Afternoon Pint
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Travis Lindsay - Why Comedy Means the World to Him (Comedian, Finalist - Canada's got Talent, former writer for This Hour has 22 Minutes)
Travis Lindsay is a career comedian that is proud to be doing the thing he loves most. We meet at Garrison Brewing to have a conversation about what it was like being a contestant turned finalist on 2024 Canada's got Talent. Though he didn't take home the grand prize, he was left with some incredible experiences and stories that he will be able to share for years to come. We also talk a bit of what day to day was like from his previous experience as a writer on CBC's 'This Hour has 22 minutes.'
The world of standup is not for everyone, but in this episode Travis shares why it means so much to him. We get into some recently popularized trends in comedy, such as crowd work, influences such as Chappelle and Louis CK and share some of our favourite 90's and 2000's sitcoms, and even a little about WWE wrestling.
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Cheers.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Afternoon Pint. I'm Mike Tobin, I am Matt Conrad, and who do we have with?
Speaker 3:us today. I'm Travis Lindsay. I'm a stand-up comic. What's up, travis? Ooh, not much guys.
Speaker 1:Not any stand-up comic Laugh clown.
Speaker 2:That's a nice way to start.
Speaker 3:Got you right off the top. It was two seconds and it's not got you. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4:Man oh man so.
Speaker 2:Travis, you had a big year in college. I mean, you've been on last. What was it? Canada's, canada's.
Speaker 3:Got Talent, canada's Got Talent. You were a finalist. Yeah, that got really close.
Speaker 2:I was cheering you on here to see one of Halifax's own up there Because I was falling in love with you and your grandma right at the same time, because it was a really sweet story. They were having to evolve into it and everything. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 3:No, yeah, that was a wild ride. I mean it's weird because it's played out over from March to May, so it seems like, oh, it's a quick three months. It was this time last year was when we filmed the audition. Oh, okay, you know. And then you wait, because even though we got yeses if you watch the show too, everyone that gets yeses does not even move to the semifinals. Yeah, from the however many yeses they give you, there's like 12, 14 semifinal spots and so like. From the 50 people that all made it through, we got whittled down to that it's not a big show, you know.
Speaker 3:And then I don't even know what the criteria is to go boo, boo, boo.
Speaker 4:You know, daniel Powder was auditioned I know, I saw that the guy that sings Bad Day, oh really.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3:He was on and he got yeses yeah but he didn't make it through to this time, wow so he just showed up.
Speaker 1:It's not even to shut up for fun. He, because he has, he's a one-hit wonder, like yeah, like that's one of the greatest one-hit wonders, right, and it's like a freaking american that song's a one-hit wonder song. You had a bad day, that's the song that american idol used for like 13 years. I had no idea dude's probably making royalty upon royalty, royalty checks, but that's all he's known for.
Speaker 3:You know the worst part is, though, is when he does have a bad day he can't leave his house he will hear that song.
Speaker 2:I was in the dollar store two days ago and I heard that and I was like oh, once he got the email being like hey, you break up with a girl.
Speaker 4:You're driving home, the radio's playing yeah, so I think he went on it.
Speaker 1:I think he went on this because he's a Canadian artist and he went on there to restart his career.
Speaker 2:Which has happened.
Speaker 1:I've seen it on American.
Speaker 2:Got Talent.
Speaker 1:American Got Talent had a guy on there. I wish I could remember his name, but I remember he was a comedian on Just for the Last of Us in 1999.
Speaker 3:And he did the same act.
Speaker 1:The Star Wars. I know his name.
Speaker 3:I can't remember his name, but I saw that he did the same act that he did in the Star Wars. Yeah, I know his name.
Speaker 1:I know his name too, I know I can't remember his name but I saw that he did that act and I was like dude did this in Montreal, like 24, 25 years ago I know, and he went on there and just did it again and I'm a little surprised that Howie Mandel like didn't know that. I'm sure he probably did.
Speaker 3:Probably how he did, I don't know he thinks he's seen so many people.
Speaker 2:He has.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but I mean in that time frame if he was working how he was working, how he was working the clubs. They would have crossed paths. This dude is like a working comic. That's the thing about the comics that go on this show. They're like working comics, but being a working comic still means a million dollars would be real, real nice. It's 100%, 100%.
Speaker 1:But that's the thing though. But I find the biggest fans of comics are other comics. Yeah, they're all in this tight little circle and when you're in stage you're seeing a lot of the same people at the same clubs. You're rotating around at the same time. Maybe you probably even travel together right Things like that right, Just keep costs down oh absolutely so I mean it makes sense, yeah. So I was a little surprised he didn't say like wait, I remember you, he probably could, he probably edited it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and they would edit it out, because the thing the story is, of course he's this comic that's been working so hard, so hard, you know, and now here's his big moment, after all these years, right, having a JFL, having a classic JFL, one that's played in the highlights, the compilations the best of moments.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. Yeah, because he was a finalist, I think in America.
Speaker 3:Yeah, he made it pretty far. I mean, what's his name? Michael Winslow, the guy from the Police Academy movies.
Speaker 2:Yes, he was in America's Hotel.
Speaker 3:And they were like you know, he did his audition and then they did that thing. Oh, they kind of oh wait a minute, I know you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, I always thought that stuff was like plants though.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I guess the thing is, he left Hollywood because his wife passed.
Speaker 2:He had a whole story. Man. Family Matters is a show that doesn't get enough love going back. That was such an important.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, Not Carl Winslow, not Reginald Bell Johnson.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:I know Winslow's show, michael Winslow from the Police Academy.
Speaker 4:Who does all those sound effects? The black guy does all the sound effects.
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm, he does all those sound effects, the black guy does all the sound effects.
Speaker 2:Okay, yes, I've really been a fan. I'm a younger guy, I guess.
Speaker 1:That was the show I grew up with. Amazing Reginald Val Johnson is awesome. He's doing Dancing with the Stars.
Speaker 2:I never really watched Police Academy. No, I never really watched either one of them. I know who you're talking about that wheel guy, yeah, talking about that wheel wheel guy, yeah.
Speaker 1:Hightower was my favorite character.
Speaker 2:Hightower was the best. He was that giant.
Speaker 1:Frankenstein guy kind of thing. He was huge, strong. They made like six or seven.
Speaker 3:I think the last one. They go to Russia Really.
Speaker 1:I did not see that. I think I saw the first four. Anyway, back to you.
Speaker 2:That was a segue. So yeah, you were saying so this, like it was like a you know this time of year, kind of year-long process, to really kind of get it done. Yeah.
Speaker 1:So did they host those things here Like did you originally?
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, no. I flew out to Niagara. Okay, so they did.
Speaker 1:Like even the very, very, very, very start is all in Niagara too. It's all in Niagara. It's not like American Idol, where they scatter around or anything like that.
Speaker 3:No other than you know when you sign up to audition, be like you know, for consideration. Right, I did that for my laptop and phone, but Okay, other than that, it was.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was you out or did you fly?
Speaker 3:out when you go to audition, it's all on you, okay. So it was kind of like a betting on me. Yeah, of course, kind of thing and honestly, I never thought I would do something like that I was like that's not my fit. This is not the right Right yeah, you know, I can do clean comedy, I can do corporate comedy, that's fine. I also don't want to pass that off, as that's my main thing. I don't want people to come to a show and then be like mortified that the guy that loves his grandma has a very wide vocabulary.
Speaker 4:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:And again, I'm not like a filthy, I'm not dice no, but. I can clean up my stuff, but I use all the words that are out there. You know I like to talk about everything and if people are cool with that, great. I just don't want anyone to. I don't want to misrepresent myself.
Speaker 2:A challenging set for a comic has to be a clean set. Yeah, there's so few that can do it and do it well, yeah and that's the thing Do it clean and do it where I'm still me.
Speaker 3:do it clean and do it where I'm still me.
Speaker 2:I don't want to just be doing an impression of a clean comic.
Speaker 3:The whole point of my act is it's just me being me up there. It's the only place I feel like I can be me, so I don't want to compromise that, and when I do compromise, that's how I always end up. Regarding it.
Speaker 1:There is probably something really freeing about being on the stage and just being able to kind of say whatever you want. I know there's always people who are mad about things, but the fact is that when you go on a stage, you can kind of say anything and people are like, well, it's an act.
Speaker 4:It just has to be funny, it has to be done well, yeah, of course Didn't work out good for Kramer.
Speaker 2:No, it didn't.
Speaker 1:But you know like, but if I could Say you decide to go and do your act like right there on the sidewalk.
Speaker 4:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it might not be taken as comedy or you might not be able to say the things that you're saying. No, I could speak Just simply based on location.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, absolutely. There's a weird chemistry to. I've done comedy in this room, I've done stand up, but then and it's been set up two different ways, and when it's set up one way it's definitely better than the other there's a weird science to stuff, um, but it also has to do with the example.
Speaker 1:It just the location allows people to understand that sometimes what is being said is not always real and it's okay to laugh.
Speaker 4:Well, it's context and it's okay to laugh.
Speaker 3:Well, it's context, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's context. So I mean you can go in there and you can say certain things that might be edgy, dark humor. Whatever you say it on stage, I'm sitting there going like this is an act we're supposed to laugh, of course. Yeah, versus, if you say it on the sidewalk, I'm sitting there going like whoa, that dude's messed up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, of course there's some guy ranting on the street. It's some kind of performance art.
Speaker 1:Could be that too.
Speaker 3:There's layers to everything. So it must be really kind of freeing to be able to just go on stage and just say, yeah, it is, it's freeing, but it's still scary.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, because once it's out there freeing it but it's still scary.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, like you know, because once it's out there, it's still. There's still things I need to work myself up into feeling confident. I remember when I tried comedy first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my hands were shaking I never really had that problem, yeah, until I got on yeah I've been on stage before doing other things, but comedy was a whole different bit, yeah it's like there's no one else for the my balls to look at yeah, you
Speaker 3:know they're looking at just you, for a second, it's you, and if you mess up it's you, it feels really real so my hands were shaking.
Speaker 2:I couldn't remember my jokes.
Speaker 1:So I'm reading them off.
Speaker 2:A piece of paper, line for line.
Speaker 1:Thank God, people thought that was hilarious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah yeah, I got lucky right. I just read them dry as shit and normally, but that's why I kept doing that until I stopped. I was like oh, that worked.
Speaker 4:Okay, I'll do that again.
Speaker 2:Yeah, eventually it was shaking a little less, but like man, and then like the locations too, right, yeah, oh, absolutely the second time in a comedy.
Speaker 3:It was like we got you booked at this place, man, and like there's a family eating their dinner, like three feet away from you, that You're a comedian, I know and you're standing like right there looking at them like making jokes and it's insane how much someone can hate someone who's? Trying to make them laugh, yeah.
Speaker 2:It's the weirdest thing in the world, Like if I went up and was like it's like the worst salesman of all time that just showed up at your doorstep.
Speaker 3:I could like hit on some guy's wife and he would be less annoyed with me if I, if you know, if I wasn't funny like yeah, right if I wasn't funny. You know I'm like this guy sucks. Oh, he's like I've never. People hate you yeah what if they don't find it's the weirdest thing in the world?
Speaker 1:I get not being like, yeah, that guy's not funny so you're the kind of type of comedian that likes uh likes a little light heckling, kind of like enjoy that a little light heckling. Kind of like enjoy that a little bit, because crowd work seems to be the thing right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't, I don't like it. I don't. Yeah, I don't like it. Ever I don't. That doesn't mean I get annoyed when it happens, because I know people are Like I get what it, like it's going to happen. I do understand that. But if you're someone who also knows that, then you know that you don't need to do it. If you're someone who sincerely doesn't know and you're like I, just like to it happens, it can create something funny. I used to think it was good when comics would post those clips because it wasn't burning the material. That was always my big thing with online. I hated when people were posting you want to post topical stuff, of course, because that's going to get dated and whatever. Keep that. And I was liking crowd work stuff. But then it became people started starting to do stand up and getting into stand up and just start doing crowd work I don't think it's that funny.
Speaker 2:I don't think crowd work's always that great. When you get behind the guys, well, it's going to be hit or miss, because again, it's not, you're just promoting arrogance. Sometimes You're watching someone try something for the first time.
Speaker 1:You and I watched Jimmy Carr bomb trying to do crowd work Honestly, and generally he does pretty good, but when Jimmy Carr was here with Jim Jeffries, jeffries crushed it.
Speaker 2:Like Jeffries was so good.
Speaker 1:But Carr kind of fell a little flat and I think it's more like maybe it's because it's his big arena and it's like he got people texting it in as opposed to, just, like, you know, some people in the front kind of showed it.
Speaker 2:They had people yelling, but they were just saying such dumb things.
Speaker 1:That's the other thing too.
Speaker 2:It was really really dumb, that's what you're at the mercy of when you engage that it's not like maybe I'm great the chances you're going to get an intelligent person in the audience as sharp as you are, right on the same level, that can walks with you. Yeah, he's like low really low right you've been doing this every night, yeah, you know, I just I'm like so against heckling and all this stuff, like hey it happens yeah but I think it's a. It's a. It's an unfortunate byproduct of uh of of comedy, and I don't think it's actually great at all yeah, I, I, I don't.
Speaker 1:I've never heckled a comedian. I don't think they ever actually great at all. I've never heckled a comedian and I don't think I ever really would. You may not get a laugh out of me or something like that, but why go in there and try to ruin someone's night, ruin someone's, throw them off even?
Speaker 3:more. Yeah, when you go in and you're like I'm going to show this guy, that kind of stuff is real annoying. I don't mind, Even if I didn't enjoy it, If I said here's yours.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't be like boo or like this sucks. Yeah, like I wouldn't do that.
Speaker 3:That's usually like middle-aged women.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:Middle-aged women. You'll get a lot of like next. Really, wow, yeah, and you're like that's not.
Speaker 2:And do you think it's because there's just been too many drinks and stuff?
Speaker 3:Of course I mean you know, yeah, like, yeah, yeah, got like. Guys will try to be as funny as you. Yeah, right, I.
Speaker 4:Finally, older women will like try to like shut it down move on, wow okay, like like before, there is a problem.
Speaker 3:Well, there's a real, which which is like terrible for comics because now I go well, now I want to dig my heels in.
Speaker 1:Right Because.
Speaker 3:I find you hilarious. Right that you thought that was going to next, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, now how about? Like, do you watch Keltoni?
Speaker 3:I check clips every now and then yeah, yeah, yeah, but I don't see that much live.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's a real like amateur comedy, like there. That's like all the amateur.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:People don't know what it is, it's basically, I think it's the most popular live podcast now in the world.
Speaker 3:There's a comic from here who was on it, malia, who, yeah, his name's Van Dad.
Speaker 2:Okay, when was he on there?
Speaker 3:He was on a little while. I don't know if he'd want you to watch his.
Speaker 2:Did he get tore up there to it? So they get one minute to speak and then they get pretty much eviscerated by a few other comics is what happens and I can't stop listening to it. But at the same time, I can't believe how many people get up there unprepared, thinking that they're just going to murder with this subpar boner oh, I can. I see it every long time why would you even who'd you talk to before you left and did this like who?
Speaker 1:I just don't get it, yeah, but that's the same thing with people who go on like American Idol and think they can sing and they might be one of the worst singers like it's not even like. It's not even like you who just sang that like bad day song and you're kind of like, okay, not a singer, but didn't destroy my eardrums. And some people go on there and you're like you are awful and probably shouldn't talk, and yet those people are brave enough to go on there and sing in front of a million people, because you do have to have that in you to do any of this.
Speaker 3:You need to have you, so you get my credit right away for even going up. Even if it's oh, you get the. Even if it's delusion, you went up there, which is so much more than a lot of people. A lot of people don't want to get pulled up from the crowd at the buskers to just hold a toonie or something.
Speaker 4:See what your name is.
Speaker 3:It's one of the biggest Anyone that gets up there to try anything automatically good for you.
Speaker 4:Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:But yeah, there is such a weird deletion with some people, so outside of the heckling though?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Because the crowd work outside of heckling is now a trend.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a trending comedy.
Speaker 1:Matt Rife seemed to really kind of blow it up and I mean I'm kind of wishy-washy on him a little bit. He has some so-kay stuff, but I watched his special and I was just kind of like this dude has no material if no one's talking to him right. There's another guy and his name's Escapeman. My wife absolutely loves him. He does a lot of crowd work. It's all he posts, but I actually find it really good.
Speaker 1:It's pretty wholesome for the most part yeah I wish I could remember his name, uh, anyway, uh, I think he's like an italian, like american guy, okay, um, but fantastic crowd work, like he just goofs around with people, he actively goes in there and like it seems like the audience does love it, like when it's true in those warm environments all kind of
Speaker 3:chuckle yeah, and if it's welcome, then you know yeah, I mean yeah, it's part of a show. Like it makes an audience feel like we're not just up there phoning it in and they're being part of a real moment. It's great in a live yeah audience. Uh, what's being now is it's being so oversaturated and it's being forced, as this is what stand-up is, that's true is right it's making it. It's making people that know comedy from before it blew up like this are getting resentful when they see crowd work. I think that's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah and that can fuck up a show because you know sometimes crowd work is like a way to sneak in new material, or it's a way to figure out a segue into some shit, or add, you know it, there it has its purpose yeah yeah it.
Speaker 2:I don't think it can be the whole meal, though. Comics, like you know, norm mcdonald man like people that just owned their own material and their own joke, you know yeah like and just you know, you just went somewhere else for a minute, yeah holy jesus, how did I do that?
Speaker 4:yeah, absolutely how. And just you know, you just went somewhere else for a minute. Yeah, yeah, holy Jesus, how?
Speaker 2:did that guy do that? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. How did he tell that joke?
Speaker 3:You've got to have jokes.
Speaker 4:You've got to you know there's got to be a setup. Where did that?
Speaker 3:come from. There's got to be a punchline in there somewhere you can't just rely on. I got snappy comebacks. Great, go write on a sitcom.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, and that's the thing. A lot of them are writing A lot of stand-up comics and stuff like that to get by and everything are writing yeah.
Speaker 2:And you were writing with CBC. That stopped this year.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That sucks. Yes, it does. Yeah, no, it really does.
Speaker 2:And how is CBC doing right now with 22 Minutes? Do you feel like they were just kind of turning over or kind of?
Speaker 3:You know, I don't know, I thought it was going fine. I mean, we had just won the screen. The writers just won the Canadian Screen Award this past summer, so this was like the first year I was like, oh, I probably got a job. Yeah, no idea. They just said you know, I got an email saying they didn't have the resources.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 3:That's what I was told.
Speaker 2:That's brutal yeah. So, yeah, yeah, so yeah it sucks.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, it does suck, I mean with 22 minutes. I mean I imagine with shows like that, as time goes on, production like kind of does start to get a little bit more expensive, I can imagine, because they have to keep rolling and being fresh and new, and this show's been on for I don't know what 30 years or something yeah, this was season 30, uh 32, I think.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, 32 yeah.
Speaker 1:So I mean, it's like I imagine like first year, when you first kind of launch a show like this production. Production doesn't have to be too big, it can just be kind of funny little things. You get away with a staff of six or something in terms of on screen or whatever.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but now, I know very little about the writing room of 22 Minutes.
Speaker 1:Is it?
Speaker 2:akin to the writing room of SNL, where the rumor that you're in six nights a week.
Speaker 3:No, it's definitely not that crazy.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 3:Monday is show night, tuesday is when we have our meeting to brainstorm ideas for writing. Wednesday is when we do our table read of our sketches and pick them. Thursday and Friday is shoot, and then weekend is punch up and whatever. It's not too insane.
Speaker 2:Not too intense. You know from a writer's perspective, and how many writers did you guys have on the show?
Speaker 3:It varied. I mean, you know, there's a group of us in the room and then there was some in Toronto.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 3:So most of them are like from Toronto. Oh yeah, so most of them are like from Toronto. Oh okay, I mean now that a lot of people moved back around the pandemic. There's a few yeah, there's more people that live here that are in that room. Well, that's better though. I mean when I started, I was the only guy that lived here.
Speaker 4:No way Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah, holy smokes. Yeah, I lived here all year.
Speaker 1:That's crazy, yeah jeez, yeah, because I would think like writer's room, like when you get together, you know someone starts with something, you know how things snow, even when you're with your buddies and stuff like that like things snowball and get bigger and whatever yeah not be that much different so I think it's better.
Speaker 2:But is there also like competitiveness and stealing and all that kind?
Speaker 3:of no there's. I mean, that's the worst part about not working there anymore.
Speaker 4:There's your head, you throw.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I'm not a big social guy outside of. If I'm not forced to be in a room with people I'm not proactively like let's hang out. As much as I would want to, I'm just not. That's not who I am.
Speaker 1:Do you think that's normal for comedians?
Speaker 3:No, I think that's normal for guys who are autistic.
Speaker 1:All right, fair enough. That's fair, but I wonder sometimes if that's typical, because you've got to turn yourself on right when you're in front of a show. When you're in front of people as much as you're in front of sometimes, hundreds, thousands, whatever, you're really alone. You're on that stage, right. You're not really with a bunch of people when you're up there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, to a degree I feel like that and I don't feel like that at all. At the same time, Like when I'm up there, I feel more connected than I ever do. Okay, Off stage is when I'm in the void of you know life and I feel like I'm in limit. Like this, like a one-on-one conversation, you know, is 10 times more scarier than being on stage, oh yeah when I'm on stage I get a room.
Speaker 2:So I'm a little different there, because right now, like these, are the times where I feel the most connected yeah, smaller conversations put me in a house party. I just just want to leave for five minutes, yeah.
Speaker 3:And I'm kind of like that too. Yeah, in like a host party situation. If you know, I do like to people watch and kind of observe, like sometimes I just like being in the room, yeah, and people think like, oh, you're not having a good time to be here and enjoy everyone's company.
Speaker 2:I'm listening, yeah, if I have something. Hey, man, you want to go get some hot dogs or something? Yeah, and if that idea pops in my head, I'm like, then I'm ready to go, let's do it, you know but I'm, I'm pretty go with the flow.
Speaker 3:In that sense I don't I like being around people. Yeah, I don't like being around people and expected to have to perform beyond imbecible. So you know, people that take me as I am is where I'm, you know where I'm at my happiest and stuff.
Speaker 3:But yeah, being on stage, though, that's where I feel like, oh okay, I'm not crazy. People are laughing at this stuff. You know, either they're laughing because what I'm saying is silly and they're still accepting my quirks, or they're laughing because they 100% relate. So it means I'm not totally alone out in the world.
Speaker 1:It's just how did you find comedy?
Speaker 3:I've always liked comedy. I've always liked putting on little like performing that Conversations and stuff have never been my strong suit, but I could If I had a mask on, I was doing a character or I like to be creative and outwards and that and laughing it's like it's just, it's a response, you can't mistake, okay. Like I'm like okay, you're laughing, so it's good.
Speaker 1:It's good. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's you know it's got to be good. I mean, obviously there are certain laughs that you can tell but even then you know. So I have a hard time, I think, reading people. But I know what a laugh is and I know what a laugh means, so I really hone in and really try to get that reaction, because I know that's a good sign and that's how they like me and it makes me feel less insecure and, yeah, I've always enjoyed making people laugh.
Speaker 2:Let me ask you this, as a guy that tried comedy and ran away from it pretty quickly yeah, Okay, Like how many times do you just want to say fuck this and just hang it up?
Speaker 3:I mean it's happened like. I mean it happens a couple times. I mean there are moments where you're like A couple times a day, a year, a week.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I'm just kind of wondering how you feel sometimes. I mean, you've had ups and downs. You're still a great comic, despite not winning. Canada's got talent. Yeah, mine are sporadic, yeah.
Speaker 3:Mine are sporadic, definitely this year there have been points and there
Speaker 2:have been days where I've definitely thought you know, I've had it pop up more than usual 100%.
Speaker 3:But you know, I also quickly realized how unhappy I am. You know, I have a very clear memory of what 2020 was like and not being able to do stand-up.
Speaker 4:It killed you.
Speaker 3:I was going nuts. I didn't realize how bad I needed it until I met you or I've seen you perform before 2020 you were doing fantastic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you were really moving around.
Speaker 2:I think you were working on a special at that point or something probably yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Once the pandemic happened and my buddy died and then I couldn't do comedy which would have been the thing I would have jumped right into after he died right, I would be like, oh, this is you know. Then I couldn't get on stage anymore and then it was like the first real show I did in front of people back, which was a backyard show yeah, I, I, I got off stage and I, I walked down the driveway and down the street and I almost started like crying.
Speaker 2:It was like yeah.
Speaker 3:I had like scratched like such an itch, like it was such a pressure release of like cause I was, you know, even though you're like, oh, things are coming back, things are coming back until you do it, there's the, that fear was there, that, oh, I'll never get on stage again. I didn't appreciate it when I had it, and just to even be on someone's back deck for 15 minutes just riffing and seeing if I can even remember how to do stand-up was the best. So anytime these days when I think about screw this, I go. Then what? Yeah, if you're not happy doing this, you know how unhappy you are when you're not doing it. Right, that's a good point. If you're going to be bummed, might as well be a little less bummed.
Speaker 2:A little less bummed, pushing what you're doing. Just keep showing up how are you feeling these days about getting up? I mean, I know it's been a bit of a tough year being real, yeah yeah, yeah, but today look we all want to win these things, just like I want to win the.
Speaker 1:Coast nomination for our podcast right.
Speaker 2:Every little tiny victory means something to a comic or an artist, no matter who. You are right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:no, it's better. You know, some days are better than others. Some days I'm like you know, you feel like at a standstill. I'm almost at doing this half my life.
Speaker 1:I was almost going to ask you when you started doing it 16.
Speaker 3:16, okay yeah yeah, that's pretty soon. I'm 32, now 32?.
Speaker 2:I started January 20thth uh 2009 you're not lying about your age for 30, no, no 32 I'm just teasing you no, I know
Speaker 3:I'm 32, I know yeah what was your first gig uh, high school talent show ah okay, yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's when you kind of get that itch right.
Speaker 3:You're like hey let me give it a shot. Yeah, because I didn't care I won. I was just like oh, this feels right. Yeah, and I was like oh, I don't. I've never really felt that before. I was like it just felt. I was like oh, I know what I'm doing up here. I think this is my I. I just knew right away. I was like oh, this is my thing.
Speaker 2:It's obvious. You feel like that this is what you're meant to do and you're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, keep going out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, nonstop.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's how I communicate with people. Like I can't you know, unless we're talking wrestling or Disney, I can't get many fluent thoughts and coherent thoughts out of my head but when I'm on Disney, you mean Marvel or just Disney, all of it, all of it. I mean like Star Wars, that's the problem, it's all of it. We've been hanging for a while. Yeah, we've been doing that and you like wrestling.
Speaker 1:I like big wrestling okay, so you grew up. I'm not a wrestling fan anymore, but I grew up like 80s, 90s early 2000s wrestling fan. Yeah yeah, that was definitely like my jam right.
Speaker 4:I still have those wrestling.
Speaker 1:Remember those wrestling buddies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah of course I still have them.
Speaker 1:Oh, right on, so my three-year-old son actually still wrestles with those, oh, hell yeah. Like quite literally, like whatever it is like 30 years later.
Speaker 3:That's awesome, that's great. Yeah, so I save them who's? Your wrestler? It's always a hard question. I literally am a when I say fan, I love it all. I love bad guys, I love good guys, I love the art of it.
Speaker 2:I'm a bad guy for the most part Heels are always more interesting.
Speaker 1:Whether I like a superhero is how much I like his villains, Of course they've got to have someone interesting to counteract. But when it comes to wrestling, I'm a little bit of both there, because I mean, on one hand it's like I'm a huge Bret Hart fan.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Bret's, yeah Right.
Speaker 1:Bret's, one of my, but also, like number two, might very well be the Undertaker.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah no absolutely. Yeah, no, Bret's a big one. I know it's so bad to say as a Canadian, but I'm a big Shawn Michaels fan.
Speaker 1:No, that's fine. Shawn Michaels is one of the best. Even Bret Hart will even tell you.
Speaker 3:I know, I know, but you know even the Screwjob you know, Bruce and the. Screwjob is. You know, it still feels like it's touchy territory. Yeah, yeah, no, I was always a big Sean guy and I loved the Rock. Those are always my I can always say constant two like my two favorites, no matter what. There's so many good guys there is.
Speaker 1:I mean like Razor.
Speaker 3:Ramon.
Speaker 1:Scott Hall was always one of my up there for terms of villains. Yeah, mr Perfect. Yeah, yeah, love Mr Perfect. I can't just get rid of a gum.
Speaker 3:I know I've got to swat it. I have to spit it and swat it. Every single time I have to take a pencil and try and catch it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I still attempt to throw a football up in the air and try to catch it myself.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Still, I'm 39 years old, I still try to do it.
Speaker 1:I've been trying to do it since I was like eight years old.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I got a wide spectrum of of interest, but yeah, when it comes to comedy, I feel like I can just talk about anything. I'm more comfortable, you know, just any issue you can just kind of what are you working on now?
Speaker 3:I mean, I just I don't write like other people. I don't sit down and write I've never been able to because I don't want to act. I want to speak. I I've never been able to Because I don't want to act. I want to speak, right, I want to go up and talk about what I want to talk about. So I do it almost the same way you would almost prep for a podcast. I put down beats, right, and sometimes that beat will become a bigger thing if it's a bigger chunk of an idea, and I go okay. Well, I know this topic leads in this story. Well, now I've labeled the joke this, so I'll just put a word and it just and I trigger my mind.
Speaker 3:And then just rip off that, yeah, yeah, and then you know, if I come up with ideas, I just I'll write them down on you know, in a notebook, or I'll write them down on my phone.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:But to keep the muscle of writing I just walk, because if I'm distracting the rest of my body then I can just focus on my music.
Speaker 2:I've been using voice memos on my phone a lot lately. That's a good one too, and I sound like a psychopath. If I played those through for you right now, you wouldn't know what's going on, I know.
Speaker 3:And I get so insecure, which is insane.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because it's just like it's not a message anyone's going to hear but me. I don't know why, it sounds like I'm asking someone out.
Speaker 2:I hope Apple's as secure as they say they are.
Speaker 3:You went to the store today and you got. No, you didn't see me. Just say who cares? If you're flubbing, it's fine.
Speaker 4:It's just you there, I love it.
Speaker 1:When I'm in the car, I'll use it all the time. What Hard to lie to yourself.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, it's hard to lie to yourself, no, but I mean there's a million ways to kind of keep that going and it's just like whenever you have that spark or that second, you just got to jump right on. Yeah, right, yeah it just doesn't matter if I'm in the car, in the shower, whatever, get that friggin' recording thing, and no matter how stupid the thought was record it for a second.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, don't trust yourself to remember it later. Right, do not, you won't.
Speaker 2:I actually had jokes for you tonight that I was saying, like his, at the end of his podcast he used to read the jokes and get the guests to read the jokes.
Speaker 3:That was great. Yeah, yeah, the Super Dave ones Totally going to do that tonight, full transparency. I was so busy, I had no time so. So I was like, oh, I have a whole book, it's like 500 jokes, it's like a really old joke book. I've never even really gone through it, just because I've always wanted to save it for an occasion to pop it up and read it, because I don't know how good or bad these jokes are but it's like a 50-year-old joke book.
Speaker 1:That's what makes it fun, though, so I would just test them and see if other people read them or if you read them, you read them. A joke I wrote might be half decent, right See, that would be a good round two for this. It's like we don't talk about anything. We just open the book and the three of us just try to tell the joke. Yeah, yeah, that'd be very funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I think we can just record it. I might have one or two on my phone, let's just see if I can find one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I have a like I have a very wide span of humor. Yeah, I like everything from like dad jokes and puns to like the darkest, like Anthony Jeselnik and stuff like that of course, yeah, yeah, who would you kind of say like you know, who do you look to in terms of like, your, like? You know, I like gravitated towards not necessarily inspiration because I know every comic needs to make their own way and not compare themselves to someone else.
Speaker 3:No, I would definitely. I wouldn't call them inspirations. These guys, like Richard Pryor was a yeah, he was like who got me like really into this and like Eddie was like. Eddie Murphy was another one. You know I'm a big Chappelle guy.
Speaker 1:I think he's the go To me.
Speaker 3:yeah, the amount of work he turns up to me is great.
Speaker 2:Here's the first joke to read. I'll try that.
Speaker 3:Do you want me to read the title of it?
Speaker 2:No, no, just start it and end it. No, just skip the title.
Speaker 3:Okay. An American asked me if we get pizza up in Canada. I said it's pretty cold. We can only buy it frozen. Is that a great?
Speaker 1:joke no, no, all right.
Speaker 2:I like blowing.
Speaker 1:All right, it's okay, but you know what, though that is definitely a Norm MacDonald joke, though.
Speaker 2:Honestly.
Speaker 1:I can see.
Speaker 2:Okay, here one more. Try this one. I'm going to try to give you some comedy gold here. This one will be the best.
Speaker 3:I just bought a four-in-one body wash. I read the details on the bottle to see what the fourth thing was. It said self-affirmation.
Speaker 1:I looked on the bottom of the bottle and it said you are worth it. Okay, I like that one, I like that one. You see, I'm a comedic genius. That is also a Norm Macdonald joke, but that's like a funny, that's a funny Norm Macdonald joke. Nah, so like in terms of like inspiration, because I think Chappelle is the goat I mean he's gone.
Speaker 1:You know, not his last special, but his second last special, I think was like some of the best that he's ever done, but I mean everything since he's come back. His last like six specials have been calling me gold. I'm also a huge Bill Burr fan.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I love Bill.
Speaker 1:So like Chappelle and Burr are like up there, I do like Jimmy Carr quite a bit, but like his show wasn't great here.
Speaker 2:Hey, Matt, why was the single dolphin sad on New Year's Eve? I don't know. He had no porpoise.
Speaker 3:Well, that actually is a punchline from a Norm Macdonald joke.
Speaker 2:Is it? It's?
Speaker 3:like Conan.
Speaker 2:Is that a Conan?
Speaker 3:joke. He doesn't, because this is my joke score.
Speaker 2:I don't know if they're mine or not.
Speaker 1:Oh, you don't even know if you're reading your own jokes. These are all Norm jokes.
Speaker 2:This is a joke about podcasts. I want to start a podcast on anti-consumerism, but I need some sponsors. Is that weak? Yeah, should I not do any more of these?
Speaker 1:I think you should stick to podcasting. Yeah, all right, all right, all right, that's probably why, Should I close my jokes folder? But yeah, so it's like I think you get some of your hardest laughs from Bill. But that being said too, I know it's a little bit controversial now to a degree, but Louis CK was always up there for me too.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean yeah, when I was starting, I mean that was like when Louis blew up and Louis was my hero, like he had a new special every year. That was like you know, he was the one like. Now, everyone does it, whether or not they should.
Speaker 2:And that's the thing. If it works for you, it's fine. He used to get everybody gathered around at the house, like it was like watching a big fight or something, yeah, and then you know his way of doing it and just putting it out there is you know, his own stuff.
Speaker 1:Also like probably one of the only white comedians that can get away with dropping the N-bomb.
Speaker 3:That's because he's got that sneaky little bit of Hispanic Mexican. Yeah, he's Mexican, that's right, oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, his mother, I think, is Mexican. His dad, his dad, oh, it's his dad, his dad is and his mom is.
Speaker 3:I think she's like Polish.
Speaker 1:Yes, it's something like that I think she's a Nazi Jewish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. I think you're right, yeah.
Speaker 3:I got to see Louis in Toronto in 2012, my first year of college.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was like amazing.
Speaker 3:That was great.
Speaker 2:Oh, that'd be cool, but yeah.
Speaker 1:Louis was a big one for me. He was a big Tosh fan too at one point. Yeah, I used to watch Tosh Just because he would react.
Speaker 4:He was fantastic, yeah, he would just react to the videos.
Speaker 3:Seriously, he wouldn't try to dub them. It's like the video itself is funny. Yeah, if you want to be funny with it, react to it. Don't try to add a voice. Don't be like, hey, what's going?
Speaker 1:on here. Yeah, like add, don't add a voice, don't be like, all right hey, what's going on here?
Speaker 3:yeah, like america's funniest videos I know, and it's like it's never clever or funny, it's just shoehorned in words that fit within time length before someone falls down. Right, you know I? Yeah, tosh tosh was great, especially the web redemption stuff yeah, those were awesome, those are amazing
Speaker 1:those are great. He was also kind of like the originator of the reaction videos. Now that's a trend on Instagram and YouTube and stuff. I'm a little bit surprised that people have whole YouTube channels reacting to other people's videos. It's like I'm just doing people's content and then you can watch me watch it, I know.
Speaker 3:Right, and I feel like it's making people worse audiences in live events and stuff, because they don't know how to react to stuff on their own, because they're so used to reacting to someone react to moments and people are, I don't think, realize that not everything is a dope viral moment. Sometimes there's lead up and there's build up. We've got to work on gaining some attention span back and like rebuilding this.
Speaker 1:come for someone with adhd you, we gotta fucking rebuild our focusing like no, I agree, like he and I, he and I kind of like argue with this. He's always like the shorter the video, the better we took an adhd test and I scored higher than him.
Speaker 2:Yeah well, no I mean higher in the more adhd I had. Yeah, I did, I got a higher score. No, you didn't. Well, no, I mean higher in the more ADHD I had. No, you didn't. Yeah, I did, I got a higher score than you. I didn't think you did. We were trying to score points on who had the most ADHD.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we scored high.
Speaker 2:Both of us scored very high and very close as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it was. Yeah, we scored very high on the ADHD test.
Speaker 2:I cause I'm you guys want to get one more of the jokes folder.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sure, why not?
Speaker 3:He might've scored. He might've scored harder than me.
Speaker 2:Did he land Europe?
Speaker 4:The only difference is many. Most has armpit hair.
Speaker 1:I see what you're doing, but you, is that not?
Speaker 3:funny. Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, man Jeez, these are thoughts, these are all thoughts, these are all thoughts. That's funny.
Speaker 2:These are thoughts that maybe you should have kept to yourself. So they're not jokes, is what you're saying. That's why I shouldn't go to Kill Tony.
Speaker 3:Or should you? I mean totally those clips go viral too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right. I think that would have been a good joke in 1996.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. That would have been one during the announcement of your Disney.
Speaker 1:That's honestly. That's a Seinfeld joke. That's a Seinfeld joke. That would have been like a late show, yeah.
Speaker 3:I love those types of jokes, so I think maybe that's my favorite type of comedy, which is totally fine.
Speaker 1:I mean, I do like Seinfeld, I'm re-watching. I'm almost done. I'm on the last season re-watching Seinfeld on Netflix. No spoilers.
Speaker 3:I've never re-watched it on Seinfeld.
Speaker 2:I was never big in that show.
Speaker 1:I mean it has a lot of iconic moments. It has a lot of iconic moments, a lot of like cultural reference moments. But you know, what was really interesting is I went back and now watching it over again, I've come to realize that like a lot of the really great cultural, like epic moments happened later in the series. Yeah, yeah, yeah right, oh for sure. It was like I'm on, I'm just like I said, I'm on season nine, almost done, and season eight, season eight and season nine I think that's what it is. Season eight or season seven, season eight. I think it was nine seasons. Yeah, season eight and season nine had, like some of the most that I'm like oh jeez, that's in that one, that's in that one. Yeah, right, I can't remember.
Speaker 4:Soup Nazi.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that was like season 7, or 8 or whatever the early seasons, I was just kind of like we're watching how.
Speaker 2:You Met your Mother right now. That's one of the best. I told you to watch that.
Speaker 3:I was watching, it was on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I told him to watch it, he was resisting forever. I'm like, dude, it's a good show.
Speaker 3:I get that like sitcoms, you know, especially like laugh track ones.
Speaker 2:Yeah, ones are yeah, laugh Track one's a tough show. It's the first Laugh Track show I must have watched in like 15 years but yeah, jason Segel, but he's, he's my favorite character like he's so funny yeah, but it's a fun show yeah
Speaker 3:yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I haven't watched one since you, you know what I'm gonna ask you this, cause I ask people like Kelly and Humor and everything. That's a friend? Yeah, everyone has their opinion and stuff like that on Friends and who the best was and all that stuff. What's Friends, the show Friends, the show Friends. Yeah, okay, I thought you were just asking me as a friend. No, most people will say that Chandler's the funniest person on the show, and I agree with that. Who do you, in your opinion, who is the second funniest character on that show?
Speaker 3:god um. When me my girlfriend moved in, we started watching. I never watched all the way through it. I always catch episodes. My grandmother would watch friends when I was on it so you know, it was never like something I cared about, because I was like, oh, it's an old person show fair enough okay, and then, once I moved in, I watched it and you know I I into it.
Speaker 3:I think, oh god, I don't even know if, yeah, I would say Chandler gets the funniest lines, yes. And if not, and even if it's not funny, his character allows him to deliver them funnier than the line probably even should be. Yeah, I would say it's Phoebe really got me when I was watching. I really appreciate it. I would always hear how much shit Phoebe would get. And then I watched and I was like Lisa Kudrow is an amazing comedic character.
Speaker 2:I thought she was one of the best actors on the whole show.
Speaker 3:I think she doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker 1:My answer for me always surprises people, but I think it's friggin'. Jennifer Aniston, Rachel, Rachel. You know what, rachel, if you go back and look, at her comedic timing and the way she reacts to things. It's so friggin' believable in how she does it and she actually makes me laugh with lines that are like really not jokes.
Speaker 3:No, absolutely yeah. I would say Jennifer found her stride later. Yes, In later seasons. That's true. I think like yeah, I mean, lisa Kudrow had the benefit of being on Mad About you Right, playing Phoebe's sister. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so there was already kind of like a built-in.
Speaker 1:So she was kind of going in with something.
Speaker 4:She was given like a goofy character.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's kind of like with Joey Joey's the in-your-face like there's two in-your-face kind of goofy characters.
Speaker 3:That's the best thing about the rewatch is you realize the benefit of weekly television and breaks and not binging, because there would be an episode where you're like, wow, joey's so dumb, but then he would say something in the next episode that was like a joke and still dumb, but almost too smart for him.
Speaker 2:And you go wait a minute.
Speaker 3:Well, that's Okay. Who wrote this? This is a different writer.
Speaker 4:Different writer. Yeah, and I could start telling who was writing. Oh wow, yeah, you could tell.
Speaker 3:He's like oh, Joey's really dumb here. Oh, Joey's just horny in this one.
Speaker 2:You notice there's shifts in writing though. Yeah, the biggest contrast I noticed in that show Sometimes people are completely different.
Speaker 4:Really Okay, really Okay yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's the first time I noticed that in a long time.
Speaker 1:That's probably season one, though, because they really kind of Well, we're only in season two, yeah.
Speaker 2:But yeah, you've seen the characters change.
Speaker 1:They just develop Another show. One show I absolutely love is but that was the funniest show Parks and Rec same thing, man, what a terrible first season You've got to start off season two it's such a slow Because you've got to build a real world.
Speaker 3:That's the hard thing with a mockumentary is you've got to believe that this is a place that people exist and real things go on and someone's got a camera there, yeah, but it's like a rocket got scrapped on season two and turned into the greatest show. Season two was like, let's get silly now that you believe what we're doing.
Speaker 1:But the Office was the same. The Office had some really funny moments in season one, but it was like nothing.
Speaker 4:Pretty mundane.
Speaker 1:Season one was just okay. Season two immediately turned into comedy gold. The difference is you can't even measure it.
Speaker 4:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So that's one of the crazy things about it. But you know, I think that is like sometimes, season one you have different writers there's inconsistency, oh sure that right. You're trying to develop characters you have to go based off of, like you know, focus groups.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that right yeah, so it's something I mean. I mean, imagine that's like you know, being a writer like yourself. Yeah, so it's tough, and I mean I imagine that's like you know, being a writer like yourself, that's something like it's probably tough to figure out in season one, because you've got to figure out who this person is right, yeah, yeah, and you don't know, and you don't know, you don't again, you don't, I would assume, for shows.
Speaker 3:You don't know if you're getting a next season. Yeah, you're like how much do we give away now? How much do you have wishful thinking that we're going to be able to develop these stories? Are we pushing out without shoehorning and not giving time? Yeah, there's a lot that goes into it. You're creating a human that doesn't exist. You know it's not Exactly. You've got to be mom, dad, life experiences, You've got to form this fictional person that then you gotta then tell someone else to play right yeah it's a it's.
Speaker 1:Do you feel that, like you know, you mentioned you have adhd, you mentioned autism like, do you feel that those things are like uh, do you find there are hindrance or a benefit in the world, in like the world that you're in?
Speaker 3:it's the autism. Stuff's so new. I'm still unraveling that yeah and more or less, I would say, because you're obviously high functioning, obviously yeah yeah, yeah, I would, yeah, I think I. I don't know what. I don't have any official diagnosis or terms or anything yeah um, you know. So I don't know if, if I'm like, oh, this is great for this thing, yet because I'm I'm still at the point where I'm like 32 and now I have to question.
Speaker 3:I'm questioning my entire life up until this point because I didn't know that I was or you know, uh, the adhd and stuff. There definitely is things that I think help me. I do hyper focus on little details and niches and and things and I think that is great for jokes and stuff and specific things and for my type of humor. I think it does work you know, um, but yeah, in everyday life it's a fucking hindrance absolutely absolutely because the world's not made for for people with any of neurological stuff like yeah yeah, you know any kind of neuro.
Speaker 3:You know any neurodivergence yeah, exactly is is, is not, you know so yeah, it's a weird it's.
Speaker 1:it's a weird it's because I've had like an in-depth conversation with a couple people who seemed to know what they were doing and what they were talking about. And it was interesting how they were talking about, how, like you know, in ADHD they kind of felt like you should get rid of the word like deficit or disorder, like disorder, because it's like it's not necessarily disorder, because if you sometimes what makes someone great, oh, is that absolutely.
Speaker 3:Yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you take that away, from an artist.
Speaker 1:Sometimes they just they're just not an artist anymore. Yeah, for sure, yeah, yeah no, it's.
Speaker 3:It's being able to recognize what needs people need.
Speaker 2:Or being able to recognize the artists that you really like.
Speaker 1:You know it always goes like Kanye West, I know no we laugh, Say what you want about Kanye West man.
Speaker 2:I love his music. I've loved his music since day one.
Speaker 3:He's got great hits.
Speaker 2:But not only that. I love his music, music. I love his music on another level right.
Speaker 4:I mean.
Speaker 1:I love music. I love all genres of music. I'm a hip hop guy probably primarily, but I do like all genres of music and Kanye West.
Speaker 2:When he came out there was something weird about his beats that really kind of started to stand out what he was saying, how he was using his beats and all this and then like even present day it's like I know he's now not even like a good guy, quote unquote anymore with the things that he's done and said. I mean I don't agree with any of the stuff he says right. But Jesus, he came out with a new record. It was great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean, that part's always great. Those are two different ways.
Speaker 2:My brain cannot not like that, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, it's, you know those are probably two separate things. It's like that thing that's like you know someone can have like dementia or Alzheimer's, right, and it's like they're so stoic and then it's like you slide a piano in front of them and they used to play piano and it's here's Mozart, like it's nothing.
Speaker 2:I don't my. I guess what I'm saying is my thoughts don't completely align with Kanye West.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But I see where he's coming from. Sometimes in some things I at least see how his brain kind of contorts right, but that's separating the talent from the artist. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean it is and it isn't. But I'm always wonder am I appealing to a similar mental disposition that I have, or whatever it could be?
Speaker 1:Maybe or am I?
Speaker 2:appealing just to the music and the beats and whatever right.
Speaker 1:But for me I use the same thing we talked about this in another episode where it's like I was devastated when all the news about Bill Cosby came out. Yeah, Because I loved the Cosby came out, because I loved the Cosby show and there was so much good surrounding Bill Cosby in terms of socially what he's done.
Speaker 2:I never liked Bill Cosby.
Speaker 1:I hated Bill Cosby, yeah, but the Cosby show was legendary no, it really did.
Speaker 3:There was nothing about him.
Speaker 2:I just I found him extremely hypocritical and arrogant towards like people.
Speaker 4:I found him extremely hypocritical and arrogant towards people and I just and black what. I did not go there, in fact, I hated.
Speaker 2:Bill Cosby the most when he did the pull your pants up thing and he was just like he was doing all this shit.
Speaker 3:I know he was like lecturing.
Speaker 2:Like come on, what are you lecturing even here? What are you even talking about? You're so disconnected from, from this this, you know, yeah, I just I just hated it. I felt like it was just so, you know, under the cosby show did.
Speaker 1:Was did such a great thing for like social movements at the time, like the show itself okay yeah and and so to this day. I would still like, I would love to, like I still with when it's on or if I see it, or I'll still watch episodes with the sense of it, the guy's a monster turns out All the good he did was ruined. Right, but that doesn't mean that I'm not going to pop on the Crosby show and laugh away.
Speaker 2:It doesn't mean he doesn't put on the old Spanish fly record in the spin-off.
Speaker 3:No, I'm still not at the point. I can't watch it anymore.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Every now and then I'll watch a clip and I'll be like God, I love this show, but I can't watch. It's just because I feel like I'm being lied to. I feel like my intelligence is being mocked now.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It's just such a.
Speaker 2:It's weird. I mean I find what happened it's like the same thing. Fresh Prince of Bel-Air I think that was more the show that I grew up on. Well, I mean that came after and I can still watch that?
Speaker 4:Why wouldn't you be able to watch it? Just because Will.
Speaker 1:Smith slapped somebody I'm wearing.
Speaker 3:Fresh Prince sneakers. I'm a stand-up comic.
Speaker 2:Chris Rock's my favorite.
Speaker 3:Chris Rock's my favorite. Chris Rock was awesome. I mean, it has.
Speaker 1:I don't love Will like I used to Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, obviously you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Because I you know.
Speaker 2:I feel awesome. Again, it's. He's a monster.
Speaker 1:He's amazing.
Speaker 3:Unfortunately it's.
Speaker 1:Will Smith had a bad night. He's not a monster.
Speaker 3:You know a monster, and it's that thing where it's like it's a double-edged sword, because it's like he's human. Yeah, of course you know it's not his fault that I've put him on a pedestal Also good point Sure, you know he's so. You know there's a lot to reconcile there, but it just, yeah, it just makes me so mad because I rooted for it for years. I wanted this man to get his Oscar.
Speaker 2:And he gets it on that night of all nights.
Speaker 3:And he just taints it, the only.
Speaker 2:Will Smith movie I haven't seen yet. Did you watch the movie he won King Richard? Yeah, was it King Richard?
Speaker 3:You're thinking he won for Emancipation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that came out the year after.
Speaker 4:That was his. Please Forgive Me movie.
Speaker 2:Okay, I never watched King Richard either. That came out the year after. That was his Please Forgive Me movie. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I never watched King Richard either. No, is that good? It was great.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was a good movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean it's patient Like you act well in that.
Speaker 2:Is that a good show too? Yeah, I haven't seen anything after, like whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, well I mean I, I mean I, I obviously want to watch king richard just because to see you know what, what's one image? But, honestly, like there's very few people, like there's next to you know, when it comes to the women's tennis, like the venus and serena, like standalone kind of thing, right, I know there was, there's some people that came before them, but you know, in this term especially Serena is top of the mountain, right. So I wanted to kind of see that backstory, because I heard stories about how not great he was and things like that. And if Will did a great job, no wonder he won because, dude, that was believable. Oof yeah.
Speaker 2:I gotta watch that one.
Speaker 1:It's cool yeah, but you know what, though at the same time like if that's how the story went out, man, that guy believed in his daughters and did everything he possibly could to make sure that they succeeded yeah like he doubled down and he was like he wanted it his way and all that stuff like yeah it worked.
Speaker 3:It worked, it worked, yeah it works right.
Speaker 1:But what a great movie. Now I kind of want to watch it again, actually now that I'm thinking about it, man. It was good but yeah will just had a bad night. So I mean that is what it is right like. Freshman's ballet is like one that like that's one of the greatest. I think it's one of the best shows ever yeah, that was my childhood show.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, oh so good.
Speaker 1:Anyway, man, I don't know, like, what's next for you.
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm just one day at a time you know I'm you get some acts coming up, some shows coming up. I got some shows coming up. I get to. It's coming up in November, but it's coming up in November will have. Uh, I will have opened up for todd barry.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm sure I've murdered and now I'm slept away in new york as you listen to this, and I'm hosting snl next week um no, I mean I'm.
Speaker 4:Wouldn't that be awesome. It would be like the simpsons.
Speaker 3:That would be totally predicted yeah, um no, I'm, I'm working on. I would like to get a special out. I would like to release something visually.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's you know. I've done two albums and so I think the next is the the YouTube route. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Got a. Thing.
Speaker 3:There will be. It won't be Halloween time anymore, but tomorrow a sketch releases that me and my buddy, chris Wilson, from 22 minutesutes filmed last year. Okay, it's an exorcist sketch, so it seasonally works with this time of year. It's one of the sketches that I wrote that the show did not use.
Speaker 2:There you go. That's been fun.
Speaker 3:You take it and you use it as your own and hope for the best. So hopefully that's doing well. So if you haven't checked out that, go check out that. Cool. Other than that, the Travis Lindsay is pretty much all my social medias. The Travis Lindsay.
Speaker 2:There's my Instagram, facebook, the Travis Lindsay.
Speaker 3:All that cool stuff, all that cool stuff and you know if I got a show, please come out, come say hi. If I don't make eye contact with you, I'm sorry that doesn't mean I don't like you.
Speaker 2:That just means I'm nervous.
Speaker 3:I'll get that 100% Cheers guys. Thank you so much.
