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Extended Warranty? More Like Extended Greed

OneOne21 Productions Season 1 Episode 5

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A shiny certificate, a friendly voice, and the promise of “bumper-to-bumper” peace of mind—then, when the car breaks, nothing. We discuss one of the "greediest" scams, a booming auto warranty scheme that turned junk mail and cold calls into millions. Printing paperwork that looked official but rarely paid out.

If a rep pressures you to “lock in” today, that urgency is your cue to walk away. We also preview our plan to revisit this case and others, tracking updates and compiling clear consumer tips to help you avoid the next polished pitch.

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Opening Banter & Tease Of Case

SPEAKER_02

Greedy Moffa Catch your coins by the world burn slow greedy mouthfuls all for a send show greedy mouthfuls every promise that you make we know Greedy Moffels Greedy Moffal Hello Greedy Mofo fans how is everyone tonight?

SPEAKER_01

Um Alston, how are you doing?

SPEAKER_03

I am doing well. I am doing really, really well. What about yourself?

SPEAKER_01

I am good. Um had a great day. I am I've been waiting all day to hear about your case. I don't know why. I'm just so excited. I just cannot wait to hear what you have for the greedy mouthbook and well, um I can't say that I'm excited.

Junk Mail And Warranty Pitches

SPEAKER_03

I think it's an interesting case. I can't believe how easy it was to scam these people. But I mean, well, let me tell you how I came about this case. Okay. So, you know how you get stuff in the mail? And you get all these offers, you know. Oh, and it could be everything from yeah, everything from like different types of insurance, and then you might get ones like, okay, rebuild a bathroom or you know, some kind of health, something, another, you know, all kinds of offers. And I keep getting them, even though I keep saying I don't want any junk mail. And then I remember opening one, and I kind of looked at it and thought about it because I was like, maybe I should get this additional car warranty. Have you heard about those offers?

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh, yes. I I get them.

SPEAKER_03

Uh yeah, yeah, and then we see the commercials on TV and it's Car Shield and Home Shield and all these other kinds of stuff, right? Right. Well, it kind of reminded me of something that I heard about a while back, and it was called the Car Con. Ooh, the Car Con. The Car Con. Do you remember that? Does that ring a bell?

SPEAKER_01

Nope, not those words. Maybe once you get into it, I might recall. Okay. But as of right now, nothing is coming to mind.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, so basically, it was two brothers

Enter The “Car Con” And Two Brothers

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and they started this national auto warranty service.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Okay. And so it was like they were selling vehicle service contracts, kind of like the Car Shield and everything. And I'm not saying that Car Shield is doing this and pulling the scalp, but they were like selling these vehicle service contracts and getting people to buy these warranty services, right? Okay. But when the people tried to take their vehicle in, the warranty was worthless.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01

So, okay, so it's like a discounted repair service, sort of.

SPEAKER_03

Sort of. So basically they would do code calling. And this was like when they first started, because just like the nurse that you talked about last week, well, the home the woman that started the home health thing, and how she had a criminal background. Well, so did these brothers. And I'm like, if you have a criminal background, how do you set up these businesses and you can take people's money, right? But it's been going on for years and it will continue to go on, right? So they basically started very small because one of their brothers worked for a car dealership. Okay. Okay. And so I guess he was studying what was going on in the car dealership and how they would make extra money selling cars if they got the customers to buy the extended warranties.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03

And we do that when we buy cars. We decide do we want the extended warranty or not, you know?

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Right.

SPEAKER_03

So these greedy mofos started their own warranty service. Okay. And so that

How The Fake Warranties Worked

SPEAKER_03

they would contact people first by phone, okay, and sell these people, all unsuspecting individuals, and sometimes they targeted the elderly or older people and would send out the direct mail marketing and stuff like this back in the day, you know, and they would sell these warranties and they would the warranty, the price would be anywhere from $1,000 to $2,000 or $3,000 per plan. And then what they would do is they would print out like a fake warranty certificate and mail that to them and say, here's a proof of your warranty. This is after the people paid for it, right? Right. But then when people would have like something wrong with their car, and they were told like they could take it to any mechanic and it would get fixed. And I mean, they just sold them the whole world, basically. And so when this happened later, when people would later take to get the their car repaired or something, nobody would honor the warranty. But before that, because you know you reach out to people and it might take them a while before they have any trouble with their cars. So they realized, man, these people are buying these warranties. We need to increase our sales. So they went from like a two-person operation to like a five-person operation. And then later they set up this huge call system, you know, and they would hire people, and these people would call and they would convince these people to buy these warranties over the phone, and they had like certain rules for the for the call for the callers, the sellers on the phone, and so that if somebody called asking for a refund, they wouldn't offer them a refund. And then if somebody called and said that, no, I'm

Scaling Up: Call Centers And Scripts

SPEAKER_03

not interested in that, he would say sell them a warranty no matter what their price point is. Just find out how much they're willing to spend and just sell it to them. So he was really greedy and just all about getting as many warranties sold as he could, right? So once it got to the point to where it was really, really, really profitable, he set up where he had copy machines and printing out like a hundred to five hundred warranties a day, and he was just mailing them out and sending them to people, and then they had the call center, and they must have made like a hundred million dollars or more in the short time that they were in business.

SPEAKER_01

Do you have like stats for this? Do you is that a true number? A hundred and three.

SPEAKER_03

That's a true number. So they ran this scam for about two years before they got caught. So, like between 2006 and 2008, they made 71 million dollars between themselves.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03

They bought mansions, real estate. I mean, they just spent the money as soon as they was making it. They owned vacation homes in Lake Tahoe and the Cayman Islands. They had like luxury automobiles, they had a 50-foot yacht, like 11 boats, 14 motorcycles. So they had the money coming in, right?

SPEAKER_01

Okay. Where where did they start out? Where where did this occur? They had to have a physical presence first. So where did they start out?

SPEAKER_03

They well, once they kind of got started, because they kind of started after the brother. I'm gonna say his name was Dorain. One of the brothers, his name was Dorain. The one that worked at the car dealership, yes, and he was selling cars in St. Louis. Okay, okay. So this is at that time, yeah. St. Louis was like a big hub for the auto service contract industry. Okay, okay. So then in 2001, the two brothers, Dorain and Corey Atkison. Okay. Does that name ring a bell? Nope. Okay.

Lavish Spending And Rapid Growth

SPEAKER_03

So together they launched their company.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

And it the company went through several different names. In 2001, it was called Big Time Productions. Then they kind of started with originally the National Auto Warranty Services, and then it turned into U.S. Fidelis. That's probably where everybody might recognize them because U.S. Fidelis was the name that they were using when they got caught, and everything kind of went down from there.

SPEAKER_01

It sounds so honorable.

SPEAKER_03

It does. Anything with U.S. in front of it, people are just falling.

SPEAKER_01

Fidelis, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_03

And so the thing that they basically, you know, they basically was selling these service contracts, and they were marketing them as like bumper-to-bumper extended warranties. Now, the reason they got away with it for so long was because it was a certain language that they used in describing the warranties, and they were filled with like certain exclusions that allowed them to deny most of the claims that people brought. Okay. So you know how people don't read the fine print, just kind of like those, um, those those those prescription drug commercials, and then they tell you all the side effects, and then they have to think about it. Yeah, every time I see one of those, I just laugh. I'm like, why would people even take this drug if it has all these side effects? You know? So when you see these warranties, right, most times people don't see read the fine print. And so if it says, oh, bumper to bumper extended warranty, how much is it gonna cost me? A thousand dollars, two thousand dollars? Oh, that's not a lot because if something happens to my car, it might cost me three thousand or four thousand dollars to fix it, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

So people were buying these warranties and they were pushing them so so much that he basically just built his own in-house warranty company printing off these fake warranty

St. Louis Roots And Company Rebrands

SPEAKER_03

certificates that they would get after they paid for the warranty. And with the salespeople, you don't know what these salespeople were actually telling them.

SPEAKER_02

No, they have a script.

SPEAKER_03

They were just following a script. So he had like 300 salespeople at one time in the 300. And it's kind of like if you have 300 people calling everybody, because this was back before, you know, cell phones and all this other kind of stuff, and convincing them to buy this warranty over the phone. And imagine how many sales they were probably making per day, and the owners, the brothers, just kept pushing the people to sell more, sell more, sell more. Never get off the phone without selling something, right?

SPEAKER_01

So, so not one repair was ever covered, like in the history of all of this, did they pay for anything at all? Ever?

SPEAKER_03

That wasn't made very clear from what I can tell, from what I researched and read, okay, that majority, like 99% of the stuff that they wanted to get their car repaired for, or if somebody came back and say they're not honoring this warranty, I would say that they didn't refund, they didn't refund any warranties. They just refused to refund any warranties.

SPEAKER_01

And did they pay for any repairs?

SPEAKER_03

Only if, and even the mechanic shops and the repair shops couldn't tell if the warranty was fake or not. Only if the repair shop would accept the warranty without trying to find out who issued the warranty. Oh, and then they may just look at the warranty. Yeah, it could be like a like a garage street mechanic or something like that, a garage mechanic, and he'll look at the warranty and say, Yeah, we'll fix this. But it was something minor, it was nothing major. Any major repairs weren't covered.

SPEAKER_01

Okay,

Fine Print, Exclusions, And Denials

SPEAKER_01

so if if the mechanic accepted the warranty, how did it be?

SPEAKER_03

Then the mechanic was out of the money because they wouldn't pay the mechanic. Holy they would have some exception and they would tell the mechanic, no, we don't cover that.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I was gonna say so they kept rebranding, probably because they would get caught, so they would have to rebrand and keep doing their business. So, how many companies did they operate under? You said three or four within a matter of a few years, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

It's they they started off small, and then as they grew bigger, they would change their name. So the final name was the U.S. Fidelis. They started off with the National Auto Warranty Services.

SPEAKER_01

So who bought one that had some power and was able to take them down? Who did it?

SPEAKER_03

It wasn't one person, okay. Okay, by 2006, when they had like over 300 employees and they were just generating tens of millions of dollars in distributions for the brothers and everything. So in 2006, I would probably say that maybe toward 2005, I had to look at the court records again, that people were complaining that they weren't getting a refund and their warranties weren't being accepted, honored. And so with enough complaints, that kind of raised the flag. And so once it raised the flag, then that's when like the FBI or the um uh I think they were like reporting it to the Better Business Bureau, they were reporting it. Yeah, so they were trying to bring uh I want to say they were trying to bring a class action suit, but I don't think that went through. And so after a while, the I the IRS began an investigation, the FBI began an investigation, so it was across state lines, yeah. I mean, every um attorney general's office began an investigation, and so it turned into something really, really, really big. Really big. And so if we go into what happened after they got sued and after the you know, attorney generals and everybody was coming after them, okay. Owners of U.S. Fidelis was barred from telemarketing or selling auto service contracts in 11 states. So it was like a big multi-state thing they were that everybody was going after them because how do you it's can you ban someone from telemarketing?

SPEAKER_01

That seems impossible.

SPEAKER_03

How does somebody not get caught before they spit they bank a hundred million dollars? I know, and then what about the other the other 39 states? Yeah, and then what the 300 people working for them, they didn't think something was wrong, they weren't making millions, they

Complaints Mount And Regulators Move In

SPEAKER_03

were probably making minimum wage, you know, and I'm kind of like, wait a minute now, they were in business for how many years before somebody finally decided to take action? They already made all the money, bought the mansions and boats and cars and stuff. I mean, just because they were even greedier and still trying to do it after I mean, they knew the roof was gonna come crashing down eventually. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So they had a good old life up until that time.

SPEAKER_01

Yep, yep. Um, so were all their assets seized and their cash seized? What what happened now? What where where are they today?

SPEAKER_03

Well, right now, let let's just say they did get arrested. Okay, okay, they sort of got away to an extent because there were of the language of the warranty. Okay. All right. So, yeah, so they had like oh my god, because they were charged with so many different things, deceptive trade practices, um telemarketing, misleading information and consumers, misrepresentation. I mean, they were just doing so much, right? So they claimed they thought they were smart, though. This is how greedy mofos work now. They knew that they were somebody was coming after them, right? They knew that they were gonna be owing a lot of money, right?

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

So once they got to the point to where it was brought to court or they was trying to, you know, settle the case and everything like that, they offered to settle the case and pay a certain amount of money. Okay, they was like, no, we don't want to go to jail, let's settle, we'd be willing to pay. Oh, out of everything that they earned or something like that, they were willing to pay a portion of it.

SPEAKER_01

Of their ill-gotten gains, they used that to make their settlement.

SPEAKER_03

Mm-hmm. And so in trying to reach the settlement and everything, they owed Washington, the state, Washington, more than 4.6 million in civil penalties, as well as costs from all the attorneys and all this other kind of stuff. So they was kind of like, okay, well, we could pay that. Hell, they made over a hundred million. So they settled the civil, we'll pay the civil penalties kind of thing, right? So the government was like, oh, okay, so what about

Multi‑State Actions And Asset Seizures

SPEAKER_03

different states? This is Washington, the settlement they had with Washington, the state of Washington. They had different states. Remember, they had 11 states that they were, right? The states that participated in the settlement: Arkansas, Idaho, Iowa, Kansas, North Carolina, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, who not surprised there, Washington, and Wisconsin. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

All right. So each state, you know, they were trying to settle. They didn't want to go to jail, so they were trying to settle. So they had to surrender millions in assets. So that was like a 40,000 square foot mansion, a 50-foot yacht, boats, autos, motorcycles, and all this other kind of stuff. Okay. So because of all of that, and one of the ways that they kind of skirted having to pay some of the settlements, they filed bankruptcy. I'm kind of like, wait a minute now. You made all this money, you finally got caught. You're willing to settle, but it's not, you don't want to settle and pay so much, so you're going to file bankruptcy.

SPEAKER_01

Well, of course, that's the easy way out.

SPEAKER_03

That's some smart, greedy mofos, I tell you.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Now, do you know what the language was that that allowed them to get less punishment?

SPEAKER_03

No, I would have to look into the actual court documents for that. And I'm gonna follow up on this because I I was looking so fast and going through so many different things because I was like, this sounds familiar. This sounds familiar. And I want to say the reason it sounds familiar was because this must have been an episode on American Greed a while back. Okay, okay, that's why to me it was like familiar. Yeah, but I don't actually remember the episode, but um, and I couldn't find the episode because I was gonna watch it before I did the podcast today. So I'm just going by what I found online, and I'm looking at the court document, the Washington State, Office of the Attorney General. And so I'm looking at the settlement that they made with them. So that's the one I'm going by. But they had 10 other states they had to settle with, but they didn't want to go to jail, but then they filed. Bankruptcy. So the last I heard is that

Bankruptcy, Charges, And Sentencing

SPEAKER_03

they did go to jail. 2012 Corey Atkinson was sentenced to 40 months in federal prison for conspiracy and tax fraud. And his brother Darren also faced legal consequences for his role, but they didn't say if he was sent to jail yet. So I think that part of this is still being litigated.

SPEAKER_01

Wow. So was it federal prison or the state jail that they went to?

SPEAKER_03

Corey went to conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud, stealing by deceit, tax fraud. I mean, they were just charged with all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, they made a lot of money.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they made a lot of money. But they was charged with all kinds of stuff. So Courtney sentenced to federal prison.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it sounds federal.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and Dorain is still facing legal consequences. But then I want to say that Dorain did go to prison.

SPEAKER_01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03

He was married.

SPEAKER_01

Did the wife go to prison too?

SPEAKER_03

Was she complicit or just none of the articles that I read said anything about the wife? So I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, she was enjoying all that money.

SPEAKER_01

Of course. Yeah. And you know, my husband's bringing in millions upon millions upon millions, and I have no idea where he goes to the office every day. Um, that just, yeah. I mean, that's very sketchy.

SPEAKER_03

And I mean, it's it's more, honey. It's I know. Oh, we have another boat. We already have 10.

SPEAKER_01

Well, thank you, honey. Happy anniversary. Here's another yacht.

SPEAKER_03

And I'm just kind of like, oh my

How Did They Slip Through Checks

SPEAKER_03

God. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff that I learned from watching this about, you know, what not to fall for when you're looking at warranties and service contracts and stuff like that. But a lot of that, they said that that's that's not even a unique case. There's so much of that going on.

SPEAKER_01

Well, they they play on your emotions. That's that's how these fraud cases, you know, snowball because you know, people think, oh, this is gonna help me. I know I'm gonna have a repair eventually, and this will save me money. Pay a little now, save a lot later, and yeah, why why not?

SPEAKER_03

You know, yeah. Well, at least the people were smart enough to report them to the Better Business Bureau because the Better Business Bureau at one point said that over three years, more than 1,100 people filed complaints about them.

SPEAKER_01

So it was kind of like only 1100.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, 71 million. People be like, I mean, they'll be pissed and they'll be like, Well, I shouldn't have fallen for that, I shouldn't have spent that money next time I've been, you know, they're not giving me a refund and they're tired of fighting for a refund and all this other kind of stuff, you know. And then some and then the warranties did have like an expiration date, and maybe it was past the expiration date and stuff like that. Yeah, but you know, I mean, there's watchdog groups out there for consumers that people can report to, you know, with deceptive trade practices. Go tell somebody that somebody took advantage of you, you know.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, but it took them that long before they got caught, you know, a few years before they got caught. But the thing that gets me is the fact that he was in prison before. Oh, yeah, and then he comes out and then he builds uh of his wealth up to several million dollars. Wow.

SPEAKER_01

So, what kind of business was he in before?

SPEAKER_03

I don't know what kind of business he was in, but he was a convicted thief, burglar, check forger, and counterfeiter. Oh my good with counterfeiting these warranties, I guess. So that that just played right into his wheelhouse, just like our kid last week.

SPEAKER_01

They uh Sharon Romain Warrant, she concealed her ownership with the new LLC, and I guess that's just easy to do somehow. They don't check into the beneficial ownership.

SPEAKER_03

Um, and that hopefully these types of well I'm sorry, but I mean, there's a check and balance system on this stuff, you know. I mean that you you that when you submit. There should be. Yeah, when you submit stuff if you're starting a business, especially one that deals with something with money, there has to be a better check and balance system. Look into the custom person's background and all that, but I guess

Celebrity Ads And Legit Services

SPEAKER_03

they don't want to infringe on your rights or whatever. But I'm like, I'll do a background check on somebody in a minute.

SPEAKER_01

There are some legitimate, legitimate ones out there, so this would hurt their chances of getting future business because there really are some good ones, which is probably like the Car Shield. They've got uh Ice T and Vivica Fox doing their spokes, uh they're the spokespeople for it. And I think even uh Chris Berman does it, so they have to pay big bucks to get these celebrities who people are comfortable with, and and hopefully, you know, these celebrities do their due diligence because they're attaching their name to something that gives consumers confidence and like uh on the really good ones.

SPEAKER_03

Um, and it just kind of makes you just kind of makes you hesitate, you know. I'm gonna be skeptical of anything that comes across my desk now, if it's any kind of yeah, and you should check it out too, you know. Absolutely, yeah. So to me, I mean, yeah, they were to me they were greedy in the sense to where they just wanted more money and more money, and they were never satisfied. I mean, one seven million dollar mansion is enough, you know. Uh 14 motorcycles, who the hell needs 14 motorcycles?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, like when is when it's too much? What is too much? That that is greed beyond the normal greed. This is it's just too much. Too too much.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, and it and it makes you wonder, it's kind of like these greedy mofos, man. I mean, how much how

Greed Scale And Psychology

SPEAKER_03

much do you really need, or do you really need another car? Go do something good with that money.

SPEAKER_01

It's it's not a matter of need, it's like it's they're sociopaths because they have no empathy for people losing their money. These are complete sociopaths or psychopaths or both. And you know, and they take advantage of going on, and and it's compulsive, they just want more and more and more. So, yeah, so this is beyond greed because had they never gotten caught, they would have never suffered a financial the rest of their life, yeah, and still doing it and keep getting more. I I don't understand that, but maybe that's why I'm not a greedy mofo and not a sociopath that I know of.

SPEAKER_03

Okay, to me, to me, on the scale of one to ten for greedy motherfuckers, they're a twelve to fifteen.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and you know, again, back to yesterday, they didn't hurt anybody, but but this is pretty darn greedy. So I I'm gonna give them a nine. I'm gonna give them a nine.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Because going on and on and on, and the amount of money that they had in their bank account, they they could have stopped, and they yeah, I I'm gonna say nine.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah. And and I'm gonna look into this some more because I think I'm getting to a point too after I hear these cases that we're discussing, I kind of want to know, okay, what how did it really end? So we're gonna have to have like a wrap-up show. Because I remember watching, I remember watching Bloomberg, and I was watching the David Rubinstein show. And remember the first episode, Murder in Monaco? Yes, and you remember the guy that was murdered, and he had a banker business partner that was doing all his money deals.

SPEAKER_01

Uh I I think so, yes.

SPEAKER_03

Uh well, he was being interviewed. I don't know when this interview took place, but he was being interviewed on the David Rubenstein show, and he was talking about how he started this nonprofit because his Russian informant was killed and allegedly by

Plans For Follow‑Ups And Investigations

SPEAKER_03

Putin and his people. And he was he started this nonprofit because he really didn't do anything wrong, he was targeted for some reason, and I caught only part of the interview, but that kind of made me, you know, like you know what, we're gonna have to have a follow-up episode and follow up on some of these cases and see where they stand today and where the people are. And so I want to do that with with him, and um, I want to do it with these guys, yes, yes, and Sharon Romaine Ward from last week, too. I'd like to find out what's going on, yeah. Because I'm just kind of like they need to be buried under the jail, you know. I mean, they really do, they took advantage of people, and they're gonna do it again when they get out, they're gonna move to another state, yeah, start another business under different names.

SPEAKER_01

Good case. This was very interesting.

SPEAKER_03

I enjoyed hearing about this, and um don't purchase any warranties.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, absolutely not, absolutely not. That's not in the cards for me. I'll pay for my own repairs.

SPEAKER_03

Just be very careful and check out the business before you spend any money or buy anything from anybody.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, and that's something we need to find out and tell our listeners when we do a recap on this one, is to find out how do they research these warranty companies. So that is something we will circle back on and find out how how to do your research if you do want to buy a warranty.

SPEAKER_03

Correct. We should start leaving tips and everything so people don't get scammed because we don't want our listeners to be scammed by any greedy mofos. We're gonna start putting out the alerts and we're gonna do greedy mofos investigations. Listen to us. Watch out for these greedy mofos. Heads up, people. All right, so hopefully that was enough for your excitement. When you say you were excited to hear what I had.

SPEAKER_01

I was, I was. It was very interesting, and thank you very much for bringing that to our attention. Well, good, good, good, good, good.

SPEAKER_03

Well, that's the end of another episode of Greedy Mofos. Anything

Closing, Warnings, And Social Links

SPEAKER_03

else you want to say before we sign off?

SPEAKER_01

No, this is Pippa signing off, and I will have a doozy of a case for you next week.

SPEAKER_03

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SPEAKER_03

Alright, well, that's another end to a greedy mofo episode. So we will see ta-ta for now. Beware the greedy mofos.

SPEAKER_01

Absolutely, don't be a greedy mofo. Have a good night, Afton.

SPEAKER_03

You too, Peppa. Greedy Mofos. Greedy Mofos.

SPEAKER_02

Anything for the money, that's the only code.