Afternoon Pint
Afternoon Pint is a laid-back Canadian podcast hosted by Matt Conrad and Mike Tobin. Each episode, they invite a special guest to join them at a pub or microbrewery to get to know them a bit better. Conversations cover a wide range of topics, including Entrepreneurship, business, Arts, pop culture, music, science, society, Life stories, experiences, you get the idea...
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Afternoon Pint
Brian Doherty - The Backstory of The Old Triangle, An Iconic Irish Pub In Halifax (Musician, Pub Proprietor, Evans and Doherty)
There is a pub in Halifax that encapsulates the essence of Irish heritage and heart right in the downtown core. Join us as we have a Guinness with Brian Doherty, the charismatic proprietor of the Old Triangle, as he shares the pub’s rich history, from its humble beginnings to its 24-year standing as a community cornerstone. Hear Brian’s humorous and insightful anecdotes about early morning lineups on St. Patrick's Day, the importance of supporting local musicians & craft beers, and the challenges they faced during the COVID-19 pandemic.
In a nostalgic trip, Brian shares a glimpse into his migration to Canada as a musician, and the creation of the iconic duo Evans and Doherty (Kevin Evans & Brain Doherty.) Brian recounts his personal journey from performing six nights a week at a neighbouring Pub to opening the Old Triangle, reflecting on the ever-evolving ways music is learned and performed.
We also discuss Claddagh rings, Guinness's newer non alcohol option and the the celebration of life through living wakes, Brian offers a glimpse into his roots in Northern Ireland and the meaningful symbols that keep heritage alive. This episode is a celebration of the sense of belonging and community. Stay to the end of the episode to hear Evans and Doherty's fantastic song 'The Tavern'
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Speaker 2:Welcome to the Afternoon Point. I'm Mike Tobin, I am Matt Conrad, and who do we have with us today? I'm Brian Daugherty. Brian Daugherty.
Speaker 1:Well who are you? Well, it depends on what hat you want me to describe myself. I wear many hats, and one of which is a musician. I'm also a bartender. Well, that was a while back. I own the Old Triangle.
Speaker 3:That's where we are today actually, so we should say that. So we're at the Old Triangle downtown Halifax. You know just kind of we felt during this episode that the right thing to do was to drink Guinness. Yeah, so that's what we're doing.
Speaker 2:We're drinking some Guinness. We're all celebrating our Irish heritage in this very moment. I think that one commonality we all know we have is we all have Irish blood.
Speaker 1:We're all related through alcohol.
Speaker 3:That's right, so you are the proprietor of the Old Triangle in downtown Halifax.
Speaker 1:I am yeah, this is our 24th year, so next year we had great plans on our 20th anniversary. We thought it was a great marketing 20 in 2020. Of course, COVID put the bricks to that. We now have our 25 in 2025. That's a great deal. We'll probably do something special, barring there are no worldwide pandemics opening up. Again I've got to say, man, we always toast a beer at the beginning. There are no worldwide pandemics opening up again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I've got to say man, mike, I mean we always toast the beer at the beginning of this show and I just had my taste of the beer. It's fantastic, fantastic pint. Like the cold, it's Guinness but it's perfect.
Speaker 1:Guinness used to market their beer.
Speaker 2:Guinness is good for you and it is it's full of iron yeah, it is full of iron, it's full of iron, it is full of iron. It's a perfect beer, man.
Speaker 1:And very light beer. Actually, people think Guinness. They say they see the darkness of it and people think it's a very heavy beer. It's actually lighter than most beers. Calorie-wise.
Speaker 3:Calorie-wise it's lighter than a Coors Light. Yeah, Crazy Really.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it is. How many calories is a Guinness I?
Speaker 3:don't know, it's a four and a half percent beer, if you know the calories. You have a problem so the uh like honestly one of the cool things I think what people need to kind of know. But when you're coming to to halifax, the old triangle is honestly like one of, if not the go-to place for an irish pub in in downtown halifax absolutely so much so that you guys have a lineup at 7 am on St Patrick's Day. It's funny, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's an amazing and something that we don't organize on St Patrick's Day, particularly that one day of the year we just open up and hold on for dear life and try and get through it, because it is the one day that captures the imagination of everyone, whether you're Irish or not. And, uh, you know, thankfully we have four triangles now, one in Sydney, one in Moncton, one in Charlottetown, and that keeps the sort of uh the name in the frame.
Speaker 1:You know if people are visiting Halifax from either of those centres, they know the old triangle so they tend to drop by and say hello, that's awesome. I have to get a passport or something going you should get it stamped on everyone and give them a T-shirt or something if they've had a pint of Guinness. I must see Guinness about that. It might be a good marketing toy, yeah they should give you some money for it.
Speaker 2:You support that craft beer industry quite a bit here, you actually have a LCD screen on the wall there that shows all the craft beers you have. I think you have eight different ones on tap.
Speaker 1:I mean we love to support local craft beer. Local wines are very popular and they're very good, you know and they're a good product, so why not? It's good to support local because we're supported locally, so we like to reciprocate. They're good quality products, so why not?
Speaker 2:We're a beer-competitive province for sure, in terms of quality. I just had a family friend come up from Colorado. They were astounded by the quality of IPAs in particular that we had in Nova Scotia, the quality of IPAs in particular that we have in Nova.
Speaker 1:Scotia, and even the gins and the vodkas and the rums are all being produced locally. So we have a wide range of alcohol products. And you know what? We have as many non-alcoholic products as we have alcohol products. Have you tried?
Speaker 2:I need to know if you've tried this Brian Absolutely Zero percent Guinness. Do you like it? You know tried. I need to know if you've tried this Brian Absolutely the 0% Guinness. Do you like it?
Speaker 1:You know what? I'm not a big Guinness drinker, I'm more of a wine drinker. But you know what, when I would have, my wife loves it. The secret to the Guinness Zero is you have it before you have a pint of Guinness, because if you have a pint of Guinness and you have the Guinness zero, Doesn't cut.
Speaker 2:it Doesn't hit the same no.
Speaker 1:Have the Guinness zero first, or one or two, and then have a pint of Guinness and you'll really and I love their marketing for it because it was they said they took the alcohol out but left the Guinness in.
Speaker 3:That's pretty good. So, circling back to St Paddy's Day, there's an old saying that everyone on St Patrick's Day is Irish, except the Scottish. They're still Scottish.
Speaker 1:Well, the Scots are really Irish people who went somewhere more depressing weather-wise than Ireland, oh jeez.
Speaker 3:All right trigger warning.
Speaker 2:But do you?
Speaker 3:guys think you guys must have to get some sort of special licensing to be serving slinging beers at 7 am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we do, and I mean, the licensing is very strict in this problem across Canada really, but for that one day it's a national holiday in Ireland, so I think they allow it because they know it's a major celebration for the Irish diaspora. Yeah, and worldwide. Like Ireland's population hasn't changed in the last 200 years, they've remained around about six to seven million people. That's what it was 200 years ago. The Irish diaspora is 70 million strong around the world, so that's a huge market really.
Speaker 3:They spread around man, They'll claim anybody. It's the one time.
Speaker 1:We had Obama. He's got Irish roots, you know, and of course Joe has Irish roots, biden. It's the one time in the year or two when the Irish you know small country like Ireland has access to the most powerful nation in the world, the US, when the Prime Minister of Ireland is hosted by the President of the United States, and that's a huge. Not many people can do that on an annual basis and be guaranteed it.
Speaker 2:But yeah, Ireland gets it, you know. So, Brian, I want to go back a bit. So you ended up owning this amazing bar right, and you said you're a bartender and a musician. So walk us back. How the heck did you end up coming to own a bar in Halifax, Nova Scotia?
Speaker 3:Well, actually even further than that. How'd you end up in Halifax, nova Scotia? There you go.
Speaker 1:Well funny I came here in 1980 with a group called Barley Bree. We were a five-piece group At the time. We had TV shows with ATV as it was known then, oh yes, and we were on. I suppose we hadn't much competition back then because really it was ATV and CBC were the main two stations. There wasn't this mega universe of cable stations that there are today and we had a show that was running every Wednesday night at eight o'clock. It was prime time and it's funny my wife used to say when she was young she remembers the Barley Breeze show being on and right away at eight o'clock she'd turn the channel. But for the most part the show was widely watched and it created for us a great market around the maritimes and and beyond. So that was the beginning of it.
Speaker 1:But then a few years into that, after all the travel and I get, I wanted to develop um become an agent really for a lot of the ir Irish acts who were travelling here, because I knew most of the venues and I was very kindly offered the job of agenting for Tommy Macomb and Liam Clancy and the Clancy brothers A lot of the top Irish acts at the time.
Speaker 1:But in doing that myself and Kevin Evans would back up the acts that we were promoting. So in doing that, kevin and I would very casually get together and I would hire Kevin to come and play with me, backing up Tommy Macon, say, for example, and then Tommy would give us about 15 or 20 minutes in his show to his audience that we would go out and do so. Kevin and I said, well, let's get together, and I had no plans to do it, but we'd casually do it on the weekends and it turned into this year a 40-year career for Evans and Doherty as our musical entity. But for years we played in a place called O'Carroll's which is now a Royal Bank down in Lower Water Street.
Speaker 1:It was an iconic spot, you know.
Speaker 3:O'Carroll's. That was one of the places I couldn't remember. When we were talking about previous pubs, o'carroll's was one of my favorite places to go back when I was younger. The food was great. They did, in my opinion, the best French onion soup I've ever had that's right and they just like.
Speaker 2:what a great place to go and sit. I haven't had a French onion soup in years, man.
Speaker 3:You know what I liked about them and I know you guys kind of do a little bit of this is like they would have a small stage like you guys have here, and it felt more like a jam session. They'd have a band go up. No joke, I'm sitting there and I I requested, for there was a band that was playing there one time and I was like, can you guys play sam hall, because I love sam hall, great, great, like irish tune. Right, that might have been us you know, it wasn't you guys.
Speaker 1:I know it wasn't you guys.
Speaker 3:But I said I was like, can you guys play sam hall? And the the guy lead singer, and he was like I know it. He said but um, he's like, he's like I know the song, obviously, but he's like I don't know the lyrics really. And I was like what if I write them out for you? And he was like I know the song by heart and he said write it out for me. So I sat there and I wrote the lyrics out on a piece of paper and they played the damn song.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's how great O'Carroll's was Well nowadays, you know, in the modern era, if you come up, most musicians have a laptop or an iPad in front of them and they can just dial up a song and get the lyrics.
Speaker 3:This was before that.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. But now it's so easy now that access even for learning songs. I remember with an LP you put the needle on here two lines, lift it up and then put it back on and try and get it back to where you left off.
Speaker 2:I always wondered that how do you learn songs? How does a musician remember their entire discography? It must be. It's amazing. After time you put out 10 or 12 albums if you have a good you know, you eventually forget more than you ever remember.
Speaker 1:You know, but but it's funny, it's like riding a bicycle, you do. Once you start thinking about a song you haven't sung in years, it does come back. I mean, it's in there, it's been stamped on the brain somewhere.
Speaker 2:Well, the brain can remember an incredible amount of songs. If you think about it, it always sustains me. When I hear a song that's 20 years old, I'm like Jesus. I still know every lyric to this song I haven't heard in maybe 15 years.
Speaker 1:So there we were in O'Carroll's, playing six nights a week, every other week, for 15 years. It was an incredible way of learning the skill of performing on stage. And then we'd get to do concerts with the people, the heroes, our musical heroes, that I was able to promote as well. So we had both the concert stage and the pub stage and that gave you a great wide variety of material, because a concert is a different, there's a different dynamic when you're doing a concert from doing a pub night. Sure, and of course now, as the years went on, it was always our intention, like we'd always loved the bar business and O'Carroll's.
Speaker 1:When Jim O'Carroll retired and was moving back to Ireland, he did offer it to us first. Jim O'Carroll retired and was moving back to Ireland, he did offer it to us first, but at the time, you know, musicians, we hadn't two pennies to rub together and we couldn't raise enough money to do it, to buy it. So it was bought by someone else and around about that time we discovered that the Old Triangle location was available. The Old Triangle location was available and at the time we had about 14 fans of ours who were willing to invest in our concept of what we thought would be another great Irish bar in the city. Oh wow, and we still played O'Carroll's for a year or so after we changed plans.
Speaker 2:Well, the Triangle started getting up and running.
Speaker 1:And we played the Triangle as well. So we had a great city-wide tour for about a year or two years.
Speaker 2:For those who don't know, what does the old triangle represent?
Speaker 1:Well, you know, it's the hardest thing. It's easy to open a pub. It's the hardest thing to name a pub with a kind of you know, if you want to be creative. We got together with four major partners myself, jerry Guest, kevin Evans and my wife Cheryl. So we got together one day and we decided right, we're going to keep thinking about this. And, of course, a few scoops of beer helped. What was that?
Speaker 2:I don't know. This is your bar buddy. It happens all the time.
Speaker 3:I think that's ice being shoveled in. We oh, this is your bar buddy. It happens all the time. I think that's ice being shoveled in. We're used to a little noise in the background.
Speaker 1:We'll numb that it frightened me in the headphones here. I didn't know what was going on. I thought there was a waterfall happening here.
Speaker 1:But so we got together and we had, you know, a number of thoughts of what we wanted to call the place and of course, we had a myself and Shell had an old stone cutting of the Celtic knot, which is our symbol outside, and it has three points that are all connected. There were three rooms in the old triangle at the time and apart from my wife, there were three other partners, and three is actually a very lucky number in the Celtic world.
Speaker 2:So we looked at that Celtic knot and we thought that's kind of an old triangle and the square triangle did not sound great. That was the other reason. Right, Didn't cut it. Yeah, Didn't cut it, yeah.
Speaker 1:So there we were. And if you Google the old triangle, there's one other old triangle, I think, in the world and it's in Amsterdam. There's an AULD triangle in Dublin, but there are very few, I mean around, so you know many other bars that you see the names. There are dozens of them similar named around the world if you Google them. But if you Google the old triangle, I think we're the first ones to come up. Fantastic. So it was kind of fortuitous that we stumbled upon that at the time.
Speaker 2:It's an iconic name. I mean it feels iconic when you see it.
Speaker 1:And each room we name. The lower room where we have music is called Tigham, cioll, which is an Irish word for house of music. Okay, music is called tig and kyoel, which is an irish word for house of music. Okay, and uh, the middle room is the poor house. Yeah, you know p-o-u-r, yeah, as opposed to p-o-o-r and uh. And this is the snug up here where we're sitting and we're snug in these rooms. And snugs traditionally in ireland were places where women didn't go into bars, but there were always little rooms off the side of the bar where they could serve drink through a little portal in the wall and they were called snugs, so woman could go in there, not be seen drinking at the time. So that was the way it was. Then, of course, it's all of all, but this kind of captures a little bit of that, where people can come in and have private meetings and and enjoy each other's company.
Speaker 3:Record podcasts Away from and record podcasts.
Speaker 1:Yeah it's our third one, here, away from the racket of ice flowing into a bucket, that's right.
Speaker 3:So whereabouts in Ireland do you hail from?
Speaker 1:I'm from a place called Oma, which is right in the middle of the north of Ireland. Okay, I'm from a place called Oma, which is right in the middle of the north of Ireland, and it's a small town. It's about maybe 40,000, 50,000 people and it was a great town for music growing up and my father was actually the undertaker in the town and, as a consequence, as a youth, I went to more funerals than I could say. I had hot dinners.
Speaker 2:Seriously Because every week.
Speaker 1:There'd be a couple of funerals a week, but in going to these funerals it was a great place where I mean the Irish Wake is known worldwide for the Cayley. Yeah, I mean it's a place of celebration of the person who passed really, and they talk fondly about the corpse and the character of the corpse and of course then after a few drinks, which flow freely at the Irish wake, but if music starts and I mean you get caught up in the atmosphere of it all. So it was a wonderful, uh, it was a wonderful way of learning the love for music and hearing a lot of songs.
Speaker 1:He thought oh, I like that, I must go and learn that song.
Speaker 3:So my grandfather was very much fascinated with his Irish heritage. We talked about it. We both have clodder rings on.
Speaker 2:Describe that for our listeners.
Speaker 3:The clodder ring. We both have big gold ones, but you'll see hands and a heart and a crown. So the hand symbolizes friendship, the heart is love and the crown is loyalty. Points in towards your heart means you're taken, and when the heart points out, means you're not. So you guys are both taken, huh.
Speaker 2:We are both taken. Oh good stuff. Who took his?
Speaker 1:Liam Neeson, I will find you. I will find you, I will kill you.
Speaker 3:But my grandfather, he wanted a Cayley. When he was dying he had brain cancer, and when he was dying, he wanted a Cayley because, again, it's that celebration of life, right, and uh. The thing is, though, is my my grandfather was very much a planner and he said I don't want to miss out on it. So we actually had a kaylee a couple months before he passed away. Yeah, and he because he wanted to have a big thing. So we had irish music. Come in, oh cool. We had irish dancers yeah, had it in the community center in herring cove and we had this big thing. Actually, it was a huge snowstorm and hundreds of people showed up. It was just a blast.
Speaker 1:It's not uncommon. In Ireland they call them living wakes, people do prepare and we've had a few of them actually here in the Triangle.
Speaker 2:So to celebrate before you pass, yeah.
Speaker 1:Kevin used to play with a guy called Stephen Wainwright in a group called the Garrison Brothers, prior to him and I getting together and Stephen, who has passed since. But Stephen had a week in Marblehead in Massachusetts and all the musical friends gathered over a period of three or four days and he wasn't doing well, but he was there, he participated and two days later he was dead. So there you go, but got to have his last wish of a life.
Speaker 2:I think everybody deserves a good funeral before they die, just so they know they were loved. Good celebration of life.
Speaker 3:There was something I heard recently that said it was just like a little quote that I saw, that I loved it, but it said that we should be saying all the good things that we say to people at their funeral, on their birthdays, yeah absolutely and I love that right.
Speaker 2:But.
Speaker 3:I love the idea of a living wake. I think just, you know, celebrate the life and have a little bit of party and, you know, have a couple of points.
Speaker 1:As they always say, live every day like it's your last and someday you'll be right. That's right.
Speaker 3:That's right. So you guys are still playing here, aren't you? No, kevin, and I don't play Kevin lives in St John's, newfoundland.
Speaker 1:We still play, but we get together in the well in the summertime we do a lot.
Speaker 1:We play Kitchen Fest in Cape Breton, which is you know, seven or eight days all around the island and then in the fall we get together, we do a few concerts, yeah, um, around the october time. So we'll be doing something october, november this year, then in march of course we do a bit of a tour around and that's as much as we like to do now. I mean, it's, uh, you know, business has kind of put music in the on the sort of uh, the back burner. It's very difficult to travel and do the business and be here nowadays and of course, after COVID, the challenges of the food and beverage business are still a very fragile industry for most people who are in that industry.
Speaker 2:Can I ask if you have a recorded song that we could share at the end of this episode? We do that for other musicians now, actually Sure.
Speaker 1:We'd love to do that, no bother. So coming up at the end of this episode, what do?
Speaker 2:that for other musicians now actually, sure, yeah, we'd love to do that. Oh yeah, no, bother. So, coming up at the end of this episode, what song are we going to have?
Speaker 1:I'll give you one of my favorite songs, which I can't recall at the minute. I don't know which CD I have available here, but Just give me the best answer we've ever got.
Speaker 2:If we recorded it, we loved it, robert. If we recorded it, we loved it, robert, there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3:That's good, I like that. If we recorded it, we loved it. I guess let's see what we call this If we recorded it.
Speaker 2:If we have a guest on the show, we love them.
Speaker 1:Exactly 100% the same thing, the way it should be. That's right.
Speaker 2:My gosh.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's fantastic. So yeah, I mean, you guys obviously have the food and everything. I guess you guys are having acts and stuff. Is it Thursday and Fridays that you have music acts coming in?
Speaker 1:We do music seven nights a week in the Triangle. Seven nights a week and you know that was always our goal. We wanted music to be one of the main components of what the old Triangle is. You know, music, food, atmosphere and yeah, now COVID of course changed a lot of that for a while, but now we're back to seven nights a week and we have everything from the instrumental tradition to the song tradition, and then, you know, we have sort of the stock and trade sort of songs of the pubs.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course, stock and trade sort of songs of the pubs.
Speaker 1:They're not always Irish. They don't have to be, but not all songs that are sung in Ireland are Irish either.
Speaker 3:No, that's true. That being said, though, I think a lot of, at least here in Halifax, the Irish songs are very much ingrained, Absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1:And it's more than the atmosphere that they create within the bar. You know, and so we yeah, we're very lucky with that, and you know what? There's lots of talent around, lots of local musicians who are very, very capable of doing great shows, and that's a way and we're delighted we're able to hire them as well.
Speaker 3:No, they appreciate it. And I mean, I don't even know if I've even anytime I've come here. I don't know if I've ever paid a cover. You guys aren't turning a cover, no, we don't do that.
Speaker 1:You know, I was never a fan of that myself. I always thought like when I went out to a place, if I was stopped at the door and asked to pay before I go in you know, it was kind of a personal thing.
Speaker 2:I appreciate it now. I mean, in their defense they're trying to keep their doors open too right Of course, and everybody's doing what they can to survive. It's not easy, you know.
Speaker 1:And it's another way of generating revenue. Thankfully we were not in a position where we absolutely needed it. So if we don't need it, we'd rather do without it.
Speaker 2:I remember being in Alberta and I was shocked by that the first time I covered it. I'm like I'm just going there for a drink, what are you talking?
Speaker 1:about dude.
Speaker 2:But that was everywhere in Alberta.
Speaker 1:Now it's more systemic, but that was what he had 15 years ago and sometimes you know if you come into the Triangle, there's really only one room where you can hear well, where you can see the music. Would it be fair if people were up in the snow, having to pay a cover charge and not access the music?
Speaker 3:I honestly kind of think and maybe I'm completely wrong here, but I actually feel that not charging a cover charge, you end up getting more on the other end, kind of thing, right, someone?
Speaker 1:might have an extra beer, might get an appetizer or something along those lines, and funds are limited with people like me, so they're very selective about how they spend them and because of that limitation you're right you pay a cover charge you're not going to buy that extra beer, maybe.
Speaker 3:Maybe not. Yeah, so you're really selling experiences.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what we want. I mean, we want to create a bit of an illusion of what Ireland is like In our mind anyway and we you know by the decorations and by just how you know the menus and stuff like that. It's just transporting people back for a few hours, like and entertain them with that.
Speaker 2:I'm a big food guy too, so a little bit about the menu, like what are some of your most popular things here?
Speaker 1:So a little bit about the menu. What are some of your most popular things here? I mean, fish and chips is always the great go-to. We have a lamb shank. Lamb is very big in Ireland as well, but we do the, you know. We have vegetarian selection as well. We do a great veggie burger.
Speaker 3:Do you guys still have the Ploughman's lunch on the menu?
Speaker 1:Yes, we do, yeah, it's basically Irish charcuterie.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I mean you can walk me through the plowman's lunch real quick. What's that?
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, there's ham in there and there's corned beef in there and there's eggs in there. Sounds good. You know all the food varieties. Okay, I'm on board with that Cheese?
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's an Irish chicory base.
Speaker 1:Nice Salmon as well. We have a salmon board as well and we do it in-house here as well. We treat the salmon and stuff you treat the salmon in-house.
Speaker 2:We do. We treat it very well, yeah.
Speaker 1:Gets massages. You missed the massage room downstairs. We like to do the. You know you have the meat and the poultry and you use the fish and stuff. So it's a large menu and a large variety of foods, I think for everyone.
Speaker 3:Amazing yeah, it's awesome. No, it's a good spot, it's always a go-to spot, Like my folks try to come here every St Patrick's Day as well too. It's like their number one spot. Dad's trying to get down here early enough. I mean, like I said, you'll see pictures. There's no joke.
Speaker 1:The block is lined up before 7 am Every year. Yeah, and even on St Patrick's Day we don't have a cover charge either.
Speaker 3:That's also another huge thing, because a lot of places, because they take advantage of the fact that St Patrick's Day, people want to go out there and drink.
Speaker 1:People want to go out there and have a few drinks right. Never have, never will we hope.
Speaker 2:I think I'm going to take next St Patrick's Day off. I haven't done that in a while. You know what? I haven't done that in a while, and I used to.
Speaker 1:And it happens to be a Monday in 2025.
Speaker 2:Monday's my. There we go. Tuesday could be a difficult day. You don't want to have a podcast host your St Patrick's Day, do you?
Speaker 3:We'll come up.
Speaker 1:We'll stamp the hands of going in. As the day gets on, the podcast will get sloppier Sometimes. The sense that's right, Making sense of the finished product might be difficult.
Speaker 2:Do they got passports for St Patrick's Day Little bar passports if?
Speaker 1:you went around the city or something like that. There you go. They used to do it. You know when I think labatt's did it at one time where you would uh. You know if you filled out a uh got a stamp from each of the local establishments on st patrick's day and then you submitted that it went into a draw for, I don't know, a week at rehab or something I don't know, because they could promote an over drinking or potentially and you could get yourself.
Speaker 2:You know what here like honestly like it's.
Speaker 3:It's a like. I find, at least the times that I've been here on st patrick's day, that the culture has been like get in early and stay in here and, like you know, pace yourself, drinking all day and eating all day because people don't want to leave well, and that's the thing you know.
Speaker 1:And then really there is no big drinking culture anymore. People want to come in have food, have a few drinks and stuff, and that sort of belly-up to the bar culture doesn't exist anymore.
Speaker 2:It used to be like that, in fact, in Ireland, I mean, many of the bars didn't even serve food, but in recent years, if they've survived, they have have as much uh access to food as as possible well, as you know, I was saying this to matt before, but I went to, uh maxwell's plum one night and uh see, my buddy was playing saxophone and uh, you know the the kids out on a date that night. On a saturday night, we're drinking coffee yeah, right.
Speaker 2:So I think, and I was reading just recently that the younger age the the younger demographic are a lot less interested in alcohol.
Speaker 1:Well, that's why we have as many non-alcoholic cocktails, which are very popular as we have alcohol. But I think it's important that we have as much a variety to appeal to. But that was not a shame game either.
Speaker 2:No, not at all, but it used to be right.
Speaker 1:When I was younger it used to be like what do you mean? You're not having a drink. What's wrong with you when you have a?
Speaker 2:non-alcoholic drink, you get a blue cup or something ridiculous Like here wear this hat, you know wear this silly hat you goofball?
Speaker 1:But they don't do that anymore, right? A lot less shaming. I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 3:It is.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you can always come here and Well, awesome, you know what? Honestly, thank you very much for one my pleasure. This is our third podcast that we've recorded here.
Speaker 2:I've made it even more.
Speaker 3:Thank you for allowing us to host us here, and it won't be the last, that's for sure. Good so yeah.
Speaker 1:Enjoy the day, boys.
Speaker 2:And stay tuned because we have whatever song is Brian's favorite coming up next it's coming right up.
Speaker 3:Coming right up song is Brian's favorite coming up.
Speaker 1:Next it's coming right up, cheers, cheers, sláinte, sláinte. When the moon's on the water and the night's drawing in and you feel like a rum or a jigger of gin, I'll take you along To the Mariner's Inn, to the place where the sailor men gather. The old concertina plays some shanty song. They'll tell you the words so that you'll sing along and before the night's over, you'll feel you belong in the tavern that's down by the harbour. So lift up your voices and sway to the tune. The good times we cherish are over too soon. We'll find our way home by the light of the moon From the tavern that's down by the harbour.
Speaker 1:There's a ship's figurehead mounted over the door. She's heard all the songs and the stories before. She'd sooner be facing the wide ocean's roar, but she knows that her sailing is over. So she smiles all the while with her tongue in her cheek the thing she could tell if she only could speak how the tails of the sailors grow taller each week in the tavern that's down by the harbour. So lift up your voices and sway to the tune.
Speaker 1:The good times we cherish are over too soon. We'll find our way home by the light of the moon from the tavern that's down by the harbour there's an old man who swears he's been twice round the horn. Sailors aren't made, he said. Sailors are born. When the seas in your blood fall, the dangers you'll scorn, for the home of your heart is the ocean In the half-light. An old sea-dog Tells a sad tale Of a ship once was lost On the swell of a gale, and he vowed from that night that he never would sail, since his mates found a grave at the bottom. So lift up your voices and sway to the tune. The good times we cherish are over too soon.
Speaker 1:We'll find our way home by the light of the moon, from the tavern that's down by the harbour there's a lantern that squeaks as it swings in the hall, nets and harpoons and old ropes on the wall, and it's cosy and warm for the room. It is small and the candlelight dances and flickers and the sights and the sounds and the smells of the sea Set your mind stirring with things that might be Fewer, but younger and single and free To follow the dreams of your boyhood. So lift up your voices and sway to the tune. The good times we cherish are over too soon We'll find our way home by the light of the moon, from the tavern that's down by the harbour.
Speaker 1:So lift up your voices and sway to the tune the good times we cherish Our over. To soon We'll find our way home by the light of the moon From the tavern that's down by the harbor.
