Bill Belichick Deserves First-Ballot Hall Of Fame Recognition

Belichick’s first-ballot snub lights a fire under a bigger issue: a flawed Hall process where constraints and grudges outvote legacy. We weigh award races, coaching hires, the Pro Bowl’s meaning problem, and an NBA deadline that could flip a franchise.

• what first ballot should mean for coaches
• voters’ logic vs system design in Hall ballots
• players vs owners vs coaches on mixed slates
• naming voters who hid behind assumptions
• Coach of the Year cases and criteria
• new hires in Buffalo and Cleveland, fallout in Pittsburgh
• rookie honors, Defensive Player of the Year, MVP lean
• Pro Bowl alternates, value, and how to fix the format
• Giannis trade paths and leverage
• LeBron’s last season scenarios and market fit

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Transcript

Belichick Hall Of Fame Snub

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome, welcome, welcome back to another episode of From My Perspective. And honestly, we get it was some nonsense to happen. We gotta go right into it. Not even gonna lie. You know, I'm your boy Dion. Please like, please subscribe. Six percent of you guys ain't subscribed for some reason. Just subscribe. Q, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_01 0:17

You gotta have a message, your boy, Mr. Bill. We gotta get to this because it got me hot. I ain't even gonna lie to you.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

So uh the Pro Bowl, we've we talked a lot about the Pro Bowl voting in the last few weeks. We gave our perspective on who we think probably should be in the Pro Bowl that is the Hall of Fame that's not in the Hall of Fame a couple weeks ago. Go back and listen to that episode. I believe that was the Christmas special episode for you guys. But there was a voting that happened. Uh I'll go into a little bit more detail in a little bit, but there was a voting that happened, and someone that was on the ballot, Bill uh William Stephen Belichick, aka Bill Belichick, he was on the ballot with four other people. One of his people was his boss and Robert Kraft to get voted. It's weird. It's hard to explain, but I'll I'll try to explain it to you in a little bit. But long story short, Bill Belichick was not voted in to be Pro Football Hall of Fame. And it's a big deal because being a first ballot Hall of Famer is a big deal. First time you're on the ballot, getting in is a big deal. You put in a different room when you're a first ballot hall of famer. Let's not let's not sugarcoat it. You're first ballot hall of famer, you're in a different room. Some of these people wait 15 years. If you ain't got to wait, you the first year you're on the ballot, you in there, you're in a different room. Bill Belichick, William Steven Belichick, his resume says he's a first ballot hall of famer, but he did not get voted in. There's some behind the scenes stuff I'm gonna talk about, but I just want your reaction to cue. When you saw that come across your phone, William Steven Belichick is annoyed. First ballot Hall of Famer, what was your reaction?

SPEAKER_01 2:03

What do you gotta do to be a first battle hall of famer? You won six rings. Not even talking about the assistant two that he won as an assistant coach. Not all coaching of yours, I know you're gonna get into those in a minute. Forget all that. That man won six rings. Am I grown? Not two, not three. Well the browse, not four, not five. That one was that man, that man won six rings. My first thought when I saw that was so what you gotta do to be a first baller Halloween. If anybody deserves to be, it's going to be him. And then my next thought was y'all gonna keep that same energy with time? No, y'all not. No, no. But to me, it I'm not even a Bill Belichick fan. It pissed me off saying that he ain't a first battlehouse fan. Then we're gonna get into pettiness that why he wasn't made me even more angry. Because now I'm turning into a Bill Belichick fan. Now I'm now moved for the Tower Hills.

Why First Ballot Status Matters

SPEAKER_00 3:14

So this ain't what I was doing. So let's go ahead and get into some of the stuff. When it first happened, it was reported that Spy Gate and the Flake Gate was a part of the reason why. Spy Gate, okay, cool. He still won three after Spy Gate. After y'all punched him. The Flake Gate, that's not on him. Tom was the one deflating the football's per se. He ain't had nothing to do with it. He was coaching, if that's how y'all do it. Okay. Then it came out Bill Polly and led the charge. Bill Polly and a former GM of the Buffalo Bills, aka hated rivals of the New England Patriots. Don't forget about the coach. Maybe that's part of it. But um, there were some people that came out. I literally just screenshotted this. A lot of people went in happen said, I voted for them. But I'm not gonna blame necessarily be voters. I'm gonna blame the system, per se. Let me tell you why. The system is the system is very, very flawed. It's a situation where we're not talking about like, because you know they got basically two separate, they got two separate votes. But these guys was given five people, and they only had to vote for three. It was three players. I don't know their name. I apologize. I don't know the guys' names, but it was three players, Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick. There was that these guys had voted for, they had to vote for three of them. One of the voters basically said, This is a players' league. I voted for the players. Okay, whatever. Bill Belichick's on that. You probably should have voted for that, man. She'll say it. Some people said, and this is uh Mike Chapel of Fox 59 Indianapolis. He has a vote. This is his quote. As of the 50 selections, I voted for Robert Craft for the longtime accomplishment New England Patriots owner. He wrote, I did not vote against Bill Belichick, the longtime accomplished head coach of that dynasty. I realized that differences without a destination, but I'm comfortable with my decision. In other words, there but it's a flawed system. A lot of people, these guys, they probably feel like these guys have been waiting. I'm gonna vote for these guys. I read somewhere where it said they feel like it was one of those situations where people say they see somebody getting beat up in the middle of the street and just assume everybody, somebody's gonna, somebody else is gonna call 911. That's what somebody said. They said, I just assumed somebody else is gonna vote for Bill. That's why I voted for those players or Robert Kraft. It's a flawed system. These players has been, the these players are backlogged. As players that's played in the 1970s, it probably should be in the Hall of Fame that's not in the Hall of Fame. It's a backlog system, and they can only vote for three. Some years, maybe all five people should have been, should be Hall of Fame worthy, but they can only vote for three. And then every year there's new people that get added to the list. Some are more worthy than the people that are on the list. It's just a flawed system. But Bill should Bill should have been a Hall of Famer first ballot. I'm not saying they shouldn't, but I'm just saying the system is flawed, and I can't want her to blame them for what they did because they on the. It's a flawed system.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

I got this podcast I'm working on with this guy named Joe. You you familiar with Joe, right?

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. My guy, my guy. I see him every every Monday, 8 30 at a Dollar General.

System Flaws Vs Voter Bias

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yeah. I'm gonna uh I'm gonna steal the name from this podcast to answer, to respond to what you say. Because you my dog. So respectfully, Dion. I feel like you're wrong. I don't think it's the system. I blame the people. The system been fine for this long. Imagine. T.O. took offense, which TO TO said, where was this? Y'all wanna, the the Hall of Fame wanna release a statement now when Bill don't get in talking about people holding grudges basically, or whatever the case may be, or the system or people not doing what they're supposed to uh handling it the way they're supposed to. TO got a point. 2016, 2017, TO should have been a first by the Hall of Fame. If not, he should have been in an NH year, but they didn't. Cool. We can say this in. I just don't feel like the system is wrong. I get your point. I do get your brand of point, but I don't feel like I don't feel like the system is the issue. I feel like the people who was involved in the system is the issue. And who said I voted for the players? Okay, cool. Well, who put those players in the position to win? Who coached those players up? Who schemed for these players to put up these numbers that they did? Bill Bill Chatter won six of them things. Six is a head coach, two as an assistant. You have to give some credit to the coaches, and I get it, but like it is a players league, and it's hard for coaches or people, it's hard for nine players to get in the Hall of Fame, and that's just every Hall of Fame, NBA, NFL, or you know what I'm saying, practically all that they play. But you can't ignore that man's accomplishments. And I I and I also disagree with the fact of hey man, I just thought everybody else was gonna vote for Bill. So I wanted to give my one of my votes to somebody else. Yeah, I think Bill should have been in, but I want to give one of my votes to somebody else. No. When you are an NFL voter, when you're a Hall of Fame voter, your responsibility is can you tell the story of the NFL with this person or without this person? You cannot tell the NFL story without Bill, Bill Belichick. So everybody's Bill should have been the first name everybody clicked. You can tell this story without Robert Kraft. Anybody can wrote voted for Robert Kraft's joke. I'm just being real. You can tell the story of the NFL without Robert Kraft. I know Robert Kraft has done some stuff behind the scenes. Great, and that's fine. I'm not trying to disminage this uh diminish his accomplishments. Accomplishments, but you can't compare them to Bills. And then the Bill, I feel like let's say four or five people, you know, like, nah, I'm gonna vote for these players because everybody else is gonna vote for Bill. But then you also got this Bill Poleon element. Because like you said, he worked the Buffalo Bills, but he also worked for the Indianapolis Coach, which was the big time rival at the time when Bill was winning those championships.

SPEAKER_00 10:20

Before you continue, I was a little bit mad at Bill. He all about some, I don't remember what I did. Well, you remember what you did. No, that ain't all you see.

SPEAKER_01 10:27

I don't remember if I voted for Bill. But I I remember I wrote it for Robert Grant, though. So you remember one vote, but you can't remember the other vote. I was hot at that. I ain't glad I was high at that. This reminded me, the whole Bill Polyon situation reminded me of high school. It was very high. This is making the Hall of Fame look very high schoolish. If you ain't in my clique or we ain't cool, I ain't rocking with you. Or if you dated, if you dated the girl that I like, I can't let you get in. That ain't your job, bro. We don't care about your personal feelings. We care about what these people have done to help the game of the NFL or help the game of football group. That's what we care about. This is very, this, the Bill Cole situation is very high schoolish. That's what it reminded me of. I think we gotta look at these voters. Not all of them, but the ones who didn't vote for Bill, I gotta look at them as a joke.

The Ballot: Players, Kraft, Belichick

SPEAKER_00 11:26

I will say the Hall of Fame did put out a statement that said that we might gotta take some people's vote away. And they're right, they might gotta take some people's vote away. But let me talk about uh it's a Kansas City writer. He has a vote. Vonnie Gregorin. I apologize if I mispronounce your name, but you didn't vote for Bill, so you probably don't deserve to get your name pronounced right on this here podcast. But he said his words, he he basically said, I believe I believe Bill Chelcheck belongs in the hall to the point where he wrote it was hard to imagine a more accomplished candidate for the pro football hall of fame. He also said his profile is such that you can make his case a Hall of Fame voter simply by saying his name. Certainly, it can be reasonably be wondered what it what the meaning of the Hall of Fame that doesn't ultimately elect him in it. Uh basically, this is one of the guys that said he voted for the three play three players. I have the list of the, like I said, it was five people on this ballot. There's a modern day ballot, and then there's this ballot, and then there's a senior ballot. This ballot had Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Ken Anderson, Pittsburgh Still's defensive in LC Greenwood, San Francisco's Fortnite's running back, Roger Craig, Billa Belichick, and Robert Kraft. Those were the five people. Now, no offense. I don't know those other guys as well. I've heard of Ken Anderson, I've heard of Robert Craig. I'm really not too much familiar with Elston Greenwood. I know he was a part of Steel Curtin. Not familiar with his game. But even listening to those five names, Bill and my Bill's the first person I'm putting on my list.

SPEAKER_01 13:08

And we got recency bites. Let's be real. We both got recency bias when it comes to the situation. I would have just me. I would have voted for Bill and I would have voted for two of the players. I get it. You the the players write the history of the NFL. But you can't vote. Again, they got six championships. That number is damn, that number's crazy. People don't most NFL coaches don't get one. They definitely don't get two. He got six of them. You can't.

SPEAKER_00 13:52

It's absolutely ridiculous. But it it we're gonna talk more about it as the Hall of Fame list starts to come out. Uh we'll talk more about it again, probably next week or the following week. Elon Manning, he did not get elected. I don't know who got elected. We'll probably find out more next week, but Elon Manning was not elected into the pro football hall of me. He was one of those most controversial people that probably is like, should he or should he be in it?

SPEAKER_01 14:17

But let's go ahead and talk. Like I said before, that man got to fight on the record. We got a spy back and white. Eli is like I got that he get two, he got two Super Bowls. But we get and his last name was Mandy, but all right, go ahead. My bad. I didn't even cut you off. But this whole Eli get me in fact. I don't want to see. I think because we all like Eli, we ignore the fact of his record.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

But go ahead. Yeah, I mean, I don't, it's tough. I think he's gonna get in because of his last name, most likely, but we will see. But Bill Belichick, the three-time coach of the year, will not be in the Hall of Fame as a fresh ballot. He'll definitely be in next year. There's no way he's not. But let's go ahead and talk about the upcoming awards that's coming up. And we might as well go ahead and start with the Coach of the Year award. Who you got as your coach of the year, Q?

SPEAKER_01 15:26

I think Liam Cohen should be coach of the year. Because he turned around Jacksonville. If I had to pick anybody, and then you know it's hard for me to pick a rival. I don't really want to pick a rival in the same division, but if I had to, if I had to pick, I'm going with him.

SPEAKER_00 15:47

So, no Mike Babel, your former old head coach. Mike McDonald, the guy that the two teeth, the guys in the Super Bowl, neither one of them guys. You going with Liam Cohen?

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Do okay. I just said it about our recency vice with Bill Belcher. Are we doing we basically this off the regular season? We can't include the fact that both of them got to the Super Bowl.

SPEAKER_00 16:13

Mike Mike McDonald had the number one scene in the NFC. You're right. He did.

SPEAKER_01 16:20

It wasn't like he turned them around.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 16:28

Yeah, no. I under I don't I understand your point about McDonald's. I understand your point about Ray. I'm trying to think. What was he on regular? They weren't awful, but they weren't like they weren't in Jasmine's band, if I remember correctly.

SPEAKER_00 16:51

But yeah, my so before we get to the rest of the awards, we gotta talk about some of the coaching vacancy that has been filled quickly. Um Joe Brady, he's the new guy in the Buffalo Bills. He was the officer coordinator. That got a guy that's familiar with Josh Allen. How you feeling about it?

SPEAKER_01 17:16

Huh? Damn, why are you making me you're gonna make me be a hater this early in the wide? I don't know if I think this is a good hire. Because okay, you hired I don't think okay, cool. What's she gonna do for your defense? Because your defense gave up a lot of plays at the end. And again, I'm not to say I'll be the be the drum, you know, be the dead horse. We said it last week. Another issue here was talent. Is the talent gonna change?

unknown 17:50

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

Is Bean still making the choices?

unknown 17:54

Nope.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

That's the fact. I know they he got a promotion, so they're gonna hire a new GM, but if Bean's still making like your final say over this, uh it doesn't matter who your head coach is, if you ain't got no talent.

Calling Out The Voters

SPEAKER_00 18:06

No, you you're absolutely right. I like Joe Brady. I liked him, like, I don't know, he burst on the scene as he was the offensive coordinator for the LSU Tiger team that went undefeated with Joe Barrow. Then he went to the NFL. I like him, I just don't know. I mean, I feel like this was a let's please Joe Barrow. I mean, let's please Josh Allen. Y'all still got to fix that defense. But I don't know. Um, the next coach and Vexie that was filled was in Cleveland. They went with the officer coordinator, former officer coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens and Todd Muncan, but that's not necessarily the story. The defensive coordinator for the Cleveland Browns, the current defensive coordinator, I don't know if he's going to be the defensive coordinator anymore, Jim Schwartz, if I'm not mistaken. He thought he was going to have the job. When he found out he didn't get the job, he was fired up. So your thoughts on Todd Munkin. I know a lot of Baltimore fans was not happy with Todd Munkin. But Todd Munkin becoming the Cleveland Browns head coach and Jim Schwartz being so mad. Like, that's the only thing that was good for Cleveland was the defense. But being mad that he, you know, he's probably gonna get up out of there. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

I like the Todd Munkin hire. But I also understand why Jim Schwartz is mad. So I'm I'm not. If I thought I was gonna be the head coach and you interviewing me for this position, and then you come and hire somebody above me.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

And still wanting to reach defense coordinates.

SPEAKER_01 19:32

You should have just made me the head coach and then gave him boatload of money to go come here instead of going to New York with uh uh Harbaugh. Yeah, with Harbaugh. That's what they should have did. But that being said, I like the I like the hire of Monkey because of the fact y'all office the office probably the office. The problem was quarterback play, can we just be honest?

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:03

I know Shadow made the pro, but come on for he was there. We'll talk about that here a little bit. You know what I mean? Like, come on, what's it real? But the problem wasn't necessarily offensive, but if you're gonna roll with Shadur or get you one of these uh young quarterbacks coming at the draft, Monkey already proved that he could work with that type of talent, mobile quarterbacks. Look what he did with defense, they they feel like they still got the talent over there. So they like, uh, we we good over her. We just we just we're gonna have to find another defensive coordinator. Or they thought they was gonna keep swords, whatever the case may be. But I think they think they're good on defense because we got the talent.

SPEAKER_00 20:47

But uh Arizona is still open, Las Vegas is currently still open, but I believe the guy's gonna be uh Clint Kubiak, the offensive coordinator for the Seahawks. That is my uh prediction, but we gotta talk about the Pittsburgh Steelers. They went from one Mike to another Mike, but this is different. Usually they get you know a 35-year-old, defensive-minded head coach, somebody young. They went with a 62-year-old Mike McCarthy. Granted, I did watch his uh introductory press conference, very emotional. Mike McCarthy, he's a Pittsburgh stealer. That's where he's from. That's that's that's his hometown. I'm sure he grew up as a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. You can see it meant a lot to him. I don't necessarily think he was the right hire. Because I feel like they they're going with the status quo. Like, I feel like we lost Mike Tomlin. Let's go with Mike McCarthy. Now, going back to when Mike McCarthy was a Cowboys coach, I was like, man, I wish I had Mike Tomlin. Someone told me, like, you know, Mike Tomlin, Mike McCarthy, they had basically the same resume. Only thing that's hyping up Mike Tomlin's resume is he's never had a losing season. All right, though you're right. So I feel like it's kind of the status quo. They're not trying to change things. And it seemingly it wasn't the main reason, but it was part of the reason, like if we get Mike McCarthy, Aaron Rodgers would probably say, so I feel like as part of the reason, I mean, I don't think this is getting them closer to the Super Bowl. I didn't think I don't honestly don't think No High was getting them close to the Super Bowl, but I feel like taking a step back, getting you a young coach, building young, and working towards it would have been more beneficial than getting a coach like that. You probably felt like let me just go and put it. Mike McCarthy is a coach that you feel like that you're right there, you just need a good coach. I don't think Sillas is right there. Uh I think their talent, their defense is old, their O-line is okay. Aaron Rodgers, if he comes back, he's 42. I don't think they, I don't think they have the talent to have a we just need a Mike McCarthy good coach away from a Super Bowl. I don't think y'all that y'all had a good coach, had a great coach. Y'all couldn't get out of the first round. I think this is basically the status quo.

Shifts To Awards And Honors

SPEAKER_01 23:06

I ain't gonna lie. For a minute there, I forgot McCarthy had a Super Bowl. It's been it's crazy. Both day Super Bowls was that long ago, but I remember I don't remember McCarthy's. It's just now. Um The press conference got me, dog. I'm not even gonna lie to you. If you had asked me for the press conference, I would have been like, yeah, I don't think it's as a good height. But watching that man, the way he reacted in this press conference, you see how much it means to him. The press conference got me. I think it's a good height. Not even gonna try and sugarcoat it. The reason I think it's a good height, and let's be real, he's he's a good coach. Yeah. He's a good coach, he's a good coach, and this job means something to him. Now, you said if he's gonna bring Aaron Rodgers back, you it might help bring Aaron Rodgers back. I don't know if I really want Aaron Rodgers back. So you want Will Howard? I know. What else they got? I know that. But at what point do we look, at what point do you look around and be like, okay, we gotta do something else. We gotta rebuild. We have to rebuild. One of these seasons, we're gonna have to tell, we're gonna have to hit it, you hit in the face, and we're gonna have to rebuild. I think this is the year to do it. And McCarthy is, like you said, McCarthy is the we got a five-year window. Instead of you know hiring a young coach, you got a 15-year window. This is a five-year window. But everybody was expecting them to hire a younger coach because that's what they had done in the past when they passed three hires. But let's think about it. There's only three hires. You know, we think that's is we can say that's a trend, but we can also say that's not really a trend because they haven't had to be in this situation that many times. And the people who's making those hires also have gotten older. So I think that might play a part into it too. The press conference gets me.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

I think it's yeah, you can tell he was very emotional and meant a lot for him to be a head coach for the Pittsburgh Sales. But let's get back to the awards. Uh, we're gonna start at the bottom. And uh according to Insert Sportsbook here, we're gonna start with the NFL defensive rookie of the year. Uh the top three, Carson Swissinger. Uh, speaking of Cleveland's defense, a linebacker for Cleveland from UCLA. It was hella good, I think it was a second-round pick. Uh, James Press Jr., he plays for Atlanta and Nick Emuara for the Seattle Seahawks. Those are your top three. Carson, he's the favorite by minus 4,000. You just want to give it to him, or you got any other rookie, defensive rookie that you had in mind. So I think he's going to win it.

SPEAKER_01 25:53

But we're gonna do the recency bias. Nick is in the Super Bowl. I ain't even gonna pronounce dude's last name. Play from Seahawks defensive back. He is in the Super Bowl. And the defense is helping is one third, he'll learn. So, I mean, I think that is we have to we have to consider him. But now I'm going with Carson. And I'm man, Elena got two dudes in the top five. Well, two, two in the finalists.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yeah, Xavier Watts, uh, Abdul Carter for he's the bringing up the caboose at number six, but yeah. Uh Alana's a good job. Um, Kevin Savinski, don't mess it up, dog. You you got all you just need to do is find you a quarterback. That's really all you need to do. Or fix either fix Michael Pennyx Jr. or find you a quarterback, one or the other.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

You got you got all the weapons on offense and then the defense. Like I said, you got two young studs on defense. And it Xavier Watts and James Purge Jr. So I'm just saying, you you you got it lined up.

Coach Of The Year Picks

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Get that quarterback situation together. But uh, let's go ahead and go to the AP NFL rookie, offensive rookie of the year, and insert sportsbook here, the top three. It's Tedaro McMillan, Jackson Dark, and Tyler Chuck. Y'all hated on my man Tyler when he got drafted. Y'all hated on him. All he did was win. He came in and won. Uh Mekka Obuka is fourth. He would have been, if they would have given this award out uh after the first two months of the season, would have been him. He's fourth. Uh Trayvon Henderson, he's in the Super Bowl, had a pretty good season, but he's fifth. I know he's only third on list, but quarterback has a little bit more weight. And he showed that he's that guy. I'm going with Tyler Shuck. He's probably not gonna win it. I got Tyler Shuck winning it.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

No, I got the Carolina work winning it. McMillan, hey man, I love me some more play. Yeah, nah, I'm going with McMillan off the back of this one because I saw I can see the difference he made in Carolina compared to Lacer.

SPEAKER_00 28:05

So AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year Ward. The trophy is already heading to Miles Garrett's crib, so we can move on.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Yeah, no, I mean, no disrespect. What Anderson had a year, where um Huntson from Detroit, you know what I mean? Like, can I ask the question, though? Why is Michael Parsons the finalist?

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Uh I don't know, dog. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

I mean, show down. What do you mean? Like, why he a finalist dude?

SPEAKER_00 28:37

I mean, he he he was solid. He changed the defense, and I think what part of the reason why he was finals is when he got hurt, you can see the difference with the defense. Did he play for the last what month and a half? Yeah, he was out for like the last month. You can tell that defense whacked without him. They was missing him.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

I get like because Tyler Chuck didn't store at the beginning of the season. Like, I get a rookie of the year type situation. But defensive player of the year, we let somebody that missed a month is a change, be on mine. But like you said, master.

SPEAKER_00 29:09

Uh NFL AP comeback player of the year. Uh, you know, the finalists, Christian McCaffrey, Trevor Lawrence, Stephon Diggs, Aiden Hutchinson, and my guy Dak Prescott. Uh, Christian McCaffrey is the favorite in Insert Sportsbook here. You think it's gonna be him? Or also no, I've Dak Prescott, he had a great year, but I feel like Christian McCaffrey is probably gonna be him. I know Christian's the favorite.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

And I know he's probably he's gonna win it. But Stefan and Hutchinson, I feel like they have better cases. Yeah. I don't, I know they're not going to win it, but Stephon Diggs and uh Aiden Hutchinson for uh Detroit. How about pronouncing the name is that's not wrong? But yeah, that's right. I think they have better cases to be comeback player of the year. I think they are I don't say more valuable because I know Christian, I know Christian McCarthy is more valuable. I'm trying to think of the word. I know Christian McCarthy is more valuable. I just feel like they in they had a major impact on their team. I won't, I don't, so I just think they had the better story.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Yes, yep. I I I see what you mean. Especially Aiden, he broke his leg. That was a gruesome injury for Aiden Hutchinson. Um yeah, that was very gruesome. So I can see what you mean. Stefan Diggs, man, he you can just say comeback player from what he did started off in the offseason. Like they was talking about him in all the wrong ways during the all-season. Look at him now. Right. Every way, but the right way. Uh offensive player of the year, the five finalists, Jackson Smith and Jigma, Pookin Dakool, Christian McCaffrey, B. John Robson, Drake May. Uh Drake May, I mean, you're a quarterback. You're probably not gonna win it, but at least you're a finalist. But it's Jackson Smith and Jigma. He had one hell of a season, became the best receiver in the NFL, took it, take it over Jamar Chase's throne. You think it's that easy? Yeah, I mean, it's him or Puka.

New Coaching Hires And Fallout

SPEAKER_01 31:19

I think right say, Hey, you don't think Puka got a shot? It's close. It's close, dog. And then the other thing that helps Puka is Puka has some, I'm not saying uh Smith uh Jackson didn't, but Puka has some catches that made you be like, damn. Yeah. That's why I'm kind of like, I don't know. I uh Jack Smith, uh Jackson Smith, I'm not even gonna try. I think he his stats is better. But I think Puka got more of the jaw drop plays. I think I'm gonna go with Puka. I think I will give it. I think I will give it to Puka.

SPEAKER_00 32:04

Yep. Right. Hey, that was hey, they was going, hey, they was going at it back and forth in um that championship game, NFC championship game. Yeah, man. It was a great game. Uh, but last but not least, MVP, no disrespect to Josh Allen, Trevor Lawrence, and Chris McCaffrey. Those are the bottom three guys. Is Matthew Stafford or Drake May? Those are your two guys. And I think it's Matthew Stafford's time. I'm giving it to Matthew Stafford.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Yeah, I think it's Matthew Stafford. I don't even think again, recently biased, Drake Man got his team to Super Bowl, but I just think he had that fluke game versus Carolina where he just turned the ball over so many times. But other than that, Matthew Stafford was balling all year. And I know towards the end of the year he had a couple rough games too, but no. I think I think it's Matthew Stafford in a landslide perspective.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Definitely. I agree with you. Matthew Stafford, congratulations. You are from my perspectives, NFL MVP. I mean, if we had the money, we would have a trophy for you and send it off to your crib. We ain't got the money like that. But I hope it at least means something to you that me and Q, you you are Q's in Dion's, aka from my perspective, NFL MVP. Congratulations to him. But let's talk about some other awards. That doesn't mean much nowadays, but when you try and get you a nice little contract extension, get you a little raise, it means a lot. And that's the Pro Bowl. Shador Sanders made it to the Pro Bowl this season. Now, before we get into it, let's go ahead and say it. The Pro Bowl in terms of the game doesn't mean Jack Squat like it used to. It used to mean something. You talk to all the old players like it used to mean something. First off, it used to be after the Super Bowl, not before, but it doesn't mean nothing. So this is not the first time some ridiculous stuff or someone made the Pro Bowl that probably shouldn't have made it. But Shador, before we, you know, it's gonna sound like we slander you, especially means it's gonna sound no sending. It really don't matter. Ten years from now, especially if you make multiple Pro Bowls, it don't matter. You're a one-time pro. Yeah, I put Pro Bowl in front of your name. So congratulations. But now here comes the slander stuff. Uh, Tyler Snoop Huntley, back up for the Baltimore Ravens a couple years ago, when Lamar Jackson got hurt, he played a couple extra games. He made it to the Pro Bowl. The problem with this Pro Bowl now, people don't care about it. People don't want to go. They're getting down to the fifth and sixth alternate. First off, because the the team that makes, there's two teams that make it to the Super Bowl. There's a team that makes it, those players, they not going to the Pro Bowl, so they're already going down to an alternate. And then that's players that's made it multiple times, like, man, I ain't even trying to do all that extra. I'm already in Cancun. I ain't trying to come back. They said, I'm good. So they getting down to the seventh alternate. Maybe that seventh alternate, he's been a bunch of times. I'm cool. They're going down to the eighth alternate. That's the issue. The Pro Bowl doesn't mean much. They just need to go ahead and put it back after the Super Bowl. I used to be a proponent for putting it before the Super Bowl. That was a mistake. Put it after the Super Bowl, send their ass back to Hawaii, and let them treat it like a vacation and let it meet something. Now they're not going back to a regular game. That ain't happening. As much as I would like it to happen, that's not happening. Let them go to the let it happen after the Super Bowl. Let them have a good time vacationing in Hawaii. But I'm, I know I sound like I'm slowing to Shador, because he his stats says he's not a Pro Bowler, but you gotta put Pro Bowl in front of his name now. Especially if you make multiple Pro Bowls in the future, nobody's gonna remember that you made this quote-unquote Fulgenzi Pro Bowl, especially if you make more. But Pro Bowler Shador Sanders, what's your reaction?

SPEAKER_01 36:06

I don't know. We're not even counting this. It's gonna count to us his contract. We need one talk to people. And like you said, they're gonna introduce himself. I don't want to discredit what Shadow. I'm not trying to discredit Shador. You know what I'm saying? He made he had a great college career. He's made it to the NFL. So I don't want to come off like I'm hate too much, but I'm also gonna be in the reality of the situation. He only got her because a bunch of other people said no. So okay. And then the Pro Bowl. It's an all-star game. It's an exhibition. They don't invite her.

SPEAKER_00 36:44

It's not even an exhibition. They're out there playing flag football.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Dodgeball.

Steelers Choose Mike McCarthy

SPEAKER_01 36:50

Oh well, I well, I say exhibition, the point I was gonna make was kind of like the NBA exhibition. Like the NBA's all-star game. These players don't really care. They just they just going because we have most of it's just we go off, we go because we're gonna do it for the fans. To be real, most of them is that's why they go on. They're going because the fans they get they, you know what I'm saying, a chance to do some extra endorsement deals or whatever. That's why I kind of like it's in the same city as the Super Bowl, because it's a certain fact, those players get to also make some other bread outside of it. Because they get to do, like, you know, have conversations here or have conversations there and push endorsement deals. All right, you gonna be there this week? Can you sign up? We're gonna pay you to endorse our product. That's why I kind of like it being there because it's an opportunity for the players to make more money. I think if you move it back to Hawaii, not even I think more players. I think you would give more players with the uh the participation. Hawaii, you'll get more participation from players because, like you said, they're gonna use it as a vacation, they're gonna take their families on it on it. So I see a case for both options. Either going back to Hawaii or doing it the week before the Super Bowl in a city in the place of the Super Bowl, because like I said, for much. I think both of them's good options. I just think which which one you gonna be? And then part of the reason they left Hawaii is because that football stadium in Hawaii ain't good no more. But like you, like but like you said, it's just they do play football now, so it ain't even the same.

SPEAKER_00 39:32

Yeah, they uh it it's no the Pro Bowl is not the game it used to be, you know. You see the video of Sean Taylor killing the punter. They just they're not doing that no more. But it's but it's also because football ain't the same what it used to be.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

Yeah, you can't like that no more. So the football gonna change. So of course the the exhibition of the football is gonna change, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:56

No, no, I don't know, it it's weird, but I will say Congratulations for Shador. Now, anytime somebody mentions you, they gotta put Pro Bowler in front of us. Pro bowler Shador Sanders, congratulations. You got a new coach in Todd Munckin, who coached the MVP and Lamar Jackson. Hopefully he can do something with you. Because at Cleveland, they they stake up here. I'm just I'm sorry. Hopefully you can do something up there. But you are Pro. Congratulations. You are.

SPEAKER_01 40:25

I think he will, I think he will help you do it. I do.

SPEAKER_00 40:29

But uh let's go ahead and switch gears for our final topic. Uh the NBA trade deadline is next week. Next time you hear from us, the trade deadline will have come and gone, and we will have our reaction to all the big trades or little trades that happened. One thing that's better, one thing about the NBA trade deadline, some stuff is gonna happen. It ain't like it's the NFL where it's a lot of smoke and not a lot of fire. NBA something gonna happen. And I believe at least one big player is gonna get traded where it's John Morant, where it's Anthony Davis, where it's Giannis, but Giannis is like the big fish. Where you think he's going, or do you think he's going anywhere? Because apparently the Milwaukee Bucks, they're trying to be buyers instead of sellers. Or they trying to. I hear that the Bills is trying to buy instead of sell, or they're trying to be like some small sellers so they can tank and get a nice draft and try to sell that for Giannis. If that don't work, then they'll trade them in the offseason. But what you think? How this gonna play out? And I'm hearing the Knicks is in is in it too.

SPEAKER_01 41:33

Yeah, I this whole the Giannis situation to me is very he don't it's like he don't want to be the bad guy, he don't want to be the villain in anybody's story, so he don't want to he don't want to come out and demand the trade, but he also wants to be traded. It's like he's going he wants to, I'm going outside, but I'm on tiptoe when I'm out going out the door because I don't want to wake up the neighbors type shit. Like, bro, what you if you want to leave, leave. They're not gonna judge you, big dog. You you already got a championship for him. The fans in Milwaukee already, I don't this is me, I'm not in Milwaukee, but from the stuff I read online, I don't think the fans of Milwaukee are gonna look at you no with no ill intent. Now, if this drags on to where you don't get traded, you have to trade that long, then it's they might they might start raising the eye towards the end of the season, like bro, we should have got rid of him last year. We should have got rid of him at the I mean no last year at the early at the middle of year. Where do I think I see him going? That's the other problem with it is Golden State probably has the best offer. Because you get Jonathan Camingo, you get they also have their own draft picks, and then you can get the Jimmy Butler money that you can just wipe off your books. Golden State probably makes the most sense. But if you Milwaukee, am I really trading him the Golden State? And how bad are they gonna be? Miami also is an option, but Miami's always an option, and they don't feel I feel like they don't ever get nobody.

SPEAKER_00 43:14

Before you continue, I'm a pseudo-Miami fan, not really, but I was a wave fan, so I kind of like Miami. Reports are Miami's they they waiting for Giannis and free agency, and it's every they waiting for such and such big name and free agency. These big names don't hit free agency, dog. They don't, not no more. Pat, they don't hit free agency. You gotta get them when they want to get out from trade. LeBron, LeBron was a rarity, that's because he wanted to. These guys don't hit free agency. Stop assuming that these guys are gonna hit free agency. I'm sorry, he can continue. Just being a pseudo, he fan. I was upset. I could imagine being a diehard, he feel uh so Miami.

Rookie Awards And DPOY

SPEAKER_01 43:56

I know New York is there, but it also, so if they was gonna do it and keep cat, it's kind of hard now because Mikhail Bridges signed a contract extension in the offseason. So now the money don't get a little shaky now. So now you actually have to trade Cat. Because before you just turn Mikhail and OG together and you get Giannis and you're good to go. Now you gotta trade Kat. And I know Kat ain't getting along with uh Mike Brown, but still, if I'm Nick, the New York Knicks, if I remember right, they only got either one or two picks. So what if I get cat and some picks? I'm basically in the same boat with a with a player that's not as good. Probably don't want to be there. I said this before on this pod, I think probably it was a couple weeks ago. Until that man comes out with his whole chest and say, I want to be gone, I'm gonna put I'm gonna shop. I'm gonna be a buyer. I'm going to continue to approve this team and do things that could make this roster better. If I'm them, I'm gonna go get jobs. I don't know how they go get job because they don't really got the contracts to make it work, but I go get jobs. Or Lamello, I go get somebody to first because I go to Giannis and be like, okay, what if I go get you this? Because basically, he wanted some help. And you can't really blame him.

SPEAKER_00 45:16

All right, so yeah, we're not gonna go each and every superstar, but I do gotta ask you a question before we get out of here. Giannis one, job Morant two, Lamello three, Anthony Davis four. Those are the four guys who are hot and on the trade block. When we come back next week on this podcast to talk about who got traded, do you see one, none, or all four of them getting traded?

unknown 45:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 45:44

If I had to put money on it, like you know, like I'm getting on one of those and sort in certain sports batting situations here that you be doing, I'm gonna say one. And then one is Anthony Davis. Okay. Because I even think even the Yannish trade is gonna be hard to do. It's gonna have to, it's probably gonna evolve a three team, you know what I mean? So I'm going with the one. Because I don't even know if the Hornets really won't trade Melo at this point.

SPEAKER_00 46:11

All right, so uh one more question before we got here. Not well, not necessarily trade-related, but a prediction or possibility that could happen. Uh LeBron was in Cleveland, I believe, last night and the night before. First off, this reporter said some nonsense and said Donovan Mitchell runs Cleveland Hill. I don't know what that reporter was thinking. You know, Cleveland is LeBron City and will forever will be LeBron City. You probably just, you know, got some ill will. But we all know LeBron tried, he put a little smoke screen out there and said this might be his last time playing in Cleveland. I believe when I see it, I think he's playing next year. But there was some stuff that came out. Gini Bus reportedly said some things that felt like LeBron wasn't great for them drafting Bronny, this, that, and third. Sounds like LeBron is headed for a breakup with the Lakers. Where do you think he will go for his last season? Because I believe next season will be his last season. And Cleveland did come out and said that they will bring, they would gladly welcome LeBron with open arms. And honestly, from my perspective, any team should, especially if it's gonna be his last season, because that's money waiting to happen. LeBron's last season, he could have his last season for the Shane High Sharks. They're gonna make Burret out the yin-yin. Do you think he's gonna be in Cleveland? I heard New York Knicks was a possibility, but I feel like all 29 other teams should be like, hey, if you want to have your last season, come on. We will make it work. Where do you think LeBron's having his last season at? Possibly next season.

SPEAKER_01 47:52

I think, okay. I'm gonna say Cleveland. I think realistically it's Cleveland, but hear me out. I did just say Jordan State has the best, the best package to trade for Giannis. Giannis Stephanie LeBron.

SPEAKER_00 48:06

Last season for LeBron too. Ooh, that's that money. Boy, them tickets are gonna cost$300 for the nose, bleeds, probably more. You don't be about watching the game with Mike Jack. Mike Jack, Mike.

SPEAKER_01 48:21

But realistically, I think it's Cleveland. But because of what I just said, Giannis go to Golden State. I'm LeBron. LeBron always buy his money. I'm gonna get as much money as I can.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

He took enough pay cuts when I was in Miami. He said he ain't doing that no more.

SPEAKER_01 48:36

But one last pay cut to play with Giannis and Steph, and I get one more ring.

Comeback, OPOY, And MVP

SPEAKER_00 48:41

And honestly, like the I'm sure he gets money for his jersey sales, for the amount of money he's gonna make that last season, they gonna be Kobe. I remember Kobe's last season. It's gonna be that plus 10.

SPEAKER_01 49:01

Yeah, so yeah, nah. Golden State would be a very interesting B B very interesting. But if I had to if I had a rank on, I'm going Cleveland War. Golden State actually is my number two. With without Giannis, I think he because him it's just like, hey man, I'm gonna one last year, man. I'm gonna keep it with stealth. One last round, two old heads. Um I think the Lakers, hell, I might even put uh New York above the Lakers. I don't I think that's over.

SPEAKER_00 49:32

I think he's gonna I don't think he's come back to the Lakers. I I think there's some fire to that smoke about Genie Bus not being happy. She came out and said, she basically came out and didn't deny it, but she came out and said some stuff. She didn't deny it though, so I feel like part of that report was true of her feeling like LeBron was ungrateful.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

So no, I think, but yeah, if I had to rank them, um I'm getting I got um Cleveland at one, Golden State at two, hell, New York three, and then Lakers somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 50:05

Yeah, I I I do think it probably not had to be Cleveland, but I'd be shocked if it's anybody but Cleveland force last season. Kind of just makes sense that money Cleveland gonna make is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 50:17

But I disagree with something you said. I think Donovan Mitchell does run to Cleveland now. Really? Yeah. I mean LeBron LeBron comes back for one more year. It's Donovan Mitchell's team now.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

I mean, yeah, yeah, it would still be his team, but well, LeBron means the Cleveland, ain't nobody touching that.

SPEAKER_01 50:38

Yeah, that's sentimental. We're talking about who's the best player on this team and who do who the organization is gonna side with going forward. Okay, you're right, because right now they sign with Luca. Yeah, it's not a Mitchell, because that'll be Mitchell's our future. Okay, LeBron's only here for a year. Donald Mitchell's gonna be here where we hope five years after that.

SPEAKER_00 51:01

So yeah, no, but yeah, but yeah, that'll do it for another episode from our perspective again. Trade deadline, February 5th, and next Thursday. We will be here talking about all the trades that's gonna happen. Something's gonna happen. I said the four names that I believe are gonna get traded. One of them is gonna get traded. Uh, if LeBron gets traded, we'll probably have an emergency podcast for that. Although we'll see. I don't think it will be, but I'm just throwing that out if LeBron gets traded. But those are the four, we will talk about it next Thursday. If one of the four gets traded, or if all of the four gets traded, next Thursday. You will hear from us. Next week is gonna be a big week as well. As we'll also be talking about the Super Bowl. We ain't forgetting about the Super Bowl. We talk about it next week, guys. Don't worry, we'll talk about it. Shout out to the CLC all to the New England Patriots for making it to the Super Bowl. But again, that's a do it for another episode of From Our Perspective. I'm your boy Dion. Go ahead and hit that like button. Go ahead, that subscribe button. Go ahead and tell us who you think LeBron will play for next season, if he comes back next season for his 21rd, 24th, 24th and final season. Who you think he's going to play for if he plays next season, and it is his last season. So again, like, subscribe, leave a comment, hit that link in the bio and buy some merch. Valentine's Day is coming up. You're shorty. She might need one of them blankets. She's cold. It's been below freezing for like 10 days straight here where we're at. It's been a snow blizzard, pretty much half of the United States. Y'all need some blankets. Get your from our perspective blanket. And while you cuddled up, trying to warm up, pop on another episode. You know, you can go back and listen to our Hall of Fame episode for Christmas special. Because we have some good stuff. We're going to talk about Bill Pelichek more probably next season when he's in the Hall of Fame, because he will be in the Hall of Fame next year. I guarantee it. But once again, I'm your boy Dion. Thank you for joining us. Can you go ahead and take us home?

SPEAKER_01 52:59

Me and you are another batch. It's your boy, Mr. Bad. I can't say your name up on the spot. Mine out from two ma. Real quick. Is there like a UFC match or something going on this weekend? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You gonna watch it? Probably not. I got I got stuff to do. Okay, cool. Well, the next big UFC match, Deon's gonna talk about it on the five. Because he watches this. He's gonna get y'all a UFC minute. I got y'all. I got y'all. But we're gonna holler at y'all like a