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From Courtroom to Catwalk: Jimena Suarez’s Vegan Handbag Revolution | Emily Blumenthal & Jimena Suarez

• Emily Blumenthal • Season 1

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What happens when an environmental lawyer trades the courtroom for the world of fashion? For Jimena Suarez, founder of From Sentient, it means creating vegan handbags that blend Mexican craftsmanship, innovative materials, and ethical values—without sacrificing style. Sixteen years after going vegan, she saw a gap in the market for beautiful, high-quality accessories that align with her values.

Her path took her from advocating for gender equality and animal rights to studying social entrepreneurship at Berkeley, where From Sentient took root. Today, her brand redefines sustainable luxury through thoughtful design and artisan collaboration.

Key Takeaways:

  • Desirability Drives Success: Purpose alone isn’t enough—people must want the product.


  • Innovation Takes Time: Like the iPhone, great design evolves through research, iteration, and patience.


  • Craft + Ethics: Partnering with skilled artisans transforms vegan materials into luxurious, culturally rich handbags.


🎧 Listen now for a story of innovation, ethics, and style converging in fashion’s future.

Our Guest:
 Jimena Suarez is the founder of From Sentient, a Mexican-based vegan handbag brand merging ethics with aesthetics. Formerly an environmental lawyer, she collaborates with artisans trained in traditional leather craftsmanship to create elegant, innovative vegan bags like the flagship Raíz (“roots”) collection.

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Host Emily Blumenthal is a handbag industry expert, author of Handbag Designer 101, and founder of The Handbag Awards. Known as the “Handbag Fairy Godmother,” Emily also teaches entrepreneurship at the Fashion Institute of Technology. She is dedicated to celebrating creativity, craftsmanship, and the art of building iconic handbag brands.

Find Handbag Designer 101 Merch, HBD101 Masterclass, one-on-one sessions, and opportunities to book Emily Blumenthal as a speaker at emilyblumenthal.com. 


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Speaker 1:

And I'm always very candid about this. Like we work with material innovation, we will get better in time. And I always compare our bags with the iPhone. Like the iPhone 1 was not the iPhone 16, right, like didn't have the same features. Like you require time for research, for development, for investment. You know we fund the training of artisans in Mexico for them to be prepared.

Speaker 2:

Hi and welcome to Handbag Designer 101, the podcast with your host, emily Blumenthal, handbag industry expert and the handbag fairy godmother. Each week, we uncover the stories behind the handbags we love, from the iconic brands and top designers to the creativity, craftsmanship and culture that define the handbag world. Whether you're a designer, collector or simply passionate about handbags, this is your front row seat to it all. Welcome, imena Suarez, to Handbag Designer 101, the podcast with the brand From Sentient as opposed to by Sentient, which is your website. You are from sentient as opposed to by sentient, which is your website.

Speaker 1:

You are from sentient and from mexico I almost feel like I'm by sentient by this point. You create a brand and then you live, breathe, eat and everything that you do and I'm sure you know this better than I do it's almost like as if it were directly created or emanates directly from the brand. So, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2:

From Mexico. Yeah, fabulous. I mean, hey, if you're going to use a preposition, use from over. Anything but welcome to Handbag Designer 101, the podcast. I am so excited to have you. You are one of our selected designers that will be at our it Bag X New York Now at the trade show that's coming up from August 3rd through 5th in New York City at the Javits. When this airs, it may be before, it may be after, but regardless, if buyers are listening, they should find you, and if customers are looking, they should find you also. So good, that's my plug for you. And if customers are looking, they should find you also. So good, that's my plug for you. I want to know cause.

Speaker 1:

I'm so excited that we're connected. Are your bags made in Mexico? So up until now, I would say about like 95% of our products have been made in Mexico. We have worked with Chinese factories in the past as well, who are also highly specialized, and I would say in my experience, they are some of the most specialized and technologically advanced when it comes to next-gen materials. But yes, 95%, and what you'll see at New York now is all made in Mexico.

Speaker 2:

So how did all of this come to be? Because, as everybody has their story of how they ended up starting a handbag brand, it was really an accident slash, necessity, slash, yearning, slash. What am I doing? How did this happen to me?

Speaker 1:

It's a good mix of everything. You just said Everything, and it's a very eclectic story. I'm actually an environmental lawyer and there we go, not at all from the design world. Everything kind of started when I went vegan around 16 years ago, didn't feel like the vegan space really marinated well with that aesthetic, beauty and sense of desirability that the fashion industry sells and that there was some some sort of gap between beauty and ethos and mission-driven brands and and often and I don't know if you can relate to this, but often mission-driven brands somehow sell themselves as like an NGO. It's much more about the mission than the actual product and the beauty of that product that is inherent to fashion. So I guess when I went vegan as a consumer, I was like oh, it's weird, it's missing swagger in a way, I don't know. It's missing this element of pizzazz like selling a mission, selling an ethos or a message.

Speaker 1:

And after many years working as general counsel to different organizations I mean I was a lawyer in areas, you know, that had to do with gender equality, reproductive rights, all the way from that to climate action, biodiversity protection, animal rights, from that to climate action, biodiversity protection, animal rights and everything led me to say I really want to do this. I want to try and see what it is to form a really strong and rich message curated within the language of the fashion industry. I do believe that fashion is definitely and I'm not the only one who says it. I think it's common knowledge that fashion is one of the pillars of modern society and one of the cultural pillars of modern society. Even political discussions are now being held within the fashion space. We saw Willy Chavarria's Paris fashion show and how he discussed everything that's going on with the ice rates and everything through the beauty of fashion, through the lens of creativity. So I think I wanted to take advantage of that and tell the world my message, what I wanted to sell and the problem that I wanted to fix.

Speaker 1:

And the problem that I wanted to fix was leather goods, the leather goods industry, what it was to create a great vegan handbag that would be a symbol of innovation, like the conventional PU, microfibers or even PVC, but with next gen materials, which is something complex. We can get into that. But yeah, that's how I got into it really. And the kind of extra nudge to forming this brand was studying my master's in law at Berkeley in the midst of like this whole ecosystem of innovation and social entrepreneurship and this beautiful political bubble that really favored creating something with impact. So I came back to my country with obviously a load of debt that I couldn't get rid of for many years to come and until I did, that's when I formed the brand. But I knew then that my path was as a startup founder, specifically in fashion, because of this passion I have for the arts and creativity, and that law was not really something for me, it just kind of led me there, that's.

Speaker 2:

I mean, listen, I would say your story is unique and different, but it's like everybody has this journey that takes them to what it was that got them different. But it's like everybody has this journey that takes them to what it was that got them there. And it's like I started my handbag brand while I was in business school. Like you know, kim stumbled upon an idea and then just ran with it. And you know the interesting thing about getting a master's other than you have to take a test to get into the school, which is a lot of training and studying. You have tons of extra homework that you're doing on purpose with the limited time that you've got, and it's forcing you to be very organized, very methodical, very responsible, very strategic. And then you come up with this idea for a handbag brand which makes no sense there's no training, there's no idea it's. You come up with this idea for a handbag brand which makes no sense there's no training, there's no idea. It's like you just get this yearning and you got to get it out of you, like, ok, I have this idea, I really should do this, and it's almost contrary to everything to who you are as a trained, responsible human being who got a secondary degree, like, ok, let me just find a factory, let me just make a sample, let me just dump a ton of money on making a sample. Okay, now I don't know what to do with this sample. Let me just talk to some people. Maybe I should like, I don't know, maybe a store will want to buy it. And then you bring it to a store and they're like I'm not buying this, you don't know what you're doing. What's a wholesale cost? What's a line sheet? What's this? What's your MOQ Like? What's MOQ? Are you MOQ? Yeah, and I think it's.

Speaker 2:

It's this journey that really creates this community of handbag designers, where it's like a bucket of I don't know what the hell I'm doing. To I'm creating something and I know I'm not going to let it go because it serves a purpose. And to what you were saying about mission-driven brands and I teach this that you can't be a mission-driven brand if you don't have a brand to support it. You need to have a product that will sell in order for people to care about your damn mission. So don't go telling me that you're saving the world if I don't want to buy your product. This is not going to do me any good and it's going to waste your time and mine.

Speaker 2:

So, especially with this new generation, with this new demographic who cares about transparency, will do the work, will do a deep dive on you, will even do you dirty if they find something they don't like. Having this kind of moral transparency is so important because that's part of your sellable tenants, that's part of your unique selling points. But it's not what you're selling. At the end of the day, you're selling a handbag that you want people to like and you want people to come back and buy another one. That's it. That is the baseline of creating a product.

Speaker 2:

What comes after is them loving you, loving your story, loving what you represent, loving all of that good stuff. But at the end of the day, someone walks by and sees your bag in a boutique. They're walking by and they're going to buy it. Either they like it or they don't. So it's just a very, very difficult, I think, thing to grapple with as a new designer, especially someone who has no experience designing or creating product. When you're trained in something totally, that makes no sense whatsoever other than the fact that I bet you can do a really good contract and you can check to see if your factory is doing the right thing.

Speaker 1:

That is so smart what you just said, because I think a lot of mission-driven founders get it wrong.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

And I think that's so smart, what you just said, because I got it wrong for a long time and I kind of wish this podcast had come like three years ago. You know they say it's never too late, so let's hope that's true. But I think the idea that your story will sell without a desirable product is something that, especially in today's world, is not true and it's a false idea that you give people that want to create something, whether it's in fashion or the food industry or the tech industry, whatever it is. I do think that it is so important to level expectations when it comes to the worth of like the story, and that's really painful because sometimes the story or the mission has to do with who we are and how we live and the values we live. That we breathe and eat, you know every day.

Speaker 1:

But it's true that leveling expectations on how much the story matters in today's world is ever more important, because I really do think that, no matter how much uproar there is against like fast fashion like I walked by one of the biggest fast fashion shops in the world the other day and it was full, you couldn't even walk inside of it and it's desirability, it's convenience, it's being, you know, on point with like, with you know tendencies and what's, what's the it style of the season or the year, and I think overcompensating your offer with a story is something I think I, if I could advise startup founders in any industry, but in the fashion industry specifically, because it's the one I know, I would say be careful, because there are there are a lot of mentors, a lot of books out out there that say that you're so much so much yeah.

Speaker 2:

It's crazy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, that's key and I've had to work on that a lot and that's part of, like, the disappointment of the road, understanding that people, as you say, people don't really care as much as you think.

Speaker 2:

No, no, it's funny. I spoke to one designer recently who said that they were approached by a consultant and I have it in quotes who said if you pay me $15,000, I will find you a factory, I'll work with you on product development, and you know what? The sun, moon and stars that were promised to her. And the nutty thing is, not only did she not have that money, but she was considering trying to figure out how to find that money, and it's, you know, the concept of being level-headed is out the window when you're creating something that you're passionate about. It's, you know, like everything's thrown out the window, like this logical, responsible person who has a very prestigious law degree. It's out the window because she meets someone who's like I can change everything for you. Oh, okay, sign me up.

Speaker 1:

Oh my gosh, okay, sign me up. Oh my god, it's been so many years and and I've spent so much time thinking that somebody would come along and somehow save me or show me the path, so much, and all of a sudden create this wave of like, abundance and prosperity with something that they did, and you come to the crude realization that no one is coming to save you. It's a process and it's a learning experience. I unfortunately fell for one of those consultants, not for that amount of money, but I did fall for a consultant that came from Italy to Mexico to give some lectures and then he kind of overpromised a lot of things. He actually ghosted me once I paid him to Yep.

Speaker 2:

Yep, yep, yep. I actually I had that happen with a showroom. So again, it's a rite of passion where we meet these people who are deemed experts in something, and then we think it's the panacea that they're the Jesus. They're going to one who's going to save me, save my brand. I'm going to go from nobody to somebody, overnight, all on this person, and then you realize, oh my God, they've made a business of finding people like me. I'm the easiest target known to mankind. Who knew and you know?

Speaker 2:

The interesting thing is going back to what you were saying about mission-driven brands. I think a lot of people tend to forget that if someone is shopping for a handbag and if you're lucky enough to have them come to your site, the last place they're going to go is your about section. I look at it because I'm looking for the designer. I want to hear the story. But people are looking for the product. They're going to look at the price, then they'll look at how it's made, what it's made, does it align with everybody's core values? Then they're going to check if there's free shipping and then, if they're smart, they'll check the return policy and then they'll go and check your about, because it's more about I want the damn bag and then maybe I'll find out about who made it and why. That's the hook. That's the 80-20,. The 80% of your business comes from 20% of your customers. That 20% will want to know you 80% could care less.

Speaker 1:

And I think a lot of like what we see on social media and like the success stories that we get to be part of just by reading, like this, an Instagram post or a TikTok video. We think that somehow, because people are able to succeed at a faster pace, that there's something wrong with us. But you can't skip the learning process and sometimes, like there are very few people that actually start a fashion company with a very clear aesthetic, with a very clear view of what they want, with a perfect product, for example and I'm always very candid about this like we work with material innovation, we will get better in time, and I always compare our bags with the iPhone. Like the iPhone one was not the iPhone 16, right, like didn't have the same features. Like you require time for research, for development, for investment.

Speaker 1:

You know we fund the training of artisans in Mexico for them to be prepared. These people are used to working with animal leather. They're not magicians, and skipping the fact that we have been producing with animal leather for thousands of years for different reasons, and the size of the leather goods market, and kind of like just brushing over that and thinking that you're going to bring in new materials and people will just adapt is one part that the ecosystem is kind of missing. So, like I, today, I woke up and you know, after I was having my coffee I'm listening to podcasts of, like intelligent women telling me not to check my phone when I wake up. But when you're a founder, you know, yeah, you get, get me.

Speaker 2:

Honestly, my biggest fantasy is to have an OOO email Like day job. People can do that. I've never been able to. That is like a big, hard dream of mine to have an out of office email and to not need to check my email 24-7. Because, honestly, when you run a business like this, it's all about-.

Speaker 2:

No, no, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And the thing is and I've spoken about this before that the brands that are on the track or aspirational for prospective acquisition or prospective funding or like angel investment or co-foundership or anything, they need to not be the only person involved with the brand, and if it's just you, you are not desirable to anybody to acquire you, because your brand is then not a well-oiled machine that can copy and paste without you.

Speaker 2:

If you need to be involved with every single step, then the time value of money of who you are to this brand ie means you're not getting paid enough for your time. So it's a long, long, long arduous process, especially with one that has incredible innovation, like yours, and is working with local people, is working with artisans, is being socially responsible, that's giving back to the community. And it's difficult to make these choices, to determine what kind of brand am I going to be, what am I comfortable with, what are my end goals, how much money am I willing to accept that I could potentially make and what are the things that I will sacrifice to get my brand from point A to point B. And it's not easy, especially, you know, again, going back to the fact that you have this great law degree that you worked so hard to get that the logical. You would probably tell the designer you that you're off your goddamn head.

Speaker 1:

Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely Like I. I always tell people that when I went vegan 16 years ago, it kind of made me lose my mind, but it made me find my heart, and I know that sounds incredibly cheesy, but at least it'll allow me to find like a true purpose what I live by and what I want to do, from a deep sense of like not pointing the finger at people, but creating, wanting to create something that can compete, that can be better, that can prove that there are other ways to do it right. So that became a sense of like purpose to me, right. But I know that through that process I I lost my head, because none of this is rational. Like this is not rational. Thinking like the amount of sacrifice, investment losses, a heartbreak, you know, god like mental health problems that arise.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I don't mean to laugh at that, but it's just God, we can all relate. I mean I can remember sitting in my old apartment surrounded by boxes that were not packed well enough, and I was printing out the labels and I ran out of tape you know the clear plastic tape and I just had, like I had a full blown breakdown like oh my God, I don't have tape, how am I supposed to close the boxes? How am I supposed to ship the boxes? How am I, like I don't have tape? And you know, to get to that point of having bags made to have boxes, to have labels, and it was the tape that literally pushed me over the edge and I just kept thinking like I might as well put myself in the box and ship me off and see where I end up. It might be better than where I am at that moment.

Speaker 2:

It's so challenging, especially with trying to even innovate. What are the materials that you're working on? Because, historically, plant-based leathers are very, very tricky. They usually need some sort of unfortunately animal-based product, whether it's the glue, whether it's the fusing. Because they're man-made, it's very difficult for them to guarantee the structure of the kind of product you're trying to make. So you kind of have to be open-minded once you find the material to determine okay, what is this bag really going to look like, because it might be different than what I've sketched.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

And that is so common. Like, for example, I was sitting with a colleague of mine. She has her own agency and she helps me. You know, we co-direct we're the co-directors of like our campaigns and we work together on creating content and marketing strategies and she was behind our whole rebranding strategy and she was like you should really make a bag like this. And I'm like no, that's animal suede. I need to find the right material, I need to do the right R&D, but at the top of my head, like now, I can tell you it's going to. It could take about a year or a year and a half to get that design. Like, for example, the bag that we have. Like I would say that's like our bestseller, like influencers, like magazines and like your hero bag. Our hero bag is this one. I actually have it here.

Speaker 1:

It's our name Rais from Roots, roots. Yes, I'm so glad you speak Spanish, it's going to make this conversation easier.

Speaker 1:

This is in olive vegan leather and we wanted I really wanted this flexible bag. I remember I went on my honeymoon and as I was planning my honeymoon, I was thinking I really want a large bag where I can fit stuff. And I love photography, I have my professional camera with me and I just wanted a bag. That was amazing. I love them, the different SKUs that they have. They don't all work flat design. You have to try them out and that takes dollars. That takes a lot of time, resources, and I cannot even mention the tensions with the factory and the artisans.

Speaker 1:

I'm sure Because they're not in my shoes, they're not vegans who went vegan and live by compassion to animals, and even the name of the brand speaks to the message I'm trying to give the world. Right, they're not there. So I also need to understand and make space for where they are and, as you said, like, you have to be very lean about your processes, because if you want to create a vegan bag, okay, so what kind of glue? And you already have attention there with the factory because you're creating a problem for them, you're rewiring their way of thinking and doing things. So it's like okay, so we have to find any glue.

Speaker 1:

Good God, woman, okay, fine, what reinforcements are you using? Wait, that is upcycled leather. You know how, like I don't know what the name is in English, but anyway, like this recycle leather that they and it's like the best reinforcement in the Mexican market. So to find other ones like recycled glass, fiber or even microfiber, it took a long time and it also depends geographically where you're at. You don't find the same suppliers, and I'm not saying that in a negative way against my country but it's true, the advancements.

Speaker 2:

No, it is the constraints. They exist, they just exist.

Speaker 1:

And not naming the constraints is actually detrimental to the effort that the factory and the artisans do and the work and the effort that I do. Yeah Right, because we're not Italy, we're not China, we don't have the supply chain that has been developed there, know, has been developed there for years through a whole industry and through a whole system that was dedicated to creating that supply chain. So finding those replacements is honestly something that can really make you and really push you to question, like how capable am I to do this, to go ahead with this mission? And it's not something that has happened once, it happens every week.

Speaker 2:

I have one more question Now. The fact is, when you are saying vegan leather that is a blanket term that nine times out of 10 refers to PU or polyurethane, or used to be known as PVC or polyvinyl chloride, which is a chemically made product in a factory. When you were referring to vegan leather, you were referring to something that's plant-based, made completely differently, made ethically. How do you grapple with trying to sell that without people thinking that you're one thing when you're absolutely not, I think.

Speaker 1:

I've come to accept that it's gonna take a long time for things to settle and for this information to be much more available and normalized, almost. And I'll give you an example. I'm a big storyteller, so everything turns into an anecdote. I'll give you an anecdote. I was invited I think it was last year, by this very prominent lawyer in Mexico who will remain nameless, by the way, as you do, and he's concerned about sustainability and environmental issues, and at the table was a local handbag brand that works with animal leather.

Speaker 1:

The breakfast turned into almost like I don't know. It turned into like this big accusatory process where he was just pointing fingers at me saying what you work with is plastic. You guys are tricking the world. A cactus, vegan leather. It's just, it's bullshit, it's I'm sorry for my French, but it's, it's just plastic. You know, and and I didn't really respond too much there, because you also have to choose your battles and know when and how to address these concerns and who will actually receive the message, because a lot of people aren't ready to receive the message but one thing that came to mind is that a lot of the brands that are trying to do better, like genuinely better and use innovation we all know that we are at the very dawn of things of the material innovation economy. Like this is just the beginning, right?

Speaker 1:

It's like, and it truly like. I, when I get invited to speak at events and conferences, I say you do remember what that Steve Jobs picture with that initial computer looked like? It doesn't look like the laptop that you have in front of you, right? Like it doesn't. It's going to take time. It's going to take time, but we do have to acknowledge progress, right? So all the leathers 100% plastic free? They're not, and sometimes, when they're 100% plastic free, there is a real challenge to keep manufacturing going and to keep the material at a level that it can scale and actually you know, supply the amount of manufacturers and brands that are out there that are trying to do something about the material that they use.

Speaker 1:

So I think I'm trying to be very patient and address this from a place that that I don't sound like a preacher, because I think also people get tired about that. As we said, like the story has to come in bits and pieces and it has to come in the right way and I want the product to speak for itself. Like I know that this, like I'm not the first one to create a flexible bag, like the last year's eight bag was a Brooklyn right, but like I tried to like by creating this bag. What I was trying to do is there's a way that we can reach that result. We can do that. We can create that handbag with just enough like research and really committed to that durability, to that quality. We can get there, but it takes time.

Speaker 2:

Oh, my God, I am so excited to see you and your bags in person shortly, august 3rd through 5th at the Javits, ximena. How can we find you? Follow you, shop your beautiful bags.

Speaker 1:

Please visit our website. It's by sentientcom, and you'll find two of our permanent collections there the Panthera collection and the Semide collection and they actually both are very mission driven. We have collaborations with two organizations, one in Mexico and one in the US. Other than that, you can visit us on TikTok as well by sentient, or Instagram by sentient. Just DM us, you know, give us your thoughts, follow us, just be part of the community. We appreciate that.

Speaker 2:

And how do you spell sentient?

Speaker 1:

just in case Good question Sentient spells out like sentient being S-E-N-T-I-E-N-T. Sentient.

Speaker 2:

Perfect, and it's by sentient E-Y.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Our.

Speaker 1:

URL yeah, it's by sentient, by sentientcom. And Our URL yeah, it's by sentient, by sentientcom. And our TikTok and Instagram accounts are by sentient as well. My God go you with TikTok?

Speaker 2:

I mean that's another conversation. Oh my God, Absolutely. And for those of you who can see, Ximena is laughing because she just gets it.

Speaker 1:

It's just all so much. The demand for content is just so much.

Speaker 2:

It's heavy, it's too much. Thank you so much for joining us. It's been an absolute pleasure.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for having me, for taking the time to you know, hear the stories of designers. You yourself are, you know, an expert at the matter of like how difficult and challenging this can get, but how beautiful the work is. So thank you. Thank you for absolutely for you.

Speaker 2:

Thanks for listening. Don't forget to rate and review, and follow us on every single platform at Handbag Designer. Thanks so much. See you next time.

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