Crypto, Lies & Body Parts

We unpack the Fintopia saga led by Roman Novak—how a convicted fraudster rebranded himself in Dubai, launched another scam, raised hundreds of millions on the back of slick fintech talk, and lulled global investors with luxury optics and embellished fantasy partnerships. The hype felt unstoppable, until crypto wallets froze, excuses piled up, and a “high-security” investor meeting turned into a one-way trip. This story will have you scratching your heads, saying "WTF?!?" were they thinking! 

Greed and more greed. Stupid Greedy Motherf#@kers!

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Transcript

Greetings And Tease Of A Gruesome Case

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Greedy muffle. Greedy mouthful. Greedy mouthful. Every promise that you make.

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Greedy muffle.

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Greedy mouthful. Greedy mouthful.

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Hello, greedy mouthful fans. How are you this evening? Alston, how are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:26

I'm doing well. How are you doing?

SPEAKER_00 0:30

Fantastic. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

I'm excited and ready to get in today's episode. Because I told you I was gonna come up with something gruesome. And it was all due to how greedy they were.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

Oh my gosh. Okay. Um, I'm ready to jump in if you are.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

Yeah, let's just jump into it because I'm sure you're gonna have a lot of questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:06

Okay, all right, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 1:09

All right, so let's just start me. I'm gonna just start off by saying how we tell people to do their due diligence, you know. So far, we've had in the past episodes people that has that has been in jail, gotten out of jail, and still were able to perpetrate crimes. So true, so true. At least two that we have discussed recently. Yes. Well, this one is no different. Oh, gee. Okay, all right, and this one is going way on the other side of the globe, okay? Oh right. So there's this gentleman, and I'm gonna use gentleman loosely, got it. His name was Roman Novak. He was a Russian entrepreneur and he dabbled in crypto.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Okay, okay, okay.

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So anything that has to do with crypto, excuse me if you hear my cat in the background.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

I hear kitty. I hear kitty.

SPEAKER_02 2:23

Kitty wants to play. Kitty's like, get off the computer. You've been on the computer all day. Okay. All right. So back in the day, he was a Russian businessman from St. Petersburg. Okay. Okay. Very polished, very accomplished.

Enter Roman Novak And Fintopia

SPEAKER_02 2:42

But in 2020, he was convicted of fraud in Russia. Okay. Large, large-scale fraud. They didn't say what, they just said fraud. Okay. So he served some prison time, but he got out early. When he got out, he moved to Dubai. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

All right.

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Now, this is where this story begins. Okay. So while he was in Dubai, new city, new image, he rebranded himself and he launched something called Fentopia. Fintopia? Fintopia. Fentopia. F-I-N-T-O-P-I-O. Right okay, got it. So this was marketed as like some big cutting-edge crypto payment platform. And you know how everybody was into crypto right around COVID, right after 2020, and up until now, crypto this, crypto that, all kinds of crypto platforms, all kinds of crypto businesses, everything was crypto, right? So the way that his supposedly or allegedly stood out from the others is that it offered global fast transfers, freedom cross the border, and it was like big infintech, right? Financial technology. Okay, right. So he was pitching to all these major business people, entrepreneurs, investors, um, investment firms, all these people with money, that his Fantopia platform was the next evolution of money. And investors from all over the world bought into it. Investors from Russia, China, the Middle East, mainly because he was located in Dubai. Wealthy investors, private investors. He was convincing people to get in on his Phyntopia early because it was going to be the next big boom in crypto cryptocurrency and everybody's right. Got it. Okay. So according to reports, he could have raised as much as 400 to 500 million dollars, half a billion dollars or more. Okay. Okay. Got it. I'm with you. Bankman comes to mind because they get on and they talk about finance and money and crypto and how it's safe and it's deregulated and the blockchain, all kinds of stuff just to sell it, right? Right. He took the money, gave the illusion that he was really successful,

The Pitch, Hype, And Investor Buy-In

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luxury lifestyle, flying everywhere to go to business meetings, big talk, big connections, all this other kind of stuff, implied that he was in partnerships with some of the wealthiest tech business owners. And you know, you can deduce from that who that could have been, although it hasn't been verified or corroborated. So this is what he was telling his early investors. Okay. Okay. Any questions?

SPEAKER_00 6:17

So many, but continue.

SPEAKER_02 6:20

Okay. So while his business was growing, while he was scamming people out of all this money to put into his fantopia, right? Okay. I don't know if it's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 6:45

I don't know if they were going out talking to investors and getting people to invest money or anything like that. It did not go into detail on that part of it. Mostly everything that I found about him had more to do with what happened later in his scam. Okay. After his employees were getting paid, right? So there were instances where investors couldn't access their funds through his Phyntopia app. Okay. Right? So it was like their wallets were frozen. Well, he would give all types of excuses like, oh, sorry, there's issues with the platform, there's a few bugs, we're working on it, we're doing some technical upgrades, that kind of stuff. You know, there's some temporary restrictions, you know, until the money clears or whatever, whatever, whatever. Right? Right. And so this was going on for a while. People started getting suspicious, and then all of a sudden, nobody could get with it.

SPEAKER_00 7:47

Of course not. So they can't get their funds, they can't even check their accounts. Everything is just like a black hole so far. Basically.

SPEAKER_02 7:56

Basically. Okay. And these are people from Russia, China, all over the world, United States as well, Dubai, you know, and they're like, where's my money? Because they put in millions and millions of dollars.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_02 8:14

All right. So in October of 2025, okay, all right. There was someone that set up a business meeting with them, some kind of way they got in touch with them. Okay. Who wanted to adapt. Right. So Roman and his wife go to what is supposedly, and I'm saying business meeting in quotation marks. Okay in the UAE. Okay. Okay. So because this was a person under the rules that okay, we have a lot of money we want to

Frozen Wallets And Excuses Start

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invest in your fantopia, you have to follow our instructions because we don't want to make sure you're not being followed. And everybody knows. If you are wealthy, you don't brag about it, which a lot of people do, you don't put it on social media with all your fancy cars and private jets and mansions and all this other kind of stuff, right? Right. Him and his wife goes to this business meeting because they're thinking, oh, great, more money being invested into our scam. So along the way, they had a driver. They had to switch cars. Okay. Why? Because that was the instructions given to them. Oh, oh my goodness. Okay. And they were greedy enough, and even more greedy that they followed the instructions. They went into the desert. I think it's called the Hatta Desert region, somewhere in near Dubai in the UAE. Okay. They never came back.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

This just went totally not where I was expecting.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_00 10:06

So I was expecting like the feds or whatever the equivalent in Dubai is of the feds that they were being um, oh my gosh, like they were being caught, and it was like a sting operation.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

Okay, go on, go on. That's what I thought. I was like, okay, okay. Weren't they suspicious when these people are saying okay, you have to follow these instructions? And of course they're being lured by the money that these people say that they're going to invest. So these were like some really greedy, greedy, stupid mofos, right? So they disappeared. Nobody heard from them, nobody knew where they were. Nobody was like, well, they're not calling anybody or contacting anybody. So whoever was working for them or whoever their family members were, nobody knew what happened to them.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Quick question: were part of the instructions to leave their phones so they couldn't be tracked?

SPEAKER_02 11:12

It didn't go into detail. Okay. And I doubt it because I'm sure they needed their phones to contact the people that they were supposedly meeting. Okay. Unless whoever they were meeting when they met

The Desert “Meeting” And Disappearance

SPEAKER_02 11:26

them did something with their phones. At that point. Okay. At that point. Okay. Okay. So they were they just disappeared. Like just disappeared off the map. Did they have kids? They did have children. I'll find out that part toward the end. So of course, because of a disappearance of someone who allegedly scammed millions and millions and millions of dollars, and it's over there in Dubai, UAE. And of course, investors were Russian, you know, and Chinese investors. And of course, everybody wants their money back. People started investigating them. What happened to them? Where why where did they disappear to? Where's our money? Right? Right. Okay. So for months, nothing. Nobody could find out any information. Investigators, they hired private investigators and Russian investigators, Russian authorities, you know, the newspapers were all over it and talking about the disappearance and kidnapping of Roman Novak and his wife and everything.

SPEAKER_01 12:43

Wow.

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And so basically, everybody surmised, or at that point, started putting the pieces of the puzzle together and think like, well, they were kidnapped for all these millions and millions and millions of dollars that they scammed from people. Okay. Well, the kidnappers, I'm calling them kidnappers because that's how they were referred to them in the newspapers, tried to force Novak to hand over all the crypto funds that was held in the wallets and the accounts that was in his Fentopio app.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

So how do we know this?

SPEAKER_02 13:22

This is just what the investigators and the newspapers who I guess followed the story or tried to figure out and all this other kind of stuff. Okay. So supposedly the kidnappers, these investors that Roman and his wife were going to meet, and then they disappeared, and then the kidnappers was trying to get all of the money from their scam because they scammed a lot of people. So once the kidnappers realized that there was no money, they couldn't have access to the money. Roman didn't have the money. So I guess they got pissed. And so they killed Roman and his wife, dismembered them, cut their body parts into pieces, and buried them in various containers in the desert. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

So I was thinking your story might not be over, but my mind was telling me that it was one of their employees, but that doesn't make sense because they wouldn't have killed them, they would have kept them until they got their money. Um at least their pay and some of the

Kidnapping Theory And Murder Details

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stolen money. So it wasn't any employees, it was just just more greedy mofos killing other greedy mofos.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

It's greedy mofos killing greedy mofos, Roman, and because they thought he had all this money. So basically, according to all the news that was breaking in Russia and all the news that was breaking in international outlets, and because details came out where they were able to find and arrest several suspects, several came from St. Petersburg, one came from Kazakhstan. So they were detained and they've been facing charges ranging from murder to financial crimes and illegal money movements.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

So they have identified the murderers.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

They did find out who did it, they've detained suspects.

SPEAKER_00 15:44

Oh my.

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Remember, this happened after October of last year.

SPEAKER_00 15:52

Okay, so that's still being investigated. We're not in trial or anything.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

It didn't say anything about trials, it didn't say anything about trials, it's still under investigation. The news outlets are still trying to figure out what happened. Okay. Um so as far as once the bodies were discovered, or was it just all a big oosion and he just stole people's money? And what happened to it?

SPEAKER_00 16:26

So they've identified the bodies, like it's been like without a doubt, it's Roman and his wife in the desert.

SPEAKER_02 16:34

Oh, so it's not they've identified okay. How they found the bodies, it doesn't say. Um doesn't say anything about the driver who dropped them off when they switched cars. It doesn't say anything about that. Um there were there were Anna's father and Anna's stepmother went to Dubai after they disappeared to be with their children. And her child, their children are now orphans, so I guess they're being raised by their grandparents. They didn't go into details about that. How old were the kids? Were they little? Little kids? Didn't say. Okay, they were underage children. It took a while before the um relatives of Novak sounded the alarm after they went missing. Okay, and so that's when like the Russian and the UAE authorities launched the investigation, and that's when all the suspicions started coming out. Remember the ones where I say, you know, they suspected they were suspected of being kidnapped, and they were kind of lured to this desert location under false pretenses and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Okay, so who who um so when they disappeared, people started like, hey, they're missing, they're missing, and that's when the investigators got involved from all the different jurisdictions, right?

SPEAKER_02 18:09

Mostly into the disappearance. If they were being investigated for the whole fraud thing with the Fantopio app and all that kind of stuff, and

Suspects, Jurisdictions, And Ongoing Probe

SPEAKER_02 18:20

the investors not getting their money or having access to their money, they didn't go into details about that because it seemed like nobody really cared until they disappeared. Okay. I mean, the investors cared because they were losing money and they couldn't get their money, but they hadn't reported it, maybe. Yeah, and so it was like really, really, really suspicious. But because he's Russian and because he had ties to Russia, his investors were Russian, his investors were from China all over. I'm sure he had investors out of the United States as well, right? Dubai and everything. I mean, no telling what could have happened to them. I mean, it's not like we could trust those people to begin with. He messed with the wrong person. Well, yeah, he messed with the wrong people. I mean, but he was a fraudster from day one. He just got out of jail and just moved to a different country and started all over with a new scam.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

Crazy. Yeah, um, nobody would have thought that this particular scam, and as greedy as he was, because he was a greedy mofo, it would have ended in him being cut up into body parts and buried in the desert. Who would have thought of that?

SPEAKER_00 19:39

I would have thought he would have been the one to cut somebody up and bury to prevent him from being exposed. That's where I thought this was going.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Right. And his wife, I mean, why did his wife, you know, it's kind of like, why didn't she stay home? Unless the instructions, and it didn't say that he had to bring the wife with him, or maybe if it was a kidnapping, they were gonna use the wife as leverage. But according to some reports, and how people would know this, I don't know because they weren't there, is that he watched his wife get tortured and killed and then cut up, and then it was his turn, and he was tortured and killed and cut up. And I guess because he couldn't tell the people where the money was.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

Yeah, somebody's talking, it sounds like somebody knows something that and the investigators have that information. How would they know that?

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Well, I mean, if you've got private investigators, you got different authority groups from all over, and they're basically trying to find the money, but then they discover all this stuff that happened to him and his wife in the process, and it's kind of like, Well, how did you know to go look at all the deserts that's over there, all the desert space, miles and miles and miles of desert? How'd you know where their body was buried?

SPEAKER_00 21:07

So they were they weren't found

Where Is The Money And Can Crypto Be Traced

SPEAKER_00 21:10

randomly like by somebody in the desert, they were found like on a tip, or has to be some kind of tip if if they went out there knowing.

SPEAKER_02 21:20

They had like an area, so it was kind of they called it the HATA desert area, and so according and the newspapers were kind of reporting different things, and I was looking through all these international newspapers to get this information, and so they said the bodies were dismembered and left in containers near the Hatta shopping center, and then other reports said the bodies' parts were frozen in blocks of ice and ice chests spread out.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

There's no ice in the desert.

SPEAKER_02 21:58

Well, they could have been frozen in. Ice melted once they were buried in the desert. I mean, but I mean, so it was different reports. And the only people I feel sorry for right now are the children.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Of course. Yeah, those poor kids and the the parents who lost their children, you know, they had nothing to do with the fraud, like Roman and Anna's parents and family.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

So no so I feel sorry for the investors. I don't feel sorry for the investors. It's like, why would you even put millions of dollars into somebody who claims they have a new app in the already volatile cryptocurrency market? And he was from Russia and he was already in jail for fraud. You don't vet people before you invest your money. Don't people vet people anymore?

SPEAKER_00 22:50

You would think. I mean, back to what you said, doing your due diligence, they I mean, there's more that they could have done as investors to find out about who they're giving this much money to. It's not like you're handing them a hundred bucks, you know, you're handing them millions of dollars. And I mean, that I mean, that's bizarre to me. I don't hand over little bits of money, and I don't have millions to hand over, but if I did, I would be very careful.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

I know. And it's like, okay, so these are rich, rich, successful investors, people with millions and millions and millions of dollars, and common sense is like, okay, I'll give them 500,000 to see what happens, you know. Oh, okay, he tripled my money.

SPEAKER_00 23:43

Yeah, I yeah, it's I I have a hard time feeling sorry for them too.

SPEAKER_02 23:49

I that's just stupid. I'm sorry, that's just stupid.

SPEAKER_00 23:54

It is now if there were other investors that they preyed upon that weren't just wealthy millionaires and billionaires, now like elderly,

Due Diligence, Greed, And Investor Blunders

SPEAKER_00 24:05

if if they had any type of um indecency in that regard, I feel sorry for those investors, like you know, like the elderly parents of people, oh, you know, this a good deal, you know. Yeah, I feel sorry for them, but not but not not the bulk of the investors, if that's who it was, which it sounds like it was. And then for them because he gave this not reported.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yeah, he gave this persona that he was very wealthy and successful and rich, and they could trust them with their money, and he'll just make them more money, and of course, you know, and nobody can trace it because it's crypto, and this is the new fintech, and big, you know, be the first ones in, you know, and then for nobody to this day, for nobody to find half a billion dollars that he scammed from people, you know, so where's the money?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Well, a part of me just hopes that someone stole it and is using it. I mean, instead of it just being out in the cyber world, not I mean, not that there's any just justice there, but you know, that money, if it's like what happens to crypto? Is there it like say I have a wallet that's got I've never bought crypto, so I have no idea how this works. But say I bought a million dollars in crypto and it just sits there. I mean, what like like at a bank or a retirement or mutual funds or stocks, you've got like a beneficiary, you've got a payable on death clause, you've got some kind of safeguard that your money is not just sitting in some kind of wallet.

SPEAKER_02 26:01

So crypto does not, yeah, but if he developed the app and hires somebody to create the app, the Fantopio app, even the somebody should know it should be able to trace the money to to get in there, yeah. To get in there and get the money.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Yeah, and it seems like the financial crimes investigators would be able to trace it somehow by that. Like, I I don't know, is crypto completely at crypto?

SPEAKER_02 26:35

Yeah, but I mean with with all the hacks and cyber attacks and everything that's going on when it comes to the what people claim is safe with blockchain technology and all this other kind of stuff, technology is just way too advanced. Somebody either hacked into his system, took the money, kept quiet about it, and maybe he didn't even have access to it. We don't know. Nobody knows, but as of right now, nobody can find the half a billion dollars.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Oh my god, I hope somebody has it. Even if they're a criminal, I hope somebody has it and they're giving a little bit to charity, and I don't know. I I mean, I I mean, part of me.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

I would not be surprised if

Open Questions, Kids’ Fate, And Takeaways

SPEAKER_02 27:20

somebody in Russia might have it. I would not be surprised, and they're keeping quiet about it.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

And who knows because if if they're chopping up his wife, if they're chopping up his wife, and he's and then they're gonna come from him, he's gonna tell them exactly where it is. He's gonna preserve his own life for as long as possible. That's just human nature. If if they kill your wife in front of you and you know you're next, you're gonna give it up, and then they probably killed him anyway. So they they had to have gotten something from him. Maybe not all of it, but they got something from him.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

I would not be surprised, or at least a portion of it. Russian cyber criminals that probably hacked into his app or whatever, because I don't know who developed the app. He said he created and developed this app. I'm sure he hired people to do it because he wasn't a tech wizard, right? But this was just another scam, right? When crypto was really big and everybody was getting into all this, all this fintech. That's like that Sam Bankman guy. That's like everybody pushing. Oh, you know, put your money here. I can do this with it. And it's so easy to create fake websites and fake accounts and fake apps, and you just pull in the money.

SPEAKER_00 28:44

It's so easy. And then, you know, he it could have gone to his bank account and not not even have any crypto. It could have just gone to some bank account, and he got all the money and then wired it out immediately to some offshore account. And oh my god, my heart hurts for all that money. Well, I mean, having spent half a billion dollars, he would have to have so many assets like like yachts and houses and airplanes and maseratis, Lamborghinis, Ferraris. I don't even know if those are the most expensive cars.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Um, like and they haven't even and they didn't talk about that or go into any detail about that. I'm gonna have to still go into my into my um after episode deep dive and see what's going on and do my greedy mofos investigation. Maybe we can find the money. There you go. Maybe we can maybe we can find the money. I I I probably wouldn't get close to it because I don't want no Russians coming after me and no kidnapping.

SPEAKER_00 29:49

No way. A second I'm the least tech savvy person, so I would never be able to find it. I know that I can barely log into my bank account.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Um but that just helps to show as an investor, if you're a smart investor, you were greedy mofo for investing in his little Fentopia app and thinking that you were gonna make some money, and even more stupid that you didn't pull it out sooner instead of waiting until you couldn't access it and then you didn't hear from him.

SPEAKER_00 30:22

Well, I bet they would have I bet it wouldn't have mattered if they tried to get it out the next day. He already had it. He had his claws and their money, they weren't getting that back. Even even in 12 hours, they were not getting that money back because he but what I I'd like to know the timeline from the first investor to the last investor, how did this not get flagged magnified like uh as as quick as social media can spread? How did one person not say, Oh, Fintopia, they're scam, I don't have my money, and then one other person who invested

Wrap-Up And Listener Call For Tips

SPEAKER_00 31:10

what I mean, how did it not get you know out there in the world that this was a scam or that he was fraudulent?

SPEAKER_02 31:21

There's so much. Maybe maybe I don't I didn't look at his social media or if he had any social media presence at this point in time or even back then. And like I say, this just happened recently. This just happened since. Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:42

Well, the discovery of it, but if he started doing this after he got out of prison in October 2020, 21, or in 2020.

SPEAKER_02 31:50

Maybe 2022, because he was in prison for a few years. He had an early release.

SPEAKER_00 31:56

Okay, so three years, 22 to 25, that's enough for people to start missing their money. Just like Bernie Madoff, it would have started snowballing against him. He would have it would have started coming down wherever you are in the world. Social media is everywhere, especially if you had investors on a global level.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

And if you're bragging about it and and still getting more investors, and I'm like, don't investors talk to one another if they're investing? You know, it's like, where's this network of rich people and all their contacts and and everything?

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Yeah, how did one not say, no, no, no, don't do that? I lost, I lost two million bucks here. Don't invest with this guy. Because wealthy people can be pretty darn vocal if they're losing their money, yeah, unless he just pulled the wool over their eyes. Is that the right phrase? The wool over whatever that phrase is. Um, and oh, you know, like our system's down, we've got a glitch. And if does crypto do they provide monthly or quarterly statements like your investment account?

SPEAKER_02 33:12

I mean I know. I mean, there's too much common sense that people like us think about, and it's kind of like I'm sure wealthy people even probably think in more detail than we do, but it just seems like greed just greed just knocked out any common sense they had. Just being greedy and greedy and even more greedy, and it's like you deserve what you got. But the thing that really gets me, if you're this smart enough to pull off a scam of this scope, why can't you just run a legitimate business and make it a good thing? How did you get yourself murdered?

SPEAKER_00 33:52

Or I mean you've got enough money. How did you not have bodyguard? I mean, how did yeah, how did he fall for that?

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Like, like I mean You want me to drive to the desert and switch cars and do what and bring my wife?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Uh yeah, no.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

That's that's that's no. I'm telling this on a scale of one to ten, this is a hundred.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

I told you I know and come up with one that was gonna be gruesome and greedy and one of the most I hate to say, oh my gosh, this this one is pretty bad, but on a stupid level to get yourself and your wife killed like that, that's that's greedy and stupid is a hundred. Greed is I'm gonna just say a flat out 10 because our scale is one to ten. I'm not gonna go over on the greed scale. I'm just gonna say it's it's the highest, it's ten, but on the stupid scale, uh I'm gonna I'm gonna go way over on that one.

SPEAKER_02 35:03

Okay, I'm gonna say ten squared.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

10 squared is 10 squared squared for the for the for the stupid, the stupid and the greed. Yeah, I mean, oh my gosh, his poor wife. I wonder if she was a part of it, because for them to invite her or insist that she come out there with him, oh my goodness, this is bizarre.

SPEAKER_02 35:27

I know. I'm gonna keep following the story to see if they really find out what happened to the money, what happened to the money? Oh yeah, who actually killed them and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 35:38

The Ponzi scheme there, the Ponzi crypto Ponzi scheme. Uh I'm so confused.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

I'm so confused. It's it's bizarre and I'm flabbergasted that wealthy people are not smarter than me. This is like a movie that this is common sense. You don't invest in somebody that was in jail for fraud. I know starting a fintech company claiming he can make you millions upon millions of dollars. There had to be something else he was promising them and what he was saying to them. I don't know what kind of pitch deck he came up with because he did do a pitch deck. I don't know how he dressed, how he presented himself. He must have presented himself like he was the next Warren Buffett, something another, because people exactly through him, you know, and I'm just like, he was a criminal. Do your background check before you give him your money. Yeah. Well, there you go. I delivered on this one.

SPEAKER_00 36:48

You did, you did. It's it's like a movie, it's like a movie unfolding, and you don't get an ending to it. You don't get an ending to it. It's like one of those slip hanger movies. I don't know. I like clean endings, I like clean, clean endings where I don't want to.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

You know, so it's not a documentary.

SPEAKER_00 37:12

We're we're gonna fictionalize it. Inspired by and embellished upon.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

All right. Well, that was a pretty good one. I think that was a really good one.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

That that was a great case. That was a great story.

SPEAKER_02 37:24

So many greedy mofos in this one. I wish to and I tried to find the names. I tried to find the names of the investors. I did, I couldn't find them anywhere, and they didn't list any names of anybody that invested.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Well, a greedy mofo that gets himself murdered. I just I uh it it's kind of comical.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

I mean, that's not, but no, it is kind of it, it is.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

It's it's like a a a Tarantino movie.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

Yeah, like yep, that was a good one. That was a good one. All right, so next week is your episode. I hope you have just as good a one.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Um you know what? I I'm gonna really try. It's gonna be tough because this one is just bizarre. But I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try to talk this one.

SPEAKER_02 38:17

Okay, it'll be good. It'll be good.

SPEAKER_00 38:20

Okay, fan. Well, if anybody knows, if anybody out there listening to Greedy Buffos knows about this story and has some resources, uh email us that's info at oneone21.com because we are humble enough to say we just don't know, and we need your help, and we want your help, and we want some we want the tea. We want the tea.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Yes, we do, yes, we do. And be sure and follow us on our Facebook page for the greeting moasts at our 1121 Facebook page, our podcast, and we will kind of be expanding some stuff. We love emails, we love questions, we love ideas, and also on Instagram at 1121 as well. Okie dokie.

SPEAKER_00 39:19

Well asked then, have a great night.

SPEAKER_02 39:23

You too, you too, until next time. Don't fall for any greedy mofo scams out there.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

Don't get yourself murdered being a greedy mofo, and just don't be a greedy mofo.

SPEAKER_02 39:37

Don't be a greedy mofo. Okay. Alright, have a good evening. Good night. Bye.