
They are all nutsacks, so he came out and had like this and then this guy is like, here you go. I'm just gonna play a bunch of brand new, you know, country songs and played all these.
00:36:19 KEN
Songs like here's the 8:00.
00:36:20 KEN
Oh, eights. Here's this here.
00:36:21 KEN
Is this and it's for a lot of people like music is always evolutionary. It is always borrowing from other artists. So you're going to see.
00:36:31 KEN
Rock get a little bit more country country, get a little bit more hip hop. You know what hip hop get.
00:36:35 KEN
A little bit more country. We'll think about it.
00:36:38 DAN
If you go back in the day when the the metal or the rock and rap scene kind of blended together.
00:36:44 DAN
Like think about anthrax and UM, what's that Chuck D and Flavor Flav ban. I can't think of anything. I go by and Aerosmith and run DMC. Yeah. Public Enemy. Thank you. But then it it developed into new battle which, you know, look, it's not. They're one of the biggest fans in the world. And, you know, and all those fans.
00:36:53 WENDY
Public Enemy.
00:37:03
But not you.
00:37:04 DAN
Actually, in the early 2000s, so they do blend together and take from each other. It's pretty impressive.
00:37:11 DENNIS
Yeah, there's a there was a good documentary series that the Foo Fighters put out a few years ago. Now it's called Sonic highways. And they did. They recorded a song in a different city, right? Each song was in a different city. When they recorded in Nashville, they got to talk to a bunch of, like, the old country artists and stuff like Willie Nelson, Dolly Parton.
00:37:31 DENNIS
And they're like, yeah, country. Like, they like their singers and they like their songwriters, but they don't like their singer songwriters. So that's where you see a lot of, like, the musical, not musical influence, but the corporate influence, especially in modern country as well. And they did a really good deep dive.
00:37:47 DENNIS
Into that highly recommend that.
00:37:49 KEN
Well, there's, you know, if you look at some of the old country like the the Willie Nelson type country, Johnny Cash like it is very, very what we would consider like progressive messaging like ****, **** the cops, **** the police, **** the prison system. **** capitalism like these are things that.
00:38:09 KEN
Everyone was singing back in the 60s and 70s in that genre and as things progressed, like country.
00:38:16 KEN
The the the message kind of changed and I think Bo Burnham, you know pretty much, puts a a cherry on the top of that Sunday of how new country is like, oh, you, you know, you're driving your F-150. That's never seen a a dirt Rd. before that kind of thing. I'm actually looking at Sonic Highway. So this was back in 2014.
00:38:37 KEN
Yeah. So a little bit ago.
00:38:37 DENNIS
OK.
00:38:42 KEN
We are getting older. Yeah. Yeah. Well.
00:38:44 KEN
Well, Dan, I still think the.
00:38:45 DAN
90s were like five years ago.
00:38:48 KEN
Right. You you bring up metal all the time. I mean, what's what's on your, your playlist when it's not?
00:38:57 KEN
You know those those metal type bands?
00:39:00 DAN
What else do I listen to? A lot of industrial lot of.
00:39:06 DAN
God, it's all metal basically, but industrial is the other big go to people on the town. Put out a hell of an album this year. Not too long ago, which has been my jam. I've probably played that, you know, I only buy vinyl now when it comes to buying music, and I've probably played that thing 50 times so far. It's probably halfway through its life.
00:39:25 DAN
But I like to go towards, you know, some of the some of the stuff like, you know, taproot unfortunately had to miss that show. But, you know, some of the not heavy stuff. But, you know, taproots great chevelle's coming to town where I'm at pretty soon I'm gonna go check that out. Things like that. Not the deep, heavy stuff. But, you know, the more fun upbeat.
00:39:45 DAN
Some of the stuff.
00:39:49 DAN
I'm trying to think like 7 to us is probably my all the other ones coming or even the fun stuff like a dragon force is something I'll go listen to some little what they refer to themselves as video game metal, but yeah things like that. Just a lighter stuff but still on the harder side.
00:40:04 KEN
My my favorite thing to see if you have not seen it on TikTok, but the lead singer I think of Dragon Force is on TikTok or at least one of the the.
00:40:12 KEN
Guys and he reacts to people who do through the fire and flames. But typically I'm like non standard instruments.
00:40:19 KEN
So like something?
00:40:19 DAN
It's a guitar player.
00:40:21 KEN
Yeah. Yeah. So he'll, he'll be like.
00:40:24
He'll he'll.
00:40:24 KEN
Look at it and it's someone doing it on the harp and doing it naturally on the harp or someone doing it on a a weird maybe like a.
00:40:32 KEN
The Asian type, you know, string instrument that not many people know about or understand how it's playing. So that's that's always fun to see.
00:40:42 DAN
Yeah, I love watching those because he, you know, he gets this and I won't take up too much time with this. But the reactions he gets for that because that's the song. He even explains it. You can't play it on one guitar. You need both of them to actually do it. People try but and the way you see people adapt, it is a lot of fun.
00:40:59 KEN
I think that's that's also a big thing with music, especially in 2023 and the ability to get your content out, you know, wading through a lot of bad content is fine. But there are a lot of people. I I can't tell you how many.
00:41:12 KEN
Times. If I hear a song and like I want to listen to like an acoustic version or someone do a cover of that song and it could be a rap song, it could be a rock song.
00:41:23 KEN
But anything like where I can get a different feel.
00:41:27 KEN
For that track acapella, like I'm I'm, I'll be an acapella nerd like I used to. Watch that Nick Lachey TV show. That was like the acapella competition, the reality show.
00:41:37 DAN
All of us could.
00:41:38 DAN
See were you watching where in the world is Carmen San Diego?
00:41:41 KEN
Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. That on there some somebody.
00:41:45 KEN
Did a where are they now with the that?
00:41:47 KEN
Acapella group that did.
00:41:48 KEN
The the intro theme with the the guy with.
00:41:50 KEN
That really deep voice.
00:41:52 KEN
I was like, yeah, we're in San Diego.
00:41:55 KEN
That was my impression and that's.
00:41:56 KEN
Still, like it's still 8 octaves too high.
00:42:00 KEN
But yeah, I love reaching.
00:42:01 KEN
Out. Sorry, Wendy, I see you. You're ready to chat.
00:42:05 KEN
I I love looking for.
00:42:07 KEN
Alternative content to current music.
00:42:13 KEN
I was leaving that opening for you.
00:42:14 WENDY
Wendy. Ohh. I like that now. I wanted to go back to the acapella thing. So are you talking about just the acapella singing or like acapella music where they make the instrument noises with their mouth?
00:42:26 DAN
Like that guy from police Academy?
00:42:26 WENDY
Like one guys in.
00:42:27 WENDY
Front boom once. I can't remember the name of.
00:42:29 WENDY
The of the group.
00:42:30 KEN
The Pentatonix. Yeah, so.
00:42:30 WENDY
That got really big with.
00:42:31 WENDY
That it freaks me out when they do that.
00:42:35 WENDY
Freaks me out like I can't handle it.
00:42:38 KEN
I've seen the Pentatonix live.
00:42:40 KEN
And I saw them at the fox and they did a no mic song. They did. Ohh. Holy.
00:42:48 KEN
Night it was their Christmas.
00:42:49 KEN
Tour and at the Fox in Detroit. If you're not unaware, the acoustics there are so like.
00:42:57 KEN
Amazing, especially for the time it was built, like how they were able to do this. And I'm sitting in the three hundreds and they're singing. Ohh. Holy night. No mics, no extra content. Everyone quiet. And you could hear it as if you were standing right next to them. Like, that's how bone chilling it was to hear that song.
00:43:17 KEN
From that far away, but.
00:43:18 KEN
All all vocal.
00:43:19 KEN
So yeah, I do like the music. I definitely like a little bit more doo-wop. So if you get, like, not necessarily like a barbershop quartet, but like the the old school, like for some that's singing Motown, like Aretha Franklin. That's the kind of music that.
00:43:38 KEN
I would definitely be more akin to there is on YouTube.
00:43:44 KEN
And I'm I've been racking my brain this whole time trying to think of the name of that damn show. Nick Lachey hosted it. That's all I remember.
00:43:52 KEN
But they did.
00:43:53 KEN
The what's what's the Caddyshack song? Is it? I'm.
00:43:57 KEN
All right. Or is it the actual like?
00:43:58 DAN
Yeah, yeah. The Kenny Loggins song.
00:44:01 KEN
They. Kenny Loggins? Yes. Yes, they did that song in acapella and it was a group called the Philharmonic, which was all Filipino, hence the name Phil Harmonic and.
00:44:11 DENNIS
Amazing. I think it was. I love that.
00:44:14 Speaker 5
OK.
00:44:15 KEN
It might have been the sing off. Yeah, it probably as you just looked it up and they they did it against like a a country group that does like, country acapella and they got like one of the country guys, they taught him how to beat box and they like they.
00:44:18 WENDY
I just looked down.
00:44:35
It it was a.
00:44:35 KEN
Fun little event, so like that kind of stuff. Always. I I love hearing as I said, different types of music, but.
00:44:42 KEN
I know we've kind of gone way off track. This is better on vinyl, better on music, better on Spotify. You know what? That's that's fine. It's a fun show today. No guests today. We're here to have fun. Folks, if you're not live with us, join us. Live Friday, 7:15 PM eastern. We are on Twitch, YouTube and Facebook. You can interact with us.
00:44:47 DAN
On vinyl, yeah.
00:44:50 WENDY
OK.
00:45:03 KEN
Just like Carl has done earlier today, tell us your favorite bands. Your favorite artist, what you like to listen to, but there there was a question of.
00:45:10 DAN
Because for toots, too.
00:45:12
That goes for.
00:45:12 KEN
Toots mccraw. Yes. Over in Twitch I have. I haven't seen Toots show up yet.
00:45:18 KEN
My my question is, is that when you are at a a ballpark a hockey arena, a concert, when you go to drink beer, do you wanna drink like beer? That's, you know, solid, easy to drink or are you still looking for that craft beer?
00:45:35 KEN
When you go to these types of events.
00:45:38 DAN
Oh oh, I totally look for the craft beer. Yeah. Yeah. I was at the Iron Maiden concert at Little Caesar's back in October, 100% found the craft beer bar was drinking whatever was there. And then even at the state theater, trying to drink whatever the most crap like it was like mango cart or something.
00:45:59 DAN
They have all antisera Bush, so getting the most crap.
00:46:03 DAN
Beer possible is what I do and see out here. Ken, you've been to a show out here. You know, we were drinking kilt lifter. Yeah, it's in Anheuser-Busch. But it's Arizona. Only beer that you're gonna find. So that's always fun to find. Cause you'll find that at at at arenas, you know, it won't be. It won't be craft quote UN quote.
00:46:23 DAN
Because you know, and it's a Bush bottom or someone to that extent. But it's one of those craft breweries that used to be a craft brewery that they're still producing their stuff.
00:46:32 KEN
I think when I say craft, I imply not light lager.
00:46:37 DAN
Ohh I see what you mean, but yeah.
00:46:38 DAN
So yeah, I'm never looking for a ultra or a, you know, triple hopped Miller Lite.
00:46:45 KEN
I mean for me like I'm I'm going to the Lions game on Sunday and I know damn well. Like I'll probably hit like on the way to the arena we park at MGM and walk to Ford Field like I'll be drinking a tall boil. The bat probably on the way there. And then when we get in there, I might. Yeah. Yeah. And then.
00:47:01 DAN
On The Walking ice.
00:47:04 KEN
And on the way there or when we get there, I don't the the craft beer options, I'm not gonna lie in Ford Field are trash. It's like 4 IPA's, yeah.
00:47:12 DAN
They're bad, but.
00:47:16 DAN
I was gonna.
00:47:17 DAN
Say, what were we drinking at summer slam? It was really middle of.
00:47:22 DAN
The road kind of stuff.
00:47:23 KEN
I feel like I was drinking Miller light at summer slam.
00:47:27 DAN
On and I think I had like a bells too hard it or something like that. And Mike was drinking similar and so was Nick. But yeah, that's the best that.
00:47:35 DAN
You get there.
00:47:37 DENNIS
It I I wanna hop in on this because it it once again. That's that dependent on the situation kind of thing, right? So if I'm at a.
00:47:45 DENNIS
Game I'm yeah.
00:47:46 DENNIS
You're right, you're probably not gonna have a really great selection of craft beer. If I see something like a too hard some.
00:47:51 DENNIS
Yeah, I'll get that. But.
00:47:54 DENNIS
For some reason, I'm going to a hockey game, I'm thinking.
00:47:58 DENNIS
Coors. Like like that's what I associate with the hockey.
00:48:01 DENNIS
Game or something along those lines and I'm not.
00:48:03 DENNIS
Gonna be too.
00:48:04 DENNIS
Picky when I get there for some reason, that's just what.
00:48:06 DENNIS
Tastes like a.
00:48:07 DENNIS
Good time to me while watching a bunch of.
00:48:09 DENNIS
Guys beat the ****.
00:48:10 DENNIS
Out of check on on the ice, it's awesome.
00:48:14 DAN
Yeah, it's funny you.
00:48:15 DAN
Bring that.
00:48:15 DAN
Up Ohh sorry one one second. Wendy, I didn't mean to cut you off there, but it's funny. I go to a lot of hockey games in Arizona and we have a 5000 seat arena and they have Grand Canyon Brewing selling beer.
00:48:20 Speaker 5
Yes, go ahead.
00:48:28 DAN
There so you can get a good amber at least, or you can get, you know, your generic Miller Lite mic ultra, you know your $40 double shot of vodka and soda. So yeah, I feel I feel like we're lucky because we have that. And Ken the beer I thought about when we were in Las Vegas was Golden Rd. Get up off of that brown. That's one of those.
00:48:49 DAN
Ones that are an Anheuser-Busch owned brewery, but it's nice to find out an arena.
00:48:56 WENDY
Yeah, I'm always going for the I'm always going for the craft beer first. If not, it's going to be like a PBR course. Depending on what they have to offer, because sometimes they're.
00:48:56 DAN
Sorry, when you go, I'm sorry.
00:49:09 WENDY
Not great craft beers.
00:49:11 DENNIS
You know, I heard that PBR is.
00:49:13 DENNIS
Still, the biggest craft Brewer in.
00:49:15 DENNIS
The nation.
00:49:16 DAN
It's the biggest crap here in.
00:49:16 WENDY
Right.
00:49:17 DAN
The nation, Ken, you gotta tell.
00:49:17 Speaker 5
Yeah. So like.
00:49:18 DAN
Your left Lindemann story.
00:49:21 KEN
Oh my God.
00:49:24 KEN
So that's that's definitely a about, say, a crime of opportunity, which I feel like it was after the amount that I drink so for.
00:49:33 KEN
Me. I'll, I'll.
00:49:35 KEN
I'll preface this with.
00:49:36 KEN
If it costs for a 12 ounce craft beer.
00:49:40 KEN
The same as a 24 ounce Miller light. I'm going with the 24 ounce Miller light not because I want to get more drunk. Obviously the ABV is probably the same when you add it all up, but for me I want to be able to like just drink the beer throughout the the event like I want to be able to.
00:49:53 KEN
Sip on it. It's it's just what it is. Like when I go bowling.
00:49:57 KEN
I drink Miller like I don't drink Alaskan amber, which they have on draft or Oktoberfest. I'm still curious how long that Amber Keg has been there because it's it's always on tap and I've never seen it change. I see the Sam Adams one change. I never see the Alaskan amber change.
00:50:16 KEN
But there was a time. So this.
00:50:18 KEN
Would have been.
00:50:19 KEN
20/16/2017 I got this is at Joe Louis Arena and the rave tent. Rave is a distributor here in Metro Detroit. The rave tent, which had all the craft beers and imports and stuff had Laffin demon 23 oz for I think it was like 9 bucks.
00:50:40 KEN
And I looked at it, and I'm like, you're joking like this is wrong. Like, you can't be right.
00:50:46 KEN
And the first one cashed through.
00:50:48
You know, whenever.
00:50:48 KEN
You buy something. You think the price is wrong. You're like, I'll try it just in case. And the price was right. And I remember just stumbling back and forth because I didn't drive so I could do whatever I wanted.
00:51:00 KEN
And and buying Laffin demund and at at the last one walking those JLA stairs down from the top of the two hundreds was an experience, to say the least.
00:51:13 KEN
But I I also think at that time I was definitely still what in those types of events I was an ABV per dollar drinker.
00:51:22 KEN
And offender mine is an amazing beer and nothing against that. But I I was definitely drinking ABV per dollar to get the most messed up at that.
00:51:33 WENDY
See and I would have just picked them up in.
00:51:35 WENDY
The month because it's a good beer.
00:51:37 KEN
I I think it was a little bit of both. I I mean there are times where I've drank Dragon meets final absolution because it was the.
00:51:46 KEN
Same price as.
00:51:47 KEN
You know Miller light or something like that. And I'm like, oh, well, I'm gonna drink final.
00:51:51 KEN
Absolution cause I'm hammered.
00:51:54 WENDY
Nothing better than.
00:51:54 DAN
You. What is it the same price?
00:51:57 WENDY
Nothing is better than the $5 Roombas. You could get a final AMP solution at the East Point Club.
00:52:05 DAN
Ohh that's insane.
00:52:06
You could get.
00:52:07 WENDY
$10 was all you needed for the night.
00:52:09 KEN
Yeah you could.
00:52:10 KEN
Get probably like 75023 oz at.
00:52:18 KEN
I'm trying to think of what a place.
00:52:20 KEN
That I hosted.
00:52:21 KEN
Trivia on the east side, and I remember I drank three, stood up, sat down and.
00:52:27 KEN
Yeah, I stayed.
00:52:28 KEN
There for like 2 extra hours playing music for free because I was like, I can't drive anywhere like I'm I am way too messed up but that's.
00:52:35 DAN
That's as bad as when you were 19 and at augies for boomba night.
00:52:39 KEN
I never went to Augies at 19 to drink, Sir. Sorry, my.
00:52:44 KEN
Bad. Not that.
00:52:45 KEN
Statute of limitations is up and the bar is closed, so they can't even get an MLC.
00:52:45 WENDY
We don't talk about that.
00:52:54 KEN
Alright, so we have a few minutes left before we take our break for the craft beer news. Of course, you can always join us live. Please join us. Chat with us. Interact with us.
00:53:04
Especially when we.
00:53:05 KEN
Have a guest on. You can ask guests questions. We're gonna be having plenty of guests coming up soon to talk with, just like we had Wendy Yingling on.
00:53:14 KEN
Earlier this year, we've also.
00:53:15 KEN
Had Jeff and Marcia Larson from Alaskan brown.
00:53:19 KEN
We've had the folks over at Sierra Nevada. We've had the brewery, we've had plenty of the the beers that we wanna drink, the places we want to go. We've had many of them on our show. So go check out our four.
00:53:31 WENDY
You know who him.
00:53:32 KEN
100 Plus UPS who have we not had?
00:53:34 WENDY
Troves, why are they not our show yet?
00:53:35 KEN
We have not had strobes.
00:53:37 KEN
I, Wendy, I have, I.
00:53:39 WENDY
I have to go back to.
00:53:40 WENDY
That drinking that hour.
00:53:41 WENDY
Till I can get him on the show.
00:53:44 KEN
I I have reached out to trogs, but I want to add ask you guys one final question, a bucket list but more of a goal set. So for the year the the fiscal year 2023-2024 of better on draft so year #9 because that is the year we're in year #9 of podcasting.
00:54:05 KEN
What is your goal for that? When we celebrate our ninth year anniversary that you want to be telling us you did in the past year? Is it a festival? Is it a beer? Is it a brewery? Wendy, you are the most traveled, I think. Out of all of us right now with all the volunteer work that you do and all the traveling that you do.
00:54:25 KEN
For fun, what is the one thing you want to say?
00:54:29 KEN
You've done this year.
00:54:31 Speaker 5
OK.
00:54:34 WENDY
I think I would like to go to telling Ryan for the KBS beliefs.
00:54:39 KEN
KBS release. We're holding you to it, Daniel.
00:54:43 DAN
Ohh so I originally was gonna say open every beer we have at the 9th anniversary.
00:54:49 DAN
Maybe. Maybe at episode #4. Ohh, I wish you were there, Dennis. I wish.
00:54:51 KEN
So much.
00:54:56 DAN
You were there for that night.
00:54:58 KEN
There will be a nice.
00:54:59 DAN
Uh, But let's see, yeah.
00:55:00 KEN
I I would say go listen.
00:55:01 KEN
To episode 300, but we recorded that while before you opened up every beer episode.
00:55:06 DAN
Yeah, that was a good episode. It was a.
00:55:08 DAN
Really good.
00:55:10 DAN
Geez, you know what? I'm gonna throw this out here because he told me to reach out to him. Let's get.
00:55:18 DAN
Let's get. Ohh God, I don't wanna get. Who do I wanna get? I wanna get Sam. Or do we wanna get? No.
00:55:22 DAN
We wanna get Jim, let's get Jim Cook on the.
00:55:26 DAN
On the here before the 9th anniversary.
00:55:29 KEN
All right. We bring back Boston Beer Company with Jim Dennis. You're the new guy. It doesn't have to be.
00:55:35 DENNIS
I am.
00:55:35 KEN
A better on draft specific.
00:55:39 KEN
Bucket list item but what?
00:55:41 KEN
Is your goal for the next year, especially now that you're on the show? Like what? What are we?
00:55:45 KEN
Going to see from you next year.
00:55:47 DENNIS
When's the 9th anniversary?
00:55:49 KEN
It'll be October with the first episode of.
00:55:52 KEN
October 2024.
00:55:53 DENNIS
All right. OK. We can do a lot by then. And I can do a lot by then. I want to actually get to sit down with everybody on this podcast in a room. I want to drink a few too many beers with you guys. That's what I.
00:56:06 DENNIS
Want to do?
00:56:08 DENNIS
And I want to hang out. I want to party and I want to meet more people that are fans of this podcast and I want to.
00:56:12 DENNIS
Take it to the next level. I think we can do that. I'm really, really, really.
00:56:16 DENNIS
Got it.
00:56:17 KEN
Well, damn, I don't have to.
00:56:18 KEN
Say that now ohh.
00:56:19 DAN
It's funny. I ran into people at GBF that listen to it. It kind of. I messaged. Ken would have happened. It kind of caught me off guard. You're the kid, nerds.
00:56:27 KEN
And the nicest way possible, Dan, you do have a look.
00:56:30 WENDY
Did they recognize you?
00:56:31 DAN
Oh, I I totally do. Yeah. Well, yeah. Well, they recognize the name on the badge. I totally have a look. I stand out.
00:56:37 DAN
In the crowd.
00:56:38 DAN
I'm 6 foot three. I got this damn beard. I got long hair. I stand out for sure, but yeah, they wouldn't notice it like this, but yeah.
00:56:43 KEN
Sunglasses on indoors.
00:56:46 DAN
Even at midnight? Yeah, of course.
00:56:49 DENNIS
I'm going to look like a Hobbit standing next.
00:56:50 DENNIS
To all y'all.
00:56:53 DENNIS
No, no, she no, no.
00:56:59 DAN
Wendy's pretty short.
00:57:00 KEN
Yeah. When? When Wendy is.
00:57:02 KEN
Pretty short, I think she still has Nick though.
00:57:04 WENDY
I do. I do not by much.
00:57:05 DAN
Ohh I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure you do.
00:57:11 KEN
So so I have I have a few.
00:57:13 KEN
Different goals, the.
00:57:14 KEN
Podcast goal I have. I have 3 breweries that I really, really.
00:57:19 KEN
Really want to get on.
00:57:21 KEN
Or people I should say, because one of them is Charles Papazian, former president of the Brewers Guild. I want to bring on one day to hear every.
00:57:31 KEN
Being from kings and convicts, I want the Ballast Point story I want.
00:57:36 DAN
You know, man, that we.
00:57:36 KEN
Even if it's.
00:57:36 KEN
Just Ballast Point, I want the ballast point story.
00:57:39 DAN
Have we reached out to them?
00:57:40 DAN
At all, yes.
00:57:43 KEN
And last and lastly, I want to be able to one present some extra content for everyone here, including getting some stories about breweries that are no longer with us and why they are.
00:57:43 DAN
You ever hear, Pat?
00:57:59 KEN
No longer with us.
00:58:01 KEN
I have, I think there are plenty of stories.
00:58:03 KEN
Out there as to.
00:58:05 KEN
The the rise and falls of some of these breweries from and, and these are going to be more local to the Michigan folks here. That includes potentially talking with Bobby Mason MI Beer Company, talking with the folks at Seller Man's.
00:58:20 KEN
To hear. To hear that story and.
00:58:22 KEN
See what they're.
00:58:22 KEN
Doing there are Mark Larson over at falling down like.
00:58:27 KEN
There's a lot of things.
00:58:30 KEN
Both brewery owners and fans of beer can learn from these people and I want to.
00:58:35 KEN
Be able to tell.
00:58:35 KEN
That story, so that is.
00:58:37 KEN
My goal by the.
00:58:38 KEN
End of year nine. We bring you some extra content regarding that and and not to hark down as to why they failed or anything like that.
00:58:48 KEN
It's simply to again.
00:58:52 KEN
As we do with every brewery tell their story and hopefully people can learn from it.
00:58:58 KEN
So that is going to do it. We're going to take a break. If you're listening live for about 10 minutes, we are going to come back with the craft beer news. This is the first time I've ever done this. So no matter what you think of your beer, we think it's.
00:59:14 KEN
Better, oN dRAFT. Have a good night.